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One things for sure, 90% of reddit users who say this is bad never shot one and follow comments like sheep 🐑.
*Gasp* Ol my stars, i can't believe you would think such a thing about our dear, honest users over on Readit! hehehe
95%
Doesn’t help that the AK sub is one of the worst gun subs there is, everyone is such an insufferable snob douche
I remember when that happened, I HAVE NEVER seen Misha so pissed off in my many many years of enjoying mishas content.
My new puppy chewed up his camera bag a few weeks back. He was pretty pissed.
@@foxf6 ooo man fox I'm sure he was,I definitely wouldn't want to see Misha pissed,it could always be worse, wait till the puppy starts humping his cat!
Remember early WASR ? Now WASR gets respect . Same thing will happen to PAC from Poland , one day it’ll roll over to a $1k .
@@BlackSpade72 difference is WASR always had CHF CL barrels and forged components
@@Barnes-ml9wg yes sir and I’m aware of that and I used to own WASR and I have nothing against wasrs . People used to hate wasrs back then . Speaking of chrome lined , what I like on a Nitrided Barrel
along with that is that the entire barrel, both inside and outside, undergo the same process. In effect, the entire barrel exterior becomes resistant. Chrome, on the other hand, only protects the bore of the barrel.
Damn Misha that was 5 years ago!? How time fly's my friend. I enjoy your videos as always.
Love the fully stocked bar with an RPG hanging on the wall above it. An two dudes passing an AK around while discussing its finer points. God, I love this country. Sorry, Canada, Australia, etc. You guys blew it.
Thanks Misha, exited to see the end results on this one. 🙌
I have built 2 using Pioneer receivers and had no problems.
The kits were Romanian 10/63s so forged trunions with CHF barrels.
I did have to finish cutting out the mag wells but that is pretty easy.
Thanks for this review. I saw these pop up on the market, and was curious why an import would be so relatively inexpensive. I wasn't fully aware of their history. They also have a .556 underfolder variant which is interesting.
I want to get one of the underfolders and a case of ammo and see how it holds up. Couple extra shifts of overtime to benefit the Soviet Union... I mean the AK community.
I saw the 5.56 underfolder, pretty interesting but pioneer arms track record does make me very wary.
As someone who doesn’t know that much about aks, I recently purchased an SKS to get into the caliber now I want an AK. But my research has led me to believe that zastava the perfect one, not too expensive but very reliable and well-made
Zastava has had metallurgy in the last 5 months. As a first ak I'll recommend palmetto state armory
@@hondabro5162 Um no...PSA is decidedly not better than Zastava.
@@misha5670 um yes. In the last few months zastava has gone back to their shitty metallurgy of the old non chrome lined models. It's okay to cope with your overpriced import.
@@hondabro5162 I haven’t heard anything about this, can you send me some links so I can read more into it? I’ve looked around and it seems like they have chrome lined barrels still, and people seem to agree that the rifles are fine.
@@hondabro5162 gonna call bs on this unless you can link some sources
PSA has gotten their akms tuned in nicely.
I'm really hoping these get better because I'd like to have one in 556
I’ve heard that they have improved
Funny, I was at a recent gun show and came across an AK pistol. It was the Pioneer Hellion pup. Upon exam I saw “made in Poland Radom IO Ohio. This confused me. I remember IO’s were junk and avoid by all means. Thanks for the video, you answered a lot of questions.
Basically the Hellion was their take on the fullsized draco. WBP's Mini Jack follows a similar design pattern.
Let's be clear. I.O. did not make these right? There are just the importers? Much like century arms importing the Romanian wasr?
Hellpup.
Hellion was the the VHS Bullpup
yes, Hell pup ##%^&& auto fill !
I have pretty much permanently written off P.A.C as well as anything manufactured by I.O
The GOAT AK guru we all know and love! Really happy to see you did a review on one of these
I like the wood stocks.
I do too
I bought the forged model with poly furniture early in 2023. Upgraded to a Bonesteel Galil folding stock and Midwest Ind. optic mount and Midwest lower handgaurd. Great shooting rifle and plan on getting another.
Would you recommend to buy ive had a few of the forged ones in hand and like them a lot just don’t want to buy a pos
Mine has been great if not better than some of my higher end AK's. If they are still under $700 I'd recommend it.
Got a question you say you bought the forged model does it have a *F* after the year date ? I've seen people say if it doesn't have an F it's not forged. Thanks
Mine does not have the F after the date. I've heard the same thing as you but don't know where it came from. I bought it from Atlantic and they listed it as forged and the manufacturer's box label lists it as the forged model. I assume the serial number can be traced to verify the model but I'm not concerned about it.
