The Plot Holes of Code Geass Season 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
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Several of these are opinions and preferences, not plot holes.
Relisten to the first 10 seconds
I was saying some of those things when I recently rewatched code geass lol
i agree with almost anything, i think it went mostly wrong on the first half of the season it's so inconsistent,the second half was enough good tough but i would have preferred that the last episode of season 1 they would have went in another direction and just changed completely the first half of s2. i think kallen is one of the best pilot top 3 atleast but yeah like i have said earlier the fist half is a bit of a mess,and messed up with kallen true "power level", i just read a comment under thta said that they changed production and after i read that comment i'm sure that the first part of the second season should have not be like that
Holy damn this makes me angry, i remember some of these
Tl;dr: For every valid complaint in this video there are at least 2 that are either wrong factually or penalize a character for acting like themselves rather than off perfect reasoning. It's like you put together a list in 5 minutes months after having watched the show.
Kallen Is very conflicted in the confrontation with Lelouch at the end of S1. After she ran away she was able to better decide what she wanted to do. There is nothing even remotely weak about that writing.
Lelouch Saying he can't lie to his sister is directly after her asking if it's him. He is not saying he could never lie to her.
Why are we pretending like Shirley is going to do a cost benefit analysis before running back into the building? The stuff leading in definitely could have been better, but none of it breaches her logic as a character. They probably should have had her seek out rolo and have a reason for that to happen.
Lelouch Continues to lie to suzaku Because he doesn't think excuses will work and he still feels guilty. He is specifically appealing to their friendship, & offering to go down to save his sister.
The decoy ship excuse was lazy but it's not a retcon. Code geass does not work off a manga and this entire story was planned out before the episodes came out.
Cornilia's Character change was not particularly well done But I imagine having learned lelouch's brainwashing killed her, that a royal is the one who killed her, & that euphemia's only wish was to make the japanese people happy left an impact.
How on earth is living as a mindslave "being let off easy?"
Giving the emperor a motive that was supernatural explains a lot about his lack of presence. Aside from that your understanding of the themes is terrible. If anything , the central theme of code geass is that everyone has something to fight for and using those feelings to perpetuate violence is easy. Lelouch didn't seek to end racism, he used it to gather allies in her personal revenge. He used people's love for each other to get soldiers.
None of them are wrong factually. You're just writing headcannon for the story with Kallen. What event caused her to be at peace with Zero after having a mental breakdown over him? You don't know because the writers never tried to tell us. That alone is bad writing. Plus, she had no logical reason to be conflicted, esp considering the fact that she was fine killing innocents in the landslide for Zero's cause.
With Lelouch, you're making up stuff again. You say "Lelouch Saying he can't lie to his sister is directly after her asking if it's him." Why wouldn't he be able to lie if "He is not saying he could never lie to her." That doesn't make sense. If he can lie to her, then wouldn't he logically lie to her?
Season 1 Episode 3, 12:30. After promising to eat 1000 needles if he lies.
English "Don't you worry. I'll never lie. I swear" (in his head) "Not to you anyway."
Japanese "Its okay. I'm not lying." (in his head) "Not to you at least."
In season 1, Lelouch says he would never lie to Nunally, but then does so anyway. Suzaku calls out the fact he lied to nunnally in the s1 finale. In season 2 on the call, Lelouch specifically thinks "I can't lie to nunnally." (both eng and jap) Suzaku knows that's his weakness, which is why he set that trap. Except the writers forgot he already lied to her by the end of season 1. Yet you had the audacity accused me of not remembering the show.
@@RedCornix What in Shirley's history makes you think that she'd suddenly play super hero? What's your excuse for the guards, who were told to protect her, not protecting her? You're treating her like she's a dumb child.
Your excuses for Lelouch are embarrassing. You're trying to fill in gaps the writers left with fanfiction instead of admitting that a genius is acting illogical for plot reasons.
