How much do you typically compress on the way in? To get the sound you want? Do you intentionally leave room for further compressing during mixing? If so, how much? Do and to what extend do your answers depend on the location where you tracked the drums?
There is no lack of info available on drum recording basics but some info on some of the more "advanced techniques" would be great, such as: combining samples with live drums to create impact and emphasis, separating the initial attack and decay sounds of drums to eq/process separately, recording cymbals separately as Shawn Wait mentioned already, adding distortion to drums, effects of different compression levels/approaches.... man I could go on and on.
You can't be serious. I've been working all day, got back home and finished watching Jacquire King video, and you upload this one. I mean, do you have 72 hours days? Do you ever sleep? Keep it up Warren. You're doin amazing service to the industry and the community.
Well said Ronnie! Warren is an absolute inspiration to the world of music and production. He takes time to communicate with his subscribers and has the best content. For somebody who has worked with such 'Premier League' producers and artistes, he is so humble and I have learned SO much from this channel in the past months. Great stuff.
Ronnie Amighetti you’re very kind by friend! It’s very important for me to share ideas with everyone! We have an amazing community! Thanks for being part of it!
I was actually at the Blackbird studio attending an academy over the summer when Mr Warren walked in on our session filming his masterclass. It was kind of surreal.
Hey Warren thank you so much that we get this Multitracks that’s amazing!!! I‘ve load it in a session and it’s sooo great to hear it… now i made my samples 😄🤘🏼
Superior Drummer eat your heart out! Uncompressed files of drum Gold by a no nonsense audio guru. Extremely thoughtful, generous, and massively helpful of you Mr. Warren.
You always showed us the beauty and science behind recording each instrument flawlessly.....that most people, including me, could have never dreamt of seeing and learn , if you weren't there..... Thank you so much sir for all this
Thank you so very much. I love the videos. I have learned so much from your teaching. I have been a musician for years but just started seriously recording a year ago. I would have given up if it hadn't been for what I have learned from you. Can never thank you enough. Be well and blessed!
I love you man! You share those amazing experiences with us. It's like taking us there to have fun then download the multi-tracks with huge motivation.
Phenomenal video! I truly appreciate the shorter video time so I can get my “Produce like a Pro” fix without the guilt of not working for an hour. I can watch the whole video during coffee and go inspired into my studio to track armed with new knowledge. I truly thank you for teaching me something in every video and without seeking praise, I have watched most of your videos.
Warren, you consistently put out great content, conversations, and tips. Thank you for what you do. You really provide a great service to the audio community, novice and pro alike.
Love hark-back to GJ there ... the 3-4-mic GJ config is what I'd tend to do with my set-up, since I'm on a dedicated 16-track machine ... so track economy is still pretty vital. This X-X-X equilateral triangle thing is pretty awesome ... yes, phase relationships are preserved and the stereo image will be awesome ... I'd probably need to go with X = 40" because of space availability reasons. I can get my other condenser mic back from the shop in Helsinki next week! YAY!
Warren, Thank you for all your efforts. You continue to inspire beyond what words can describe. I hope to meet you one day to thank you in person. I saw you at winter NAMM 2019 in front of the Waves booth but didn't want to interrupt as you were speaking with someone. Maybe next year if I have the privlege to attend again. Thanks again.
What an amazing space, love that live room, and that chamber. The wall hinged live/dead fronted panels is superb. Love that Coles setup through the gap in the panels. Both SM7b, and the SM57/451 pair really matched their kits and rooms perfectly. It's drastically different toms and rooms but I do think I loved the Josephson more than the 414s. There's clearer pitch, and skin noise and interesting grain (room maybe?). I wonder if those are the Josephsons that Steve Albini (RIP) favoured for his big live room at Electrical Audio? I preferred the D112/U87 combo for kick, sounded cleaner/smoother. The R44 had more of a Thwack!, which is nice and funky sounding. I wonder if I'd almost have swopped the bass drum setups, RCA+maybe RE-20 or Beta 52A for the old Ludwig, and D-112/U87 for the newer DW. I didn't love the sound of the metallic Ludwig snare in the deader room, maybe an SM7b or MD441 underneath might have given more body. Or maybe one of those snare weight dampeners, with those flappy side wings, to bring the pitch and ring down.
