The thing with Traction Control most people don't get is that it requires consistent throttle when the wheel is starting to spin to engage it particularly older systems. Everyone (D3 onwards) used to go off the power right when it was starting to do it's thing. Just got to learn the way each system performs to get the best out of them. It's amazing how slow you can tackle things with it.
Thanks mate! We tend to agree, the auto seems to keep the traction control in that happy spot. Occasionally I try a bit more revs with the auto and it seems to make the traction control let go. Next time Ill put the 275/70R18 back on for a fairer comparison.
I have read somewhere, actually many places that the D2's prior to 2002 has more sensitive traction control as it was not using the CDL, mine is a 2003 TD5. I've found I have to floor it to make it work. Ive since put lockers (e-locker rear and air in the front) interestingly since having the rear locker, I barely ever have to engage the front. I don't work the vehicle that hard anymore. Mine looks exactly the same as the silver V8. Nice Video
Interesting, it would be great to confirm that somehow. The traction controls performance on my silver disco seems to have slowly worsened. I suspect that something is not working correctly but not to the extent of triggering a malfunction warning from the SLABS. Maybe, yours is the same. Have you had it long? Generally, I never even have to use my rear locker.
@@dustydisco2906 I’ve had my car 6 years now. When I first got it I would charge up hills so momentum would typically get me up. I drive it slower and try and crawl up, but with the sway bar still connected I would not flex enough. I feel like my TC engages still better than yours but less than the blue disco
Slabs units in the modern units are suposed to have a faster response compared to the old ones...mine is a 2000 and it works great tho. I go 2" lift, 30mm spacers(legal here) and 265/75/16(to fit 33" a brake test and money are required here so I'll go on with the ones I have). Good video cheers
Thanks mate glad you enjoyed it, the blue one has been off the road for a while and has just blown a gearbox, old mate is furious! He's threatening to sell it! might be a short while until the next video..
Love to see how good the old girls still are. My 2.5 tdi's gearbox is on the way out so I've ordered a Winchester Gears R380 stage 2 gearbox and stage 2 transfer box. I have no intention of getting rid of the old girl and reckon it's a fair investment as the gearbox and transfer box are the weak points in my humble opinion. Look them up, expensive but cheaper than been stranded with a dead box in the middle of nowhere. Probably going to go for some Gwyn Lewis heavy duty propshafts as well. Mega Squirt has a ton of info on uprated differentials too. Hope some of that's interesting. Got my body protection from Dirt Monkey Offroad. All the best guys.
Mate you're gonna have a very reliable and capable rig before long! You're right about the gearbox being worth it. we put another second hand gearbox in the blue one and it let go so it has since been sold! He might have kept it if that didn't let go.
Does the tyres rub on the blue disco with only 2 inch lift? Really nice videos you have put together. i'm running a stock Disco 2 with TC, auto, ACE and TD5. Love the car. Considering a 50mm lift.
To be fair, I wouldn't have gone into that bog so hats off to him for having a crack! They were by themselves in the middle of the week and from another state. They were lucky we were there.
Weirdly seemed to be some spots where the TC in the silver disco was struggling to do much. I wonder if the brakes had got too hot, or maybe it could do with some new pads/discs?
Hi mate thanks for the comment- I agree, sometimes I thought it wasn't working at all. You can see the wheel "jerking" sometimes as drive is being sent to it, but its not enough to either make that wheel spin or make the vehicle move. I suspect the shuttle valve or the earth for it is on its way out. edit: pads and rotors are Brembo and new.
Navy Blue Disco seems to be 235x85xr16 , not 255. Yokohama Geo G003 MT .tire pressure little bit high for the rocks.because the tire surface areas are a bit narrow. We await comparisons in the mud.
Hey that's cool I have a 2002 dark blue with the same Land Rover sticker. Same ARB bumper pretty much same setup but it's the V8. It has TC and CDL. I need to shoot better videos though I just have a bunch of short little clips my kids do for me. You guys inspire me to get out there and make better videos of the crazy stuff I get myself in
Thanks mate sounds like a good setup. I take it you're from the US? We call them a Bull bar :D Glad we inspired you, get out there and have a crack making a video! link it here if you do. The camera never does the track justice though... which is disappointing. It definitely helps having an adult on the camera, but good on the kids for having a go :D
@@dustydisco2906 yeah absolutely I will! I have some short clips on my TH-cam but nothing special. And you know it never looks as cool on video or the hills as big unless you have a good camera and even then haha
fact is that this car is missing rear and front diff lock. Strange is that it does not have it. Some time ago we compared G wagon and defender. They have both managed through path but G wagon with much less effort
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Thanks mate. You don't have state forests you can drive in? These are government owned pine plantations and the tracks follow the powerlines you might see in the videos. The silver Disco has ACE, all the specs are at the end of the video :D. What about your disco? I'm guessing its the V8 too?