@@Executioner_of_Time. I picked one up lately I was told by the gunshop that it was forged but then a little later I seen people talking about the F marking that had me thinking I might have been mislead. So I don't really know if mine is cast or not now. But anyways thanks for the info. 👍
ANOTHER outstanding video fellas! Really looking forward to seeing what happens along the way. Certainly need to put the dirt to it a toss it around some I imagine 👍🏻
Dirt bath coming soon, I want to break this gun. stay tuned!
@@foxf6 Gonna be a great video for sure! I’m hoping the rifle surprises all of us 👍🏻🍻
Thanks for the fair review. I just put 1k through my PSA GF3 in 1 hour. With 100 fired through it the first range trip. I will have the video posted soon. The Pioneer and PSA GF3 seem to be in direct competition with price.
Agreed, with Zastava kind of in there too.
@@misha5670 if anyone buys the aforementioned before an M70 they deserve a smack... i dont care how many Yugos you already have
Nice.. I have a WASR , 1971 stamped receiver just left OG style with the wood etc.. An have a PSA GF3-E with a 13.7 inch barrel and the pin and welded muzzle. So I could get it with the "folding stock" and not a "brace," especially because of all the new ATF bs that might coming. I don't want to have to ditch the brace or register shit, so didn't want a pistol one..
The main things that kind of sold me and that I was looking for, were the hinged and railed dust cover. An then I wanted a folding stock, I kind of like the under folders. But don't like how it kind of gets in the way of the hand guard grip, an then I also wanted an AK with the sight moved up to the gas block or tube.. An it looks bad ass being a little shorter, an yet still a rifle because of the pinned muzzle. The only thing with that, is they only had maybe 2 or 3 muzzle options. An I'm regretting not ordering the full size with a threaded muzzle, so I could get what I want.
Wanted it be a more modernized looking AK47, but the triangle folding stock is a little classic looking. An now I guess nobody can get anything from Russia, I really wanted the Zenitco PT-1 Gen2 folding stock. Looks way more modern.
Did you order your PSA ? An if so, how were they with the processing and shipping.. Like how did they take, or were they pretty quick ? Idk if it's just because of the holiday etc, an the amount of orders they're receiving. But it's been like 5 days, an they haven't even processed my payment. Let alone shipped anything, even though it was debit and I've already paid for the thing lol..
@@JB-pb9xv Remember when anything you ordered was at least 2 months away from your house. I am a PSA Fanboy. Hopefully they will get to it soon.
Like your bourbon selection. Thanks for review. As usual, well done,sir
Anyone else see how high that fucking cat jumped. All the way to the top of that block shelf
Jroe goosed him.
A Meltdown Video Would Be Interesting 😀😊😎
I moronically impulse bought an Ak before researching it and it’s an pioneer sporter. I was considering getting rid of it after seeing all the issues with them but I seen a few posts about them upping their QC game gave me a little hope. I believe mine is a newer forged model only have a few hundred round through it but it seems to be holding up for the price. Can’t wait to see how the gun runs overall.
If it has an “F” after the two digit year on the non-ejection port side of the front trunnion, it’s forged. If it doesn’t have the “F” after the two digit year number then it is a Cast trunnion.
If you only plan on throwing a few hundred rounds a year through it, either should be fine. If you’re looking for something you would trust with your life, look elsewhere. I own a 22 sporter underfolder with a cast front trunnion, is it a POS, maybe. Haven’t shot it enough to know. It shoots nice, recoils okay, no feeding issues or stoppages. Only took me 6 rounds to zero and it’s been on so far. I didn’t really buy it for “the end of the world” smh, I bought it to shoot every once in a while as a range gun. I’m not an elitist so I don’t really care as long as it’s fun. The AK gang can say what they want and that’s fine, they have all the knowledge. I’m just saying that if you like it and it’s fun to shoot, have at it. Probably in 10 years or less, they’ll be say these are great. I remember a long long time ago when everyone completely trashed the WASR’s and now they’re considered great. There’s a guy with a grey camo painted Pioneer sporter that he started has 3000 rounds through it and he only cleaned it after the first 1000 rounds. It is the cast trunnion model I think from 2020. You can just look for Pioneer Arms Sporter 3000 rounds. I don’t know how to add a link, I’m old lol.
@@Thechameleonofall. If that's true about the *F* marking after the year date that means the one in this video is cast. around 7:40 you can see there's no F there.
