Al Campanis Racist Remarks on Nightline (April 6, 1987)
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- Coinciding with the 40th anniversary of Jackie Robinson's Major League Baseball debut (April 15, 1947). Campanis, who had played alongside Robinson and was known for being close to him, was being interviewed about the subject. Nightline anchorman Ted Koppel asked him why, at the time, there had been few black managers and no black general managers in Major League Baseball. Campanis' reply was that blacks "may not have some of the necessities to be, let's say, a field manager, or, perhaps, a general manager" for these positions. Elsewhere in the interview he said that blacks are often poor swimmers "because they don't have the buoyancy." Koppel says he gave Campanis several opportunities to clarify ("Do you really believe that?") or back down on his remarks but Campanis confirmed his views with his replies. A protest erupted the next morning and he resigned two days later
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He could have turned it around on him and asked the same about network TV news anchors, station owners and CEO's in 1987.
He did
it was actually refreshing to get an answer rather than more whataboutisms
Exactly
Racism would’ve been the answer there, too, bud
I mean not really. Deflecting isn't a valid response.
That explains why Phelps is a legend: buoyancy
Even with 2% body fat, means his bones are lighter weight.
Phelps and Cullen are great, but its not like there are a lot of black swimmers. Just because there aren't.
@@davidlindsay9564 it is science on why whites swim better , and blacks run faster
You made me shoot coffee out my nose
Michael Phelps: Celebrated Black Athlete
The last comment on swimming 😂 I’m crying laughing, he thought that would be the best answer 😂😂😂
It’s true though.
I don’t know , have you ever been to a public pool in the middle of the summer, blacks take it over
The cryptic, yet obvious racism from trump supporters is getting old
@@chadlebato7943yea take over the hell out of that shallow end lollllll
@@johnpeterson9266look up Anthony Nesty and have yourself a nice fucking day😊
he brought up the black swimmers thing lol
😂
Haha so funny! Except he's right. You don't top tier black olympian swimmers and it's not because of racism you idiots it's because of biology. Black people have denser bones and therefore aren't as buoyant and have to work harder to keep afloat. But no, any mention of differences between races means you're racist. Fuck off.
As a black man myself when asked why I don't swim, I simply answer, "It's a buoyancy thang!"🤣
what
As a white guy, I was hoping a black dude would say that for me. 😂
I’ve never thought that the swimming bit had anything to do with buoyancy. Kinda makes sense if you have super low body fat you sink
@@kakimotoK20A fatter body sinks faster. Buoyancy is air in the lungs. Since black people have larger lungs, theoretically they should sink slower.
@@DustyTailHe’s no black dude. Don’t fall for the stupidity. Makes you look stupid yourself.
He played in the era when Jackie Robinson broke into the league. Most players had this mentality back then. No surprise.
He was Jackie Robinson's roommate.
@@dbag3345 Absolutely nobody had a closer view of what Jackie Robinson went through and the resolve it required to be the first Black major league player. To think the media actually successfully manufactured and applied a racist persona to his character is appalling and disturbing
@@TheOtherBradBird I don’t know how Jackie maintained it all those years. Knowing he can’t retaliate or he will be banned. Knowing he couldn’t say anything to hecklers or other players on the other team. He may be dead, but he forever has my respect.
@@AccountTermed Absolutely agreed.
@@AccountTermed That was just the first 2 years, after that he could do whatever. He did some, but not much. And he wouldn't have been banned, it would have just played into what racist thought. Jackie and Branch Rickey SAW the big picture, there is a reason that Jackie was first. Just like there is a reason Rosa was first. If it had been Satchel Paige or whoever, they wold have set the cause back.
More interesting is Ted’s hair
lol always THOUGHT he has a WEIRD head too, lol, face
To paraphrase: "No, it's not prejudice. I just feel they aren't smart enough."
wow.
No, thats not paraphrasing. He said necessities, he meant inclination. Why aren't Eskimos rappers?, they don't have the inclination, (inclination is a necessity btw.)
@@davidlindsay9564That's not at all what he meant. Stop with that.
@@Rob774lol? How is that not what he meant. And answer his question where all the Eskimo rappers at
@@Rob774 His entire history suggest that is what he meant, the guy was there when it counted and has no racist history in his past.
@@davidlindsay9564 Ah... the "I have a black friend" defense. I tend to take a person's ACTUAL words face value. He meant LITERALLY what he said. Don't twist yourself up in knots trying to defend him.
Ted Kopple baited him and he took the bait.
Ted knew he was a racist and did his job outing him.
Kopple is a jerkoff. Elitist asshole. How come there were no black TV hosts back then? No one asks these questions. Just beat up and old guy who came from a different era. Baseball is based on skill NOT color. So I guess whites should cry that there is not enough whites on the basketball team. PUHLEEESE. See how ridiculous it sounds?
@Paul Kryder lemme guess.. your a SJW?
@Paul Kryder thats me! I refuse to change. Deal with it. Imagine if we were all alike? No thx.
Niceeee
As a Dodger fan: This interview was disgraceful for sports, but GREAT for the Dodgers. Why? Because the Dodgers fired Campanis the next day and replaced him with Fred Claire, who brought in Kirk Gibson, John Tudor, Alfredo Griffin, Jay Howell, Jesse Orosco, John Shelby, Dave Anderson, Mickey Hatcher and others. This interview helped build our '88 World Championship team. w00t!
History is BEAUTIFUL......like BASEBALL
It wasn’t racist he was absolutely correct!
Aka the owner was just as racist
@@pureluck8767funny how you listen to music mostly from black artists and still side with a bigot from the 80s
@@pureluck8767 Or just maybe you're a racist, too - you ever think of that?
"I'm not racist I know a black guy". 😂😂😂
From 40 years ago 😂
A couple of em
Al Campanis wasn't a racist. He was just telling it like it was.
@@RobbieStacks90 Do you think those were appropriate comments to make?
@@bobbyc1701he never once said he hated or disliked black people. He just said prove your worth in the minors first but liberals always want shortcuts. The swimming crap was obv a joke.
I respect Koppel for this interview, he didn't put up with skirting around the issue and called Campanis out on his racist bullshit
piss off. Who was right there in the trenches when racism was really racism? Who was there taking the bottles to the head that were thrown at Jackie? Al was, he was his room mate and closest friend. If Jackie were alive he'd defend Al, his family did. So STFU you twit.
