iLoud MTM _(Z Reviews)_ These Make Me Cry 💦💦
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That volume knob sounds like someone setting their washing machine about to do laundry 😂
I know Zeos is a good guy cause he's arguably one of the most influential voices in home audio and if the company doesnt get back to him, he could easily move onto other products. But instead he buys them and gives an honest review. That's a good dude.
That thing about having to match the volume setting on the two monitors is something i’ve seen no other review mention despite it being plainly obvious! Glad you brought it up.
They should be identical but sometimes source or production skews it a tad.
Its like that because of the built in calibration which is a digital EQ inside it. too loud low level signal could cause that EQ to clip digitally on the output. stuff like this has built in converters so its not going to be as simple as to turn the level up or down however you like. it would be great if they had better digital level meters rather than the LED in front displaying different colors.
Mix engineers typically monitor at low SPLs (50-70 dB) because it helps them remain objective by a) avoiding fatigue b) minimizing room mode excitation and c) avoiding non-linear artifacts that occur within the ear as sound pressure rises. Like you said, you need to listen to these speakers at whisper-quiet levels. This is *by design.*
Other aspects of the speaker you pointed out as a flaws are, in fact, perfectly _de rigueur_ in pro audio.
Essentially everyone in the audio production world:
• has a physical volume knob within arm's reach (on a mixer, audio interface or monitoring controller)
• has balanced I/O
• expects to calibrate their speakers and not touch them again
• has larger speakers capable of moving a lot of air
If the iLoud MTM sacrificed professional workflows for consumer convenience they would fail at their core competency.
Horses for courses, my friend.
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Also as a side note: the MTM manual states that the volume should be set to max ideally, unless you need to attenuate the level for whatever reason. From the manual: " set the volume control to MAX (full clockwise). This is the reference position for the SPL calibrated values in the specs. Adjust the volume control to a lower
position only if needed or only in case you require different levels between the speakers."
And I'm betting the clipping issue is due to improper signal level. Sending 010 when it's set for +4 or vice versa.
so you say listen to them at 50-70db and they're called ILOUD. HA
@@johngaspar4425 I do appreciate the irony.
The MTMs used with a quality audio interface in their natural habitat, the studio, they are amazing and you won’t need the dac/vol combo. For audio mastering at $700 these are a steal. I do see how when using them as an audiophile reference monitor it can be sketch. The imaging combined with the flatness is what made me lust after them and the honeymoon still isn’t over 😍. Great channel, z!
I don`t want to appear as negative(I really don`t).....but to call these mastering(or audiophile) monitors is... well.. quite a stretch(to say the least). What`s great about the MTM is that they`re portable and they sound bigger than their size suggest. But they still cannot bend the laws of physics: A small speaker is a small speaker, no matter what, and with that comes some real challenges: Bass overhang (due to bass-ports), bass reflex turbulence, and general lack of definition in the bass region. I own the Neumann KH310`s and the ILoud unfortunately doesn`t have a single chance against them. But as a portable monitor system, they`re somewhat great.
@@theclaverman серьёзно Neumann KH310`s vs ILoud ты тупица конечно....
I bought them, they’re fucking amazing even if they have this problem, it’s honestly worth it even if you have to trade off a little bit of volume, you could always do what Z said and add sub with a MiniDSP.
Also, the “volume” knob is for gain compensation and it’s designed to be a cut only, so its standard position is fully maxed, you adjust it from there, input sensitivity is also very important, you need to read the manual.
After having checked everything they can get more than loud enough for music listening in a 15/20 square meters room, with the 40Hz extension.
Edit: I just want to add a little fun fact about these speakers, sometimes, when something goes wrong and you power them on, it can happen that any given speaker can start screaming a demonic tone at full volume at you and it's completely random :)
I was on the fence getting these speakers but you convinced me buying them. Knowing the cons of them really helped me out how to set them up as good as possible. I had Focal Alpha 80s before and this stereo image blows them away easily. I don't think I can fully rely on them to mix on them but I can use them to check my mixes if the mids and high are well balanced. Thank you so much for your time and afford to make the video! Really appreciate it!
