LAND ROVER VS. JEEP OFF ROAD | Which is a better Overlander?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- We took a Land Rover Discovery 1, Discovery 2, and a Jeep JK Rubicon off road to the Black Pearl Mine to see who wins the age old argument, Land Rover vs. Jeep. Will it be the the rugged simplicity of the Discovery 1? Will the traction control in the Discovery 2 hold out long enough to make the trip? Or, will the Rubicon's 35's, locking front and rear differentials, and electronically disconnectalbe sway bars rule the day?
Who's gonna be Captain Jack of the Black Pearl when all is said and done?
I'm definitely a land rover man myself but that maybe because I've grown up in the UK surrounded by landrovers a d I've always driven landrovers off road, they are surprisingly capable off road if you know how to drive them properly, my dad actually teaches people to drive off road using completely stock discovery 1s and everyone is always surprised at how well they perform on some quite tricky stuff
I hear ya! Our disco never fails to impress me off road!
Land Rover discovery 1’s for the win!!
Same
I totally agree 👏
Disco's and LR's are special vehicles.
As a military man, I feel like a Jeep is more of a fast assault, weapons platfom design like the humvee or a buggy while the Rover is more of a patrol, troop carrier design, like the Gwagon. They're meant to live at different paces.
Great production quality and history lesson on Tungsten! Curious why the 4runner didn’t get any love in this video. Also it’s unfair to compare the Jeep Rubicon with all its modern advancements to the Discos. However I can see your takeaway being that the Discos can hang even with the best of me at a fraction of the price.
Thanks, Victor! We definitely coulda shown more with the 4Runner, we'll try and get something with it out in the next couple few weeks.
😆. MRSP 40k for a loaded 2004 landrover disco 2. Insane maintenance cost for early discos and major reliability issues the later discos with that V8 4.6. Jeep cherokee xj mrsp 20k loaded one of the best engines (inline 6) of all time absolutely bullet proof! It's 2023 and you still see them on the road. Low maintenance cost and reliable with 7k more invested with period correct upgrades differential lock, lift and etc, etc is still way under purchase price of the disco 2 and way more reliable. Again, you are comparing a heavy v8 truck with a light inline 6 turn on a dime crossover suv that is arguably for the money and off-road capabilities the best price point for what you get. However, landrover discos are just so damn cool and I wish they were just not a money pit or would have one. Stick with my cheap reliable bullet proof 2001 xj.
Sad thing is that Land Rover just kept on getting more weird and luxurious and doing everything the hard way to make good Street handling Vehicles. A new Defender is nowhere close to what a Rubicon can do off-road. I would take an old disco with lockers over a new Defender any day if it was purely Offroad challenges
You hit the nail on the head; Wranglers have a high entry cost and need upgrades to equal or exceed the capabilities of a stock 20 or more year old Discovery. Though, anything that old will need refurb/repairs. Love my D2 with added dif-lock.
jeeps stock are more capable then any disco
@@LukeIoccaf Oh, ok, it must be true because you said it. Good argument!
@@LukeIoccafactually a new Rubicon is very capable I drive a discovery and I'm proud of it but a new Rubicon will outdo any Discovery from the factory the new Rubicon is the most capable vehicle made. The discovery doesn't have front and rear lockers to Discovery doesn't have as much wheel travel and articulation the discovery doesn't have disconnected sway bar links from the factory.
When you say added diff lock you're talking about in your transfer case which makes your truck go from all-wheel drive to four-wheel drive that's not a real diff lock we're talking about axle diff locks. A factory Rubicon need-to-know modifications at all it is outrageously capable. Look at my page I have a discovery Series 2 with a diff lock in the transfer case that's not a diff lock to confuse people with the axle diff locks it's just making it go from all-wheel drive to four-wheel drive LOL it's nothing to brag about they should have not ever made ones without it for you to be able to go get one and be proud of it when you lock your Center diff you're just making it standard four-wheel drive
@@wjsj69 I drive a pretty modified disco series 2 CDL traction control 35 in mud terrains and lifted with no sway bars and I could tell you I've been on level 7 trails and was following Jeep rubicon's and I thought I was doing good because my disco was almost at its Max and then one of the Jeeps stopped for a moment in one of the hardest parts of the trail and told me he was going to put his into four-wheel drive because the entire time he was just in two wheel drive high range using a rear Locker in first gear and then I realized other than the stats on them right then and there I could tell they are far more capable. My disco at its best was that guy just barely switching over to four-wheel drive still having low range and a front Locker not used yet. I know Land Rover has a cult following but facts are facts. We could take a brand new Land Rover Penny model and it would not do what a new Rubicon can do. Simply because the new ones don't have the articulation or proper wheels or twin lockers. Now an older solid-axle Rover with modified suspension and twin lockers could be pretty close. I don't think the price point is worth mentioning because a new Land Rover is way more expensive than a new Rubicon and way less capable and way less reliable. You want a powerful Rubicon you get a 392 Hemi whereas a Land Rover you get a little supercharger turbo POS along with terrain management and full air suspension with low profile tires gets just a joke again I'm a Land Rover owner only reason I don't have a cheap is because I can't afford a new one and even a 2004 TJ Rubicon used and almost $10,000 on average whereas a disco is like $4,000 because the Jeep told value stream Lee well not all of them but Wranglers and for a good reason.
