What do you guys think about adjusting outrigers on the working side with the boom fully extended 90degrees from the truck.Adjusting i mean getting them higher because a little sinking in the ground.Should the boom be brought back close to the truck before doing something like that ?
@@hankrum1toni This is a great question and discussion topic. My opinion: if the ground conditions are a relatively layer of loose soil on top I am comfortable with a slight bit of settlement from compaction and would monitor accordingly but more likely tighten up the outriggers on my non-working side to take up any play in the setup. If the ground is seemingly firm yet the pads still sink (even just slightly) is a huge red flag for me, especially if cracking/fault lines appear in the ground near my dunnage. In this case, I’m bringing in the boom and outriggers to build larger dunnage, or likely even just moving the machine to different setup location. In either situation, jacking fully loaded outriggers on the working side of the machine gives my stomach a sinking feeling. Once that top layer/crust of hard ground begins to let go, it can be game over. I myself I’m not a fan of doing so. Once again, thank you for a GREAT comment. These are the types of discussion us pump operators need to have more frequently. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Olá boa tarde tudo bem eu estou gostando bastante dos seus vídeos me parece que vcs tem uma das melhores máquinas para betão já e bastante eficaz parabéns
I appreciate that. These rigs definitely get the job done, but there are some more advanced pieces of equipment we could implement to make things much easier on ourselves.
Tracked spyder would've been the ticket imho, as long as the deck was rated for the weight. Just ran one yesterday, 16m z, for my first time. Controls are backwards from muscle memory, but all in all, a very viable option
@@greghughey9738 so funny you should mention it, a buddy of hours actually has a ConFoms 16Z track-mounted spyder. We may look into using it for when we come back to pour the topping slab here.
I was thinking the same thing with this pour. We definitely need to figure something out for future pours like this. Most of us pump operators ain’t getting any younger, and dragging hose around all day like this doesn’t add any years to our expected longevity in the trade.
@@mikeklein318 That chemical slump just gets eaten up in the line. It wasn’t setting to crazy fast, despite how miserable it looked coming out the discharge end. I swore I’d never get a drone, now that I have one and am becoming more comfortable with using it, boy oh boy does it ever provide a great perspective with regards to the overall scope of what we’re doing on these larger job sites.
@@bekimtvrtkovic3244 typically with our mixes we don’t see the links working so hard through this amount of 3.5” hose. There’s definitely some 4” steel pipe in the cards for when we come back here to pour the topping slab 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I remember many years back. At the dinner table with my dad and outta no where he says. Bullshit we’re gonna charge for every dam inch of hose we F-ing use from now on
@@user-zr7ii9lh3j LOL!!!!! The same conclusion we have just now come to. With the cost of pipes/hoses/clamps damn near doubling in the last 5 years, and the quality/life expectancy being less than half of what it used to, something’s gotta give. Your dad is a smart man indeed! 👌
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 Yes he was. I remember thinking. Dads mad. When I asked he said. Remember the old car we had. It got hit. Beat with a hammer and get back to driving. It was a good old car. Made to last. Your mom’s new car hit the pole and airbags went off and it cost 25k to fix. Well the hoses used to be good now there shit. Sadly it’s very true. Prices have went up but quality has went down. People don’t understand. We’re not actually making more money. We’re using it to keep up with new equipment because it’s not what it used to be
I've used line dragons for similar pours with 4inch line and they are quite capable but the gaping and height might be a bit of an issue with that particular pour
@@canadianconcretepumper1979I did a job where they had a few guys running around with the line dragons sticking sheets of plywood down so the dragons stayed on top of the double matted bar
@@yotaforlife8408 sounds like a bit of a PIA. Between that, and having the couple of guys to operate them, I’m guessing labour savings would have been slim to none?
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 ya it was a bit of a show but it was a thick pad so it really wasn't a fast move around anyway. It was transfer slab for an apartment building
Dragons wouldnt be very effective up there with the gap in the rebar and how far off the deck it is. Would have to have dedicated guys to just push the dragons when they got stuck.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 that would be very nice. Some dragon pours ive spent more time getting dragons unstuck with the little tires then actually pumping concrete. I would like to see one of those ConForm tracked spyder booms going on something like that. Good work by your crew.