@@JohnDoe-in9lc lol, I noticed that when I first watched the video. I was watching all the videos I could on these and when I was about to, I’d screenshot the trunnion and zoom in. I did the same on a video from Atlantic and theirs had the “F”. I know for sure that the 5.56 version with the forged front trunnion has the “F”, but their are some videos that do show the “F” after the date on 7.62’s. My front trunnion is marked identical to the one in this video with the date being “22” on the trunnion without the “F”. I’ve had absolutely no issues with it while using multiple different ammo types. I don’t have a high round count but so far so good. Every couple hundred rounds I pop the gauges in it and it hasn’t moved at all. I have a few different AKM’s but I like taking the PAC to the range the most. If the trunnion is junk and brakes (but doesn’t kill me lol) they’ll apparently replace it. I don’t want to find out hahaha. I have to be honest, I really like the thing. I’d hate for it to be junk because they are beautifully put together. I don’t think I’ll shoot this thing enough to get to the point of it failure, but time will tell. If it goes kaboom and I make it, I’ll report back lol.
@@Thechameleonofall. Just trying to find out which is which because he says in the video (around 4:24) that its the forged model. But it doesn't have the F mark. So how can you know for sure what model you have is the cast model or not.?
I bought one of these as a beater. It does ok, no failures, ok accuracy. Seems to be holding up so far.
A beater ? I guess all AKs are beater 😂
How is it holding up now?
@@marvnation924 I continue taking it to the range and now have about 2500-3000 rounds though it and it's holding up as well as any AK I have owned and I have cleaned it once,. Trigger is hot ass, Shoots about a "minute of badguy", seems to be reliable so far. I have had two FTFires and both were Tula and seemed to be faulty primers. I would say build quality was better than the WASR-10 I picked up back in the early 00's.
I dunno, I think for a little "kick around" truck rifle you could do worse.
@@michaelthebarbarian3380 Thank you for the response. That's actually pretty impressive, although I think since this will be my only rifle for a while and that I'll be keeping it for probably my entire life I figured I'd pony up a bit more cash and get a WBP, but if I ever want a cheap beater the Pioneer is definitely on my list. I appreciate your info.
@@marvnation924 I hear ya. My go to AK is my Yugo M70 Side Folder. I also have a SGL21-66 that has become to expensive to enjoy and I have a little Yugo Krink in x39. But for a beater the Pioneer guns are great IMHO. But honestly, with as cheap as it is to throw an AR together? You are probably best off with that platform.
When it comes to the WBP Jack, 1: they're only $1,200 as of late (if you buy it from Atlantic Arms) not $1,300 to $1,400. They're one of the highest quality standard AKMs on the market, although the shiny polished bolt carrier isn't mil-spec I think it looks nicer, and when it comes to the smooth top cover, WBP sells ribbed ones for like $30.
you’ll be hard pressed to find a sexier AKM than the WBP fox or jadk
5:19 I bought this same rifle one of the new forged models, and I had the same problem. Any steel mags regardless of origin were either extremely tight or refused to lock in at all. The only thing that worked were Bulgarian polymer slab sided mags and Magpul p-mags.
What I eventually ended up doing was taking a dremel and filing down the rear of the magwell above the magazine release lever. Fixed the problem for me.
This is clearly not an issue of Pioneer in Poland but with the U.S. 922r conversion team.
do you like the finish and built quality? Better than Wasr ?
@@stoegerstewie8351 no, the wasr feels more solid. I own both. The finish on the pioneer looks nicer compared to the flaky gray on a wasr, but the wasr feels more solid. The pioneer feels a little light and the dust cover is very thin and seems flimsy. I dunno.
@@stoegerstewie8351 also, i was quite annoyed i had to modify the magwell to fit steel magazines on the pioneer. At least the wasr fit all types of magazines out of the box.
@@R.Tafolla lol my wasr needed a ton of modification to accept any steel mags
@@TheDiameter really? What year did you buy it?
They knowingly sold trash tier akms and possibly intentionally mislead people by using the radom name. That's enough for me to not bother with these people, especially when we have better options on the market.
People asked for an updated review, and I do want to be honest & fair. I am giving them a 3rd chance....probably more than most would already.
@@misha5670 Don't think @TruckingShooter said you shouldn't have made the video, just commenting he will never give them their money. I am the same way even if they miraculously become Izhmash-tier. I already have 8 AK's and 2 Galil's so I'm good on AK's but still like to check in to see how the AK market is. I am just glad I got my AK's when I did because I would not pay today's prices for what you get.