From another comment.... "Al was teammate, roommate and friend of Jackie Robinson himself while they were in AAA. He was the first Major League player to accept and welcome Jackie as he broke the color barrier. He abdicated his traditional position at second base so Jackie could play at his natural position and prepare to break into the majors - sacrificing his own ticket back to the show in the process. Al recorded more errors in '46 while playing out of position than any other point in his career, all so Jackie could play second base in the Majors. A pure act of self-sacrifice, no other person in the country had more incentive to see Jackie Robinson fail, but he sacrificed it all instead.
This was only the first among many Black and Latino players that Al personally risked or sacrificed his career to support"
@@davidlindsay9564 Spot. On.
@@peteshrake People today annoy me, like they are fit to judge people from the past by today's standards?. Easy to say "If I'd been around back then I wouldn't have done that" when there is no way you will ever have to be in that situation. It's like saying "if I'd been around a million years ago, I'd have discovered fire". Half the people who virtue signal now about how they would have handled things 200 years ago are the very people who would be the ones most likely to be cracking a whip back then. Nothing is more annoying than someone with an Iphone acting morally superior to Thomas Jefferson or Al Campanis or whoever. If they had been in Al's shoes as soon as the first bottle got thrown at them they would have cowered in fear and said "sorry Jackie, you are on your own" and run off.
@@davidlindsay9564 Well said. I try to remember that if I’d been around when Jesus lived, 99% I would’ve been one of the doubters!
"They don't have buoyancy " wtf?!! Lol
It's true, look it up.
that might be true, ever see Joe Frazier try to swim?
Orlando Molina It makes white people like me ;embarrassed by this dope
LOL. That’s like some medieval shit right there. Like believing witches float. Buoyancy. LOL
@@ennevudoppioo9763 Because physics applies exclusively to some races?
I remember watching this when I was 17 years old and thinking “Wow, I’m witnessing this guy sabotaging his career.” Only line he made that was accurate was “You have to pay your dues when you become a manager.”
I'm a Black man and I'm like *"DUDE PLEASE BE QUIET!! YOU ARE RUINING YOUR CAREER WITH EACH PASSING WORD"*
Goes to show I don't want him to lose his job but he bought it on himself..
@@kenrickeason yep, exactly, but even Ted Koppel was trying to give him a chance to redeem himself by cutting to commercials, and he still messed that up
Black folk arent know for their swimming skills tho are they?
And the fact that many black people cant swim. I know so many who cannot. Not racist. Just seems to be true.
@@TheYamahog12 The racist part is that they really don’t have the opportunity to learn. They don’t have access to camps, country clubs, private pools, etc. Some luckier ones might have a local community pool but someone has to teach lessons and those are usually expensive. The parents never learned so they can’t teach the kids. It’s a continuous cycle.
If he would have just simply said "I really don't have a good answer for that." That question would have been squashed, but he didnt. he dug himself soo far deep that he was halfway to the other side of the world.
He literally did say that at first. He shoulda stuck to it, but he was pressed and caved
Via his wikipedia:
“Two months after the episode aired, Major League Baseball hired sociologist and civil right activist Harry Edwards to begin a diversity-increasing initiative among leadership in the sport. Edwards stated later that one of the first people to call him was Campanis, who asked how he could help and that if his comments opened the door for help, then "it was worth it."
In an interview the next year, Campanis attempted to clarify that he was referring to the lack of African-Americans with experience in these areas, rather than their innate abilities. He also said that he was "wiped out" when the interview took place and therefore not entirely himself. Many other figures in baseball, such as Lasorda and African-American and Latin players who played for the Dodgers, have also spoken in Campanis's defense”
This DEFINITELY doesn’t excuse his comments but I don’t think this kind of dialogue comes from a place of genuine hate. He’s just so misguided and came up in a world where racist stereotypes were pretty much accepted as fact.
It’s really sad to see and when it’s THAT integrated into how you think the world works its impossible for people to not think you hate minorities. As time goes the reality of the insignificance of race is starting to settle in, but we have a long way to go
Sounds like that does excuse his comments.
@@pauljimenez2799"Doesn't"
gayyyyyy
blah blah blah.
Lmao wiped out my ass. He said the words with a clear mind.
why don't these people ask the nba why there is no representation for short indians, and if it's racism as well?
"short Indians" 😂😂😂😂😂
Who else is here from five points vids
Me haha
yea same, was honestly expecting something a whole lot worse.
Could have asked Koppel why there were not late night TV journalists in his type of job
Exactly! Everyone on here praising Koppel, would have loved for him to have been asked how come there's never been a black anchor on any major network during nightly news and that still exists today in 2023, would have loved to hear his reply, damn!
LMAO xDDD
I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have said that black people lack the "necessities" to succeed in news broadcasting like this racist dipshit did
@@Gregory-sm9pfLester Holt, Joy Reed, Don Lemon, all have led prime time nightly news programs in recent years (though Lemon was let go for being terrible)
@@Gregory-sm9pf Because of a lack of opportunity and representation. Not a lot of Black kids back then trying to be journalists. Now after a fair enough shake and more interest, there are Black newscasters every where.
Typical misinformed boomer response. Always with the "well what about..." response rather than looking at an issue for what it clearly is. "What about this, what about that?" Just acknowledge the issue instead of constantly trying to deflect. This is why younger people, after listening to boomer nonsense on any given issue, respond with "Ok boomer" and then walk away...because it's just not worth wasting time and energy trying to get boomers to acknowledge reality.
I remember this first hand, and the very next day the Dodgers organization fired him, but what amazes me is that it seems like more people were mad at Ted Koppel for asking the questions, than with Al Campanis for giving out stupid answers
His answers were fine. The thing is, Ted Koppel should be asking himself the same questions about his high position as a newscaster.
Well Ted Koppel can defend himself because there were black newscasters back then, but Al Campanis answer was embarrassing for some men who shared the same opinion about black people back then, and that's why they fired him
@@da9618Name the ones that were hosting National news shows.