What are the biggest differences, except size of course, in sound compared to your Focal Alphas? I have the Focal Alpha 65 Evo, and while I do enjoy them, I find it a bit hard to make them sound as good as they can in my room. I wonder if these iLoud MTMs with their calibration can fix this.
@@monyetbesar well to me they have a more forward mid range and high. I can hear more detail in that spectrum with the iLouds. I am not 100 percent sure about the low end. I am still learning them but for the deep low end I rely on my Slate VSX. But to be honest, I enjoy the iLouds more than I ever did with the Focals. I am not saying that the Focals are bad but I think they shine way more within a well treated room which I don't have :)
@@martijnvandongen292 Thanks for the insight! You've convinced me to order a pair and try them out
@@monyetbesar you are very welcome. I hope you will find as much as value to them as I have.
Serious question : wouldn’t you want to stay in the room for Calibration since you’re in the room while you’re listening and mixing?
My thoughts exactly
The speakers need to know how big is the room. It's the room's size and behaviour that make a speaker sound different. If you stand , lets say, very close to the mic you might block some usufull high frequencies and distort the measurments. It's easier to distort the measurements, than actually having your body alter the sound of the room. I dont know if Im making sense .
@@Lowtronik absolutely yes, since posting I’ve invested in a pair of MTM’s not used them yet as changing everything round and improving the room treatment,
It sounds like they're trying to compensate for a room-mode causing them to clip the bass even though the signal going in isn't clipping. You'd probs have to put some acoustic panels in the room to start cleaning up 150Hz and lower so that the room correction doesn't boost low frequencies a ton.
i love this channel, not, I'm addicted to this channel hehe that voice, the hands, the manga wallpapers it's unique
These are studio monitors, all you need is a Audio Interface (that always have volume control) from your computer, they are not designed for home audio DACs as they will introduce colour and processing. Of course you can use them any way you want but they are designed for a flat/pure (boring) studio production/Mixing sound
All i can say is this is the most stable and steady, jitter free video clip humanity has witnessed. Super smooth nobody got dizzy whatsoever. Good job!
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this dude can be a good promoter of any kind of product! Sales talk is great! 😂
Hey, thank you so much for this review. I'm a professional audio system engineer and I would like to give some feedback in return for the very helpful and enjoyable expressed info in this video.
1) The square wave you're talking about is probably THD increase from the port at low frequencies, but it could also be clipping of the output stage - this would be the less likely of the two
2) We actually like smaller drivers for mid range - when they have a decent amount of motor force especially (this is a product of mms and BL Thiele Small paramteers, basically weight of the cone vs size of the coil and size of magnet)
3) That small driver can also play up higher, playing up higher meaning the crossover distortion is moved out of the critical mid band
4) This unit would have been better, and a lot more expensive with some passive radiators
5) I'm really impressed by this video, and I bought a pair for my micro studio
6) I'll compare them against my ATC master monitors sometime soon!
Hi, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Can you give an update on your opinion after trying these for a while?
Yeah would appreciate an update compared to your ATC master monitors!!
The front panel LED being on the same side of each speaker
doesn't bother you???
I mean. I MEAN
It bothers me
Get tape, cover left and right side of speakers. Profit.
@@ZReviews Or flip on speaker upside down and then recalibrate it like that, BAM front panels now properly symmetrical
@FF 4 yt not if you recalibrate the DSP with the speaker flipped like that.
Volume knob must be set at max clockwise according to manual, so you don't need a dent on 12 o'clock. Sometimes it is good to read manuals.
They suggest to start at max but it's not a set point, it depends on the output of your interface and my interface is too hot for them to be at 0dB.
You actually need the detent because -6dB is a perfect sweet spot for more headroom
very useful review, much more thorough than a lot of the ones I have seen. Thanks!
Thank you for showing me this awesome Cover of creep. WOW incredible
Who's singing this cover?
Grabbed these and they make me cry too :D
Zeos, can you share the tracklist to your best bass playlist?
adding a sub to these would probably be perfect
Thanks for the very informative review. The headcam allows you to see everything but the head movement makes me a bit seasick watching it on my TV.
MKII just dropped!