@@OriginalBongoliath totally agree with you. I wouldn't have an AK collection if i had to start over now.
@@OriginalBongoliath I agree. I have many AKs. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I'm looking into ARs now. I can pay $1500+ for the new AK market.
I ordered there forged series 5.56 fixed stock version of Atlantic firearms, this is my first time actually giving them a chance, sure their is better 5.56 AK options, but for a r age you, beater AK in 5.56 I can't really complain, I know I know, someone's gonna say for reply, that buy Wbp Jack 5.56, or FB Radom 5.56 Beryl, but they're not available rn, when they do I'm selling the pioneer arms one to get a FB Radom 5.56 Beryl AK, as I want to say, they're doing a better job on there QC, with forged trunnion instead of cast one, if mishaco was willing to give them that third chance I can say for sure I'd buy one, sootchco, classic firearms, and other people gave them a chance, sure people are gonna say buy a wasr, well I have a 2019 Romanian wasr10 that I've been shooting, and training with for 4 years almost now, I love ethe wasr it's my first AK, but the availability for indoor range ammo is kinda hard to get for 7.62x39 so it's more of my shtf, defense rifle, and outdoor range rifle, I just wanted a different caliber AK this seems to be the best option rn, until I see fb Radom Beryl 5.56, or Wbp 5.56 AK available, I will not spend extra on a milled Bulgarian because who the fuck wants to spend $2,000 on a arsenal 5.56 AK out of my budget.
I noticed the wood furniture lacks the metal reinforcement pins found on surplus laminate furniture as well as WBP new production laminate. I am curious if it will hold up to the hard recoil these seem to have.
It'll probably be fine, but yeah its not military type furniture for-sure.
TLDR version: Pioneer arms not the complete shit it used to be. But still budget AK.
0:42 I disagree with that statement, if an AK isn’t durable and reliable then it is not an AK at all
My experience with the company was pretty positive. I purchased one of their Trainers and got a dud. I don't believe it was Pioneer's fault or the gun, it was just one of those deals where you get a lemon. Pioneer graciously replaced it with a 5.56 gun and sent me a very good rifle. The rifle has been through its paces and already emptied quite a few boxes of PMC 556 and 223 and no issues thus far. I fully intend on replacing the bolt and carrier with a WBP from Arms of America, along with some of the furniture to give it a bit more something. Pioneer is fantastic in their communication and willingness to work with you. I got a lot more out of the deal than I paid for and that was mostly due to Pioneer owning up on some of the mistakes on their part and compensating me in a very satisfactory manner. I honestly believe in redemption stories, and Pioneer is currently in the process of theirs.
i have a 16' black poly. the mag fit on multiple mags is super tight, another note, the side rail was super tight on everything also. jmac customs, utg, and midwest industry all tight as hell. had to take a dremel and buff the rail, oil it, and gingerly tap the utg mount until seated. its lighter than most AKM. it definitely over gassed. all things i can live with. KNS adjustable gas, a $400 combloc customs wood kit with a holosun red dot up top. its sexy
You spent $400 on the furniture but wouldn't spend a little more to get a more proven gun?
@@In-Midnight-Clad you’re hilarious. I also own arsenal Sam 7 and zastava zpap. I like em all.
@@StraightRazWhorChad
The anger Misha felt about the first pioneer AK not being durable or reliable reminded me of when the first two Wasr-10s I bought were both unreliable and full of things wrong. To this day I wont buy anything made by Romarm/Cugir or Century.
Butt but but but....WASR's are perfect! They never have any issues! /s
Yeah, that sucks.
Not sure whether yours were 10/63 or more modern, but cosmetics aside, the WASR series seems to be every bit as reliable as Zastava or any other reputable AK.
@@TheOfficialCaseMade WASR have every bit of terrible reliability involved. A great rifle is one I'd bet your balls on. But they also have lemons. Which one you get? That's the question.
@@SlavicCelery if you know how to inspect an AK, then finding a good WASR it’s not hard to do. My first pick sucked when I didn’t know anything about them. My next two have been fantastic and are on par with any AK when it comes to reliability and accuracy.
@@1973vegas Indeed, picking a good one is key. Also, QA has gotten better over the years. Older imports tend to have more cosmetic and occasionally functional issues.
That Really Cracked Me Up When Fox Tossed the Drum Magazine Cause None of The Magazines Would Fit Right Misha 😂😂😂😩😳 But With East German Steel Magazines Might Fit Better Thank You Both For The Initial Review 😊😀 Misha and Fox 👍🏼
I bought the poly underfolder version.