@@wfk3rd Max Robinson, Carol Simpson, Michelle Clark, Sue Simmons and Bryant Gumble just to name a few, and there's more but can't remember all of them
@@binka21 You had Max Robinson, Ed Bradley, Connie Chug and Bryan Gumbal back then but I get your point.
oh, man... i'm gonna resign just watching this...
other than his last remark about blacks and swimming as a black man i find it very hard to see what he said that was so wrong.. he has a right to feel and believe what he wants... and i find it hard to find him as being a racist... just my opinion...
I personally found it all to be garbage except for the swimming remark. There have been many studies showing that due to higher bone density in blacks they on average have a harder time swimming. David Goggins talked about this a lot in his book. Stating that it was very difficult for him to become a Navy SEAL because he sank like a rock.
Black democrats have let america down so everything he said is accurate.
@@lucasfilmfan rockfish
Maybe in hindsight he should of said ‘I don’t know’ to this question
When pressed, Campanis should of just said "Mr. Koppel you'll have to ask the league owners" and kept quiet....
Rob High, it’s been a while...but him keeping quiet on his racist views wouldn’t have changed them, nor would that have brought light to the reality that he held a position of power in baseball that negatively affected people who deserved equal opportunity and did not get it. Take care.
@@mebeingU2 He was referring to fact that he did himself a grand disservice by talking. Now the world knows he's stupid 😂😂
@@mebeingU2 Yeah some racist, when racism was really racism, who was there in the trenches taking the bottles to the head being thrown at Jackie? His room mate and close friend Al. You know nothing. Al was there when it counted most, and old people use terms that are from a bygone era, but he has no malice in his heart.
@@davidlindsay9564 , what an interesting post. Almost nostalgic…when racism was really racism?? I will assume you mean when POC were hung for looking at white women, or when POC could not vote or attend public universities. I do agree that that level of overt racial discrimination has been thankfully extinguished from our society. I find it interesting that you speak of what was in another man’s heart. That’s quite a talent. I prefer to rely on what comes out of a man’s mouth. What he said on national TV, not in the 50s or 60s, but in the mid-80s was racist. AI’s experiences with Jackie, according to you, apparently were not strong enough for him to understand that the color of someone’s skin does not determine whether they can manage a baseball team or swim (which he also said that night). Note that I did not tell you, you know nothing. I prefer to debate facts, not sink to the ignorance of name calling. How about you?
@@mebeingU2 Nostalgic? piss off. yes when "racism was really racism", is when sticking your neck out like Al did meant something, it counted. Not some twit wearing a BLM shirt he bought off Amazon to make himself feel like he is doing something. "When racism was really racism" was far before my time. POC were hung for looking at a white woman?. Was this a law to do that?, no it was a crime, was it not? Besides Emmitt Till name some specific cases where that happened. Did things like that happen?, sure. that was not the norm. You know how long you could vote in Mass if you were black? ALWAYS. There were black congressmen in the 1870s. There were men who were slaves and 5 years later were in congress. BTW,Nearly a THIRD of the Klans lynching victims were white, and it would have been higher but its a little bit harder to ID those who are the allies of POC than just POC. Couldn't attend the Universities?, Just like white people were banned from Tuskegee? 95% of Americans couldn't attend Universities either for a variety of reasons. Its obvious by all accounts what Al was like, ask Jackie Robinson's family. Read a book, a book. "I prefer to rely on what comes out of a man's mouth". Yeah, in one interview on TV. Of course, you are judging Al by a one time comment on a TV show, Wouldn't want to actually do some research on the man himself, do you know WHAT he did for Jackie? Do you know what sacrifices HE made? Would you give up your chance to go to the major leagues, for the greater good? Would you change positions and set your prime years of a career back, and possibly forgo Hall of Fame status? and for what?, just for some SJW to watch a 5 minute interview and label you a racist 60 plus years later?Actions speak loader than words dickhead. YOU are judging what he said and taking nothing into account. He didn't mean blacks aren't capable, he meant they don't seem so inclined, do you know a lot of Jewish Sumo Wrestlers? Italian Surfers? Eskimo Rappers? Now if I was to say they don't seem to have the "capacity" to do so, It's not saying a Jewish person CAN'T or isn't capable of being a Sumo wrestler, but that Jews don't seem up for that. Al mis-spoke, and likely meant not capability but inclination. He didn't say "they can't swim" he was talking about buoyancy, that's just science. its like what Jimmy the Greek said, (which was just genetics) and that's the SAME thing Michael Johnson said, (but Jimmy was labeled racist, but Johnson wasn't.) HEY, was there a commercial break during this broadcast for the movie "White Men Can't Jump" ? You know because as you said "the color of someone’s skin does not determine whether...."...they can jump?, or whatever. So that would be racist to call a movie that. Of course you didn't tell me I don't know anything, because clearly, I do, and you do not. Don't be a snob looking down upon a man who did more for the cause against racism than you will ever do, and call him racist for using language from a bygone era, or poor word choice, just because you stumbled upon a youtube video? BTW when was the last time you had a black person over your house for dinner? You ever dated a black girl? When you are in your mid 70s and someone digs out your comments or you say "people of color" in public I hope you get ripped for being a racist for using what will likely be seen a derogatory term by then, as that's the ways things change across time. I hope that defines you and your entire life.
Al Campanis was proved wrong. Since he passed away, the Dodgers has a black manager, and yes, there was a woman by the name of Simone Manuel who won a gold medal in swimming at the Olympic Games today, August 11, 2016. Campanis was proved wrong.
What? Don't forget abut Doug Williams, Donavan McNabb, Steve Air McNair, and Russell Wilson all making to the Superbowl as black QBs, two of them winning the game. Let's not forget about Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlinson and Lovey Green making to the SUperbowl as Head coaches...TWO of them winning the game. Lets not forget about Bill TRUssel being the first person to win an NBA championship as player coach. Or lets not forget about KC jones, the black head coach of the Boston Celtics who won several championships. Those last two Campanis should have known about. ANd don't get me started on Homerun kings for Venus and Serena or Tiger Woods, or African American women becoming the best female gymnasts in the world. Campanis was, in addition to being very racist, an extremely stupid man.
But if every position was filled by a black person to the point of 100% black, liberals like you would never say "let's get whites in there". In other words, your crusade for diversity or inclusion is really just getting rid of all white people.