I've been a Jeep guy since 2000 ('86 cj7, '97 TJ, '84 cj7, currently an '89 yj, '90 xj, '99 xj, '95 xj, '98 xj). Im trying to decide between another XJ or a disco 1 (or an '04 disco 2) so I love watching videos like this since I don't actually know anybody that owns one
I really like the history lessons in your videos. The drone footage was awesome - couldn't tell that there were 40mph winds going on. Looking forward to seeing more vehicle comparisons and camping gear reviews, especially on lower budget overland items.
Thanks Todd! We appreciate you putting on a show for us! It was awesome!
What? I have to wait to see who the winner is? Man, come on Sunday...
Great picture to start the video off with - if you are a Land Rover guy. :)
Sorry buddy, shoulda warned ya’. I needed the clickbait!
Thank you for this video; for the longest time I have wanted a Jeep, but today I was thinking of a Land Rover. I have never driven either yet and I am sure there is quite a difference. I think you have finally made up my mind on what to be looking for and purchase.
That disco 2 with no CDL very possibly has the CDL in the transfer case, they just left out the levers to engage it. Quite often you can simply add the correct lever and have the ability to lock the CDL. A Disco 1 with CDL and a Disco 2 with no CDL are very similar off road. Add a CDL to the D2 combined with the traction control makes it a fair bit more capable than a D1.
In my (limited) Jeep experience at our 4x4 training site a non-Rubicon 2 door Jeep on standard size tyres was just about able to keep up with a Freelander 1 tdi auto and couldn’t follow a standard Discovery 1 with very similar sized tyres. Mostly down to no lockers and no sway-bar disconnect. This meant it cross-axeled easily and lost traction. There is a lot to be said of soft long travel suspension. LR never really did anything like a Rubicon version - shame really.
I imagine. I can’t believe how much articulation our D1 has!
@@MattKester and you got later D1 model with swaybars... i got 200tdi witout any swaybars, on front, and on rear straight from factory. :) And i could easly outperform in case of flex bassicaly every stock vehicle including rubicons. And 200tdi with their torque from low RPM and lower gear ratio in first 3 gears of LT77 manual gearbox is quite good performing car.
I got into Land Rover when I bought my 18mth old 200tdi 3dr in 1992. They were pretty new then and it literally cost me half as much as my house. No anti-roll (sway) bars. I started off road competitions not long after. I kept breaking standard dampers so upgraded to De-Carbon. They lasted until I sold it and allowed even more articulation.
I thought the JL's came with a center diff lock in 4L. Maybe the JK's too?
@@drarbo1 JK's don't have center locking. That is more for the all wheel drive and/or full-time four wheel drive vehicles.
I like the rovers...but I think jeeps can pretty much hold there own....even a ford bronco and a k5 blazer can get down....it's all on how there build and set up....and a good driver....but most importantly its about having fun. ..cheers
Amazing video mate, thank you for this moment !
A hello from France, by a Discovery 1 owner ;)
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I actually really enjoyed your history intro, very interesting spearhead into the main topic!
Thanks, Carter! I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Nice analysis. Think I'll keep my Jeep GC WK2 diesel with QuadraDrive II and lotsa extra bash plates, rock sliders, etc, and I will finally add that winch that I've been wanting since I bought the thing new back in 2015!
I'll bet you can get just about anywhere you'd ever want to go with that setup!
Wow thanks for sharing. I didn't even know about the Average Overland podcast!