We charge $1 a foot after 150'. How much did those dragon eggs cost you? Don't you guys only run putzmeisters? Do you have a video of your whole fleet? That and a shop tour video would be nice to see.
@@jamessomero3617 normally we’ll pump our mixes through this much 3.5”hose with the pressure gauge reading only half of what it is here. We don’t see much 4” hose around here because guys simply can’t/won’t deal with it. Next pour we’ll likely just run a bunch of 4” steel pipe and break off as we go. Today’s market they’re going to have to bite the bullet and go the route of line dragons or track mounted spyder boom. The willing and able bodies just don’t exist to deal with this anymore. We have a hard enough time finding guys to deal with the hours of pumping easy jobs. Pours like this just give them more inactive to go drive ready mix for close to the same wage. I agree though, 4” system would have been WAY easier on the machines.
@@greghughey9738 so there’s a local outfit here whom says they are very close to approval on a 63M Putz and/or 65M Schwing. Honestly, for us, the 56Z is a much more versatile pump size (especially with that new “full-flex” coming into play). With all the terrain we have encounter, these heavier 7 axles pump units just begin to cannibalize themselves after a few years of service.
@canadianconcretepumper1979 65m Schwing is UNGODLY heavy. The 63z still gives the options for short rig setups, unlike the 65m. I def follow, the big 60s are a big effort to keep on the road, but those 3 tier swing out outriggers are a god send
@@kencleopas4392 We just make the best of what they provide us with. That concrete actually tests out at an 8” slump going into the pump, unfortunately it’s down to about a 4” at the discharge end of the hose .
@@kencleopas4392 it’s not so much that it’s setting fast, but more so that once being pumped (put under pressure) the slump changes drastically due to the amount of chemical being used in the concrete. Concrete slumped with water typically does not incur such drastic changes in slump.
Funny I was watching the video and looking at the three guys on the hose thinking you need more and then you mentioned it lack of man power. That and they probably were doing a 5 sack mix to cut down on the price. Build back better 🤣🤣
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What do you guys think about adjusting outrigers on the working side with the boom fully extended 90degrees from the truck.Adjusting i mean getting them higher because a little sinking in the ground.Should the boom be brought back close to the truck before doing something like that ?
@@hankrum1toni This is a great question and discussion topic.
My opinion: if the ground conditions are a relatively layer of loose soil on top I am comfortable with a slight bit of settlement from compaction and would monitor accordingly but more likely tighten up the outriggers on my non-working side to take up any play in the setup.
If the ground is seemingly firm yet the pads still sink (even just slightly) is a huge red flag for me, especially if cracking/fault lines appear in the ground near my dunnage. In this case, I’m bringing in the boom and outriggers to build larger dunnage, or likely even just moving the machine to different setup location.
In either situation, jacking fully loaded outriggers on the working side of the machine gives my stomach a sinking feeling. Once that top layer/crust of hard ground begins to let go, it can be game over. I myself I’m not a fan of doing so.
Once again, thank you for a GREAT comment. These are the types of discussion us pump operators need to have more frequently. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 thank you for the answer. Great videos
@@hankrum1toni Thanks brother. I much appreciate you watching and contributing in the comments 🙏🙏🙏
Merci ☺️
I’m so amazed at the amount of work, construction , build out that is going on in your A.O. You folks are truly fortunate 👍
@@Will-ll4gv it amazes me as well. So much money in this town, just no one I know has any of it 😂😂😂
Means nothing. There are constructions and huge projects everywhere in Paris yet the country is getting poorer every day
Hell yeah that would be a good place for Scott I'm surprised you already haven't bought one😅
@@user-ng2mt2yr1t Definitely would be interested in trying one out. We have a good bit of work in which it could come in real handy.
Saw the listing on usedconcretepumps, sign on to TH-cam and here’s the video! Awesome, can’t wait to see the replacement!