Boston Patriot oh so it’s a liberal thing lmao your nuts
@@jamesdipinto5076 Your comment reminds me of one of my then favorite boxers, Bernard Hopkins who said, "can't no white boy whoop me". Imagine the ruckus if a white fighter had said this. Not long after that, Joe Calzaghe the Welsh-Italian boxer beat the snot out of him.
so what? He just said people are inclined toward different areas. You know of a Jewish Sumo wrestler?
_the two options on Al Campanis' drop-down menu:_
"It's an Old-Boy's Network; you know that, Ted. There's still people out there who have an issue with Black players!"
"It's because they lack the necessities to be managers, or field managers."
Midway through you could see him thinking, "what did I just get myself into." LOL.
"I don't believe it's prejudice"; then goes on to say something horribly racist
Mr Green! Kreighton! You There? Or Over...There? Buoyancy has Notin to do with Race or Abilities. The focus should be directed on "I have to Know & Understand How to do this...Or I WILL Die! That is Harder than it appears. You arrive at a large indoor Pool with 200 Men of All Races! Fact: the Navy instructors ask, Who's from California? Why? Because we Know how to Smoke Pot? No! Because all but One of the 50 Already Knew how to swim! Gradually Others gain Confidence through Positive AND Negative reinforces. Mine was Life! HOWEVER...I Began to witness Black Men from...IDK, Chicago! They would fearlessly-cautiously meander towards the edge of the Pool. IDK if it was by Design, The Instructor's Selections or God wanted to show some Humor. 8-10 Grown Black Men dove awkwardly hands-feet first right into their faces...Blam! I Never saw one hand even! Nor a splash from a Foot! No I witnessed a dozen people SINK Like an ANCHOR! And I "HAD" (Assigned) dive into the 10 foot deep end and bring this guy UP! IDK if you have EVER tried. But retrieving a Panicked Person (who in the drowning process) wants to do EVERYTHING to stay above the water...Even if it means Above You...The rescuer, who almost becomes the 2nd Victim! I will not say it. But it was the most Pathetic Experience that could have had Deadly consequences! Looking Back all I remember seeing was these men DOWN, DEEP in the light blue pool water and their darken yet Ashen Fear Based Bodies lying on the Very Bottom of the Pool! NO! Rocks and Some Humans do Not have Any Buoyancy!
Wzystko Cokham And conforming to being an IDIOT or a Genius Played No Determining Role on One's abilities to Navigate ON TOP of the POOL Water! Dam!
@MAGA Joker No. 0:33
for all you know Jackie told him that was why.
“Horribly”?!?!
And then 5 years later, a not American franchise with a black manager won the world series.
And no black manager one has won since, 27 years later. Campanis was an idiot, but you are alleging a fact of a guy winning once as your argument without understanding that the overall history of managerial success in terms of WS wins, is actually very low.
His 1st response made perfect sense. From then on his responses were just made out of ignorance. He's talking about swimming, but clearly I can see he is drowning.
He was being as polite and honest as he could be. He even said he didn't consider race as a thing when he played. Ted Koppel should be asking himself why there were no black tv news anchors back then on national tv. I don't remember any. Do you?
Ted Koppels a fink. He knew what he was doing. His bosses were pressuring him to seek out or create racial tension. He's playing the liberal game, fanning the flames, typical divide and conquer BS.
He blind sided this poor man with a bunch of racial politics crap, stuff having NOTHING to do with sports.
Ask Joe Frazier on "Battle of the Network Stars"--glub,glub.
@@binka21you clown, he was being polite and as honest as he could be -> cos he was on fking television. The reporter helped us see the real side of the trash coming out of his mouth.
Ted wasn't going to stop until he baited Al into a controversial answer.
drakg002 who’s fault is it for taking the bait? A non-racist person wouldn’t say such ridiculous things no matter how much they were baited. Buoyancy! LOL. Pretty sure I wouldn’t come up with that one
I'm amazed at how white people will always blame others whenever people with terrible views are pressed in to telling their truth. No one 'baits' you in to saying something. You say it because you want to say it.
@@LalisasToxicHusband piss off.... Al was teammate, roommate and friend of Jackie Robinson himself while they were in AAA. He was the first Major League player to accept and welcome Jackie as he broke the color barrier. He abdicated his traditional position at second base so Jackie could play at his natural position and prepare to break into the majors - sacrificing his own ticket back to the show in the process. Al recorded more errors in '46 while playing out of position than any other point in his career, all so Jackie could play second base in the Majors. A pure act of self-sacrifice, no other person in the country had more incentive to see Jackie Robinson fail, but he sacrificed it all instead.
This was only the first among many Black and Latino players that Al personally risked or sacrificed his career to support
@@manuginobilisbaldspot424 "their truth" you want Al's truth? Al was teammate, roommate and friend of Jackie Robinson himself while they were in AAA. He was the first Major League player to accept and welcome Jackie as he broke the color barrier. He abdicated his traditional position at second base so Jackie could play at his natural position and prepare to break into the majors - sacrificing his own ticket back to the show in the process. Al recorded more errors in '46 while playing out of position than any other point in his career, all so Jackie could play second base in the Majors. A pure act of self-sacrifice, no other person in the country had more incentive to see Jackie Robinson fail, but he sacrificed it all instead.
This was only the first among many Black and Latino players that Al personally risked or sacrificed his career to support
@manuginobilisbaldspot424 yeah and ur the pot calling the kettle black.Wah wah wah as usual.Typical.
This is a perfect example of a man saying everything that pops into his head without any consideration. You can even hear his thoughts interrupting other thoughts.
Once you say it out loud, it becomes real.
1 white person has started at CB in the NFL since 2004
@@squarecrackercool
@@squarecrackerokay so
@@wilthomas so maybe there actually are difference and may any time there is a disparity maybe it's not a priori evidence of racism
@@squarecracker so, essentially, you
Believe what he said; that black people usually don’t have the assets or what it takes to land one of those major league jobs
Way to go.
There have only been 11 black Senators in Congress and they were mostly interracial.
Back when we had REAL news anchors who were not controlled, Ted Koppel. 👏🏾 👏🏾
It's true. I used to go swimming with my black friends and they just sank to the bottom because of a lack of buoyancy. The white man is just more buoyant. (Disclaimer: I am joking)
@Arson Hakobyan You show a stunning ignorance young man, over time you will come to realize how wrong those thoughts are and why they make no sense...if you change now you will miss out on a lifetime of mindless anger and or resentment...and didn't you notice Campanis smurking...come on
@Arson Hakobyan he basically said blacks dont have the aptitude for managerial jobs. Wtf is wrong with you.
