The Last of Us Part 3 is Going to Be Insane (Spoilers)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.พ. 2024
- Hey guys!
So now that we have more information on The Last of Us Part 3 and the direction they're heading in, I wanted to do a video giving my predictions for the final instalment in this franchise. I could be wrong about the details, but I feel very confident about my predictions. Let's dive into it!
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if Ellie does end up being the cure, I'd love to see an epilogue where the cordyceps is cured and humanity is trying to repair itself. maybe from the perspective of an adult JJ, or Lev.
Same! Almost like the Walking Dead comics ending!
Too corny imo, and that makes Ellie and Joel’s relationship falling apart redundant
@@cocob0l0Eh I disagree with your take
@@cocob0l0 i agree, it would feel like it was wrapped up too nicely. naughty dog wouldnt do a "happily ever after" ending, specially cause of how they approached part 2 - killing off joel
Personally society had its chance so I don’t hope for it to be cured
Neil was so smart when deciding to have Ellie raise Jessie's baby. Imagine ellie not being able to look at her son's face without being reminded of the person she got killed by going on that quest of revenge. I think in the third game she needs to overcome her guilt to be the parent that was taken from her
Totally!
I would love for TLOU3 to be about Ellie finding meaning and worth in her life. Understanding why Joel decided to save her and would do it all over again.
Having her move on towards a better purpose (not sure exactly what). If you’ve seen Vinland Saga season 2, I would love if it went a similar route as that.
I agree, I want her to be able to understand why he did what he did!
Trauma therapy simulator with zombies
Did you not play tlou 2 lol, the ending literally shows that she let Joel's death go.
Thats a movie, not a video game
I need Ellie to have a near death experience where she sees Joel and tells him she forgives him after becoming a step mom she understands and they fully reconcile.
Yes!
@@pixel8ted the fact they never adressed this bothers me. After becoming a mom and seeing what it was like to have a child she never once said to herself “this is what Joel felt for me”
Abby should try and come in peace with Ellie. Kidnapping her wouldn't be too sincere. If Abby is to win Ellie's trust and forgiveness.
That's possible! I could see her coming in thinking the plan is one way, and then it takes a turn, and then she swaps sides due to what the fireflies do!
ELLIE IS THE BAD ONE!!!
@@mr.kwamid-86_43 But it's Abby coming to Ellie. Not the opposite way around.
Why would Abby want or need peace with Ellie or have her trust or forgiveness? She's been over it all long before Ellie.
@@Ant4gon1st There's still bad blood between them.
The last of us story has been about Ellie from the start, I can’t see a 3rd game not focusing on Ellie. She’ll learn dying isn’t the only way for her life to have meaning…
I think your pitch for the story was great, I had thought many of the things you pitched myself with Ellie & Abby.
Neil said himself this is the story of Ellie! I've heard some say they think the game will have almost no Ellie in it, but that makes no sense to me either.
@@pixel8ted same here, Ellie is the last of us, there’s zero chance she’s not the playable character for the majority.
the first game was about Joel.... sure we played as Ellie for a chapter but even then it's to show us the impact Joel has had on her. Failing to understand that Part 1 is about Joel is honestly fucking hilarious in the year 2024.
@@pixel8tedtoo bad Neil isn't the only writer for Part 1 (and proved that he doesn't fully understand the nuance brought to the story by Bruce Straley) with how he handled that god awful hbo adaptation.
@@brotherbrod No it was about Ellie. that comes from the creator & director, we played from the perspective of Joel for the majority yes but the overall story was about Ellie’s immunity & being a potential cure for the world, in Neil’s own words he said they were building this new heroine in Ellie & this is her origin story.
Joel was a fundamentally important part of the story, you play through his perspective after all but overall it was Ellie’s story. That comes from Neil so if you have an issue with that take it up with him.
Ellie calling Joel dad is like the only thing I want out of a 3rd game
Yes!