There a great bunch of guys from Southern Cali. Definitely worth checking them out, they put out a new episode every Friday at all the usual outlets.
some disco 2 was also equiped with cdl and active sway bar
Another brilliant video - by the way I re-connected my power steering with new lines, and so far all is good! Again, so far, and fingers crossed nothing starts leaking. I'm one step closer to doing fun off-road stuff with it!
Thanks! Fingers crossed for you buddy, I hope she holds!
Disco 2 with centre diff lock and traction control is the one to have.
Disco @ the weekend. You know it makes sense 😅
On my ‘04 Discovery II I have both TC and the Center Locking Diff. I have zero problem keeping up with guys that’s have dual locked jeeps. And by comparison the Land Rover blows an ‘04 Jeep TJ out of the water in terms of off-road capability...
I have the same thing you just described but a brand-new Rubicon with front and rear lockers sway bars disconnected and taken to its absolute limits are discos can't go they will flip over but sometimes you feel like because you could follow those guys that you're as good as them but they're not going to the max limit so when you're pushing yours to the Limit and you're following them thinking they are too they're not LOL I've learned. Something with more flex and twin lockers compared to something with standard four-wheel drive and traction control is no comparison when maxed out. I see standard four-wheel drive because that's what we have our CDL is just locking front and rear together like traditional four-wheel-drive when it goes from 2 wheel drive into four-wheel drive it's nothing special people throw around CDL like diff locks I'm like no I transfer case diff lock is just putting awd into 4 x 4. So basically like I said something with less travel, standard four-wheel-drive and traction control isn't as good as something with much more travel, twin locked, disconnected sway bars and wider wheel base on the ground. A new Rubicon can crawl over stuff wouldn't believe but most owners just don't do it. You are correct though an older Jeep from the same time. In stock forum is not as capable but a disco like ours compared to a brand new Rubicon that's a whole nother story trust me
Love your video man! really enjoyable and more down to earth than the other channels. I love yours and The Story Till Now. Next time bring a Jeep 4 doors with you. i have a Jeep JK 4 doors and 2 dogs and i have a lot of space inside. My dad had a Land Rover Defender 90 (short base) there was 0 creatures confort in this one :D (but man i love Land Rover (the old Defender the new ones are trash)
I hear you on the four door vs. two door. We're actually going back out on a trip this weekend and I know there will be at least one four door JK coming with us! Thanks for watching and subscribing!
Great video!! The biggest factor is global location. In the UK we got the TD5 version of the Disco 2 which is way more reliable than the V8 the rest of the world got, parts are super cheep and readily available, everyone knows how to fix them and you can mod them to an extent they'd easily match that Jeep. Parts and servicing for Jeeps over here are a lot more expensive so they don't make such an attractive proposition. For the rest of the world though the Disco is a harder sell. In Australia Nissans and Toyota's are king because Japan aint that far. As long as it was designed to be a proper off roader from the offset and not an over weight car with bits of plastic glued all over it they're all pretty much of a muchness. Just check the local market for what off roaders use in your area the most and that's probably the one with the most support. Then go out there and get dirty.
Australia got td5 and I love it no smoke no poke
Awesome video! Just fyi, the Disco 2 actually had two models with the latter being known as “Discovery 2 Series II”. Land Rover realized their mistake and added the center locking diff. I think that was 2000-2004 years. LR3 (Disco 3) had a factory optional locking rear which is rare.
I think I would commit the same level of crimes to get my hands on a LR3 with a rear locker as I would to get my hands on a 300TDI D1!
@@MattKester 😂
Actually that's not true the Disco to was called disco Series 2 that's it I have a 2002 disco 2 Series to what you're talking about is facelift or not facelift they are all called series 2 and the 2003 facelift actually doesn't have the CDL even on the transfer case at all the only one that had CDL Factory was 2004 the rest of them had it on top of the case except for 2003 didn't have it at all nothing can't install it
Damn, i become a fan of your videos. Keep it going, good work, great fun, even greater landscapes. And cars... cars are only provocation.
In fact most of Discovery II got CDL, but did not have linkeage to egage it. Your friend need to do research if his transfercase got CDL and adapt parts from D1 to get ability to engage it
Thanks, Jakub! Yeah, he’s looked into. We were joking around on the way up there that if we had an issue with the three amigos coming on we were gonna have to figure out that trick for engaging it with a wrench that we’d heard mentioned before!