@Arson Hakobyan lol now your trying to straw man me with this weak defense. Your analogy is terrible and being a better running back has nothing to do with with being smart enough to manage a team. Your basically stating what Jimmy "the Greek" said which wasn't overtly racist but not at all the same discussion.
@Arson Hakobyan Jesus Christ that's a lot to unpack. Look I'm not trying to vilify Campanis but the fact remains, what he said in that interview was racist. If you have an issue with your heros making poor decisions now or then, that's something you need to deal with internally because excusing even good people's bad actions is dangerous.
If someone really had to tell you Bill O'Reilly (who you call a moderate, lol) was racist than I already question your integrity in having this discussion.
@Arson Hakobyan your right the interview was awkward but Koppel set em up and knocked em down. Saying something racist doesnt make you a bad person. Saying something true but could be construed as inflammatory doesn't make you racist. Also someone you feel was or is a good person should and can change by their history and actions even from their past. I could have looked up to Bill Cosby or OJ Simpson but their actions changed my thoughts.
I think the issue here is perception. Your discrediting Koppel's interview but if Koppel feels that minority inclusion into coaching ranks are unfair and his guest makes a racist and inflammatory comment, even though he's not black, can he not be offended? That's one issue many have with Trump and his remarks on race. Many of his supporters are not racist but many minorities are hurt because it's just not a deal breaker to white conservatives.
Racism may not be a deal breaker to you but when Italians were treated as second class citizens in America it probably would have meant more in that time but fortunately for Italians and Irish, being fair skinned allowed them to assimilate into white America. Italians have walked in the same shoes, persecuted even but many Italians have forgotton those struggles in America and it's a shame.
Ted kept digging and the true Al came out.
@Arson Hakobyan Koppel was digging for prejudice, highly suggestive. What a piece of crap.
@Arson Hakobyan I feel like, you're a fucking idiot. Especially since the context of the fucking interview was how it was 40 years after Jackie Robinson had integrated baseball and it was still lacking in opportunities for black people in the game. Imagine if I took someone Turkish out of context about say, the Armenian genocide, and instead of just saying "it was abhorrent, and wrong" I blamed the interviewer for asking the questions. GTFOH man.
@Arson Hakobyan The reality is, you don't care about what black people have gone through...and that's fine. But what you should do for future reference is STFU until you know exactly what you're talking about so as to not appear completely ignorant like you do now.
@@RogueMamaStitcher1 He was asking questions based on the FACT that 40 years after Jackie Robinson had integrated the game, there had been no movement in executive and even managerial opportunities in baseball. And Campanis was in a position as an executive with the DODGERS, the very team that signed Robinson, to do something about that. Instead, he went out of his way to reveal the kind of thinking that white executives held against black people. And instead of doing any kind of research or maybe watching the whole video, your first instinct is to blame Ted Koppel. Fuck you. And thank you, for telling me exactly how you obviously feel about these kinds of issues.
@Arson Hakobyan Ted Koppel is a Chosenite, so is the man on the panel, Roger Kahn...anytime someone isn't explicitly anti-White, when interviewed on television, they gang up on him with either a liberal White woman, a Black, or a Jew...it's basically a form of journalistic pickpocketing...
I love how in one breath he says "I never noticed the difference between me and the Black players I played with", and in the same breath states his perceived differences that Blacks don't have the necessities to be managers, QBs, general managers, or swimmers....tragic comedy in its' truest sense.
With swimming, the high muscularity actually makes swimming harder. Fat floats more easily and if you're really muscular or with low body fat, you will not float as well.
He should have just said why don't you have any black broadcasters.
Right in the face!
Sounds about White
That woulda been epic, especially given the smugness of this news anchor
Racist
Thats the Trump way, ask" what about" whenever cornered
Ah, the joys of growing up in the '80s ..
It was the best
It’s all different now huh. Sorry 🤷🏽♂️
don't worry, the media is doing their best to make white people feel bad about being white and blacks who are not qualified to do jobs are getting them now. so what more could you ask for?
I actually didn't hear anything definitively racist. Who can say with 100% certainty exactly what he meant by "necessities." Could he have meant "prerequisites"??
Those positions are more mental than physical.
I was on the swim team in high school. This black guy tried out. He jumped in the deep end and sank immediately to the drain at the bottom of the pool. I had to save him.
That’s racist!
I will take things that never happen for 1000 Alex!
@@tschantzso what black people say white people can't jump, white folks say black people. Fact is most don't want to.
Campanis ended it all with his answer.
Who owns the sports teams?
Can we PLEASE understand the difference between racist and bigoted. This was bigoted. Not racist. Racism is the act of declaring one race as being superior over another. Bigotry is the act of disparaging a person or person's based solely on race. You can be bigoted (and we all have been) without being racist. Words and their definitions matter. Shalom.
Ted handled himself very well up till the last line about blacks not being good swimmers bc they don't have access to country clubs...what a crock! 10s of millions of Americans have never set foot in a country club and swim just fine. Assuming this is even an issue, if it is, it ain't for lack of access to 'country clubs'.
I learned to swim in the LI Sound. And it wasn't segregated.
Wow the fact you ignore the buoyancy comment but mention the country clubs is hypocrisy at its finest.
Koppel also said 'Pools' and that most definitely is an issue. There are very few swimming facilities in black neighborhoods especially in the urban areas.
Country clubs and pools???? Haha. He’s saying all White have that access. Lol
Way back in the day the blacks had their own leagues, Hispanics had their own leagues, whites had their own leagues, and everybody was happy.
Modern Sports is another good example as to why Multiculturalism does not work.
Campanis did allude to the major issue, which was that there were not many blacks on the career track for becoming an MLB manager. That’s historically been a problem in football as well, and something that has only changed in the last decade or so. There is an even smaller pool to draw from for baseball management/coaching.
Supposedly, Al was not good with wording and phrasing, which would explain why he was having difficulty explaining why he believed there weren't any black managers/GMs.
