I have the Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris, Nike Valorfly 3, Nike Alphafly 3, Endorphin Elite, Puma Deviate Nitro 2, Puma Fast R Nitro 2, Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro 2, Adidas Adizero Pro 3, Adidas Takumi Sen 10, Under Armour Flow Velocity Elite. My favourites for racing at the moment are the Metaspeed Sky Paris, I have my 5km PB and Marathon PB in them. My second favourite are the Nike Vaporfly 3s, which I did my PB for the 1/2 marathon and 2nd fastest times over 5km and Marathon only recently lost to the Metaspeed Sky Paris. I have tried the Wave Rebellion Pro 2 a few times and when I start running, they feel quite propulsive pushing me to run fast but my legs aren't used to them and both times I have had to stop my run early due to my legs completely seizing up. I have never had this in any other shoe on any other run, so I don't really want to wear them again. I have just purchased a pair of the Metaspeed Edge Paris, will be interesting to see how these compare to the Sky Paris, I was told these are better if you have a high cadence, my average during my 5km pb was 197spm).
Can't believe you put the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 2 in the tier C section 😧 For me it's at least a tier B shoe. I ran my last two marathons with them and find no fault with them 😊 They're light, cushioned and their grip is amazing 🤩
I'm also owner of this tier c shoe and I love it. Probably cheapest shoe here - I bought them for 145€ ofc it was discount but this is less even than discounted Kiprun KD900X LD.
Love the way you keep your shoes clean for your reviews, unlike some others on the TH-cam. 1st run today in the adios pro 3, within 5k got used to the roll and love it, the right socks make all the difference with the upper fit and found the upper great, laces could do with some give like those that saucony use but a 2min off 10k pb on 1st run whoop whoop 🙌 cielo x1 I found unstable with the rear gap between midsole if land anywhere but mid foot which the shoe try’s to force you to be a mid foot runner, but as a slight lateral strike between rear and mid foot it was a wobbly beast.
For me, after several comparison runs so far: S: Endorphin Elite, AlphaFly 3 A: Metaspeed Edge Paris, Rocket X 2 B: Vaporfly 3, Endorphin Pro 3 (don’t have 4 yet) C: Adios Pro 3, Deviate Nitro Elite 2, Cielo X 1 D: Wave Rebellion Pro 2 There are others I’ve tried that don’t even make it onto this tier list. Good vid, Edd!
I'm running in the Cielo X1 for my race this weekend, the only reason is because it's a road ultra. I agree it's not really a racer for anything that needs speed but a great leg saver for ultras. Thanks for making the list! It's very helpful in deciding what to choose for my fall marathon.
Just started running again this past year and have put together a nice rotation. Absolutely loving the vaporfly 3 for fast work, and my AF3 pair just showed up on my porch today. Cant wait to try them, initial feel just trying them on feels fantastic. Will have to report back when i get some miles on them. The metaspeed sky paris has peaked my interest too.
For overall racing, list is good. Marathon specific Alphafly V3 is just amazing, just finished PB'ing by over 10mins from only last Oct 2023, and was also able to negative split by nearly 2mins. The weight reduction, new midsole profile and cutouts just are a thing of smooth and efficient awesomeness! And durability is a HUGE upgrade compared to the AF V1 and V2.
I have most of those, what can I say, I have a shoe addiction. For me personally, the Vaporfly's for 5 and 10k's, the Alphafly's for half marathons, and the Adidas Pro 3 for marathons. Honorable mentions for the Sen 9 and Deviate nitro's though. But it's all a personal choice.
I'm curious as to why you pick AF for HM and AAP3 for FM ? can you explain your reasoning and liking ? (I'm an AF1 lover and can't fathom running in anything else at the moment)
@@Lyingfigure It's all to do with the 20 mile mark and after, when my form goes. The Alphafly's feel cluncky, whilst the Pro 3 seems to be better after that point. tbf there isnt a lot between them, but I do use the Pro 3 for all my long runs (as they are more resiliant and longer lasting), so am more used to them anyway. I am also an AF1 lover, especially when on offer, but they are not the most durable shoe.