@@dustydisco2906 We do have some good areas, but often times the roads are gated or managed by forestry companies who try to keep us out. And I thought so judging by how much articulation the silver disco has. I like the ACE system. My disco is a V8 with ACE, CDL and SLS. All Disco’s in Canada/America have the V8. A friend of mine imported a TD5 and it is awesome 👏🏼
@@VanIsleDisco How about dedicated 4wd parks/ properties? "Pay and plays" we have plenty here too. but I prefer not to camp in those places they're always busy. I love ACE. handles like it's on rails on road, limp off road. they just nailed these discos (bar the engines) and then went to a fully independent setup...Im on the hunt for a TD5. the V8 is prohibitively thirsty..
@@dustydisco2906 I believe there is some places like that for dirt bikes, atv’s and side by sides, but nothing substantial for off road trucks. As for ACE, I think it is a fantastic system too. It’s always performed so well for me, both on and off road. I find it crazy when people want to remove it.
@@VanIsleDisco have you seen dirt lifestyle's videos? I'm in Bellingham WA fixing up my first disco, an 01, so don't really know what's out there but Nate has some crazy 4x4 videos in the Washington area
Quite frankly, I would not even walk up those tracks, never mind drive! Both Disco's seemd to be adequate . It's all about lift in the end. Very well filmed though. Was it a GoPro?
Thanks mate. Any more lift though and we'd need to extend brake and abs lines, worry about castor correction, pan hards and watts links, prop shafts, it seems like a headache. We enjoy the challenge of getting some moderate cars up moderate tracks, it's a lot cheaper! :D filmed on a GoPro in "linear" mode (it's supposed to have less fisheye.)
I hate when CeCe makes you want to flip. The area I live all the trails are super dry and Rocky with really steep sections bumpy like 35 degree angles so any slip with TC suddenly kicking makes you want to flip backwards. I need a rear Locker so bad. I get the old Landrover guys on Facebook that only drive into UK telling me I just don't know how to drive it properly or pick the right line and I'm like dude you don't know what the trails are here in Southern Arizona some of the hardest Jeep trails. Traction control just makes you want to flip oftentimes. Unless you have a brand new Rover where the TC Works immediately. I want to experiment with some left-foot braking even though I have traction control just ride the brake and the throttle pretend like I don't have it see what happens haha I don't mind getting the wheel in they are but some of it is way inappropriate and dangerous
If you're Auto, definitely. At the very least keep your foot there for when it does kick and use the brake to control it. would you rather too much traction from TC trying to kick you or none because you have two wheels spinning :D
On the silver one I had factory 18" Westminster rims (in our first video) with 275/70R18 and I had to cut the bull bar and the plastic rocker/sill trims on the front but still get the occasional rubbing. on the rear, it rubs on the back of the actual Quarter panel. It would need cutting eventually. I removed all of the exterior plastic on the panels too. As for the blue one, they're a narrow tyre so they don't rub too much but a little bit had to be cut with a grinder too!
I would examine the brake system, maybe the brakes are worn, or there is air in the system..That traction control seems like it is not working properly.
I thought so too. The brakes on the silver one are near new Brembos. I might have to replace the shuttle valve and perform the earth bypass mod to rule that out next.
I have no idea what it is, I had assumed it was a slipped liner and I'll let nature run its course. It comes and goes and has done for about two years. I use a 15-40, anything thicker and it cannot build oil pressure at low rpms. It could have walked cam bearings, a cracked oil pump, a dodgy lifter or a whole range of problems. I'm on the hunt for a diesel to replace it.
@@dustydisco2906 yeah id put Money on sticky lifters or slipped liner as you know the 4.6 is prone, yeah man going td5 or getting out the disco game? I'm currently cruising around in a manual V8 d1 for me d1 was always the better one d2 for the td5
Both vehicles had their centre diff locks engaged for the whole video. Perhaps due to the nature of the auto it seems to spin wheels less, what do you think? Thanks for watching!