Isn’t it sad that we don’t have journalists anymore who ask probing questions or properly challenge their guests? If Koppel didn’t ask the questions he did, Campanis would have never revealed himself for who he was.
Who are you to judge a man from 40 years ago GTFOH idiot.
You are NOBODY and don't forget that.
Koppel should be asking himself the same question about journalists. Not too many black ones come to mind. Perhaps you know of some?
Koppel was going to go to commercial when he smelled blood and turned an interview into a hatchet job. Nasty, nasty move by an egomaniac poor reporter
if ted was asking me those type questions then i would turn it around on him and ask him why its not a black reporter being paid to ask me those questions but its just another highly paid white reporter taking a job away from a black man .
@@lancecampbell4323it’s not a hatchet job if you’re just showing someone’s true colors.
It’s always the blacks. Where are the Hispanic managers, owners?
I watched this live and I knew as he was saying this that he was in trouble when he said the part at the :55 mark about not having the necessities. The more he talked the more he was in deeper. I am white and I was astounded at what he said. Those are comments I would not have made. I would have just said, "The day will come when they will be managers. And that day should be soon." Cito Gaston of the Blue Jays was named manager just 2 years later. When it comes to anything racial, be careful.
His family came out in his defense and said the typical thing "he is not racist, he has black friends" oh....ok.
@@MrNando7986 He's not racist. Never was. Al was teammate, roommate and friend of Jackie Robinson himself while they were in AAA. He was the first Major League player to accept and welcome Jackie as he broke the color barrier. He abdicated his traditional position at second base so Jackie could play at his natural position and prepare to break into the majors - sacrificing his own ticket back to the show in the process. Al recorded more errors in '46 while playing out of position than any other point in his career, all so Jackie could play second base in the Majors. A pure act of self-sacrifice, no other person in the country had more incentive to see Jackie Robinson fail, but he sacrificed it all instead.
This was only the first among many Black and Latino players that Al personally risked or sacrificed his career to support. One slanted and hostile interview conducted by a hypocrite vulture is enough to erase that, apparently.
@@MrNando7986 Well if someone is racist, they wouldn't have black friends would they? You know who elses familt came out and defended him? Jackies.
Wasn't Frank Robinson a manager BEFORE Cito?
@@brotherfugue yes.
And to think Campanis was employed by the same organization that brought Jackie Robinson to the Major Leagues.
He was the one who signed him. Al spoke the truth.
The proper response would have been: "Mr. Koppel, the absence of black managers and black executives in baseball is very disturbing to me. To tell you the truth I do not know why it is so. But baseball is not alone. For example, in your own field, there are very few black news anchors. Why do you suppose there are so few black news anchors, Mr. Koppel, and why are so many of the white ones Jewish like yourself?" If Campanis had answered in that manner, Koppel would have ditched the tape, and we never would have heard about this.
Shirtless and lmfao you just couldn’t help sneaking in your anti-Semitism at the end LMFAO you’re a fucking clown
@@munfgunrj4324 There you go again, getting off track with anti-Semitism. How about answering my question? Why so few black news anchors and why do Jews like Koppel always play the race card?
Not sure if you seen it by now but there’s a second part to this interview where he did ask the very same question you brought up. Here’s the link to full interview and go to the 8:40 mark th-cam.com/video/DFb5kEnWnKk/w-d-xo.html
The interview was live he couldn't have ditched the tape.
Just think of the uproar this interview would've caused today.
+Kenny Powers
It caused an uproar back in 87. I remember this because I had the tv on but since the topic was about sports, I was reading a magazine and only half listening but when Campanis said what he did, I nearly fell out of my chair. I then sat there and watched as Al dug himself a professional grave on live tv.
That's right-this caused an uproar back then. Al Campanis more or less lost almost everything-including his job, and self respect.
must live in harvey Illinois or Gary indiana Home of the Jackson 5?
Yeah today they would've had his head on a stick after saying that shit lol
Depends on who said it. Biden would get a pass.
Koppel’s zinger at the end.
Ted Kopel’s hair is what’s difficult to explain. What is that?
Hey Ted Kopple, why isn't the host of Nightline black?
A memorable moment in television.
I don't know what is more pathetic. Campanis' talking or anyone thinking Koppel is responsible for what comes out of Campanis' mouth. 🙄
Whats pathetic is ignoring what Al did for Jackie when the onslaught was at its most fierce. He took the hits and stood by Jackie, when it counted most. Pathetic is smearing an old guy for saying something that came out the wrong way and poor word choice, and not considering what he meant, is his intent racist? No.
@@davidlindsay9564Is this his burner account?
or thinking that koppel wrote those questions.....its a story they wanted to go a certain way...where does Ted swim i wonder.....prob his private pool
@drc1981 Koppel wasn't responsible for what Campanis said. He was simply handing him a shovel to dig his own hole...
deeper and deeper.
@@davidlindsay9564If he was too old to understand what he was saying, then he should not have been employed in the position he held. He should have been in a retirement home.
Black run cities are the safest, most well run cities.
What? "They" can't float? No buoyancy? TF?
Ted Koppel: "(why are) there are no black managers, no black general managers, no black owners?"
Al Campanis: "I truly believe that they may not have some of the necessities to be, let's say, a field manager, or perhaps a general manager."
If you don't find it profoundly racist that one could assert that not a single person in an entire race of people would have the ability to perform as a baseball manager, you my friend are severely confused.
He is not saying that no blacks have that capacity, but rather that the percentage of blacks who do have such potential may be less than that of other races.
@@dougtaylor2803 and your point is what exactly?
Necessities, might be a poor word choice, but more likely he meant "inclination".(but Inclination is a necessity.) He didn't say that not a single person of an entire race would have the ability...he is speaking of the overall. How many black's applied for such jobs around that time? He almost acts as if he is lamenting that they weren't blacks in those positions. I don't see a lot of Jewish rappers, perhaps they aren't as inclined as a cultural aspect. He isn't saying no one of a race can't do anything. But making a by and large observation. If someone said "I wouldn't bet on eskimos being especially good basketball players" thats an observation, but is it racist? But if someone said white people can't sing the blues, they don't have the necessities, no one would bat an eye. Or 'White Men Can't Jump' can be a movie title. Also remember..... From another comment " Al was teammate, roommate and friend of Jackie Robinson himself while they were in AAA. He was the first Major League player to accept and welcome Jackie as he broke the color barrier. He abdicated his traditional position at second base so Jackie could play at his natural position and prepare to break into the majors - sacrificing his own ticket back to the show in the process. Al recorded more errors in '46 while playing out of position than any other point in his career, all so Jackie could play second base in the Majors. A pure act of self-sacrifice, no other person in the country had more incentive to see Jackie Robinson fail, but he sacrificed it all instead.