Supershoes I own/have owned are Nike Vaporfly 1, 2 and 3, Alphafly 1, Adidas Takumi sen 8, and Saucony Speed 2 and 3 (if you count those in). The iterations of Vaporfly seems to be trending towards less aggressive and more stable shoes. I still use my first pair from time to time, and it still has good energy return (after 1000 miles), although of course it is quite worn and ill-looking. But it still works, which is quite impressive in comparison to how short durability they were said to should have. I didn't like the vaporfly 2 as much, as it seemed just less bouncy without being better in other ways. Vaporfly 3 I like but haven't run enough in yet to know for sure, but I like that they have become lighter and a bit more stable. For marathon I found the earlier iterations a bit too aggressive in the rocker, so i got muscular fatigue with them after the first 1/2 of a full marathon. Don't know but I hope the vaporfly 3 is better there. Takumi sen 8 was good, but I felt the sole was a bit unstable and uneven so when I got injured I blamed them, and got rid of them. Haven't tried adidas since (and havent needed to since there is competion for my needs in that compartment. If we cound Saucony speed in, I really like those as a all-round shoe. I tried those at a marathon once, after giving up on the vaporfly, and they did indeed help me (i think, not scientifically) getting me much further before muscular fatigue kicked in. Of shoes I am interested in I would say Asics metaspeed paris for shorter distances, and I could give saucony endorphin pro a try, or a new try on the latest iteration of the alphaflys. Also of course curious to see how my relatively recent pair of Vaporfly 3 will measure up when I get to try them more in races.
Endo Pro3 assisted me happily to an 18 min PB in Boston 2 yrs ago so I just purchased one of the last pairs left in my size in the last produced colorway (manufactured only last year) heavily discounted 😊 But I also have v4 and am not sure which I like best! Re Takumi Sen, I have 2 pairs of v8 and they have far better midsoles than the shoe I wore on my 1st marathon in 2018, so I could probably even run a marathon in them. I think I could certainly do a HM but haven’t had the guts to try it, especially with multiple pairs now of Endo Pro in the house.
I have just cleaned up my pair of the Metaspeed sky and Vaporfly 4% flyknit. Going to do a shoes of the past ( well recent past ) video soon. I like dipping back into the older ones!
Saucony pro 4 might be the best shoe I've owned. Seems to be able to cope with any pace but does shine the faster you go. I like the full sole with no cut outs so is quite stable and comfort maybe the best of all the racing shoes. Ran Edinburgh marathon and really didn't think about them at all just worked. Plenty people were wearing the new alphafly though so seems to be the most popular one.
For us Gen X lads that went to secondary school in the late 80s, it's really hard to define how important and mind blowing Public Enemy were. They changed the way I thought about the world, genuinely. Still do. Chuck is such a prophet. Back on point, I really must disagree on the Takumi Sen, surely it's the perfect shoe for what it does? Versatility isn't necessarily important in every shoe, that's why I have a wide rotation. It's like a Ferrari convertible, I only bring it out on sunny race days. Great video, think I'm going to try the Endorphin pro 4, as I skipped the 3.
great video Edd, tried quite a few of the shoes on your list and agree with the majority of your conclusions, love the Metaspeed Sky Paris and Alphafly 3 but I would put the Rocket X2 in tier A myself, love it for 5 and 10k's. Don't like the uppers of the Adidas Adios Pro 3 or Mizuno Wave Rebellion pro and agree that the VF2 was a better shoe than the VF3.
Endo Pro3 assisted me happily to an 18 min PB in Boston 2 yrs ago so I just purchased one of the last pairs left in my size in the last produced colorway (manufactured only last year) heavily discounted 😊 But I also have v4 and am not sure which I like best!
Fortunately my foot is not narrow so my Pro 3’s fit well, looking forward to the Pro 4. Overall, I reach for the Adidas over my vapor fly’s , just like them better.
Ha ha ha.. My favourite are the Cielo X1 and Mizuno wave Rebellion Pro V1. I am a heel striker and slow runner but the Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro V1 is perfect for me 🎉
I will keep an eye out for the Endorphin Pro 4. Hopefully, it will come on sale, if not for EOFY, at least for Black Friday/Cyber Monday near the end of the year. I have so many carbon plated race shoes there is no urgency to purchase. Thank goodness.
I prefer the endorphin pro 3 and cielo x1 as a trainer for long runs. The ASICS sky and edge and vapor fly were all to unstable for me as I had ankle roll. Adios pro 3 upper and heal stitching was bad. I agree on the saucony elite it's a decent shoe but not a tier. The alpha fly is just a mid tier for me too.
Mizuno in D is a bit harsh. I get that its not a shoe that fits every runner. But as a mid foot striker I do enjoy the shoe a lot. Grate value for the price, and its currently the shoe that I hold my half marathon pb in. So its quite fast as well.
Ran my first marathon yesterday in the Cielo X1. They felt amazing right to the end and looked after my feet and legs well. Which is saying something given it was 28C in Stockholm and the rest of my body was miserable from about 3k onwards 😅
Nice job Edd, If i have to select only one from category A for Race days/ Long runs, which one would you recommend ? I heard a lot about Saucony being the best running brand, but this reputation have disappeared after the raise of social media
Ed, thanks for another great video. I am starting training for a marathon in Jan 2025. What sets of shoes would yo recommend? I started running again only recently for this endeavor. I am on Asics gel Cumulus 25s. They have been pretty comfortable for my first stints of just 5k.