Mags are hard to put in and a TWS dust cover will NOT work with this rifle. The fitment guide on TWS website says it will work. After sending photos, the engineers at TWS told me to send it back. The TWS website says NO RETURNS on installed covers. Got a full refund. No knok on TWS, they were good folks.
Talk about failure of mags to fit, my 5 PSA AKM47 are very picky ! One out of the 5 will fit most mags the other 4 are almost only Magpul and won't even fit steel comm bloc mags.
Funny enough, I was keeping an eye on these new Pioneers to possibly use as beater AKs if they dropped to the $600 range. Atlantic recently bumped up the price, which makes me think they’ve been selling pretty well.
Atlantic’s site is dangerous.
@@markp4401 why is that ?
@@stoegerstewie8351 Because you can spend several thousand dollars in seconds.
See if it will put 5 shots in 4" circle at 100 yds. After 500 rds. that should prove it's accuracy standard.
WBP seems to have done it right, but at a higher price point. I wonder what corners Pioneer have been cutting, to make it cheaper. 🤔
How hard can it be?
The barrels for one. That’s not a dealbreaker for me
So, any updates?
Did I just hear you say it was slapping your cheeks.....
I bought one of these, knowing it's about the lowest tier. Realistically, it'd outlive me, if it last even few k rounds. Cheapest version too, just black poly. Maybe not for the gung-ho, but fine for me. :)
Try bakes and surplus steel. Also group it and see if that barrel groups tighter than CHF chrome lined.
I will be posting up a long range day next week with several mags, bakes will be in the line. And I will get some groupings with it.
@@foxf6 good deal. Look forward to it.
Looking at the add on Atlantic Firearms, it doesn't SAY it has forged bolt and bolt carrier. It does say forged front trunnion. If it doesn't say it's forged, it ain't.
Just bought a side folder in .556. Looking forward to it since reports seem to say that since they forged the trunion, quality has seemed to improve. Ordering it with 3 mags. Which mags seem to work best?
I love how our version of Jesus of the AKs is BLIND 😂
Great video!
Thank you for watching
You have a sniper sitting on your book shelf
Doesn't everyone?
What type of drum that you use
I bought one recently thinking it was like the polish ak I had Years ago. I didn't realize they had so much problems in the past . Hopefully mine ok because it's the only rifle I have besides a .22
The newer ones are fine and built much better . I'm not having any issues or unnecessary wear in any of mine . I get perfect mag lockup in my x39s with most mags They are built very well , have straight sights , perfect rivits and beautiful finishes . The OEM FCGs are very nice too .
@@michaelwingreen9141 Correct and the rifle possesses the original Military Spec Polish Receiver and Barrel and many of the original Com-Bloc characteristics that you would expect from a Polish-based military rifle. This is the Original Polish AK- Sporter model, however, the rifle does have some Gen 2 improvements.
@@BlackSpade72I don’t know about all that. No chrome lined hammer forged barrel? That’s a stretch to say the polish military uses that.
@@briandavenport8971 Chrome lining is NOT a standard feature of all AK rifles.Yugoslavian variants were not chrome lined. They are the most accurate of the AK variants. Yes non chrome lined barrel is more accurate than CHF barrel . At last non Chrome lined barrel last longer than chrome lined . However full auto is better for Chrome lined .
Run, clean, inspect, and continue.
And send Fox a field gauge as well.
Listen, I don't know what happened with your sample pack bur those new ones the quality is A1 especially on a little pistol version
One of the best AK's you can get. If you dont care about historical value. Your getting alot of bang for you buck, All new part's made in Poland who are neighbor's with the people who designed the thing. I own one of these an a yugo m70 under folder. Now i need a russian...
Magazine issue maybe fixable with Dremel if you are careful enough, but for a budget AK this maybe it, nova cgr AKM from Romania is like the same, but for pioneer actually using the feedback people gave to fix things 3 years later is amazing, more likely I'd like to see you do a range testing part 2 and tell us longevity use, how it will hold up, if it does. It needs more range videos.
Exactly what we say at ttthe end.
Polish it with some 800/1500 sandpaper first.
I had a WASR-10 that needed mag well modification. After I modded the well, it took any AK mag I could find.
Can you do a video on the BFT century arms AK 47
I don’t have my AKs handy but I don’t recall the side rail going over the mag dimple
I got one in 5.56 few months ago, with forged trunnions. Not too bad so far, no failures, eats all kinds of ammo, the accuracy is good. They need to improve on making their cheap plastic mags, the mags just suck.