It makes sense that these start to break up in the low end at higher SPL's. Zeos, you know this, but here's some info for everyone else that isn't in the industry:
Near-field studio monitors like this are meant to be listened to at lower levels because mix engineers mix at lower volumes. The rule of thumb is this; If you can get a mix sounding full, clear, and punchy at a lower volume, you're good to go. Mixing at high SPL will cause a muddy mix because the average consumers' listening devices simply don't have the detail. power, and dynamic range that a studio's system has. This is why Yamaha NS-10's are very prevalent in the studio world, they're flat at sound so neutral (and objectively... meh) that it's perfect for referencing for mixes. :)
ehhhh the NS10's got really freaking loud with the right amp
@@jaycarrie1 They can get plenty loud, but definitely sound better with proper power, no doubt about that.
Hi @Z Reviews - did you do a follow-up of what you discussed in this video? Using the miniDSP for a DSP crossover, sending sub-bass to the subwoofers? I couldn't find a follow-up video :-( Would be interesting how it goes with crossover at 80Hz with a pair of subs. I imagine should sound phenomenal.
ooo. was tempted, then you hit the part about the bass and then ouch. I'm glad I went with the Vanatoo T1e
BE Aware if you are dumb like me: All the reviews and the merchants do not mention that these are sold individually and NOT as a set. I got all excited and found a "great price" on Black Friday and then felt stupid when I got one speaker in a big box, HA HA ha!!! So buy 2 and realize it will cost you $270 to $350 EACH!
WOW feel like Tom Hanks reviewing MTM
so true I couldn't put a finger to it, but yes he totally sounds like Tom Hanks!
Love your style on this video. So much fun. I have to ask; did you ever get them sounding right with the subs and did you ever make that video? Oh yeah, and did you see they’ve recently released a new MTM precision series speaker. Wooden instead of plastic and way more expensive but I’d love to try a pair.
Sound amazing, but too much hazzle for me I think. Love my Micros.
"I'm gonna run the fuck away...." - Thank you for that laugh. Really needed it.
So when is IK going to make a subwoofer specifically meant to go with these? That can also be calibrated? That's also designed for small untreated rooms just like these? Because if they do, my wallet won't have a relevant opinion anymore; nor will I be able to hear it's screams.
As a long-time user of iLoud Micros... you don't need no sub-woofer.
@@JonManProductions As a bassist and someone who listens to ambient electronic music, I beg to differ. There are times when having extension down to 30hz or below as opposed to just 55hz makes all the difference.
Also should mention that I have the micros as well.
Have the iLouds Micros as well, and paired them with the Cambridge Audio Minx x201 as the upgrade to my old ass logitech 2.1 system. I cry for all the clarity I've lossed over the years listening to music on an entry-level system.
@@j1nftw1n Interesting! I was looking at getting the PreSonus Temblor T8. But now this Cambridge you mentioned also has my interest. Similar price, similar wattage, but the Temblor has a larger driver. Now I'm really wondering which would be a better match. Any thoughts on this?
@@Whirlybird88 I required something small and compact to fit onto my sit/stand desk and to that end, the iLoud MM and the Minx X201 were the perfect imperfect couple. I have a 10in shallow mount Pioneer subwoofer in my 2 seater car and sure the Minx won't reach up from the depth of hell and punch you in the chest like the Pioneer's do if you crank it up, but I didn't get the Mix's for that reason. I got it to enjoy music and fill out the low end with warmth at moderate levels without it sounding like I'm throwing a rave in my 14 x 14 bedroom/office. Depending on your region, I picked mine up thru Crutchfield in case I needed to take them up on their 60 day return policy, and I'm happy to report that won't be the case. Hope that helps =D
Really looking forward to the results of these with subs. If they turn out to get quite loud with a sub taking over at 80-100 I will probable get these. Then my bass-head-hifi-setup will be complete! :P
I just need a fitting DAC w/ knob.