Regarding great reviews - I maybe will have to look at the endorphin pro 4 and finally did sneak a pair of AF3 into the house. With the SEP4, is the fit like the Metaspeed sky? Btw, I saw Public Enemy (Fear of a Black Planet album tour as a teenager talking about my age! - Great show and controversial at the same time. I also thought your 80's obscure music call out might have been The Fall or The KLF/Timelords Doctorin' the Tardis. 😂
Alphafly V3 is definitely not a hit for me...doesn't have the bounce and squish of V1.. the forefoot and pods don't squish and rebound anything like V1..I will work with it some more..definitely not a 1/2 or full marathon shoe..V1 and V2 were race ready out of the box..V3 is much worse than the previous versions..
Have you ever had an "S" shoe or are you still waiting ? I guess as I keep going back to the Vaporfly 1 that would have to be mine at least in recent years.
@@EDDBUD Ah yes the 4% was a real game changer even a size down for me as they never did a UK 13 in them. I've given up getting 12s now like say in the Metaspeeds.
Superb video as always!!👏🏽💯⭐️ I guess my ‘S’ shoe is the Alphafly 1. Had a few pairs and nothing since has felt as good on my feet. Still train on occasion with a couple of older war scarred pairs 🙌🏽
Hello to everyone from Russia! In connection with this terrible war, we runners have been blocked from all access to normal running shoes, alas. Websites with stores are blocked, and the largest stores, such as Nike and Adidas, have left the market. I have Nike Vaporfly 1, 2, 3 in my collection. There is also Endorphin pro4, and Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 1, 2. I wear Nike Vaporfly 3 for the marathon, I think they are the softest. At the half marathon - Puma Deviate Nitro Elite2 - they are very responsive and push well!
Decided to buy an only once used Volt AF3 for €200 shipped. Looks brand new. Should arrive any day now. Literally more then half of these bring sold used are counterfeit. Really need to watch out for details. The zoomx paint of the nike logo looks way better on the fakes. It's the main giveaway of them being a replica.
@@EDDBUD Yeah sad but true. Something funky is going on with the replica's of the AF3 and Nike's official promotions. See, every AF has cracks in the paint on the Nike logo where it goes from upper because of wrinkly zoomx. Now quite a few times, I have seen promotional pictures of both Alphafly proto, Volt and even the upcoming Blue ribbon edition that clearly looked to smooth to be zoomx. I'd almost put on a tinfoil hat and claim Nike is in with these new extremely high quality looking replica. They look better then the real thing and are made of EVA foam.
I cannot watch this vidoe.... nooooo, might be pigeonholed into the S tier shoes. Right now I just made it past Alphafly (06:33) and 2 candidates for S tier didnt make it to S.... wow
Since I'm non elite 🏃♂️ I find myself less & less interested in any of these pricy toys. So I would reiterate the qusetion: What are the best racing shoes for human beings (needing 3-4h to complete the marathon)? And not spending anything close to 200 credits! This sounds to be a grey area no one can handle the truth 😅 "We need nothing SUPER" 🤷♂️
@@EDDBUD I like TS 👌 but for short stuff. It's not the price that bothers me - this will drop no matter how super the shoe is. I'd like to see a guide on non-elite shoes that will do the trick on my goal 3h20 race time. I guess, taking adidas example, the new Boston 12 is just right. And TS? - risky! So a racing shoe list, excluding the hot 🔥 picks, could be an interesting battle in the midfield 😋
Is it true that the Alphafly 3 is hardly usable for running more than 4 hours because eventually your form will break down and heel striking becomes your only option?
I bought the Asics Metaspeed Sky+ recently but I get sored my Achilles tendon when running slow, warm up and cool down. Anyone has the same pain? I don't know if it happens the same with the Metaspeed Sky Paris.
@@EDDBUD Yes, I did. Over the past week, I did about 20K in them, and I think they are quite good. The only issue might be that they aren’t as stable as some other pairs. However, a major advantage for me is that they somehow prevent leg injuries that can occur after long runs. As you mentioned in YOUR review, even after a long run, I don't feel like I can't walk the next day, which has been a problem with other shoes in my experience. They are usually compared to nike alpha fly and quite often i saw other people put them on pretty much same level and I would as well. More like avarage A tier!
I'm calling it now: Tier S will be Superblast 2 😄
Very likely!