when Joel died in part two imagine if Ellie just uttered dad right before the killing blow
For real I don't get when people always want to push this bs about Ellie calling Joel dad, it feels like the most unnatural thing ever speaking character-wise and would sound like a dialogue straight out of a poor fanfic
@@semago29 i mean fair but like come on man
@@semago29I agree 100%
What I think part III will be about:
2 year time jump from TLOU Part II, Ellie is still in the process of redeeming herself and restoring her relationships with other people, Jackson has expanded and has become part of a network of communities in the western United States, who run a large jointed community of settlements, the infected are mostly gone, and the world is slowly recovering, the people, however, aren’t. Ellie has decided to return to Jackson, and after people learn of her immunity, she has become a pariah in her community, Abby and Lev have found the Fireflies, and are working on a cure for the Cordyceps Fungus, learning to make a strain that can kill off those taken by the virus, they are still at war with FEDRA, and have many splinter groups devoted to wiping out their enemies and the infected to solve their problems, rather than restoring the world. A very large splinter group, calling themselves something like the New Precinct or the Settlers have been engaged in a war with FEDRA for a number of years, and have brought the war to places near Jackson, the game is about Jackson and the Fireflies protecting themselves from this ongoing war, the game ends with Ellie and Abby being forced to fight side by side against FEDRA and the Splinter Group, and eventually coming out on top, Ellie faces an injury in a final battle against the leader of the splinter group, and when nearly dying, has a vivid vision of Joel, who she finally forgives, before being healed and sent to a hospital, in the hospital, her blood is used to create a medicine, which is tested on her, removing the cordyceps from her bite wound, and from her brain, Ellie returns to Jackson and many people there have begun to accept her again for her selfless actions to protect them, her relationship with Dina is finally healing and Tommy has been able to recover due to the resources donated by the Fireflies. Time skip to 5 years later, Ellie is back with Dina, and Tommy has repaired his relationship with Maria, The infected have been practically eradicated, as the cure has been released, making people immune, Ellie has also met with Abby, they talk out their differences, and understand that they will never be able to forgive each other, but express regrets for what they put each other through, leaving each other on good terms and with closure, Ellie, Dina, JJ and Tommy visit Joel and Jesse’s grave, and Ellie says some final goodbyes, ultimately expressing that she understands why Joel did what he did, and realizing that she still cared about him, even if she couldn’t excuse his actions, and she understands that he made the decision of the human instinct to protect your child, she carries a now fixed watch with her, and leaves the graveyard with JJ, similar to how Joel was with Sarah, and the game ends with Ellie being happy, being able to live a normal life with her family and friends. The title screen changes from a run down, makeshift home on a street near a relatively empty farm, to a well kept street, with a field of wheat where the field was, and most importantly, people, going about their lives, there can be a rare time where you can see Ellie in the background, just going about her life, she’s happy, living in peace, The End.
Interesting stuff!
To good to be true 😭
Nah sounds gay I got a better idea, in fact I’m gonna work on the story and try and make a deal with naughty dog and see what they think of my story for last of us part 3
Once everything is wrapped up, I'd love to see other completely unrelated stories told within the universe. I think Seattle was evidence that entirely new factions with radically different ideals could easily exist. The universe is so rich and dense, and the possibilities are endless, well beyond the core narrative
Yes!
It's implied that other countries have fallen to the cordyceps, so imagine a game taking place within another country entirely.
@@ADcommenterYes, I would love to know what’s going on in other countries
It’s awesome because despite having seen so many locations and met so many people/factions within these 2 games, there’s still so many people and places that we haven’t met and visited in this world yet. What’s Europe like? Japan? Mexico? While I doubt the series will ever take us there, it’s intriguing to think about
Ellie has no idea that Joel killed Abby's dad. I think they left out that information on purpose so they can bring it up for the 3rd installment. Also, it feels a lot like part 2 was set up for Ellie and Abby to face-off against the rattlers together - but I bet they decided to save that for the 3rd game too (the idea of fighting together I mean)..
Good theories!
Actually Ellie does know....when they were at the theater Ellie says to Abby....I know why you killed Joel....he did what he did for me....Nora told Ellie why Abby came after Joel
@@Gaymergirl69X I thought that too but she thinks its because of what he did to the fireflies. in the commentary Neil Druckman said.. "Ellie doesn't get it" when she says that line. I didn't know about the Nora ting though
God I hope not, Abby needs to stay in that boat at sea and never come back
Something the show did that would be a very cool feature for the next game was the roots on the ground that alert infected to where you are. Imagine while you’re sneaking around with infected in the room, you have to also watch out for the roots. If you step on one, not only do the infected start attacking you, more infected also come to your location. Obviously not a whole army like in episode 2 of the show but maybe like 4 or 5 extra ones. It would make stealth more engaging then it already is.
They could add a whole new horror element!
My idea is that Abby will find Ellie for the fireflies and the series will end with Ellie making the choice to give her life to make a cure. I never really thought that it made sense that Abby's dad was the only one who can make a cure, there has to be another doctor alive somewhere and maybe the new fireflies found them.
That's possible!
