Nice looking trail. Would love to give it a go when i head down south. To the disco driver dont worry about the negative comments atleast your out there learning and gaining experience not just watching videos 👍
Cheers mate! Mt Disappointment has the kind of tracks your into. Not to dissimilar to Lithgow. If you come down South you might want to look at Cobaw as an option as well. Some good ones out there as well.
Hobart Neville , True, he has also driven that hill before. That area is his backyard. And not forgetting it is the most capable vehicle with twin lockers vs one in the ranger and none in the Disco. Have a great day :)
knowing the trail is HUGE. i would try my "home track" in any amount of snow or vehicle. hell- i took my 74 vw bus up there (~50% in snow) and my sportster (~30% complete). on the flip- NOT knowing a trail is just as huge.
B Roll Offroad pretty much most of the tracks I do is new to me as I'm constantly exploring new areas that I havnt been to before. I have to drive a good few hours to get there but we are pretty spoilt for choice here in Victoria. Sounds like you have alot of good stuff up there where your from. 👍
that's awesome, keep exploring! and yes, Colorado is amazing. so many trails, all free, no check in, no fees or permits, just turn off the highway and drive up a mountain. started this channel late in the season which has cut me off from pretty much all of the cool ones. they either have too much snow or seasonal closure for animal migration. can't wait for this summer. have fun and keep posting them, i'll keep watching them.
@@lindapigram6521 the ranger has more space between the R and Front and also a good tyres than the disco , otherwise the disco is very capable with a cdl
thats a knarly track. Before the disco guy rolls his rig, he should start working on vehicle control, that part where he was rapidly reversing down the hill was a very risky move
Cchange4us it stalled when it lifted the wheels and would of lost brake booster pressure when the brakes where released to prevent it from rolling over backwards which is why it would of had next to no brakes and rolled down the hill so fast
well i dont want to harp on here because there is nothing worse than an armchair expert, however i stated that he should work on vehicle control.. as the disco became out of control. There are procedures to re-gain control of a stalled vehicle on hills.. been there done that. I drive a 2004 v8 manual disco.
There were plenty of mistakes made by the disco driver and myself in the Ranger. To make matters more difficult we were practically blinded by the sun also. Fortunately we all made it up ok and learned a lot. Thanks for watching and commenting !
Cchange4us Its a lot steeper then it looks if you drive a disco find a hill thats steep enough to have the rubber mats fall out of the dash and then you'll know how steep this hill is. As the front lifted the throttle was released to stop if from rolling over backwards but the downside is that all braking was lost (no brake booster pressure try stopping a 2000kg diso with no brake booster it won't happen) selecting reverse gear while rolling backwards wouldn't of happened cause its not a synchronised gear and pulling the hand brake at speed risked rolling it. you don't have to many options on a hill this steep the disco was taking on a hill it wasn't capable of doing and there a risks when doing so but its about the only track it hasn't been able to do
I would guess as others have here that there’s no CDL on that D2. The traction control system also makes it tough when you’re attempting a climb like that with a manual transmission - hence the stalling. Not entirely the driver’s fault. That hill was probably about the limit of that rig. Rubicon of course makes it look easy, but I’m not sure it’s a fair comparison without some aftermarket work on the D2. I’m a Land Rover guy, but those particular Jeeps are great.
Cool video! I also joined the brown undies club twice there! Dang! Does the Landy have the center difflock (transfer case) installed? Looked like that might have been the biggest issue there if I'm right. Nice track and cool to see three very different vehicles working it.
Everybody here slating the Disco driver... I'd like to see you do better with sunlight beaming into your face. It probably would have made it if they guy could see what he was doing. But hill climbing in a Disco 2 is tricky because you have to give it enough beans to run the TC but not so much when it does get traction you shoot up like a rocket that's out of control. There's a knack to the Disco 2's TC.
That is one crazy hill, you’ve all got balls to attempt it in my opinion, I’m gutted the disco didn’t make it up but I’m sure it will next time, great vid 👍
I don't know if this has already been mentioned but one of the guys in the video says, 'Try putting it in low range ' to the disco driver (Its kind of quiet at ~7:22min). Surely he was in low range already? Thanks for sharing the video.
Sam Kelly I never noticed that until you pointed it out. yeah I would have imagined he was in low without a doubt. I was the guy that said winch. You have good attention to detail lol. I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Yea i heard that too. I was wondering seriously? If he wasn’t in low he obviously has no experience and shouldn’t be on tracks like that. I like how civilised you are on all your comments. Nice and honest with no chest puffed out. Some of the disco fans commenting are embarrassing. Not the car. I love my D1.