I was thinking the exact same thing
It’s not a racing shoe it’s the most overrated “training” shoe I’ve ever tried
it's not overated though. @@richshelley2922
no plate n over 40mm
So what I'm hearing is that I need to test these shoes and by test I mean buy. I'll give my gf the good (bad) news.
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Edd is my running shoe pastor and this channel the only sermon I need. 🙌🏼
Amen Brother
Just need to turn the water into isotonic drink now.
Another informative youtube golden moment, cheers Edd
I have the Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris, Nike Valorfly 3, Nike Alphafly 3, Endorphin Elite, Puma Deviate Nitro 2, Puma Fast R Nitro 2, Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro 2, Adidas Adizero Pro 3, Adidas Takumi Sen 10, Under Armour Flow Velocity Elite. My favourites for racing at the moment are the Metaspeed Sky Paris, I have my 5km PB and Marathon PB in them. My second favourite are the Nike Vaporfly 3s, which I did my PB for the 1/2 marathon and 2nd fastest times over 5km and Marathon only recently lost to the Metaspeed Sky Paris. I have tried the Wave Rebellion Pro 2 a few times and when I start running, they feel quite propulsive pushing me to run fast but my legs aren't used to them and both times I have had to stop my run early due to my legs completely seizing up. I have never had this in any other shoe on any other run, so I don't really want to wear them again. I have just purchased a pair of the Metaspeed Edge Paris, will be interesting to see how these compare to the Sky Paris, I was told these are better if you have a high cadence, my average during my 5km pb was 197spm).
Yeah they reckon the edge is more a speed/cadence type shoe. I have long old legs so need the sky really
How do you like the Edge Paris vs. the Sky Paris?
How do you like the Metaspeed Edge?!
@@witarzan unfortunately, I got sick after buying them so have not had a chance to wear them yet, I want to save them til I am fit again.
I love episodes like this...great job Eddbud!!!
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Excellent Edd, the Takumi Sen is a standout for it's intended 5/10k, but harder to choose between the others. However the Adidas Pro 3 works for me 👍
Endorphin pro and elite have been my go to! Would love to see a review of the Diadora gara carbon
Sorry i'm late i had to get some popcorn.
Love it edd!
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Can't believe you put the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 2 in the tier C section 😧 For me it's at least a tier B shoe. I ran my last two marathons with them and find no fault with them 😊 They're light, cushioned and their grip is amazing 🤩
I'm also owner of this tier c shoe and I love it. Probably cheapest shoe here - I bought them for 145€ ofc it was discount but this is less even than discounted Kiprun KD900X LD.
Love the way you keep your shoes clean for your reviews, unlike some others on the TH-cam. 1st run today in the adios pro 3, within 5k got used to the roll and love it, the right socks make all the difference with the upper fit and found the upper great, laces could do with some give like those that saucony use but a 2min off 10k pb on 1st run whoop whoop 🙌 cielo x1 I found unstable with the rear gap between midsole if land anywhere but mid foot which the shoe try’s to force you to be a mid foot runner, but as a slight lateral strike between rear and mid foot it was a wobbly beast.
There’s one or two that are a little mucky, but I like to at least try and clean them up from time to time. Thanks for tuning in 👍🏼👊
Another classic tune Ed, PE one of my favs back in the day. You’re killing it with the music interludes And the shoes are good as well 😂
Hear the drummer get wicked!
For me, after several comparison runs so far:
S: Endorphin Elite, AlphaFly 3
A: Metaspeed Edge Paris, Rocket X 2
B: Vaporfly 3, Endorphin Pro 3 (don’t have 4 yet)
C: Adios Pro 3, Deviate Nitro Elite 2, Cielo X 1
D: Wave Rebellion Pro 2
There are others I’ve tried that don’t even make it onto this tier list.
Good vid, Edd!
I'm running in the Cielo X1 for my race this weekend, the only reason is because it's a road ultra. I agree it's not really a racer for anything that needs speed but a great leg saver for ultras.
Thanks for making the list! It's very helpful in deciding what to choose for my fall marathon.
For that I can see it working out well!
sounds good for me, love the skyward x
Just started running again this past year and have put together a nice rotation. Absolutely loving the vaporfly 3 for fast work, and my AF3 pair just showed up on my porch today. Cant wait to try them, initial feel just trying them on feels fantastic. Will have to report back when i get some miles on them. The metaspeed sky paris has peaked my interest too.
Just hope yours don’t squeak as my first pair of the af3 needed some wd40!
Ive seen a lot of negative reviews on them but i do enjoy the brooks hyperion elite 4
For overall racing, list is good. Marathon specific Alphafly V3 is just amazing, just finished PB'ing by over 10mins from only last Oct 2023, and was also able to negative split by nearly 2mins. The weight reduction, new midsole profile and cutouts just are a thing of smooth and efficient awesomeness! And durability is a HUGE upgrade compared to the AF V1 and V2.