PS. Updates on the accuracy: it sucks now big time, after 500 rounds. Is it a barrel, I don't know, maybe someone can tell me. I notice some rust of it showing up. I guess you get what you pay for, it was cheap, so the craftsmanship is poor. I will not buy this firearm again.
Oh boy, this should be interesting.
Nah, that comes when it puts Fox in the hospital. I am getting him a set of HS gauges for Christmas I guess lol.
@@misha5670 lol good present. I would be checking headspace every couple hundred rounds. Hopefully they really did improve.
Thanks for the video. I’m in agreement that for the price point of the rifle and how a good majority of buyers will use, it how many rounds they’ll put through it, etc. , it’s a good rifle.
They have made changes to their products
I bet they got a winner this time. I am almost tempted to buy them now while they are cheap once word gets out that theyre good theyll roll up to 1000 dollars.
I’m not so sure. For one thing the barrels on the 1K AKs sold now are likely better since many are chrome lined and cold hammer forged.
it's not chf or chrome lined. get the wasr or zastava.
@@pc5440 Spot on.
CHF isn't automatically a better barrel. In fact, it's a relatively cheap and extremely fast way of making barrels once the obscenely expensive equipment is paid off. All of the super accurate bench rest barrels are button or cut rifled (Krieger, Hart, Bartlein, Lilja, etc). This goes even more so for chrome lining that is virtually pointless for modern non corrosive ammo and typical volumes of fire.
@@TheAsheybabe89 I sense the appeal of the CHF barrel lies in its durability.
My only concern is all the cast parts. Sure the bolt and trunnion are forged, but the BC and FCG are still cast and that really worries me.
I remember back in the early 2000’s I bought a Bulgarian AK from Tennessee arms and within 250 rounds the trunnion snapped,I was dissed off ,Tennessee arms would take it back so I ended up grinding off the rivets and mating a Romanian G kit to the receiver and calling it good ,a expensive stamped receiver with surplus furniture never again forged or nothing..
Owned one for 6 months now put only about 400 rounds Thru it I’ll be back when I hit 1000 rounds I did notice it rusts easy, and I take care of my firearms
I’m hoping pioneer fixed all their mistakes and doesn’t jack up prices if they did. AK’s are ridiculously overpriced these days including ammo.
Maybe one day I'll do a video on why AKs cost what they do in 2022. Its a multi-cause thing.
I recently got the forged trunnion Hellpup Love it absolutely no issues yet.
PAC has been making commercial AKs for about a decade now, so surely they've more-less figured things out by now.
so let me ask you sir.. is the metal parts.. jagged, as in any screws, or metal edges rough to cut your hand?
There’s several videos of the WBP jack with problems ejecting brass so all firearms have issues and I’d rather roll the dice on a 700$ ak then 2k$ ak that might have problems too
And now I hear that WBP orignally also used cast trunions? Why did I never see the backlash about WBP? Pioneer has been the recipient of more criticism than ANY other gun/gun company I've seen in my life
@@neonnoodle1169don't read reddit and some forums, they hivemind. 5-8 yrs ago wasrs got sh-t on way worse than these and they were $500, now they're $1100 and reddit virgins praise them
When and where can I see the update 800rd video?
very soon!
Mr Mishaco Sir. i learned a trick in armor school which may help you in some of your videos. Use your fingernail on machined areas or areas where a bolt runs. your fingernail will catch on imperfections. I used it on M2 50 Cal MG. and would use a small hone stone to get rid of the issues. For you, given the sight issue, this would illuminate to us as you DO have FAR superior touch senses then i do. just a suggestion.
Thanks for the review 👍 How is the PSAK-47 GF3?
I just learned PSA has a new model 59 Spiker copy out!!!!!
Are you thinking about buying it? Just curious about why folks are interested and like the spikes type 55.
@@letsgetit90 I’m on the fence. I already have their generation three with the blade bayonet. Love it.!