This was only the first among many Black and Latino players that Al personally risked or sacrificed his career to support"
Al forgot all about the black managers, GMs, and owners from the Negro League teams.
@@dougtaylor2803 Yeah, that's racist...
Roger Kahn holding on for dear life every time he’s on camera. Especially after Al drops the bomb. LoL “oh the humanity !”
Those questions are BAIT questions. Campanis should have said "I don't know".
Way ahead of his time. Spot on.
Spot on? 💀. How
How many teams don't have a black quarterback on the roster?
@@SBC581 ZERO 😛😛😛
@@SBC581look how fast they flame out of the league. Everyone wants a lamar jackson now and they won't ever find one. There is 2 good black qbs in the nfl right now the rest are azz
Racist moron
And Brian Flores is currently suing the NFL for the same reason in 2022!!
Don’t hear much of that now since Flores lied about the Dolphins intentional to tank
Later that day, Ted Koppel was overheard saying whites weren't as good at playing basketball and then the universe collapsed in on itself.
You will never, ever meet a racist who admits to being a racist. What you will get is defensiveness and rising up. Despite the denials, viewers can easily draw their own conclusions. That he agreed to do the interview in the first place tells you all you need to know about his lack of self-awareness.
You will never, ever meet a communist who admits to being a communist. What you will get is defensiveness, divisive accusations of so-called racism, pseudo-science, formenting of riots, and rising up. Despite the denials, Americans who love their country can easily draw their own conclusions.
Did Campanis apologize and if he did, was his apology interrupted by a home run?
10/10
Ted was race baiting here. The guy said they had to earn their dues first. Not just be given something simply because of their skin color you race baiting grifter.
And that made it a 4-0 ballgame.
@@mezzbAnd now in 2023 black players represented just 6.2% of players on opening day MLB rosters, down from 7.2% from last years record low. Those are the lowest totals in history, in 1991 black baseball players were 18.1% of the MLB rosters.
@@mezzb Paying their dues = Years as a minor league coach or years of being a 3rd base coach etc. With some success. Spare me your "unconscious bias" leftist propaganda.
"In an interview the next year, Campanis attempted to clarify that he was referring to the lack of African-Americans with experience in these areas, rather than their innate abilities. He also said that he was 'wiped out' when the interview took place and therefore not entirely himself. Many other figures in baseball, such as Lasorda and African-American and Latin players who played for the Dodgers, have also spoken in Campanis's defense."
And it makes sense, right before bed I often say that black people need to be shipped back to Africa. After a good nights sleep I’m less racist.
I wonder how many cocktails AC had had that evening.
You have to be a member of a country club to know how to swim?
I don't see what Jimmy the Greek said as offensive. This guy, and shouts out to Ted Koppel for not letting him slither away, is full of crap.
+psykomystro I was thinking that exactly. Jimmy the Greek was just telling the truth, and they crucified him for it. HIs remarks were not even offensive, and this is coming from a black man. But Campanis sounds like Justice Scalia a couple months ago before he died. Then he tried to break the tension by telling a joke at the end, but Koppel was not having it. Lowkey, I was ctfu at the last joke though.
"No I don't believe it's prejudice..."
...(5 seconds)....
(Paraphrasing)..."They simply do not have the ability to comprehend the job.."...
Oy vey, guy..
Didn't Koppel say they were going to a commercial break 🤔
They may not have "certain necessities"
Like what the fuck does that even mean?
Thin skin. And thick skulls.
Being a good player very rarely relates to being a good coach. This is true in all sports. Farmers and cooks both work in the food industry but they require completely different skill sets.
Dear god. I think Al realized halfway through that he screwed himself haha.
I don't think so, because he doubled down after that.
I remember watching Nightline when this came on; what Campanis at first went over my head; then suddenly I thought, "Wait, did he just say what I thought he said?" Later a coworker of mine had this take: "It was late at night, Campanis was probably at the stadium for hours, was tired and didn't realize how he said what he said." Point taken...but it was a horrid choice of words, and he ought to have known to apologize as soon as he'd said it.
nah that shit was epic and hilarious
@@teal2913 nah it wasn't
@@sillygoose635 Yes it was and ur a complete pussy if you didn't find any humor/if you were offended by these "racist remarks"
@@sillygoose635 it was goated hes a goat
People should remember what he did for Jackie when it counted the most.
No, seriously. Why can’t blacks swim? I didn’t know that was a thing until boot camp swim week.
It's not "racist" to say someone is UNQUALIFIED to do the job.
It is though to say an entire race is though.
In Todays world Everything is Racist !!
@@pistol80 considering what blacks say about Whites today, we don't care about your little crybaby feelings and magic words.
It is if you connect it to skin color.
Maybe an entire race is unqualified to do X. White people are told all the time that they can't talk about racism so there is an example an entire race unqualified to do something. @@pistol80
As far as quarterbacks go, I think they are forgetting about Warren Moon.
Or the fact that if you polled kids in black urban areas for decades they all wanted to be running backs or wide receivers, quarterback was a distant third if not lower down.
1 guy? Lol. Oh no there was Randal cunningham to! Lol
So why are there no black swimmers???
That's 'racist'!!!
Easy. We don't care for the sport.
Why is european futbol or soccer more popular in Africa than basket ball and football??? Africans prefer soccer.
I dont get it, what was wrong with that answer? I think it is people looking to be offended.
We all have secrets we would rather not have exposed to the scrutiny of social media. Nobody is exempt.
Unless you’re a Democrat.
The best part: No sooner does Koppel give Campanis a chance for a complete do-over ("Do you really believe that"?), he responds with a lecture about why there aren't any black swimmers.
Racists can't help but be who they are... quite sad, isn't it!
And what he said about black swimmers is true! The center of gravity of whites is lower than that of blacks on average, that's why whites have a physiological advantage over blacks in that sport and why blacks don't really do well in swimming.