Yes I wasn’t sold early on but over time it’s become one of my favs
More live shows please 🙂
🏋🏼♂️Some tips for heavier runners. Thanks for that! 🏋🏼♂️
No problem 👍
I have most of those, what can I say, I have a shoe addiction. For me personally, the Vaporfly's for 5 and 10k's, the Alphafly's for half marathons, and the Adidas Pro 3 for marathons. Honorable mentions for the Sen 9 and Deviate nitro's though. But it's all a personal choice.
Expensive half marathan £550.. 😊
Why go with Alphafly for half but not full? Is it the heel?
I'm curious as to why you pick AF for HM and AAP3 for FM ? can you explain your reasoning and liking ? (I'm an AF1 lover and can't fathom running in anything else at the moment)
@@Lyingfigure It's all to do with the 20 mile mark and after, when my form goes. The Alphafly's feel cluncky, whilst the Pro 3 seems to be better after that point. tbf there isnt a lot between them, but I do use the Pro 3 for all my long runs (as they are more resiliant and longer lasting), so am more used to them anyway. I am also an AF1 lover, especially when on offer, but they are not the most durable shoe.
@chucky1golf here in Australia it's equivalent to 190pounds. Don't know how it's that expensive.
Supershoes I own/have owned are Nike Vaporfly 1, 2 and 3, Alphafly 1, Adidas Takumi sen 8, and Saucony Speed 2 and 3 (if you count those in).
The iterations of Vaporfly seems to be trending towards less aggressive and more stable shoes. I still use my first pair from time to time, and it still has good energy return (after 1000 miles), although of course it is quite worn and ill-looking. But it still works, which is quite impressive in comparison to how short durability they were said to should have.
I didn't like the vaporfly 2 as much, as it seemed just less bouncy without being better in other ways. Vaporfly 3 I like but haven't run enough in yet to know for sure, but I like that they have become lighter and a bit more stable. For marathon I found the earlier iterations a bit too aggressive in the rocker, so i got muscular fatigue with them after the first 1/2 of a full marathon. Don't know but I hope the vaporfly 3 is better there.
Takumi sen 8 was good, but I felt the sole was a bit unstable and uneven so when I got injured I blamed them, and got rid of them. Haven't tried adidas since (and havent needed to since there is competion for my needs in that compartment.
If we cound Saucony speed in, I really like those as a all-round shoe. I tried those at a marathon once, after giving up on the vaporfly, and they did indeed help me (i think, not scientifically) getting me much further before muscular fatigue kicked in.
Of shoes I am interested in I would say Asics metaspeed paris for shorter distances, and I could give saucony endorphin pro a try, or a new try on the latest iteration of the alphaflys. Also of course curious to see how my relatively recent pair of Vaporfly 3 will measure up when I get to try them more in races.
Endo Pro3 assisted me happily to an 18 min PB in Boston 2 yrs ago so I just purchased one of the last pairs left in my size in the last produced colorway (manufactured only last year) heavily discounted 😊 But I also have v4 and am not sure which I like best! Re Takumi Sen, I have 2 pairs of v8 and they have far better midsoles than the shoe I wore on my 1st marathon in 2018, so I could probably even run a marathon in them. I think I could certainly do a HM but haven’t had the guts to try it, especially with multiple pairs now of Endo Pro in the house.
I have just cleaned up my pair of the Metaspeed sky and Vaporfly 4% flyknit. Going to do a shoes of the past ( well recent past ) video soon. I like dipping back into the older ones!
Saucony pro 4 might be the best shoe I've owned. Seems to be able to cope with any pace but does shine the faster you go. I like the full sole with no cut outs so is quite stable and comfort maybe the best of all the racing shoes.
Ran Edinburgh marathon and really didn't think about them at all just worked.
Plenty people were wearing the new alphafly though so seems to be the most popular one.
It’s a Botham for sure
Great video! Where would you rank the Metaspeed Edge+ in this list?
Hard to say. Probaly around the a or b
For us Gen X lads that went to secondary school in the late 80s, it's really hard to define how important and mind blowing Public Enemy were. They changed the way I thought about the world, genuinely. Still do. Chuck is such a prophet.
Back on point, I really must disagree on the Takumi Sen, surely it's the perfect shoe for what it does? Versatility isn't necessarily important in every shoe, that's why I have a wide rotation. It's like a Ferrari convertible, I only bring it out on sunny race days. Great video, think I'm going to try the Endorphin pro 4, as I skipped the 3.