6:46 i can just imagine z staring at the speaker from 2 inches away like it just talked back to him
I'm looking to buy this ones, i don't know how much of a concern is that port noise, i mean i don't usually listen at too much volume. As for the volume knob, just buy an audio interface with a digitally controlled volume knob like Motu m2 or an Audient and you're done, that one does not mess with frequency response and diferences in L & R channels
I bought the iLoud MTMs. They are absolutely incredible. They sound like magic. It's a treat to listen to them every day. I bought them for mixing and they are incredibly clear and make mixing decisions so much more obvious and consistent. However, they're my favorite near field speakers I've ever heard for just listening to music. If you set the bass to 60hz rolloff and -3db low shelf at 80hz, they get significantly louder probably 2 or 3 times as loud while staying perfect. This is enough to begin to fill rooms rather than a near field setup The next thing I'm getting will be a subwoofer so I can blast them. (Hope iLoud makes a self calibrating sub)
Two features not mentioned are that they have a very flat phase response (usually a feature in much more expensive studio monitor systems) and have a very narrow vertical spread to reduce reflections off of the table they are on.
Thats really nice to have inboard room correction that effective without use of anything else. I love that room correction does this for systems .. but doing for 11 channels plus subwoofers, like Anthem and Paradigm (& Martin Logan) speakers do with ARC Genesis.. yah.. needs a Pc to calculate. These are great! .. Nice review =)
song at the beginning is creep - postmodern jukebox and haley reinhardt
A review on the Dayton Audio MK442T’s would be cool. Love your speaker reviews! Just purchased some jbl arena 130’s, should get them in the next week.
Try to calibrate them with with 40 hz engaged, I never heard this low end problems on mine. That is not normal. I Never ever have had these problems you describe. Would be impossible to mix on them in that case
people mix on auratone mixcubes and other crazy things, it doesnt matter
So I have a Flirc, a miniDSP, an 8" sub and want good nearfield monitors for music listening and gaming. I`M SOLD!
With all the drawbacks, I'd honestly wait for the Kali Audio IN-8 with coaxial drivers that should be excellent for nearfield and have no port or bass issues or weird clipping you have to tinker to get over.
(Admittedly, in my mind all things being equal, a four way system is better than a three way, and a Kali IN-8 with a subwoofer will hopefully be as ideal as I can get for the price.
I also have a minidsp so the room correction isn't as much as a pull.
@@stevenswall For me there are no bass issues since I'm crossing them over at 65Hz and never listen real loud. 8" speakers would be way to big for my desk and room.
To me, you explained quite well, why to spend that kind of money for my desk.😁 Really nice and detailed review.. thnx
I think u have to recalibrate them after u change any settings especially for the bass
Damn it. Now I can't decide between the KALI-Audio IN-5s and the IK Multimedia iLoud MTMs.
why didn't they make them bigger? lot of problems for the price point. set the crossover high and use them with a sub should fix the bass problem right?
Not high, 80Hz will do the trick
In the Kanto Sub Review I discovered killing 42HZ and below with the miniDSP solved most of the issues. They were released backwards.
Z Reviews 42 hz is actually impressively low for that small a monitor right? The lsr 308 only goes down to 43 and it sounds massive
Z Reviews So many better options out there for the price considering you have to buy a sub for this :-(
Would love to see an update when perfect.
Hey, what sub bass do you think are best to pair up with the mtm?
I just bought a Sunfire True Subwoofer and this works perfect with my iLouds MTMs, the sound is more incredible now! ...
I also own a pair of MTM iLoud speakers … how can you hook up a subwoofer to them? I’m using a Duet 2 interface but I can’t figure out how you can use a SW. Even the manual does not have any section on using a sub. Any help you can throw my way?
@@RobbieCalifornia69 I use a Steinberg UR28M and can select different outputs for the MTM and SW, not sure if thats possible with the duet, if not maybe you can use a splitter (Y cable). I have my MTM set to 50hz and the crossover from the SW also at 50, then I use the ARC system from IK Multimedia to measure and calibrate the whole system.
@@mantaproject Hey thanks so much for the info.
Why run away when the DSP is happening? Wouldn't you WANT it to correct for you being there, considering that is the situation in which you would be listening?
The mic is in your seating positio. If you're somewhere else in the room your body will interact with the sound and the calibration wont be right.