You Kents have all got it completely wrong! There is no 4x4 better than a rusty 200tdi Discovery running no lift, cut guards, dirty chip oil in the fuel tank and a set of secondhand Lee King tyres you bought for $2.50. No traction control needed, it's got smacktion control.
The thing with Traction Control most people don't get is that it requires consistent throttle when the wheel is starting to spin to engage it particularly older systems. Everyone (D3 onwards) used to go off the power right when it was starting to do it's thing. Just got to learn the way each system performs to get the best out of them. It's amazing how slow you can tackle things with it.
Yes it certainly performs well when it's all working well and driven well.
Cameraman deserves a beer or three - excellent filming and running around after the cars!
From looking at it the auto does a much better job and seems to make it look easier the manual still does every obstacle but not as easy great video.
Thanks mate! We tend to agree, the auto seems to keep the traction control in that happy spot. Occasionally I try a bit more revs with the auto and it seems to make the traction control let go.
Next time Ill put the 275/70R18 back on for a fairer comparison.
What has he done? Nothing! He was simply having fun!
What a beautiful footage! Thanks for sharing it!
Haha! 😅 Just a bit of banter! "What have you done"
@@dustydisco2906 I didn't really think that you scold him 😃.
i want one of these beast machines so bad - unreal video!
Hope you're good with the spanners.
I have read somewhere, actually many places that the D2's prior to 2002 has more sensitive traction control as it was not using the CDL, mine is a 2003 TD5. I've found I have to floor it to make it work. Ive since put lockers (e-locker rear and air in the front) interestingly since having the rear locker, I barely ever have to engage the front. I don't work the vehicle that hard anymore. Mine looks exactly the same as the silver V8. Nice Video
Interesting, it would be great to confirm that somehow. The traction controls performance on my silver disco seems to have slowly worsened. I suspect that something is not working correctly but not to the extent of triggering a malfunction warning from the SLABS. Maybe, yours is the same. Have you had it long? Generally, I never even have to use my rear locker.
@@dustydisco2906 I’ve had my car 6 years now. When I first got it I would charge up hills so momentum would typically get me up. I drive it slower and try and crawl up, but with the sway bar still connected I would not flex enough. I feel like my TC engages still better than yours but less than the blue disco
Slabs units in the modern units are suposed to have a faster response compared to the old ones...mine is a 2000 and it works great tho. I go 2" lift, 30mm spacers(legal here) and 265/75/16(to fit 33" a brake test and money are required here so I'll go on with the ones I have). Good video cheers
For TC to work the best your break pads needs to be in top top condition 247 otherwise the spinning wheel wont be stopped easily.
My Disco 1: 5.0 Rover V8, auto, lsd front and rear. 255/100 r16s aired down to 12psi. 4.75:1 axle ratios. It does work.
Yes guys! Been waiting for another video. Keep them coming. Just the sort of driving I love to do 👌🏼
Thanks mate glad you enjoyed it, the blue one has been off the road for a while and has just blown a gearbox, old mate is furious! He's threatening to sell it! might be a short while until the next video..
@@dustydisco2906 I've got a white manual Td5 to take its place ;) If you guys are ever around far north coast NSW let us know!
Love to see how good the old girls still are. My 2.5 tdi's gearbox is on the way out so I've ordered a Winchester Gears R380 stage 2 gearbox and stage 2 transfer box. I have no intention of getting rid of the old girl and reckon it's a fair investment as the gearbox and transfer box are the weak points in my humble opinion. Look them up, expensive but cheaper than been stranded with a dead box in the middle of nowhere. Probably going to go for some Gwyn Lewis heavy duty propshafts as well. Mega Squirt has a ton of info on uprated differentials too. Hope some of that's interesting. Got my body protection from Dirt Monkey Offroad. All the best guys.
Mate you're gonna have a very reliable and capable rig before long!
You're right about the gearbox being worth it. we put another second hand gearbox in the blue one and it let go so it has since been sold! He might have kept it if that didn't let go.
@@dustydisco2906 Thanks pal, just going to have to repair the wallet now!! 🤨
Love the video! Have a 2000 disco auto with 37s and portal axles! Amazing vehicles!