As a disco owner just like that one I can tell you that traction control is great but it sucked on that kind of Rocky stuff. I don't know why they didn't at least give a locker option. Probably because in England it's just watch a little muddy water hills but that Rubicon was made for that kind of stuff
Someone who had a clue should've been spotting these guys. Two trucks almost went over b/c they can't see what's directly in front or behind them, and needed guidance! That's how it's done safely. If they went over for lack of a spotter, that's just plain stupid/irresponsible.
Great vid guys thanks for that. Wrangler won easy but...diff locks own traction control hands down on this sort of terrain. Low speed torque and control...cant beat it :)
@@sicsempertyrannis9024 not all d2's actualy had cdl fitted some 2002 and 2003 models never had the internals fitted. the only way to tell wich ones do have it in the box is to crawl underneath and look at the transfer case.
@@sicsempertyrannis9024 when i bought mine i was advised to get under and check the transfer case if i was going to re-fit a cdl and i did come across a couple of motors without cdl. as to how manyare out there i just dont know.
@@dazad1972 Yeah I have a 2000 and I eventually want to add the shift linkage mod to be able to engage the cdl. I was unaware of the ones you mentioned without it but it's good to know for general reference purposes in case I run into someone that may have one of those. So does yours have a cdl and if so have you fitted the mod to engage?
Very surprised the disco didn't make it, but with no lockers and the sun right in your eyes it is very hard to pick a good line, with a little more throttle control and maybe somebody with a handheld uhf to guide you then i think you would have done well, but thats how we get experience by having ago. Fellow disco owner.
The Disco made mistake of putting it in reverse on the backup. Brakes aren't always able to stop amount of torque - will give you an exciting backwards ride! He or she just needs some tires and to disconnect his quick disconnect sway bars.
Didn’t even allow enough time for TC to do its thing as soon was traction was lost you let off let them spin for a bit it would have gotten up the D2 is a capable 4wd you could have drove that
Im asking the Land Rover community howI can unbolt the lug nut in the center of my Land Rover discovery 2004 I I got all of them out except for the centre one!! PLEASE HELP
Michael Toomer what year is that disco, i have a 2004 and i lock up my diff all wheels drive off the ground or not. I think his may just be AwD with traction control high/low range.
davidisdivad , Just checked his profile and can confirm it is a 1999 Disco. I remember him crawling under the car with a spanner to activate. Also checked google which says early disco 2 models up to March 2001 has centre diff lock at the transfer case but no in cab controls as it was being phased out. Perhaps it’s not working properly in his car? www.discovery2.co.uk/diff_lock.html
He'll have Traction Control and centre diff lock however it looked like the TC wasn't kicking in. Either an issue with the truck or he let off before it kicked in.
@@michaeltoomer4090 Cheers! I have since read too that if its not a 2004 that you have to also clip a wire on the traction control computer to keep the traction control on with center diff locked. Either way it was a valiant effort! Glad he kept his rig in one piece. Can't imagine the pucker factor on that backwards bounce fest.
Read the description. Disco has open diffs. Lockers make a huge difference. He almost made it up in unlocked diffs. Personally I wouldn’t even have tried.
That D2 didn't come with central diff lock. Just the 2004 came with locks. If it had locks it would be able to go up easily. The other thing that the other trucks may not have is hill decent. D2s are great but with out central locking they are not good for that type of off roading
The pre facelift (upto arpund 2001) came with CDL fitted, just didnt have the linkage for it connected to the handle. The linkage from a D1 fits. They only had it removed from the transfer box 2002-2003 and reinstated in 2004 with an updated SLABS module so the traction control worked at the same time as the CDL being engaged (on the earlier ones if you engaged CDL with the engine running it would disengage the traction control)
Peter Moore , not sure what his tyre pressure was. I myself was running between 18-20 psi. I would go down lower if necessary but without beadlocker’s run the risk of rolling the tyre of the bead which has happened to me before. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Michael, I'd run something similar but would go lower if required. In snow you're running as low as 15 sometimes with worrying about the bead, as long as you're smooth.
As a Land Rover owner only complaint is how easy it is to accidentally honk horn while wheeling
As a disco 2 owner this is not a problem cause all the horn buttons brake and pop out lmao
Nah got a d1 dont have that trouble
i agree 100% lmao
I have a ranger and I love how capable off road it, but damn, that jeep made it look easy.