Great video! I’m a Jeep guy myself. 1999 TJ Sahara stock. I’m more into crawling over and around rocks. I always liked 4Runners and Landys because I had friends with them. Definitely a lot roomier than my TJ. New subscriber here. Keep the awesome video’s coming!
Thanks! We definitely appreciate you liking and subscribing! We'll keep 'em coming, you guys just keep watching!
Love the narration
Thank you!
I'm excited to see this
Thanks! Can’t wait for your guys to see it! See you in the morning!
@@MattKester I’ll be ready 😃
Hi nice video. What wheels and tyres are the discovery running? Thanks
There’s another mine near the pearl that still has the ore cart tracks.
Oh wow! I’ll have to look for it, that would be really cool to see!
I just recently sold my twin locked long armed Xj Jeep on 35s in favor of a disco 1. It doesn’t matter how capable the rig is if you hate driving it.
I hear you. There's definitely a nugget in that statement for the argument between ability versus use-ability!
Hey you’re in my country! Hope you enjoyed it! Did you see any Az black rattlers at the pearl? They are up near the stope.
Nope, didn’t see any up there, I’ll keep my eyes peeled the next time.
Great video!
Thanks!
On the 2004 model year discovery, they brought back the diff lock. So you would have a combination of the traction control and the differential lock. Makes the 2004 model rovers absolute monsters
Or any Disco with the CDL capable transfer case. Early trucks are better built and with CDL linkage they're great
Definitely. I know Lawrence has been eyeing up a linkage kit for it. Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll order one and let us film putting it in.
Can't argue with the fact that the earlier ones were built better🤣. The 4.6 in my 2004 disco goes though head gasket about every 40k miles. Maybe an LS swap in the future?👀
@@corbinlauvray1535 Something like an earlier LS3 outta 1500 pickup would be nice. I don't know if I'd want anything else much more potent in there or I think you'll be upgrading driveline components as they start to break or prematurely wear. I have had quite a few people from South Africa mention that swapping in Toyota UZ V8's is a very popular option in their part of the world, too
The Toyota V8 sounds like a fun and interesting option! Maybe I'll consider that.
Quality great video. I am buying a 97 discovery 1 tomorrow. I'm excited to finally have a platform for overlanding to use and upgrade as I go. Its going to be fun.
You’ll have a blast with it. There are very few vehicles in the world as turn key ready for an adventure vehicle as a discovery!
Let’s talk about that well done steak… Everything but the steak looks great.
Well, that was Carne Asada for taco meat, wasn’t really angling too serve it up for a steak. But, since you threw the challenge down, I’ll make sure we get a video of a proper steak on there sometime soon!
got my v8 Landy this week
It's on like Donkey Kong now!
JEEP ❤
Still choose my D1 50000 less why not
land rover easily
too much small talk and an unfair advantage in the jeeps favor lost my interest.
They should get a new Defender and watch the Jeep spank it
So it’s not a stock jeep. Got it.
It's a stock Jeep Rubicon with a 2.5" lift and 35" tires.
@@toddhoffmaster6057 so not stock. It’s lifted
I don’t really understand your point. What exactly are you trying to allude to other than the fact that my friend has a lift and tall tires on his Rubicon? Are you saying the lift and tires somehow changed the results of this admittedly unscientific comparison? We work with what we have access to to produce content. If there is someone with a “stock” Rubicon or, hell, any “stock” wrangler, for that matter, we’ll gladly take the Disco out and shoot a comparison.
@@MattKester I’m just implying that you can’t really compare a modified jeep to stock discos and mention at home it’s better off road.
@@flight2k5a stock Rubicon twin lockers and Factory sway bar disconnects is far more capable than the D 1 it's just a more modern off-road vehicle. Having a 2.5 inch lift doesn't mean anything in this particular instance. They have a lifted defender on 35s it can't even hang with a stock Rubicon on other videos
Love the Landys..
Thanks!
Which is best? That's like determining which color is the most beautiful. Depends. On so many factors I'm not even going to attempt stating them all. A good friend and smart man told me, "Run whatever you like because if you wheel it hard enough they all break." I claim no bias as I own/owned 3 Jeeps and 3 Land Rovers. The '75 Wagoneer was the best winter ski wagon, the '64 Series 2a was the coolest, the '77 CJ 5 was the most fun, the 2 1991 Range Rovers were what I did the most wheeling in taking me to the Rubicon, Moab and many trails in Utah, Arizona and New Mexico. My current Jeep an '07 Rubicon I've only had for a year. I'd be happy with any one of those trucks right now. The Series was the only one that remained stock, lift's, lockers, tires make a good thing better. What's my point? First go back to what my buddy told me, second take whatever you've got and get out and use it, enjoy it, and quit worrying about what's best.