@@derkaderka5910 I’m VERY excited about what we have in mind as the replacement. Just gotta work on getting this one sold first 😁😁😁
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 I hope you’ve been dealing with the boys in aldergrove😁
@@derkaderka5910 the are most always in the conversation when we are shopping new iron. 😁😁😁
Very excited to see the new 63m RZ in action with your fleet 😜🙌🏼
@@mattdupuis4838 63Z is unfortunately not permit-able for our local roads here (weight).
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 interesting I am very curious to see what the Canadian concrete pumper has in mind as a replacement.
@@mattdupuis4838 nothing finalized yet, bet we have something VERY interesting at the top of our list 😁
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 60m 6 section 🚀
gotta hit 'em with the front lat spread 🤣
Side tricep pose is the go-to! 😁
Olá boa tarde tudo bem eu estou gostando bastante dos seus vídeos me parece que vcs tem uma das melhores máquinas para betão já e bastante eficaz parabéns
I appreciate that. These rigs definitely get the job done, but there are some more advanced pieces of equipment we could implement to make things much easier on ourselves.
Tracked spyder would've been the ticket imho, as long as the deck was rated for the weight. Just ran one yesterday, 16m z, for my first time. Controls are backwards from muscle memory, but all in all, a very viable option
@@greghughey9738 so funny you should mention it, a buddy of hours actually has a ConFoms 16Z track-mounted spyder. We may look into using it for when we come back to pour the topping slab here.
Line Dragons work really well on wire mesh.
I was thinking the same thing with this pour. We definitely need to figure something out for future pours like this. Most of us pump operators ain’t getting any younger, and dragging hose around all day like this doesn’t add any years to our expected longevity in the trade.
Now you got a new whip hose. 😅. Also isn't lafarge plant just a mile down the road? They should be lined up the road waiting for you
@@ThePorkchop81 Yes, literally like one mile, lol!!! Busy day in town though, plant proximity only goes so far I suppose.
I like arial shot gives u how large and the distance of the job is the concrete comming out of the line looks like its ready to go off.
@@mikeklein318 That chemical slump just gets eaten up in the line. It wasn’t setting to crazy fast, despite how miserable it looked coming out the discharge end.
I swore I’d never get a drone, now that I have one and am becoming more comfortable with using it, boy oh boy does it ever provide a great perspective with regards to the overall scope of what we’re doing on these larger job sites.
Dragons are mint, and we are definitely charging for hose by the ft
im napping till 4
Scott topperr greetings from holland amsterdam the best 😂👊👍🇳🇱👊
Lol that makes it a "Cement crane"😂😂😂
@@greghughey9738 Soooo…. does that mean it’s made out of cement??? 🤔🤔🤔
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 lmfao 🤣
You should run some steel pipe much easier for push and rubber on end 👍
@@bekimtvrtkovic3244 typically with our mixes we don’t see the links working so hard through this amount of 3.5” hose. There’s definitely some 4” steel pipe in the cards for when we come back here to pour the topping slab 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I remember many years back. At the dinner table with my dad and outta no where he says. Bullshit we’re gonna charge for every dam inch of hose we F-ing use from now on
@@user-zr7ii9lh3j LOL!!!!! The same conclusion we have just now come to. With the cost of pipes/hoses/clamps damn near doubling in the last 5 years, and the quality/life expectancy being less than half of what it used to, something’s gotta give.
Your dad is a smart man indeed! 👌
@@canadianconcretepumper1979
Yes he was. I remember thinking. Dads mad. When I asked he said. Remember the old car we had. It got hit. Beat with a hammer and get back to driving. It was a good old car. Made to last. Your mom’s new car hit the pole and airbags went off and it cost 25k to fix. Well the hoses used to be good now there shit.