Well done gentleman.
That Landy was missing one thing....me as a driver !
So True
Nice looking trail. Would love to give it a go when i head down south.
To the disco driver dont worry about the negative comments atleast your out there learning and gaining experience not just watching videos 👍
Cheers mate! Mt Disappointment has the kind of tracks your into. Not to dissimilar to Lithgow. If you come down South you might want to look at Cobaw as an option as well. Some good ones out there as well.
land rover driver needs tires, and a driver with a set of balls
my thought
he didn't stay up it long enough to let TC do its thing
@@ThCrunch exactly. the TC would have figured it out in 1.2seconds longer
@@ThCrunch Ford driver too, just need to give it more mayo and the TC will get you out of it.
I'd say the Jeep driver is the only one that has experience with this level of driving.
Hobart Neville , True, he has also driven that hill before. That area is his backyard. And not forgetting it is the most capable vehicle with twin lockers vs one in the ranger and none in the Disco. Have a great day :)
knowing the trail is HUGE. i would try my "home track" in any amount of snow or vehicle. hell- i took my 74 vw bus up there (~50% in snow) and my sportster (~30% complete). on the flip- NOT knowing a trail is just as huge.
B Roll Offroad pretty much most of the tracks I do is new to me as I'm constantly exploring new areas that I havnt been to before. I have to drive a good few hours to get there but we are pretty spoilt for choice here in Victoria. Sounds like you have alot of good stuff up there where your from. 👍
that's awesome, keep exploring! and yes, Colorado is amazing. so many trails, all free, no check in, no fees or permits, just turn off the highway and drive up a mountain. started this channel late in the season which has cut me off from pretty much all of the cool ones. they either have too much snow or seasonal closure for animal migration. can't wait for this summer. have fun and keep posting them, i'll keep watching them.
Ranger needs some lockers in the front
Disco needs power to work the tc.....
That man stop it that's why the tc not work...
Also the disco is 2.2tons....
so is the ranger 2.3 to be exact
@@lindapigram6521 the ranger has more space between the R and Front and also a good tyres than the disco , otherwise the disco is very capable with a cdl
Great video, the hill climb was awesome to watch
You can always tell who has lockers, and who doesn't. Respect to these guys either way.
thats a knarly track. Before the disco guy rolls his rig, he should start working on vehicle control, that part where he was rapidly reversing down the hill was a very risky move
Cchange4us
it stalled when it lifted the wheels and would of lost brake booster pressure when the brakes where released to prevent it from rolling over backwards which is why it would of had next to no brakes and rolled down the hill so fast
well i dont want to harp on here because there is nothing worse than an armchair expert, however i stated that he should work on vehicle control.. as the disco became out of control. There are procedures to re-gain control of a stalled vehicle on hills.. been there done that. I drive a 2004 v8 manual disco.
There were plenty of mistakes made by the disco driver and myself in the Ranger. To make matters more difficult we were practically blinded by the sun also. Fortunately we all made it up ok and learned a lot.
Thanks for watching and commenting !
Cchange4us
Its a lot steeper then it looks if you drive a disco find a hill thats steep enough to have the rubber mats fall out of the dash and then you'll know how steep this hill is.
As the front lifted the throttle was released to stop if from rolling over backwards but the downside is that all braking was lost (no brake booster pressure try stopping a 2000kg diso with no brake booster it won't happen) selecting reverse gear while rolling backwards wouldn't of happened cause its not a synchronised gear and pulling the hand brake at speed risked rolling it. you don't have to many options on a hill this steep the disco was taking on a hill it wasn't capable of doing and there a risks when doing so but its about the only track it hasn't been able to do
Landy driver: You have much to learn yet!
i think that guy driving the discovery was a newbie or just hopeless lol that discovery would have walked it with a good driver behind the wheel.
I would guess as others have here that there’s no CDL on that D2. The traction control system also makes it tough when you’re attempting a climb like that with a manual transmission - hence the stalling. Not entirely the driver’s fault. That hill was probably about the limit of that rig. Rubicon of course makes it look easy, but I’m not sure it’s a fair comparison without some aftermarket work on the D2. I’m a Land Rover guy, but those particular Jeeps are great.
CDL is just standard 4 wheel drive out of awd and it could very well have it. Their main problem is it needs lockers
The Jeep comes with Factory lockers it just makes better off-roading vehicles and I'm a Land Rover owner LOL
That Ford Ranger is some machine👍
Springer spaniel cheers mate 👍
Disco 2 with traction control and centre locking diff will comfortably get up there.