@@mitsuracer87 True, but once you sit wherever the microphone was, your prsence alters how the sound moves through the room. I am no sound engineer, but it makes sense to me that holding the microphone immediately in front of your face would provide for a more realistic sound correction, seeing as how the listening experience ALWAYS has a person there to affect the sound waves, as opposed to an empty room.
@@EtaParseids You're absolutely correct, John. Your body will influence sound as much as the monitor behind the right speaker, if not more. He cares about that but not himself. This stigma comes from HiFi systems with large, flat TVs between them (like his living room lol.) Personally, I'd bet Zeos' age + heavy experience with audio means he has some hearing loss--enough that I'd guarantee he wouldn't be able to differentiate the iLoud's DSP correction if that monitor were there or not. Sorry if I sound cynical, I love Z-Reviews, but sometimes Audiophiles can get carried away a little bit.
I would not want to be anywhere near that sweep.
I’ve noticed that room correction is coming to everything now, hell even my pioneer avh-2300nex car stereo does room correction and time alignment with a special mic connected to the aux jack and it’s like their cheapest nav deck
Great Review...What is better alternative Mini/Micro Monitors to better low End ?
Reason i watch your videos
The Speakers 2%
Your Wallpapers 98%
He is a real man Casino, can admit his perversions. FIGHT ON BROTHER
Love your reviews
I truly enjoy the reviews. I have been recording, mixing, and mastering for 30+yrs. I've earned the title Master Engineer MasterProducer, the one term that is thrown around too often and way too easy is the use of "Studio" anything. Just because the word studio is on the box doesn't make it a useful actual studio piece of equipment. Not wanting to go into the LONG "definition of terms and labels" I can honestly say these IK Multimedia MTMs can be used in any Top Studio. The calibration tool is very useful and the ref mixes are very close to a final mix. These most certainly Can Not be used as Mains but there are certainly a good investment.
I bought these about a week ago, running balanced out from my SMSL SU-8S on the same Gatorworks stands, and these things are ridiculous.. I wasn't sure what was meant by "the singer is in front of me" considering the speakers are making a triangle, but I am blown away by the experience.. no weird hissing or nothing either, so maybe I lucked out, but I am definitely happy with my purchase.. the review just gave me more info on what I did lol
Time to check out the iLoud Precision MTM!
what song did you use to test the bass the first half of the video
Oooh, been waiting for this one for a while now...
I am waiting for my KS-Digital-C8-Reference. Perfection is coming dude!
Well if it isn't Mr. Fancy Pants with his fancy toothpaste and squeezing from the bottom technique.
I saw that review lmao
Intro song is from “Scott Bradlee's Postmodern Jukebox - Creep”
Hi! Like your cool way to review stuff.
If a speaker/headphone makes you cry, you know it’s the one.
Cool was looking at them for mastering. No room lol but you bring up good points.
The most honest product review ever
Safe Z, i'd recommend getting an audio interface by RME or UA for studio monitors. Pricey but super worth it.
RME BABYFACE PRO FOR THE WIN 🔥
should try and get your hands on a pair of similarly prised "budget" genelecs
What do you think about M-AUDIO AIR Hub and a pair of adam t5v for a basic desk setup?
Epic review, legend
Excellent review!
Hey z when you used the miniDSP, did you set these speakers to flat and then use the miniDSP corrections?
Why do I get the feeling this guy has a court order to stay away from schools?
Probably because you try too hard to be provocative and funny. You can stop
Also had a bad experience with customer service, they responded and we're friendly but did not want to replace their faulty cable
Thanks!!
You made me very curious! I have lipinski's L-707 - This speakers I want to try out and see if they are touching the Lipinski's.
Do you prefer these or the Adam tv7's?
*T7Vs
I just bought them. Whenever i plug them i jear a costant hiss/ white noise (mainly at 3khz) i tried everything but I can't solve it. I'm so disappointed
I was ready to buy them they sound good but I read many complaints for bad power supply noise and ground loops.do you notice something in yours?
do you think the bass response would be better if you you had them closer to the wall to let the bass reflex work better?
I'm irritated they use the "i insert product name" deal going on.
So you don’t like being called iDave?
So far my experience with the iloud mtm has been terrible, one with power supply issues and other with freaking blown speaker sounds worse than a 5$ speakers and still haven’t heard back from their support =/
I just think that people that are considering buying should know that.