Yep. No BS, just a truly professional setup with all the best of everything, and a transparent run-through of gear, placement, signal processing. If you duplicate this and can't get a good sound, the problem exists between the throne and capsules.
Thank you for these beautiful samples. Soloing that Coles pair with a FabF cut at 311 and a bit of 65, a touch of extra Sub on the Maag, Pultec boost at 10k and an IK 670 makes such an AMAZING sound, I'm gobsmacked! Who'd have thought?
David Rosario interesting! We didn’t process anywhere near as near as heavily as those kits sound. I like them as they are designed for people who want the sound be to more done for them. We also recorded in a different position and placement than those kits and also one of the kits belongs to the drummer not the studio.
Hey Warren, is Arthur Sloatman still a tech there? He did the variable height ceiling for the "chamber." He showed me that several years ago. I was the original tech at Starstruck Studios, but left Nashville many moons ago. Love your videos.
Hi Warren, I love the video! Question about the "Fake" Glyn Johns overhead placement in the large room. I see Jacquire King also do it on his Drum Recordings (in vids that I have seen of him). So the mics are placed 50 inch from the snare and from each other. But do you pan them hard-left and right? I know that with a "normal" Glyn Johns technique you should pan them halfway, Would love if you enlighten me. Got some Drum recordings coming up myself in a few weeks, so I definitely want to try this myself.
Hi Warren, another awesome video, thanks heaps! I am tracking drums soon for a client and I am curious. While I will never get to record with such amazing gear, I want to know if I should use a bright or a darker sounding condenser mic for the outside kick drum microphone? Cheers!
Warren quick question - why is there such prevalence on using 10-12 mics in different spaces for drums these day? The kit sounds fantastic, and I'm sure a huge unspoken part of it is tuning the kit to match the song the band is recording so the drums REALLY gel. But what's the benefit of so many mics? Mixing one out if another sounds better? Options? Control? How present is each in the mix, considering those classic drum tracks you mentioned rarely used more than 3-4 mics.
Marvellous question Matt! It's all for options! If I want to do Kick Snare and Overheads I can! Maybe just add the rooms! That will work great on a Zeppelin style song with one our two guitar parts, bass and vocals! However if the mix is extremely dense then I love being able to have individual control of each drum!
Just watched.......superior show, helped me a lot! I have a question: I have been trying to use my SM81's as overhead on pretty much 70-80 era cymbals.. in a small 11x 15 room with a partial vaulted ceiling (trap). and the room is pretty much not too 'wet' as far as treatment. I still get way too much bleed from the rest of the kit , perhaps try something different? I have them set at normal, (flat I guess)l roll-off.... (I am not a 'Hard" hitter just normal style of playing), thanks in advance......
Beyer M160 O...M...G... I actually never produced anything yet, I'm learning mixing... And I wonder, knowing how fragile ribbon mics are, how can it survive being placed in the center of the drumset ??
Hi Warren, a question off topic and possibly a test you can do or have already done regarding studio monitors. I have a room that is quite dead, barely if not any reflections at all. I designed it that way thinking, I could add the right amount of ambience to my liking (wrong or right to me it made sense at the time). I found it a nice change to be honest, the sound automatically was tighter and concentrated or focussed. My issue is my monitors Alesis mk2 midrange has a very noticeable spike. I have been wanting and saving up to get a pair of Adams a7x but without being able to test them first was thinking of an alternate approach. If I were to buy a room measuring software kit and have my room calculated for its acoustics and graphed. Could I use a pair of 31 band parametric eq’s to flatten the measured curve between the monitors giving them a more flattened sound. Basically eq-ing the monitors to my room? Any info would be great, or a test if you could see it working. Cheers Pete
In the Eric Valentine Video he uses a single mic technique, interested in this and would have been great to have heard those files. Possible to get close with m160/other suitable mics + plugs (4db boost t 1k plus tape emulation)?