Sadly it’s very true. Prices have went up but quality has went down. People don’t understand. We’re not actually making more money. We’re using it to keep up with new equipment because it’s not what it used to be
@@user-zr7ii9lh3j it’s so true. If we’d adjusted our pricing in accordance with inflation, we’d be charging $10 per yard instead of $3-$4
very good
I've used line dragons for similar pours with 4inch line and they are quite capable but the gaping and height might be a bit of an issue with that particular pour
@@yotaforlife8408 so that was my concern as well.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979I did a job where they had a few guys running around with the line dragons sticking sheets of plywood down so the dragons stayed on top of the double matted bar
@@yotaforlife8408 sounds like a bit of a PIA. Between that, and having the couple of guys to operate them, I’m guessing labour savings would have been slim to none?
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 ya it was a bit of a show but it was a thick pad so it really wasn't a fast move around anyway. It was transfer slab for an apartment building
Skid pans are just as good for mesh
One word...... INSANE.
Dragons wouldnt be very effective up there with the gap in the rebar and how far off the deck it is. Would have to have dedicated guys to just push the dragons when they got stuck.
@@CPT_Bok_CHOY almost wishing they had a version on tracks.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 that would be very nice. Some dragon pours ive spent more time getting dragons unstuck with the little tires then actually pumping concrete. I would like to see one of those ConForm tracked spyder booms going on something like that. Good work by your crew.
How is the pumping work sold to the client? Dollars per cubic yards pumped?
Dude, you call that an egg, I think snake snack is a better description 😄
@@Will-ll4gv Lol!!! The “Snake-snack”…. got a damn nice ring to it!!!
Sir I have experience 18 years boom pump operator and mantinans
We charge $1 a foot after 150'. How much did those dragon eggs cost you?
Don't you guys only run putzmeisters? Do you have a video of your whole fleet? That and a shop tour video would be nice to see.
Are there any pumps that use an auger screw instead of piston pumps for pumping?
Why not 4 inch line less strain on pump
@@jamessomero3617 normally we’ll pump our mixes through this much 3.5”hose with the pressure gauge reading only half of what it is here. We don’t see much 4” hose around here because guys simply can’t/won’t deal with it. Next pour we’ll likely just run a bunch of 4” steel pipe and break off as we go.
Today’s market they’re going to have to bite the bullet and go the route of line dragons or track mounted spyder boom. The willing and able bodies just don’t exist to deal with this anymore. We have a hard enough time finding guys to deal with the hours of pumping easy jobs. Pours like this just give them more inactive to go drive ready mix for close to the same wage.
I agree though, 4” system would have been WAY easier on the machines.
Getting a new big boom ?
Time to bribe a weighmaster and get a 63z???? I'll start a gofundme if you're serious ❤❤
@@greghughey9738 so there’s a local outfit here whom says they are very close to approval on a 63M Putz and/or 65M Schwing. Honestly, for us, the 56Z is a much more versatile pump size (especially with that new “full-flex” coming into play). With all the terrain we have encounter, these heavier 7 axles pump units just begin to cannibalize themselves after a few years of service.
@canadianconcretepumper1979 65m Schwing is UNGODLY heavy. The 63z still gives the options for short rig setups, unlike the 65m. I def follow, the big 60s are a big effort to keep on the road, but those 3 tier swing out outriggers are a god send
Why are you pumping concrete with a slump of 4" - 6" , that's so sticky. Not a pump design concrete
@@kencleopas4392 We just make the best of what they provide us with. That concrete actually tests out at an 8” slump going into the pump, unfortunately it’s down to about a 4” at the discharge end of the hose .
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 Do you test on site? Or just at the plant?
@@kencleopas4392 All testing is done on site.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 that's some fast setting concrete
@@kencleopas4392 it’s not so much that it’s setting fast, but more so that once being pumped (put under pressure) the slump changes drastically due to the amount of chemical being used in the concrete. Concrete slumped with water typically does not incur such drastic changes in slump.
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Funny I was watching the video and looking at the three guys on the hose thinking you need more and then you mentioned it lack of man power. That and they probably were doing a 5 sack mix to cut down on the price. Build back better 🤣🤣
Lol!!!!! You’re not far off. 😂😂😂