I got told to remove the kitchen clock from round my neck when I was a lad. I was just tying to be like flav!
great video Edd, tried quite a few of the shoes on your list and agree with the majority of your conclusions, love the Metaspeed Sky Paris and Alphafly 3 but I would put the Rocket X2 in tier A myself, love it for 5 and 10k's. Don't like the uppers of the Adidas Adios Pro 3 or Mizuno Wave Rebellion pro and agree that the VF2 was a better shoe than the VF3.
Some days the rocket hits the spot. Others not so much. It’s an odd beast!
Great video Edd. Loved listening to Public Enemy growing up. Flava Flav and that clock round his neck he always wore. Thankuchen.
He was a stickler for punctuality. 🕣
@@EDDBUD 😅😅👍
Endo Pro3 assisted me happily to an 18 min PB in Boston 2 yrs ago so I just purchased one of the last pairs left in my size in the last produced colorway (manufactured only last year) heavily discounted 😊 But I also have v4 and am not sure which I like best!
What’s the colorway called?
Fortunately my foot is not narrow so my Pro 3’s fit well, looking forward to the Pro 4. Overall, I reach for the Adidas over my vapor fly’s , just like them better.
Ed you knew exactly the video I was looking for!
Enjoy!
The Wave Rebellion is an interesting show, it's very consistent. I think if it works for a person, it could easily be B tier.
I reckon the adios pro evo 1 are going to hit that top spot this year
Ha ha ha.. My favourite are the Cielo X1 and Mizuno wave Rebellion Pro V1. I am a heel striker and slow runner but the Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro V1 is perfect for me 🎉
Glad it’s hitting the spot!
Love a good tier list. Nice one Edd.
Glad you enjoyed
I will keep an eye out for the Endorphin Pro 4. Hopefully, it will come on sale, if not for EOFY, at least for Black Friday/Cyber Monday near the end of the year. I have so many carbon plated race shoes there is no urgency to purchase. Thank goodness.
Love the Rocket X2, raced in 5k,15k, and 1/2. Would like to try Adidas Pro 3 Fit is big concern
Glad those hit the spot for you. Felt like a good cruiser for longer races to me
Nice pile of shoes. So, which one for midfoot to heel striker with decent width toebox?
There are few with much width up front. The Adios pro 3 is best suited for mid/heel.
I prefer the endorphin pro 3 and cielo x1 as a trainer for long runs. The ASICS sky and edge and vapor fly were all to unstable for me as I had ankle roll. Adios pro 3 upper and heal stitching was bad. I agree on the saucony elite it's a decent shoe but not a tier. The alpha fly is just a mid tier for me too.
Mizuno in D is a bit harsh. I get that its not a shoe that fits every runner. But as a mid foot striker I do enjoy the shoe a lot. Grate value for the price, and its currently the shoe that I hold my half marathon pb in. So its quite fast as well.
I do think I was too harsh. Though had some mixed runs in that one
I like a premier
Gold!
Great video ! If you could make tier lists for other categories it would be great ! Thank you
Will do!
Great content again. Cheer🎉
Thank you! Cheers!
Edd, could you make a non plated or supertrainer race alternative list, for people who either dont want a super carbon plate or cant afford it?
That’s a rather good idea! Will get on it. Foul outside so gives me an excuse to run later 🤣👍🏼
Just about to buy new race shoes. Thx 🙂
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Hi. What do you think about the Asics magic speed 4, please??. Like to EDDBUD. Have a good day.
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Dankeschön! Sharp and quick info, perfect 👌🏼
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Algocomm 4 Eddbud !
Ran my first marathon yesterday in the Cielo X1. They felt amazing right to the end and looked after my feet and legs well. Which is saying something given it was 28C in Stockholm and the rest of my body was miserable from about 3k onwards 😅
That’s some heat!
What’s the fastest shoe for a 5k?
Maybe the origina Vaporfly or Takumi sen 10
Got to put the shoe to the surface your running on. Seeing almost as many people on canals pathways than on roads 👍
The soft foam isn’t much use for that. Most of these super shoes are aimed at road or concrete.
Would love to hear your all time raceday shoe opinions! Where do older race day shoes place on this list?
Maybe a previous version list??? 👍🏼
@@EDDBUD would love that! Maybe the adios pro 2, the alphafly 1, vaporfly 1 and two etc, would love to see how they stack up to the modern day!
Nice job Edd, If i have to select only one from category A for Race days/ Long runs, which one would you recommend ? I heard a lot about Saucony being the best running brand, but this reputation have disappeared after the raise of social media
The pro 4 from Saucony is a good do it all super shoe. So is that Puma deviate nitro elite 3 though
thank you! more powers to you!
Welcome!