Why have black swimmers won Olympic gold medals?
Exactly, Campanis is an idiot. Koppel straight up gives him the chance to redeem himself, but instead he gets even more racist.
Same reason there aren't any Asian basketball players. It's genetics, deal with it!
"they dont have the buoyancy" LMAO WHAT
They have thicker bone density, so he's not wrong. It's also what gives them superior skills in many other forms of athletic competition.
“Bone density” is a eugenics argument.
Currently there is a Japanese pitcher who is being made available to MLB to the highest bidder
He says he won’t play on a team that has no Japanese players
Something had to be wrong with his mind. He was close with Jackie when he played on the Dodgers. Maybe Campanis had undiagnosed Alzhiemers ?
Or, he knew to shut up when Jackie was around. Keep in mind, Branch Rickey made it clear that he'd trade anyone that mistreated Jackie. Dixie Walker learned that the hard way.
More like undiagnosed racism
I am black and dont understand why everyone is offended by this interview. Nothing Campanis said was racist but he was relating some stereotypes and prejudices.
I simply don't believe you're black.
@@christophercooper6731exactly
@@christophercooper6731 Why are you people so deadset on policing what black people can and can't think? You white liberals want to be offended on behalf of blacks and throw a tantrum when they call you out on it😅
@@abeezy.x5910 Because he thinks outside the white liberal box "he ain't black" like your dementia patient president famously said?
Those people with the hard r don’t even care.
The irony of keeping a conversation so clean by using the term “garbage”.
“Not good swimmers”. “Or it could just be they don’t have access to the country clubs and the pools.” One small punchline for Live TV, but one giant statement for the Heartland
You need country clubs to have access to pools? Are you high?
Lol swimming pools are easily available to the public. So are bodies of water like ponds and lakes .
For whatever reason swimming is just not something most blacks care to do
They don't seem to be into ice sports ,either
@@lindaeasley5606
They were NEVER taught HOW to swim.
There ARE black players in hockey now.
@@R.Oates7902ITS NOT OUR JOB AS WHITES TO TEACH YOU EVERY GOD DAMNED THING
The country club line was BS and he was race baiting. You can easily access swimming through local public pools or just the beach etc… it’s not hard.
There are specific races represented in different sports and genetics does play the main role. We all evolved in geographically different places that give different genetic advantages. There’s a reason why all the GOAT level sprinters are black. It able because of racist against whites. It’s because in general by and large blacks have a much higher proportion of fast twitch muscle fibres, allowing them to explode force much quicker.
Just because you don’t see blacks in management or intellectual positions doesn’t mean there is racism towards blacks. But it’s because their brains are not evolved for that area of thinking.
People, including the video poster, say Koppel egged him on. You should post the whole interview. Koppel even said, "Now, I'm going to try to help you get out of this." Koppel knew what this would do to his career. But this and the Jimmy the Greek comment were old guard meets new guard moments. In a way it's unfortunate these two were singled out for a widespread problem. I remember my Dad saying that Patrick Ewing looked like he belonged in a tree.
But even your dad's comment shouldn't automatically be labelled racist in and of itself. Did he say it about any other players? You hear things like that about Ewing for a reason, from all races. It wasn't Patrick Ewing's race that prompted that comment, it was his specific appearance. Ali said things of a similar nature about his opponents who were black, all the time. The physical appearance of Patrick Ewing, the actor Ron Perlman, and Danny Woods from New Kids on the Block, you could say they all have similar features so you could make a similar comment about any of them. If Ewing was Albino but looked the same comments would still be made. Jimmy didn't say anything that wasn't true,as I recall, it was ham fisted and sloppy way of talking about what is genetically true. Michael Johnson said the same thing years later and no one cared at all.
@@davidlindsay9564 Well he left no doubt when I asked why there wasn't more black QB's in the NFL ('70's). I knew what he would say, but I was hoping he wouldn't. He pointed to his head implying they aren't smart enough.
@@drasticwillb ...well from his generations viewpoint, thats what he would possibly think, and everyone is a product of their environment, and there is nothing more unfair than than judging people of the past by modern standards. From his generations thinking, it was "well if they were, then why aren't they?". misguided, but had there been a Warren Moon in the 60s then he wouldn't have thought that, but there wasn't, so he did. Why wasn't there? Because there wasn't. People can look back and say "well its because of racism", but unless someone can show me where there was a rash of black quarterbacks who tried out and were denied (despite talent), then it could just be a matter of by and large black people gravitated toward other positions, for whatever reasons. It's always the marquee positions that people gripe about, (and pull the race card over. No one complains about kickers or punters not being of one color or another.) There aren't any Jewish Sumo wrestlers, that doesn't make the World Sumo wrestlers federation anti-semetic, there aren't because there aren't. I might have been there were no black coaches, just because there weren't... Back then, some people can assume there aren't any black quarterbacks because "they aren't smart enough." That's their take, and that's wrong, and that's on them,but that doesn't mean that is why. Is he reason there are few black hockey players because they aren't smart enough? No, its because of regional factors. Just because something doesn't happen, doesn't mean there is evil intent behind it. To label everything as being because of racism is as bad as racism. Whatever your dad said and gestured, which could have been,duh, as maybe you weren't getting it, I don't know your dad, but whatever he said about lack of black quarterbacks doesn't change that Patrick Ewings appearance is what it is.
@@davidlindsay9564 That's a generous, and commendable, outlook. Taking innocent until proven guilty to its finality. On that note, my father liked condescension, toward almost everybody. He was quick to point out anyone who fell short trying at anything and make a sneering joke about it. He liked to think he knew people, and their limitations, from their background. He was well traveled and knew just enough about many parts of North America to be dangerous. So to your point that would be more a quick to judge thing than a racism thing. There's also the bias doesn't every father to some degree try to impress on his son that he has all the answers at a moment's glance?
Ability? Says a guy who played in the MLB for 11 days, batted .100, had two hits and scored three runs. The only reason he lasted into the 80s and not fired earlier was because he was buddy buddy with Lasorda!
Hey Ted.....why back when this guy was ambushed were there no black news anchor men?
Koppel baited him relentlessly until he got the sound byte he was trolling for. Koppel WAS the garbage.
I don’t understand where the racist part was?