Did it get sorted out?
Thanks for the video. It's already a week with the iLoud MTM and I'm thinking of returning them. There is an annoying and noticeable noise coming from both speakers, especially when no listening to music. You turn them on and the noise comes. For sure this is not normal. It is a kind of hiss. They sound amazing, but I must say that I'm quite disappointed. That bloody noise is like if I was plugging the jack and spinning it in the socket constantly. I don't know if it can be fixed. Any ideas? Anyone's help will be much appreciated. Kind regards.
Sorry for late reply, i end up returning mine
@@j.r.j.8499 It could be the cables that you’re using. For exemple if you just use normal guitar cables you’ll get that kind of noise hiss that you mentioned. Just make sure you’re using balanced cables
Hey! Dope speakers ! Look like the Kii speakers
This vs neumann kh80 for music listening??
Lets face it.....Hailey is a Fox!! And that cooing voice she has ohhhhh lawd.
Zeos $700 is affordable for speakers if they sound good. For the price of these you are close to getting into the range of a pair of used KEF LS50. Yes you would need to get an amp as well so it would put you over $1,500.
You mentioned these are one of the best experiences you've had nearfield under $1000. If I recall, you said that the KEF LS50 was the best thing nearfield. You should get a pair of KEF Q150 to see what you think compared to these iLouds. The Q150 is extremely close to the LS50
@Zeospantera I support this. Better still try LSX. Also where are the Devialet Phantom Golds/Reactors? Both companies would send you a set. I'm sure because I know the people over there
this is the best review i've ever watched.
Whats the name of those speaker stands? I like that they are not that big on the bottom
Shouldn't you have sat in your chair in front of the speaker when you take a measurement, because you are part of the room when you listen to music as the big pc screen?
This is the answers we want it makes more sense to stay in the room
I have watched your awesome reviews of the iloud micros about 3 times already. Awesome videos! I am planning on buying my first studio monitors...I have to go with the micros. But the MTM are so enticing but I am worried about the bass...is the same issue present with the micros at 45hz? I just want to make sure I am getting accurate low end for my mixes. 300 compared to 700 I just can’t do the MTM......yet and please keep swearing!!!
So did you take them ?
I bought the ilouds and I couldn’t be happier! They are amazing!!
@@siweltap3856 MTM ?
@@ChrisKeyman sorry lol the micro monitors
@@siweltap3856 how is the low end?
Do they have any noise ?
So these are an old Alfa Romeo.
Ehm…old, and also new, Alfa Romeo.
Could be a new one too.
I'm probably breaking a cardinal rule of yours, but I was hoping to get these Ilouds for my Kawai ES8 digital piano, and I'm not too familiar with the techy stuff. Any advice?
If I'm looking for the best near field desktop setup for music and some video editing. $700 is the budget, is this my best option? Or should I go for the presonus stuff or klipsh?
Presonus Sceptre are great but probably surpassed by these due to the room correction. I'd grab these imo
I'd definitely get these. I'm considering replacing my mixcubes with these (my mains are Dutch & Dutch 8C).
Focal EVO 65 ? What do you think about them. I’m looking at these MTMs or Focals. Keyboard player here. Thank you for a reply
what are the stands you using? i am trying to find stands for my iloud micro monitor
I’d like to know, too, please! Do you have a link for them, please? Thank you!
No subwoofer solution?
Hi
Great video
I bought the stands just because of your video but the speakers don’t fit on the stands
I don’t get it. They have a lower end that totally sucks. Failed flawed speaker with no reliable bass. Why in the world would we be interested in them?
W N you are correct to point out these are studio monitors and therefore may have been designed with different goals in mind than general music listening. But I feel the lines are getting blurred between audiophile and studio speakers and this review is promoting the speakers for music listening. At $700 you can do better - for example vanatoo t1e an active speaker- which I just finished testing personally is to me a more complete product without glaring issues at least when it comes to just listening to music
Hi very interesting review what brand are the stands please thanks
Awesome intro :-)
So JBL Studio 530 are 3rd best now?
No the jbl are better