I bought one on an impulse buy last year, first AK. Cast trunnion. I had trouble with the trigger not resetting the first time out and the gun shop told me I wasn’t pulling the trigger correctly. That I was “riding it”. I was told I need to pull the trigger very differently than an AR. Thoughts? Should I replace the trigger and if so with which trigger or just sell the rifle? Thanks for your great videos.
try out CMC triggers AK47 Single Stage Trigger
Hey SERIOUS QUESTION!!! I picked up one of these, guessing it’s from the 2020-2021 years, it’s plastic so I grabbed a wood kit at a gun show, I was a little confused when I removed the front hand grip, and gas tube assembly,,, I found a second gas tube in the bottom of the hand grip??? So I have two gas tubes, one above, one under the barrel?????? Any help on this is appreciated! By the way if I hold just shy of trigger wall, I get the full bump fire so I could also use a link on how to identify full auto from semi, and even if there is a hell fire mod of some kind like the old sks hacks , I think that second tube is in need of one thing for rapid ejection of projectile with limited finger movement lol. I think I worded that so I don’t get a knock on the door lolll🤠✌️
isw there a serial range or other indication
helping determine if the Radom Sporter
from Pioneer is after the problem time?
Looks nice
To all who reads these comments.
MISHACO is the ak47 guru
Could you make a video on the Century Arms CGR? It’s made in Romania supposedly not by Cugir
Its made by Nova Mod. i bet ya'
@@misha5670 What’s Nova Mod?
@@markp4401 Made the PAK9 and NAK9.
@@misha5670 sooo that's a good thing, Right !?🤔
I hope they do gooder,
But "PAC?"
Pioneer Arms Calashnikov?????
Being a regular guy who has owned a few good aks I will stay clear of them. For the money you are better off buying a Wasr or even a PSA or paying more and getting a wbp or arsenal.
Naw. WASR is trash compared to these. You're giving bs information.
Aren't WBP's bolt carriers plated/washed?
Definitely feel the suspicion at every word in this video. Never heard misha complain about recoil on a wood stock akm, or the bolt carrier being “rough” over the trigger group. Knocked my ear pro off says the new guy?
Guess we will see how mishas does. Doesn’t feel very “equal opportunity”. Blued finish for those curious.
This is the 3rd time....giving it a chance at all is enough of an equal oppertunity. BTW, Jay voiced the same complain with the Zastava PAP M70 back when it came out; that it had harsh recoil and the stock knocked his earpro off.
Sugar scoop muzzle breaks always make me feel like the stock is beating me up.
This is the first time I've heard it stated that the later Russian, Polish, and Romanian Kalashnikov's have cast bolt carriers. I know at a later point (not 100% sure on the date) they started using cast rear trunnions, rear sight blocks, and front sight blocks but had no idea about the carrier. Are they cast steel or cast iron? With as soft as cast steel and/or iron is the carrier tail would rapidly get peened/mushroomed. As happens on the RAS-47 and Pioneer Arms AK's which have cast bolt carriers.
I have a large collection of AK's, many are Soviet era parts kit builds. Going over them right now to see if I can identify any cast bolt carriers.
Yep, they definitely swithed over. Izhevsk first, Tula a few years later. Of course the bolt itself remained machined. One reason RAS47 carrier tails were deforming as it turned out was the Tapco G2 (or G2 style) hammer. Of course another reason was over-gassing to the point of the carrier hitting the rear too hard over and over.
Not that this has anything to do with these particular AK's but what ever happened to Riley defense? I haven't seen nor heard anything about them in s while
It’s missing the full auto trip on the bolt carrier. The ejector has the crimp. Id like to see it bump fired with a couple of drums. If your having trouble inserting mags, it might just need a bit more dremeling of the lower rails or the back of the mag well near the mag catch. Or even the sides of the mag well of the receiver. Although, I’ve seen all kinds of mags have different dimensions. So probably JRA opened up the mag well to be kinda tight so you could later open it up if you wanted to. Easier to remove material than add it back.😊
Most of your imports have the trip milled off or it was never there to begin with. Its perfectly legal to beon the carrier, which is why so many US kit builds still have it.
“Opened up ten mag well go be kind of tight”
Thats the stupidest thing I’ve heard. K-USA and Zastava had problems with tight magwells at first but they acknowledged it was an issue and fixed it.
Really debating on their 5.56 UF
Considered getting the UF version, but figured this one would be more comfortable as a long-term shooter.
You really had problems with the drum?
Wpuld you recommended getting the newer cgr over this rifle? I like the furniture on this gun more but just about everything esle seems nicer on the Century Arms rendition.
Anything over pioneer lol
FYI your piston is NOT chrome but nitride sir
Dust cover Yeet! (Coming soon)
You already know
@@foxf6 Hey, it was how we fixed that defective WBP Fox about 4 years ago. Turned out that the dustcover had gotten bent slightly during shipping, just enough that it was slowing down the bolt group.