I think to make a fair comparison to the Disco 1, a non Rubicon jeep like my wife's Islander would be better. Open diff's, maybe limited slip rear, locking center in 4L, maybe 33's. Right?
Oh, for sure. Honestly, I think something like a relatively stock TJU with open diffs would be the closest, apples to apples as they’re probably more akin in size and wheelbase.
You're right that Rubicon in the video wasn't even working its hardest you should see what they can really do other than just a little Flex like you can take them literally crawling over boulders. It's sad that Land Rover went completely backwards where they are now where every model is identical with a different body. The defender is a Range Rover.
Fed. Your missus has a Land Rover D1 with 7" front/10" rear articulation dude ! A Jeep Wrangler equivalent would need an aftermarket long arm kit with front CV hubs to match off-road performance ? V.
I was wondering! I was more shocked by the difference in articulation between it and the D2. It seemed like spots where the D2’s would lift a tire, it just kept a chugging without any spin at all.
@@MattKester Fed. Recall the D2 has uni-joints on the front axle like every Jeep Wrangler & rear Watts Link ! If your missus removes the D1 anti-roll bars and fits suitable lifted coil springs and shocks, it could gain an extra 1" of compressed & 1" of extended travel ! V.
@@vincentpoole7588 Dang! So what you’re sayin is it’ll look like Slinky Dog from Toy Story going down the trail? Impressive!
D2 all the way
You know, it was pretty impressive!
That’s awesome ! Makes you wanna go on an adventure !!
Thanks! I highly recommend going and having one!
Random anecdote with (hopefully) a point...
I used to work with a guy who'd spent time working in a sketchy country and, as a reward, his employer had bought him a Rolex Submariner. Nothing especially fancy - stainless steel case, stainless strap and black dial.
At the time I also had a boss who was pretty rich, very competitive and probably a bit insecure.
He showed up at work, one day, with a shiny new Breitling watch and couldn't resist showing it to my mate, who just shrugged and said "Yeah, but it isn't my Rolex".
Couple of weeks later my boss shows up in work with a different watch. This time it's a skeletonised Patek Philippe with (apparently) an antique leather strap.
Same thing; shows it to my mate, who says "Yeah, but I still prefer my Rolex".
To cut a long story short(er), this happened about 4 or 5 times over a period of several months.
Boss shows up with a fancy new watch, shows it to my mate and gets shot down when he says "Yeah, but I prefer my Rolex".
Point is, although it's nice to have nice stuff, your stuff doesn't have to be "the best" to be the thing you prefer.
Also, some stuff just comes with added prestige and it doesn't really matter if it has tangible merit. The prestige is still there.
The only person who can decide if you made the right choice is you, and if you think you made the right choice, other things can't compete regardless of merit.
So; yeah but it isn't a Land Rover. ;-)
Thanks! I think I get your point and really appreciate you sharing it!
Didn’t click on it for the history of Tungsten 😂
Having that grill sitting on the back of where you’re sleeping, doesn’t freak you out? The bears in my area would definitely make a visit
Great question and one I honestly hadn’t thought of. Bears aren’t really a concern in the spots we were at, but it would definitely be on my mind if I was somewhere with a big bear population. It is very easy to pop just the grill off the swing arm and move it to another location further away from camp. It’s actually one of hitchfires selling points that you can take it off and use it as a tabletop model. For that reason, I’d probably think long and hard about taking it on a backcountry expedition somewhere like Canada or Alaska where you tell the species of a bear by whether or not it has hiker bells in its poop!
@@MattKester Ah okay, well that’s good. Here in NC they are everywhere. I see more bear than deer!
@@sarahdell4042 wow, good point there on the hitch fire. I will no longer park next to Matt when camping with my ground tent so close to the food source :)
Oops, yeah, I really gotta think that through!
Be nice to sew a proper comparison
what was that beginning song!?!?
Have one of each 😀
JEEP!
Awesome video!
Thank you
Quite fun. LAND ROVER: "Jeep recovery vehicle"
I want more Cici! less children. I love the history lessons.
Good stuff! I did watch the bumper step repair video first. In this video you can actually see your step swing down almost take out the go pro...lol. too funny
Thanks Louis, it definitely hung down there, that’s for sure!