The Endorphin Elite segment was pure gold 😂
I always find out about my chickens life before I select it at the restaurant. Now that’s a very niche Portlandia joke. 🤣👍🏼
No table wine in this list, these are simply vin ordinaire 🍷
Bain murie
You have to try the Under Armour Velociti elite 2.
Trying to get a pair for review 👍🏼
Not having anything in the top tier is puzzling me a little, not sure why it's there if you're not using it 🤔
As tier lists always have the s tier. Nothing right now is perfect though.
Alphafly v1, the rest as training shoes
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Ed, thanks for another great video. I am starting training for a marathon in Jan 2025. What sets of shoes would yo recommend? I started running again only recently for this endeavor. I am on Asics gel Cumulus 25s. They have been pretty comfortable for my first stints of just 5k.
Grab a Superblast. You won’t be sorry
Regarding great reviews - I maybe will have to look at the endorphin pro 4 and finally did sneak a pair of AF3 into the house. With the SEP4, is the fit like the Metaspeed sky? Btw, I saw Public Enemy (Fear of a Black Planet album tour as a teenager talking about my age! - Great show and controversial at the same time. I also thought your 80's obscure music call out might have been The Fall or The KLF/Timelords Doctorin' the Tardis. 😂
I recall some mad KLF money burning stunt at some point!
Yes, they set £1M on fire as a stunt!
Alphafly V3 is definitely not a hit for me...doesn't have the bounce and squish of V1.. the forefoot and pods don't squish and rebound anything like V1..I will work with it some more..definitely not a 1/2 or full marathon shoe..V1 and V2 were race ready out of the box..V3 is much worse than the previous versions..
Hello!
Have you ever had an "S" shoe or are you still waiting ? I guess as I keep going back to the Vaporfly 1 that would have to be mine at least in recent years.
I think the Vaporfly 4% flyknit or original next% are top
@@EDDBUD Ah yes the 4% was a real game changer even a size down for me as they never did a UK 13 in them. I've given up getting 12s now like say in the Metaspeeds.
Superb video as always!!👏🏽💯⭐️ I guess my ‘S’ shoe is the Alphafly 1. Had a few pairs and nothing since has felt as good on my feet. Still train on occasion with a couple of older war scarred pairs 🙌🏽
Define the categories from S to D! Please
S is top. D isn’t great
After my Vaporfly V2 lost the pop at around 100 miles I decided not to get V3.. Looks new but midsole flat like a pitta.
I like this one much more than the v2. Way lighter
Hello to everyone from Russia! In connection with this terrible war, we runners have been blocked from all access to normal running shoes, alas. Websites with stores are blocked, and the largest stores, such as Nike and Adidas, have left the market.
I have Nike Vaporfly 1, 2, 3 in my collection. There is also Endorphin pro4, and Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 1, 2. I wear Nike Vaporfly 3 for the marathon, I think they are the softest. At the half marathon - Puma Deviate Nitro Elite2 - they are very responsive and push well!
Let’s hope things get back to peace soon and we can unite as runners.
Ah yes all great shoes just one problem i can't afford it
The Adios pro 3 is discounted heavily here at times
Decided to buy an only once used Volt AF3 for €200 shipped. Looks brand new. Should arrive any day now. Literally more then half of these bring sold used are counterfeit. Really need to watch out for details. The zoomx paint of the nike logo looks way better on the fakes. It's the main giveaway of them being a replica.
Gotta get the poor paint versions 🤣👍🏼
@@EDDBUD Yeah sad but true. Something funky is going on with the replica's of the AF3 and Nike's official promotions. See, every AF has cracks in the paint on the Nike logo where it goes from upper because of wrinkly zoomx. Now quite a few times, I have seen promotional pictures of both Alphafly proto, Volt and even the upcoming Blue ribbon edition that clearly looked to smooth to be zoomx.
I'd almost put on a tinfoil hat and claim Nike is in with these new extremely high quality looking replica. They look better then the real thing and are made of EVA foam.
@@davidh5429 They seem to go after some replica makers and not others
Adidas adios Pro 3 Amazing shoe. I am the only one who think the upper in great 🎉
Glad it works for you! It’s those front loops just don’t quite work for me
Just run 10km PB -2min in Vaporfly 2 I bought on Ebay 😂
The v2 was a good one. Loved my proto pair.
Would you reccomend takumi sen 10 or metaspeed sky paris for 5k xc?
Does Alphafly 3 work for heavier runner (90 kg)?
Don’t see why not
Wave rebellion pro got 98% "the closest shoe to perfect" you have ever reviewed got a D
Just hasn’t met my expectations long term. I’m allowed to change my mind!
Maybe I missed the video (if so apologies) but did you ever get round to making a video covering the overall Asics line up?