Hi, when u have the chamber mic do you adjust the time on the track so they are in phase with the overheads as you do with the snare? or is the chamber suppose to come in after? I really enjoy all your stuff. ceep it coming! //Rickard
Sorry Warren to be THAT guy but that snare isn't a bell brass, its actually a Tama PBS280 14x8 Brass Snare drum. I know this because I've been looking for it for hours because it sounds like what I imagine heaven to sound like. And its really not that expensive but much rarer than the Bell Brass, I can't even find a TH-cam video on it! Great video though, most of the views on this are probably me!
Wonder how much was the rooms/mics (because they were different) and the kits themselves - the Ludwig had that pretty standard sounding snare compared to that massive Tama snare on the DW kit.
Interesting! It would have been nice to actually HEAR the eq adjustments at the end.....pretty much all about mics and mic placement and not enough of the actual sound.
Wow. Somebody dropped an "F" bomb. Ha. Impressive. If I'm ever able to save my pennies, I would love to have a go at a song recording in this studio, mixed by Warren.
As of 10/28/20 10 people hit the dislike button because their drum sound sucks! Even tho they try soo hard. Instead of just listening to the video watching the technique and figuring out how to get better drum sounds.
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How many times do you actually track the cymbals separately?
How much do you typically compress on the way in? To get the sound you want? Do you intentionally leave room for further compressing during mixing? If so, how much? Do and to what extend do your answers depend on the location where you tracked the drums?
There is no lack of info available on drum recording basics but some info on some of the more "advanced techniques" would be great, such as: combining samples with live drums to create impact and emphasis, separating the initial attack and decay sounds of drums to eq/process separately, recording cymbals separately as Shawn Wait mentioned already, adding distortion to drums, effects of different compression levels/approaches.... man I could go on and on.
You didn't talk about the Coles out in front of the kit Warren? Will that be in another video to follow?
You can't be serious. I've been working all day, got back home and finished watching Jacquire King video, and you upload this one. I mean, do you have 72 hours days? Do you ever sleep? Keep it up Warren. You're doin amazing service to the industry and the community.
Well said Ronnie! Warren is an absolute inspiration to the world of music and production. He takes time to communicate with his subscribers and has the best content. For somebody who has worked with such 'Premier League' producers and artistes, he is so humble and I have learned SO much from this channel in the past months. Great stuff.
I don't know how he gets so much content online so quickly!
Ronnie Amighetti you’re very kind by friend! It’s very important for me to share ideas with everyone! We have an amazing community! Thanks for being part of it!
Mattie Mclean wow! Thanks ever so much my friend! I appreciate the kind words my friend!!
Noise in the Basement you’re very kind my friend! Truly blessed to do what I love my Friend!!
I was actually at the Blackbird studio attending an academy over the summer when Mr Warren walked in on our session filming his masterclass. It was kind of surreal.
Aha! Thanks Ian! That was certainly a wonderful time!
Hey Warren thank you so much that we
get this Multitracks that’s amazing!!!
I‘ve load it in a session and it’s sooo great to hear it… now i made my samples 😄🤘🏼
Superior Drummer eat your heart out! Uncompressed files of drum Gold by a no nonsense audio guru. Extremely thoughtful, generous, and massively helpful of you Mr. Warren.
Wow! Thank you ever so much my friend!!
You always showed us the beauty and science behind recording each instrument flawlessly.....that most people, including me, could have never dreamt of seeing and learn , if you weren't there..... Thank you so much sir for all this
Thanks ever so much Adarsh!!
15:09 Marvellous!!!!!!!
Thanks ever so much Jose!
Nice .... I can never get tired of seeing Blackbird. Such an amazing place. Thank you Warren
Agreed 100% my friend!
What an amazing space....us mere mortals will just have to dream! Cheers Warren, best wishes once again from the U.K.
The multitrack downloads are like meeting someone with your dream car, and having them offer you the keys to take it for a spin.
Hi Nick Wallette you’re very kind my friend!
yes
Thank you so very much. I love the videos. I have learned so much from your teaching. I have been a musician for years but just started seriously recording a year ago. I would have given up if it hadn't been for what I have learned from you. Can never thank you enough. Be well and blessed!
I love the videos from Blackbird. Awesome sound and endless possibilities.