Cool video! I also joined the brown undies club twice there! Dang! Does the Landy have the center difflock (transfer case) installed? Looked like that might have been the biggest issue there if I'm right. Nice track and cool to see three very different vehicles working it.
Why were there no spotters on a climb like this?
It seemed pure luck to me that you didn't lose a vehicle or two.
Everybody here slating the Disco driver... I'd like to see you do better with sunlight beaming into your face. It probably would have made it if they guy could see what he was doing. But hill climbing in a Disco 2 is tricky because you have to give it enough beans to run the TC but not so much when it does get traction you shoot up like a rocket that's out of control. There's a knack to the Disco 2's TC.
God this made me sweat watching! Pretty insane climb. Well done.
That is one crazy hill, you’ve all got balls to attempt it in my opinion, I’m gutted the disco didn’t make it up but I’m sure it will next time, great vid 👍
great video!
michel dieuze thanks 😃
I don't know if this has already been mentioned but one of the guys in the video says, 'Try putting it in low range ' to the disco driver (Its kind of quiet at ~7:22min). Surely he was in low range already?
Thanks for sharing the video.
Sam Kelly I never noticed that until you pointed it out. yeah I would have imagined he was in low without a doubt. I was the guy that said winch. You have good attention to detail lol.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Yea i heard that too. I was wondering seriously? If he wasn’t in low he obviously has no experience and shouldn’t be on tracks like that. I like how civilised you are on all your comments. Nice and honest with no chest puffed out. Some of the disco fans commenting are embarrassing. Not the car. I love my D1.
Buen video‼️✌️🍻💪👍😎,los coches también
Gracias!
ANDRES ANDRES thanks 👍
Hi there, I really enjoyed your video, I am putting together an off road compilation of the Discovery, and wondered if you would like to be included?
Mate That was intense
Sure was. Cheers 👍
As a disco owner just like that one I can tell you that traction control is great but it sucked on that kind of Rocky stuff. I don't know why they didn't at least give a locker option. Probably because in England it's just watch a little muddy water hills but that Rubicon was made for that kind of stuff
Someone who had a clue should've been spotting these guys. Two trucks almost went over b/c they can't see what's directly in front or behind them, and needed guidance! That's how it's done safely. If they went over for lack of a spotter, that's just plain stupid/irresponsible.
Like most vs videos it comes down to airing down and drivers skill
Whats the name of the track??
Jeep just kickass off road
Great vid guys thanks for that.
Wrangler won easy but...diff locks own traction control hands down on this sort of terrain. Low speed torque and control...cant beat it :)
Alex Patea , cheers for the comments. I have rear diff lock in the ranger and a front diff lock is something I want to install in the future.
Disco guy needs practice
Terrible disco driver and no diff locks.
@Bushmaster88
'03 & '04 brought cdl back. All Disco 2's have cdl but the '99-'02 had no way to engage it without doing a mod
@@sicsempertyrannis9024 not all d2's actualy had cdl fitted some 2002 and 2003 models never had the internals fitted. the only way to tell wich ones do have it in the box is to crawl underneath and look at the transfer case.
@@dazad1972
Just curious, is that just a limited number of '02/'03s?
@@sicsempertyrannis9024 when i bought mine i was advised to get under and check the transfer case if i was going to re-fit a cdl and i did come across a couple of motors without cdl. as to how manyare out there i just dont know.
@@dazad1972
Yeah I have a 2000 and I eventually want to add the shift linkage mod to be able to engage the cdl. I was unaware of the ones you mentioned without it but it's good to know for general reference purposes in case I run into someone that may have one of those. So does yours have a cdl and if so have you fitted the mod to engage?
Very surprised the disco didn't make it, but with no lockers and the sun right in your eyes it is very hard to pick a good line, with a little more throttle control and maybe somebody with a handheld uhf to guide you then i think you would have done well, but thats how we get experience by having ago. Fellow disco owner.
7:46.....what a let down...that was 100% on the driver...c’MON!
3:58 he needs to stay on the gas so the TCS can figure out what to do
at 2:22 I'm like... WTF? Are you really gonna ride up this in cars? I would be scared to ride down this shit on my bike lol
Piotr Sulej it was definately white knuckled and not all the cars attempted it. Thanks for watching and leaving feedback
if that disco were automatic it would't stop
The Disco made mistake of putting it in reverse on the backup. Brakes aren't always able to stop amount of torque - will give you an exciting backwards ride! He or she just needs some tires and to disconnect his quick disconnect sway bars.