Thank you, and that sounds wild, I'll have to check it out!
Does the tyres rub on the blue disco with only 2 inch lift? Really nice videos you have put together. i'm running a stock Disco 2 with TC, auto, ACE and TD5. Love the car. Considering a 50mm lift.
Very humble landy owners!!! I am sure that resue would have been celebrated by the toyo owners if it was other way around😂😂
To be fair, I wouldn't have gone into that bog so hats off to him for having a crack! They were by themselves in the middle of the week and from another state. They were lucky we were there.
Weirdly seemed to be some spots where the TC in the silver disco was struggling to do much. I wonder if the brakes had got too hot, or maybe it could do with some new pads/discs?
Hi mate thanks for the comment- I agree, sometimes I thought it wasn't working at all. You can see the wheel "jerking" sometimes as drive is being sent to it, but its not enough to either make that wheel spin or make the vehicle move. I suspect the shuttle valve or the earth for it is on its way out.
edit: pads and rotors are Brembo and new.
Great vid. I'd love to come wheel for a day.. similar setup d2a v8 with harrop locker.. 31's
Thanks mate, do you live near the Glasshouse Mountains? How does yours go off-road?
Put some lockers on those discos. TC it’s ok but can’t compare with a full locker.
Navy Blue Disco seems to be 235x85xr16 , not 255. Yokohama Geo G003 MT .tire pressure little bit high for the rocks.because the tire surface areas are a bit narrow. We await comparisons in the mud.
Hey that's cool I have a 2002 dark blue with the same Land Rover sticker. Same ARB bumper pretty much same setup but it's the V8. It has TC and CDL. I need to shoot better videos though I just have a bunch of short little clips my kids do for me. You guys inspire me to get out there and make better videos of the crazy stuff I get myself in
Thanks mate sounds like a good setup. I take it you're from the US? We call them a Bull bar :D Glad we inspired you, get out there and have a crack making a video! link it here if you do. The camera never does the track justice though... which is disappointing. It definitely helps having an adult on the camera, but good on the kids for having a go :D
@@dustydisco2906 yeah absolutely I will! I have some short clips on my TH-cam but nothing special. And you know it never looks as cool on video or the hills as big unless you have a good camera and even then haha
fact is that this car is missing rear and front diff lock. Strange is that it does not have it. Some time ago we compared G wagon and defender. They have both managed through path but G wagon with much less effort
Cool video😁👍
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
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ill have a crack, will it do it automatically?
Awesome video guys. I’m always jealous of the tracks out there. I am on Vancouver Island in Canada. Do any of the discos have ACE?
Thanks mate. You don't have state forests you can drive in? These are government owned pine plantations and the tracks follow the powerlines you might see in the videos. The silver Disco has ACE, all the specs are at the end of the video :D. What about your disco? I'm guessing its the V8 too?
@@dustydisco2906 We do have some good areas, but often times the roads are gated or managed by forestry companies who try to keep us out. And I thought so judging by how much articulation the silver disco has. I like the ACE system. My disco is a V8 with ACE, CDL and SLS. All Disco’s in Canada/America have the V8. A friend of mine imported a TD5 and it is awesome 👏🏼
@@VanIsleDisco How about dedicated 4wd parks/ properties? "Pay and plays" we have plenty here too. but I prefer not to camp in those places they're always busy. I love ACE. handles like it's on rails on road, limp off road. they just nailed these discos (bar the engines) and then went to a fully independent setup...Im on the hunt for a TD5. the V8 is prohibitively thirsty..
@@dustydisco2906 I believe there is some places like that for dirt bikes, atv’s and side by sides, but nothing substantial for off road trucks. As for ACE, I think it is a fantastic system too. It’s always performed so well for me, both on and off road. I find it crazy when people want to remove it.
@@VanIsleDisco have you seen dirt lifestyle's videos? I'm in Bellingham WA fixing up my first disco, an 01, so don't really know what's out there but Nate has some crazy 4x4 videos in the Washington area
Hi guys! Which front bumper is mounted on the blue disco? 😉
No tienen bloqueo de diferencial? no diff lock?
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Hi, no rubbing at all with 33" on only a 2" lift ? Always thought that 32" (235/85r16) was the maximum. Thanks.