I love you man! You share those amazing experiences with us. It's like taking us there to have fun then download the multi-tracks with huge motivation.
Wow! Thanks ever so much! That means a lot!
I have been mixing these drum tracks and am truly giddy . THANKS AGAIN WARREN YOU REALLY ROCK BRO
Thanks ever so much my friend!!
The Large Room Multi-Tracks Sound AMAZING! Those Coles... Wow!! Blackbird Studios is like Disneyland for Musicians and Engineers!!!
Phenomenal video!
I truly appreciate the shorter video time so I can get my “Produce like a Pro” fix without the guilt of not working for an hour.
I can watch the whole video during coffee and go inspired into my studio to track armed with new knowledge.
I truly thank you for teaching me something in every video and without seeking praise, I have watched most of your videos.
I watched this one at least twice, taking notes for my Studio Recording class.
Warren, you consistently put out great content, conversations, and tips. Thank you for what you do. You really provide a great service to the audio community, novice and pro alike.
Love hark-back to GJ there ... the 3-4-mic GJ config is what I'd tend to do with my set-up, since I'm on a dedicated 16-track machine ... so track economy is still pretty vital. This X-X-X equilateral triangle thing is pretty awesome ... yes, phase relationships are preserved and the stereo image will be awesome ... I'd probably need to go with X = 40" because of space availability reasons. I can get my other condenser mic back from the shop in Helsinki next week! YAY!
Thank you so much for those tracks, they are pure gold
Warren, Thank you for all your efforts. You continue to inspire beyond what words can describe. I hope to meet you one day to thank you in person. I saw you at winter NAMM 2019 in front of the Waves booth but didn't want to interrupt as you were speaking with someone. Maybe next year if I have the privlege to attend again. Thanks again.
Warren this video is fantastic. Crushing all of the content recently. Keep them coming. Thanks, from Nashville.
wow what a killer studio!
great videos... starting my journey on understanding how to record properly and not only being a guitarist.
both drums sounded great!!!
Hi Tiago Franco yanks ever so much my friend!!!
What an amazing space, love that live room, and that chamber. The wall hinged live/dead fronted panels is superb. Love that Coles setup through the gap in the panels. Both SM7b, and the SM57/451 pair really matched their kits and rooms perfectly. It's drastically different toms and rooms but I do think I loved the Josephson more than the 414s. There's clearer pitch, and skin noise and interesting grain (room maybe?). I wonder if those are the Josephsons that Steve Albini (RIP) favoured for his big live room at Electrical Audio? I preferred the D112/U87 combo for kick, sounded cleaner/smoother. The R44 had more of a Thwack!, which is nice and funky sounding. I wonder if I'd almost have swopped the bass drum setups, RCA+maybe RE-20 or Beta 52A for the old Ludwig, and D-112/U87 for the newer DW. I didn't love the sound of the metallic Ludwig snare in the deader room, maybe an SM7b or MD441 underneath might have given more body. Or maybe one of those snare weight dampeners, with those flappy side wings, to bring the pitch and ring down.
Got to be the most helpful drum recording vid I've seen.
Thank you
Yep. No BS, just a truly professional setup with all the best of everything, and a transparent run-through of gear, placement, signal processing. If you duplicate this and can't get a good sound, the problem exists between the throne and capsules.
thesoundtree that’s very kind of you my friend! I really appreciate it
Hi Nick Wallette that is very kind of you to say! I agree, a great drummer makes all the difference in any set up!!
Thank you for these beautiful samples. Soloing that Coles pair with a FabF cut at 311 and a bit of 65, a touch of extra Sub on the Maag, Pultec boost at 10k and an IK 670 makes such an AMAZING sound, I'm gobsmacked! Who'd have thought?
Wonderful to hear Pete!!
It's still important how you hit the drums, as he demonstrated on that tom hit on the big room kit, lol! What a great studio and great demo.
Wow i am so envious! I always love watching your drum tracking videos. I've actually borrowed some of your techniques in my own sessions!
Great stuff, Warren. Looking forward to checking out the multitracks. Thank you!
Nice! Loving those drums!
Hi Audrey Sims Thanks ever so much my friend!!