Could not understand why disco driver affraid of giving motor power??
So I’d say the wrangler won...
He made everything look easy. Time for you to bring your Ranger out mate. Ranger meetup in November @ High Country.
Didn’t even allow enough time for TC to do its thing as soon was traction was lost you let off let them spin for a bit it would have gotten up the D2 is a capable 4wd you could have drove that
Im asking the Land Rover community howI can unbolt the lug nut in the center of my Land Rover discovery 2004 I I got all of them out except for the centre one!! PLEASE HELP
The center one is for the axle lmao
No centre diff lock on that Disco :-( Looks like standard tyres as well.
This is what I was thinking. He could have disengaged his sway bars as well
kinda obvious the JEEP Owner has been on this trail MANY times. $10K in upgrades helps too....just sayin
I dont think he had diff locks on the disco.
No, he has Traction control only, we can even fell the power being stopped by it when a wheel start flying
He has traction control and I believe he had centre diff lock also. But not sure how effective they are.. thanks for watching and commenting!
Michael Toomer what year is that disco, i have a 2004 and i lock up my diff all wheels drive off the ground or not. I think his may just be AwD with traction control high/low range.
davidisdivad , Just checked his profile and can confirm it is a 1999 Disco. I remember him crawling under the car with a spanner to activate. Also checked google which says early disco 2 models up to March 2001 has centre diff lock at the transfer case but no in cab controls as it was being phased out.
Perhaps it’s not working properly in his car?
www.discovery2.co.uk/diff_lock.html
He'll have Traction Control and centre diff lock however it looked like the TC wasn't kicking in. Either an issue with the truck or he let off before it kicked in.
Jeep has locked front diff.
WTF....!!!! Really dude!!!!, The driver in the D2 has no idea, I have D2 with lift etc etc & never had a problem like what he’s having...!
Marc Greenaway it’s steep, really steep. Wouldnt attempt it without at least one locker.
@@michaeltoomer4090 Did he have his center diff locked up?
SunflowerArcher yes he did. He did it manually with a spanner under the car.
@@michaeltoomer4090 Cheers! I have since read too that if its not a 2004 that you have to also clip a wire on the traction control computer to keep the traction control on with center diff locked. Either way it was a valiant effort! Glad he kept his rig in one piece. Can't imagine the pucker factor on that backwards bounce fest.
Ask the Disco2 driver to go to school first ! What a shame !
U guys are nukin futz. Brown trouser hill.
No CDL...
Who ever is driving the Land Rover. Park the damn thing and walk away. You are making Land Rovers look bad 👎
Read the description. Disco has open diffs. Lockers make a huge difference. He almost made it up in unlocked diffs. Personally I wouldn’t even have tried.
fausto80 that disco should have walked right up that... with a competent operator
That D2 didn't come with central diff lock. Just the 2004 came with locks. If it had locks it would be able to go up easily. The other thing that the other trucks may not have is hill decent. D2s are great but with out central locking they are not good for that type of off roading
The pre facelift (upto arpund 2001) came with CDL fitted, just didnt have the linkage for it connected to the handle. The linkage from a D1 fits. They only had it removed from the transfer box 2002-2003 and reinstated in 2004 with an updated SLABS module so the traction control worked at the same time as the CDL being engaged (on the earlier ones if you engaged CDL with the engine running it would disengage the traction control)
Tyre pressures looked too high in the Disco, hardly any bagging.
Peter Moore , not sure what his tyre pressure was. I myself was running between 18-20 psi. I would go down lower if necessary but without beadlocker’s run the risk of rolling the tyre of the bead which has happened to me before.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Michael, I'd run something similar but would go lower if required. In snow you're running as low as 15 sometimes with worrying about the bead, as long as you're smooth.
Peter Moore k
😗😗😗😗
Its soo sickening to see the inexperienced of Disco2 driver ....no balls!!!!
After owning it all at some point in my life.. my advice is sell all that shit and get a 80 series cruiser ... you never look back ! True .
fukthegoog sounds like your mate bought a lemon spent money in the wrong places and grew a lemon tree....
Guy in the disco can't wheel to save his life makes the truck look shit as get a decent driver that knows how to pick a line in the seat.
Total whimp Discovery driver. Even W/O Diff Lock. What an embarrassment