You don't understand what a retcon is. Retcons have nothing to do with adaptations between manga and anime.
You're fan-writing for Cornelia as well. The fact that you have to make up justifications that aren't actually in the story shows that there's a problem in the writing.
Cornelia got let off easy. As for Schneizel, it depends on how you interpret the geass order because the story doesn't show us his aftermath. He said "you shall serve Zero" and Schneizel shot someone for Lelouch, who wasn't dressed as Zero. So either when Lelouch died, he was freed, or he had to serve Suzaku as Zero. The last time we see him, I can't see a red glow in his eyes, so I'd go with the latter.
"Giving the emperor a motive that was supernatural explains a lot about his lack of presence" Then obviously he shouldn't have been given this goal and should have been present. Stabbing yourself and then stitching it shouldn't be praised. You shouldn't stab yourself to begin with. I have 2 entire videos dissecting the themes, so you don't know what you're talking about.
@@YumesukeSutashika Many of them are wrong factually.
I invite you or anyone to go back and watch the scene. Nothing about Kallen's decisions in it look definitive. She's having a breakdown. We don't know how she came to her decision, but she did. Could be any number of rationalizations but she clearly did. It isn't good that we didn't see it but it's easy enough to infer that her motivations outweighed her problems.
"He would never lie" isn't what it is in Japanese. It is simply that "he can't" directly after she asks "If it's really him." It's understandable that he can't because previously Lelouch has acted irrationally in regards to his sister. There is enough ambiguity in the line that taking the meaning "never" as implicit in it is wrong.
the 12:30 example is in reference to the promise they just made. Specifically for a gentler world after he's contemplated being abandoned by everyone else. The subtext seems obvious & as you said, he regularly lies to her about his activities so he is unlikely to literally believe it as never.
He didn't say "never" in the japanese version. The grammar is an ambiguous "can't" attached to the word "lie." So your last paragraph loses it's point.
You seem better versed in this series than I assumed. Shame it doesn't come through in the video.
@@YumesukeSutashika Most people would brave a burning building for their loved one, especially if they thought they could help. Shirley had finally settled on what she'd wanted to do. She lacks any character traits that would prevent her from going into the building. The guards were protecting, not detaining her. It is a convenience that she was positioned in a way that made pursuing her hard, & that she ran into rolo after. The Rolo thing is bad, the escape is debatable.
You've written fanfiction on my position, which is far more sad. Especially since i didn't make it up. Lelouch's guilt isn't in question, argue that if you wanna look dumb. Suzaku identifies that Lelouch is lying and compares it to his own situation. Suzaku could just be wrong, but the implication is that for a reason the writer knows and the audience can infer, Lelouch is maintaining the lie rather than trying to explain what happened. And since Lelouch has resigned his fate to Suzaku it is fair to assume he's made peace with being the villain.
You don't understand what a retcon requires. A retcon requires the world be in one state, then be changed after the fact. This requires part of the story to be written and released & then another part comes out that contradicts it. Nunnally's "death" and return were a few episodes apart. The author failed to properly convey the story, but this is not a retcon. You could have at least conceded this semantic argument, but I appreciate you digging in those heels.
Last scene I've found is him next to nannully and Suzaku in the Zero getup during Kallen's end monologue. He has the red glow, though it would be hard to see with bad resolution.
The emperor would be a problem if Code Geass were hurting for antagonists and roadblocks for Lelouch. It doesn't. There are versions of this where the Emperor is more of & a better character but there is no hole needing to be filled by him.
I've written Theses on themes & every other element of media for college papers. I don't care that you made youtube videos that only you had to be impressed with. You don't have anywhere near the authority to tell anyone, let alone me, if they know what they're talking about. Even if you did, it doesn't help when you're wrong.
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Shinta Reviews just did a massive review series on Code Geass covering almost every relevant aspect of the franchise. Something he mentioned in the video on R2 is that there was a change in production that made them split the show into two seasons as opposed to one continuous run they'd originally planned for, which led them to throw out the original outline they'd written for the story.