I have to be honest. I can’t remember!
AF3 definitely felt like some sort of heavy clog when I tried it. Felt like a weeble….
Remember they never fell down though!
@@EDDBUD exactly! Lean forward slightly, roll forward. Lean back slightly, roll back. Proper weeble stuff 😆
what do you think about diadora gara carboon ?
Sadly I’ve not had a chance to test that or even see it!
Point of Inquiry Edd: is this not a channel of enthusiasts? I would state that it is. 🤣
It absolutely is. 🤣👍🏼
yo
Silver for the collection
What would you recommend for a marathon on gravel? The Endorphin Pro 4 or Adios 3?
Either to be honest. Those are out and out road shoes. Maybe the peg trail 5 or the asics Fuji speed?
Where is the New Balance Elite 4?????
Haven’t tested it
No New Balance SuperComp Elite V4?
Haven’t tried it
U missed TYR Valkyrie Elite Carbon!
I cannot watch this vidoe.... nooooo, might be pigeonholed into the S tier shoes.
Right now I just made it past Alphafly (06:33) and 2 candidates for S tier didnt make it to S.... wow
Nothing is that perfect right now
Alpha number 1 adidas pro number 2 and my daily trainer. Im disappointed bud on horrible
Since I'm non elite 🏃♂️
I find myself less & less interested in any of these pricy toys.
So I would reiterate the qusetion:
What are the best racing shoes for human beings (needing 3-4h to complete the marathon)?
And not spending anything close to 200 credits!
This sounds to be a grey area no one can handle the truth 😅
"We need nothing SUPER" 🤷♂️
Not sure I agree. Shoes like the Takumi sen 8 or 9 are often less than 100 quid
@@EDDBUD I like TS 👌 but for short stuff. It's not the price that bothers me - this will drop no matter how super the shoe is.
I'd like to see a guide on non-elite shoes that will do the trick on my goal 3h20 race time.
I guess, taking adidas example, the new Boston 12 is just right. And TS? - risky!
So a racing shoe list, excluding the hot 🔥 picks, could be an interesting battle in the midfield 😋
Where do you position the Adios Pro 3 here?
It’s early on in the video
Love my saucony pro 3 but I ran Stockholm marathon last weekend and I could have used a shoe with more cushion. Any suggestions? I am 84 kg
The pro 3 was quite squashy. Maybe something with more resilience? Superblast?
@@EDDBUD I have the Superblast and halfway I really wanted them on my feet:) when racing it’s more fun to run in carbon shoes
Is it true that the Alphafly 3 is hardly usable for running more than 4 hours because eventually your form will break down and heel striking becomes your only option?
Not at all. It’s fine
@@EDDBUD thanks
No New Balance?
Haven’t tried the new fuelcell as it’s the same upper as that rebel v4
What's the difference between the Sen 10 is the SL2 (I think I got that right)?
No energy rods and no continental rubber. Plus a foam around the lightstrike pro on the sl2
@@EDDBUD thank you for that. I'll check out more of your videos on SL2, they sound awesome.
1. Alphafly 3
2. Alphafly 3
3. Alphafly 3
A solid list 🤣👍🏼
Is it wider than alphafly 1?
@@randenlewis152
It’s about a half size longer.
And just a wee wider.
I bought the Asics Metaspeed Sky+ recently but I get sored my Achilles tendon when running slow, warm up and cool down. Anyone has the same pain? I don't know if it happens the same with the Metaspeed Sky Paris.
Not had that issue myself. Any viewers?
Best widefoot option?
None are what I call wide friendly. All narrow.
@@EDDBUD Thank you
I dont agree with placement of hokas the review you have dont as well doesnt seem like D-tier
Have you tried them?
@@EDDBUD Yes, I did. Over the past week, I did about 20K in them, and I think they are quite good. The only issue might be that they aren’t as stable as some other pairs. However, a major advantage for me is that they somehow prevent leg injuries that can occur after long runs. As you mentioned in YOUR review, even after a long run, I don't feel like I can't walk the next day, which has been a problem with other shoes in my experience. They are usually compared to nike alpha fly and quite often i saw other people put them on pretty much same level and I would as well. More like avarage A tier!
Saucony pro 4 not great. 3 way better. They took a step back . Just as nike did with alpha 1 to 2.
Not sure I agree. Really like the updates on the v4
Lol that vacant S tier!
Nothing is perfect. Yet. 🤣👍🏼
What about the Metaspeed Edge.... I'm still thinking about maybe buying it...
Still not managed to get a pair
how no S? :)
Nothing perfect right now.
Stream today?
Looking at Sunday for a stream
@@EDDBUD What time?
@@EDDBUD Bruh