GREAT post! My head is spinning with drum micing ideas now. I'll probably loose sleep incorporating your ideas.
and love every minute of it.
Loved the video. It's given me some ideas about creating a chamber for recording Classical Guitar at home.
I know these are a lot of work to set up, but they sure are fun to watch and listen to.
You really laid out a great recording setup and wow is that a nice studio! Nicely done Warren!!
Thanks
You’re very welcome
Like it 🤩🤩
Great drums' sounds
Hi Warren, can you explain the reasoning for having the baffles around the drum kit in the larger room? Thanks, and the drums sound AMAZING!!!
Thanks for sharing this. Warren's awesome! I hope to join one of your masterclasses some time
The dry kit sounds like one of the kits from the Blackbird expansion to Slate drums.
David Rosario interesting! We didn’t process anywhere near as near as heavily as those kits sound. I like them as they are designed for people who want the sound be to more done for them. We also recorded in a different position and placement than those kits and also one of the kits belongs to the drummer not the studio.
Great awesome stuff big thanks
I prefer the tighter kit!!!
THANK YOU for the drum tracks . I am going to do a whole album with the same drum tracks 😆
uff the DW Kick with the RCA and the AKG sounds soooo juicy. Dream Sound! Not a fan of the 8x14 snare tho
That RCA sounds huge. 😀
MARVELOUS
Hi Nicholas Dentato Thank you my friend!! Glad to be able to help!
Yabadabadoooo!
Unreal Warren!
Wow!
Lowell rules!! :-) great video
Hey Warren, is Arthur Sloatman still a tech there? He did the variable height ceiling for the "chamber." He showed me that several years ago. I was the original tech at Starstruck Studios, but left Nashville many moons ago. Love your videos.
Hi Warren, I love the video!
Question about the "Fake" Glyn Johns overhead placement in the large room. I see Jacquire King also do it on his Drum Recordings (in vids that I have seen of him). So the mics are placed 50 inch from the snare and from each other. But do you pan them hard-left and right? I know that with a "normal" Glyn Johns technique you should pan them halfway,
Would love if you enlighten me. Got some Drum recordings coming up myself in a few weeks, so I definitely want to try this myself.
Would you recommend akg c214 for overheads?
Hi Warren, another awesome video, thanks heaps! I am tracking drums soon for a client and I am curious. While I will never get to record with such amazing gear, I want to know if I should use a bright or a darker sounding condenser mic for the outside kick drum microphone? Cheers!
Great snare drum on the DW kit, but NOT a Bell Brass, that's a standard bronze (thin shell) snare drum from Tama, quite recent one actually.
You are correct. I assume the bell brass was rented out already so they sent “the closest thing” I don’t think anyone told Warren.
Warren quick question - why is there such prevalence on using 10-12 mics in different spaces for drums these day? The kit sounds fantastic, and I'm sure a huge unspoken part of it is tuning the kit to match the song the band is recording so the drums REALLY gel. But what's the benefit of so many mics? Mixing one out if another sounds better? Options? Control? How present is each in the mix, considering those classic drum tracks you mentioned rarely used more than 3-4 mics.
Marvellous question Matt! It's all for options! If I want to do Kick Snare and Overheads I can! Maybe just add the rooms! That will work great on a Zeppelin style song with one our two guitar parts, bass and vocals! However if the mix is extremely dense then I love being able to have individual control of each drum!
@@Producelikeapro makes sense. will think about that during my mixing practice. Appreciate you posting the drum session~!
Matt Bacon thanks ever so much!! So glad to be able to help!
Just watched.......superior show, helped me a lot!
I have a question: I have been trying to use my SM81's as overhead on pretty much 70-80 era cymbals..
in a small 11x 15 room with a partial vaulted ceiling (trap). and the room is pretty much not too 'wet' as far as treatment.
I still get way too much bleed from the rest of the kit , perhaps try something different? I have them set at normal, (flat I guess)l roll-off.... (I am not a 'Hard" hitter just normal style of playing), thanks in advance......
Where was C24 pointed? At the wall or at the entry?
Beyer M160 O...M...G...