Does anyone know what was in the original outline?
@@YumesukeSutashika Sadly that info is sparse on the internet. The Zero Requiem ending was supposedly the only part of R2's story that was planned from the get go, as the writers intended Code Geass to be tragedy from the start (in part because they'd originally written it as a loose adaptation of Shakespeare's Hamlet). One thing Shinta revealed in his review was an earlier version of the confrontation between Lelouch, Suzaku and Kallen at the end of R1, where Kallen decides to trust Lelouch fully and doesn't abandon him after seeing him shoot Suzaku, with Suzaku only surviving due to the live command Lelouch placed on him earlier. The script for this earlier version of that episode is labeled episode 26, which is R2 episode 1's place in the watch order, suggesting the episode was moved up due to the production change.
@@thedothackerkeyblademasterEpisode 26 sounds significantly better than what we got
Lmfao that guy had a terrible review on Code Geass in all honesty. The stuff about the production change is exaggerated bull shit as the creators confirmed nothing major was changed besides colors of the animation
@@YumesukeSutashikait was pretty much the same thing as r2. Ofc there was different execution of the concept but they thought this was better result and they stand correct, the og idea by director was just having show lelouch as a prisoner in a buncker.
Supernatural elements have always been a part of Code Geass and its themes. If you don't understand this, then that's your problem. Although, what can we say if you define “the fight against racism” as one of the themes of the series, although it is about something else altogether. Lord, can a video about Code Geass be made by a person who really understands it, and doesn’t concentrate only on the parts that are convenient for themselves?
Your ability to understand Code Geass or my video is disappointing. The fight against Britanians racism against the Japanese people and how it connects to telology vs deontology is one of the core focuses of the story. If you don't want to call it "racism," that's fine, but don't play dumb and act like you don't know what I'm talking about. And like I said, the supernatural only ever enhanced ideas like these in most of the show. The supernatural by itself was never the focus, until the section with the Sword of Akasha in Season 2.
@@YumesukeSutashika This is called imperialism... And racism is not in the first place here. Britain oppresses other peoples primarily because of the right of the winner.
The mystical line is directly related to the theme of masks and geass as such. This thin thread runs through the entire series, periodically attracting attention to itself. Charles himself with his pln is literally the embodiment of the imperialist-fascist vision of the world.
@@alexeychubarov5875 I could argue over the fact that you could call it "racism" and "imperialism", but doesn't really matter. The problem is that you knew what I was talking about but chose to pretend like you didn't just so you could discredit me. There are several ways you could've known. You could have known through common sense. You could've known through me calling Cornelia racist towards Japanese as 2:40. You could've known by watching the previous videos in my series because I imply that there are multiple parts at 0:12. You knew I was talking about Japanese vs British when I said "racism."
Moving on, the primary theme of Code Geass is about ethics and how ethics apply to dealing with the imperialism/racism problem, which I explained in a previous video. Schneizel specifically voices is disdain of Charles's lack of care for the issues in the real world, showing how disconnected he (and his subplot by extension) are from the real world (and the main plot). You're entitled to your own opinion, but I think that the supernatural stuff was too disconnected.
@@YumesukeSutashika I can also say that this is your opinion. And also to add that this opinion is complete bullshit. Because Code Geass is a Shakespearean tragedy where, through the fight against imperialism, the ethnic, ideological, psychological and existential nature of humanity is revealed. This is the essence of Code Geass. And the mystical line is directly connected with all this.
Like I said, ignoring the uncomfortable parts. Literally a plague on this entire fandom.
@@YumesukeSutashikaThe racism aspect of the show is never actually tackled with sincerity. It is one of many levers that lelouch tugs on to carry out his pursuits. It always takes a backseat to the personal motives of characters.
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All of these are terrible takes, rewatch the series.