I hope these rifles are good for what they are worth
I love your reviews Misha. Even tho this rifle is functioning it still doesn’t have my vote. I want a gun that can take any mag that’s in my pouch and I find that to be reason enough to not purchase one. I also don’t trust anyone involved with IO and I’m sure their statements are valid but I feel like they might have cheaper out somewhere. The bolt should be clearly noted as forged or not forged in my opinion just as easily as they noted the forged trunnion or nitride barrel. I feel like if you leave room for questions they will take advantage of that 🤭😅
For what its worth, i do believe PAC when they say that they have completely split with I.O. Inc. Afterall, Zastavas were originally imported by EAA and then CAI, but today Zastava-USA handles everything.
@@MishacoOBA awesome I might have missed that but i appreciate your response! If I get some extra cash laying around I may pick one up just to push the paces!
@@TjHeuer-ct7eo This is not a high-end AK. Iit could however challenge the PSA and other entry level AK offerings. That said, i am skeptical still but willing to be convinced with more data.
Even Century Arms doesn't use cast trunyons anymore.
I just put a down payment on a dwp ak 556 today
Looks like it doesn't like alot of mags at all which isn't a good to go thing for me that's a big thing for me is mag fitment I can't stand a tight magwell
What's strange is its only tight in the rear. The front seems normal/fine.
@@misha5670 that is strange Misha it's also the first ak I've ever seen with a black piston on it instead of in the white
Bulgarian mags for the win I guess
what do you think Misha about the new Century import from romania? i think it is meant to replace the wasr in price range
I asked him the same thing on Patreon yesterday. That rifle is very intriguing isn’t it? The price point and the 1913 rail are what excite me.
I went over to reply, but the website was being a bother lastnight and i was very tired. Basically, i know nothing about it right this moment. I have zero connections these days over at century.
@@markp4401 it is. at first glance i thought it was a wasr with a dimple, given the furniture and the CGR designation (Cugir?). im wondering if its a “fake import” like the Pioneer arms stuff. whereas it is in fact an ak, and from poland, but it really isnt a polish AK.
@@ihaveastoma3869 Like 'Radom', 'Cugir' is a city; not a factory itself. Look into Nova Modul Srl. They are located in Cugir too and make the PAK9 and NAK9. Right now I'd imagine they are the most likely canadate for these, but if they are the maker, it will say 'Nova' on the side somewhere. The actual mfgr has to be written on a firearm, especially when it comes to imports.
@Misha On the front left of the receiver it states Made in Romania Nova Modul. Looking at Nova Modul website, they call it the RAK1S. Identical in the pictures except the CGR has slant brake.
Nice videos.
Seen alot of these lately. My old wasr was my first ever ak. Followed by the arsenal after i knew a lil bit. Then the wbp jack. Save the cash for the wbp or arsenal is my advice. No way should u have to pay 13 to 2k for a ak but it’s 2022 lol. At least the arsenal or wbp is gonna be solid and outlive most shooters schedules and retain its value if u should ever need to sell in a pinch.
Wonder how much an Arsenal sam7 will be worth if imported guns ever get banned.
@@TheTrampmasters Probably ~$5000 - $6500
I really want them not to suck. Their 5.56 pistol is over 11.5" and it has a hooded front sight ):
I've wanted to get one of the Pioneer Arms PPS-43Cs for a while now but it just seems their quality and reliability is just not there.
When those came out in 2010, they were $299.95 with 4 mags. For that money, they were a good deal since most parts are original circle11 mfg from the '50s. What are PPS43cs going for today?
@@MishacoOBA Classic has them now for $599. I've seen some reviews saying it's a great little shooter and some saying it looks good but their's doesn't cycle good. I know that in most cases, when you have to basically re-engineer a gun from an open bolt design to a closed bolt, it usually effects reliability. It seems everything has doubled in price as far as imports go.
@@colddeadhand7414 A lot of that is down to the ammo used and the reliability of the 50+ year old mags. That said, the PAC made hammer/trigger group has been known to fail sometimes too. Luckily, the barrel, trunnion and bolt all seem solid enough.
I made the mistake of buying a Pioneer Forged series. Took it apart and the cuts were misaligned and different shapes. I looked at the suppose forged running and it looked like it was mixed with cast. Thank god I I ended up buying a Zpap M70 and not have to worry about it blowing up in my face. If your in the market for an AK just get the best one you can or save: it will help you in the end
Do you still have the Pioneer forged series Ak?
@@acogjefe4769nope bro I sold it and bought a ZPAP M70