I actually never produced anything yet, I'm learning mixing... And I wonder, knowing how fragile ribbon mics are, how can it survive being placed in the center of the drumset ??
Man, this is priceless!!!
Hi Warren, a question off topic and possibly a test you can do or have already done regarding studio monitors. I have a room that is quite dead, barely if not any reflections at all. I designed it that way thinking, I could add the right amount of ambience to my liking (wrong or right to me it made sense at the time). I found it a nice change to be honest, the sound automatically was tighter and concentrated or focussed. My issue is my monitors Alesis mk2 midrange has a very noticeable spike. I have been wanting and saving up to get a pair of Adams a7x but without being able to test them first was thinking of an alternate approach. If I were to buy a room measuring software kit and have my room calculated for its acoustics and graphed. Could I use a pair of 31 band parametric eq’s to flatten the measured curve between the monitors giving them a more flattened sound. Basically eq-ing the monitors to my room? Any info would be great, or a test if you could see it working.
Cheers
Pete
Sweet video!!! About to start tracking some drums for a few songs! This was helpful. Lol
Marvellous!! Glad to be able to help!!
In the Eric Valentine Video he uses a single mic technique, interested in this and would have been great to have heard those files. Possible to get close with m160/other suitable mics + plugs (4db boost t 1k plus tape emulation)?
Just seen the Eric Valentine Making records - hardware vs plugins which covered it, so no worries.
Hi, when u have the chamber mic do you adjust the time on the track so they are in phase with the overheads as you do with the snare? or is the chamber suppose to come in after? I really enjoy all your stuff. ceep it coming! //Rickard
Adjusting the time just takes away the space, it can be done But I think it shouldn't be..after all...phase is part of space/time.
That's where Stray Cats just recorded! Rad man
Hi warren where in the uk are you from?
Hey Warren, do you recall what the cymbals were on the kit in the big room?
All Zildjian
16” K Light hihats
20” K sweet crash
22” K Constantinople Ride
20” K Dark Thin crash
Actually hats are 16” crash hats. K custom session crash over 16” A rock crash
this may be a stupid question but what's with the string on the hats at 7.58?
Hey Davide! That’s just my custom made headphone extension hanging on the hihat rod. I put it there in between takes so I don’t lose track of it!
@@nateodrum nice, i thought of some weird secret gizmos, it was way easier than that
@@DavideGuerri haha great indeed!!
@@nateodrum Thanks for explaining!
Produce Like A Pro No problem at all. I love my headphone extension! Thank you Yankee Audio Works!!!!
"Pphhffaakin awesome"😆
Alright, let all academy members put their stuff together, so maybe we'll have hlaf of the equipment to record drums :)
Great video.
When your room sounds so good that you don't even need eq
I cant seem to download the Multitrack files
Sorry Warren to be THAT guy but that snare isn't a bell brass, its actually a Tama PBS280 14x8 Brass Snare drum. I know this because I've been looking for it for hours because it sounds like what I imagine heaven to sound like. And its really not that expensive but much rarer than the Bell Brass, I can't even find a TH-cam video on it! Great video though, most of the views on this are probably me!
Ludwig kit sounded = easy to get budget home recording sound
DW kit sounded = expensive and hi fi like it should in a big budget studio
Wonder how much was the rooms/mics (because they were different) and the kits themselves - the Ludwig had that pretty standard sounding snare compared to that massive Tama snare on the DW kit.
Interesting! It would have been nice to actually HEAR the eq adjustments at the end.....pretty much all about mics and mic placement and not enough of the actual sound.
Hi Steve, all the high resolution multi tracks are available for download.
Wow. Somebody dropped an "F" bomb. Ha. Impressive. If I'm ever able to save my pennies, I would love to have a go at a song recording in this studio, mixed by Warren.
I much prefer the first kit sound
I thought I heard when the levee breaks
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COLES 4038*** not 4308!
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angel graham like... I was like.... thinking the same thing. Like.... someone needs to stop saying “like”... it’s me!
As of 10/28/20 10 people hit the dislike button because their drum sound sucks! Even tho they try soo hard. Instead of just listening to the video watching the technique and figuring out how to get better drum sounds.