What rim offset is the discovery with 31s running?? Are they +6 or +25
Mpre vids plse brother up the Aussie Disco fam P.S im in brizzy
Even if the gray V8 is superior for power for torque and for tyre size the difference is made by the driver! 😜
The drivability of the auto is definitely better in the silver one than the manual in the blue one.
but the blue one is more fun to watch surely?
what exhaust setup is the td5 running?
Quite frankly, I would not even walk up those tracks, never mind drive! Both Disco's seemd to be adequate . It's all about lift in the end. Very well filmed though. Was it a GoPro?
Thanks mate. Any more lift though and we'd need to extend brake and abs lines, worry about castor correction, pan hards and watts links, prop shafts, it seems like a headache. We enjoy the challenge of getting some moderate cars up moderate tracks, it's a lot cheaper! :D
filmed on a GoPro in "linear" mode (it's supposed to have less fisheye.)
@@dustydisco2906 You did well. 'Moderate' tracks? Lol !
disco getting aroused at 6:57 lmaooo
I hate when CeCe makes you want to flip. The area I live all the trails are super dry and Rocky with really steep sections bumpy like 35 degree angles so any slip with TC suddenly kicking makes you want to flip backwards. I need a rear Locker so bad. I get the old Landrover guys on Facebook that only drive into UK telling me I just don't know how to drive it properly or pick the right line and I'm like dude you don't know what the trails are here in Southern Arizona some of the hardest Jeep trails. Traction control just makes you want to flip oftentimes. Unless you have a brand new Rover where the TC Works immediately. I want to experiment with some left-foot braking even though I have traction control just ride the brake and the throttle pretend like I don't have it see what happens haha I don't mind getting the wheel in they are but some of it is way inappropriate and dangerous
If you're Auto, definitely. At the very least keep your foot there for when it does kick and use the brake to control it. would you rather too much traction from TC trying to kick you or none because you have two wheels spinning :D
Great shot mate 👍
what did you do to prevent the 33" tires from rubbing with just 2" lift?
On the silver one I had factory 18" Westminster rims (in our first video) with 275/70R18 and I had to cut the bull bar and the plastic rocker/sill trims on the front but still get the occasional rubbing.
on the rear, it rubs on the back of the actual Quarter panel. It would need cutting eventually.
I removed all of the exterior plastic on the panels too.
As for the blue one, they're a narrow tyre so they don't rub too much but a little bit had to be cut with a grinder too!
@@dustydisco2906 It's clear now 👍
I too experienced this observation with 31.5". Thank you for the answer.
I would examine the brake system, maybe the brakes are worn, or there is air in the system..That traction control seems like it is not working properly.
I thought so too. The brakes on the silver one are near new Brembos. I might have to replace the shuttle valve and perform the earth bypass mod to rule that out next.
The V8 has a sticky lifter can hear it coming and going, what oil you running in your d2's?
I have no idea what it is, I had assumed it was a slipped liner and I'll let nature run its course. It comes and goes and has done for about two years.
I use a 15-40, anything thicker and it cannot build oil pressure at low rpms. It could have walked cam bearings, a cracked oil pump, a dodgy lifter or a whole range of problems. I'm on the hunt for a diesel to replace it.
@@dustydisco2906 yeah id put Money on sticky lifters or slipped liner as you know the 4.6 is prone, yeah man going td5 or getting out the disco game? I'm currently cruising around in a manual V8 d1 for me d1 was always the better one d2 for the td5
So the blue has 03-04 slabs unit does it work better than prior years? I have a 2002 TC and CDL.
Its supposedly better. We have considered doing a test, swapping it back and testing it on the same lines. but... he's blown a gearbox in old blue...
@@dustydisco2906 dang I never heard that. Man that sucks about the gearbox
@@landrover1155 He's gonna sell it as is! no help sorry
Are any of these vehicles using a centre diff lock? Looks to me the manual doesn’t and the auto does.
Both vehicles had their centre diff locks engaged for the whole video. Perhaps due to the nature of the auto it seems to spin wheels less, what do you think? Thanks for watching!
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Only 31 likes ? Wonder what men are watching these days 🤦♂️
May be they are watching cartoons hahaha
You Kents have all got it completely wrong! There is no 4x4 better than a rusty 200tdi Discovery running no lift, cut guards, dirty chip oil in the fuel tank and a set of secondhand Lee King tyres you bought for $2.50. No traction control needed, it's got smacktion control.
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