Sometimes you're dat guud that no one else can covah foh you! Let alone get da jerb dun, 🌞
That’s a possible ending however I don’t hope that Ellie would sacrifice herself for the cure since then Joel died for nothing😢
I know that’s what she wanted but I honestly don’t think she’ll ever do that otherwise Joel will have died for nothing along with so many other lives taken
I like this EXCEPT I think they should have ellie chose to sacrifice her life for the cure but then they can do it without killing her. Her life has meaning, I don't think she should die at the end
Why so many theories hardly ever includes JJ as a central character when it comes to imagine a sequel ? JJ is the full embodiment of the legacy of part II, his name is a fusion of two peoples names incredibly important to the narrative and characters, Joel and Jesse, a kid born not long after real traumatic events for Ellie and Dina, and bearing the initials of the two peoples names they brutally lost : Joel's death, that started the whole bloody quest for revenge, and Jesse's death, who, in the end of this quest is killed as a collateral victim, consequences of this whole vendetta launched in the name of justice. It serves as a demonstration on how Ellie and Dina put a real significance behind the name of JJ and how he embodies the lessons they've learned from their mistakes in going for revenge. Interesting dynamics could emerge between them as he grows, like, how Ellie is going to transmitt her life lessons and experiences to him, how Jesse's death might play a role in Ellie's guilt, raising a son who has no father because of her bloody vendetta in part II.
About forgiveness being the theme of Part III for Ellie, forgiving Joel IS already the story of part II : In the last scene of the entire game, Ellie remembering her last conversation with him is a reflection on how she finally managed to forgive him at the end. It could also foreshadow how Ellie is hoping to potentially try and rebuild her relationships with her loved ones, the hope for Dina to forgive her. She learned the cost of unresolved issues and grief can have. Because what also motivated her rage in part II was that her and Joel were in bad terms when he died. She felt like he died not knowing she still loved and cared for him despite her bitterness regarding his actions. Ellie lost Joel abruptly, and couln't stop it, the way she should have died suddently in part 1 : she now gets what the idea of her dying in an unfair abrupt death did to Joel back then, as she litteraly lived Joel's fear in part II, and has integrated and finally understood why Joel made the choices he did.
In addition, her, as an immune individual, realizing she isn't the solution to the world's problems and doesn't have to bare on her shoulders its salvation in a quest for a cure, is also something she already integrated in the end of part II. In her journal in Santa Barbara, she drew the Rattlers logo, and underneath, wrote : "Scars. Wolves. Fireflies. Fuck all these groups ". Ellie is grouping the Fireflies with other violent factions like slavers or cultists. It's an indication that her view of them has greatly changed during the game. In Part III, we could see her completely reject the ideology of the Fireflies, and also FEDRA. She has realized the futility and hypocrisy of these ideals of another time, and she now refuses to conform to expectations that do not align with her and many peoples' reality.
This is a great point, JJ will probably play a bigger role than expected!
I don’t know where Part III will go, but if I were to venture a guess, this is what I as a fan would see:
Abby and Lev found the Fireflies and have been working with them for a couple of years now. Their numbers have grown and they are trying to find another possibility for a cure to the Cordyseps Virus. Lev accidentally lets it slip about Ellie and the Fireflies demand that Abby help them find her. Abby says “No” because she doesn’t want to open that door again due to the pain it caused her. The Fireflies use Lev as leverage to force Abby into helping them. Lev escapes and decides to persue Abby and get to Jackson in order to warn Ellie. However, Ellie is not in Jackson as she never went back. Ellie couldn’t deal with the pain of losing people she loved anymore, so she went off by herself and now no one knows where she is.
A lesson that Ellie will have to learn is that “Joel gave her a chance to live. So Live!”
Part I: Love
Part II: Hate
Part III: Life
Very good ideas!
Pretty good tbh
I actually don’t hate that
Why is it so hard for people to not call the FUNGUS a virus?
Like everywhere i go i see them call this games' disease a virus
I would love Part III to actually explore events between outbreak and Boston where we play as Tommy in this 20 year gap
As much as I understand your idea of forgiveness, I think Ellie has already forgiven Joel. She was going to give him a chance until he died. And she fulfilled that forgiveness vicariously by sparing Abby. It’s because she’s able to forgive someone like Joel that she’s able to do so with Abby.
That's possible!
Thanks man for making this video. I was having a hard time trying to figure out on my own where the story could go after part 2 and I just couldn’t think of anything but You shined a light at the end of the tunnel. Great video and thanks again.
Glad you enjoyed it!
If Part 2 is Ellie’s fall, then Part 3 needs to be her rise, and given everything she’s gone through I think it needs to be about her finding her own meaning, for herself.
Maybe similar to K’s character arc in BR2049?
Whatever direction they go, I’m sure it’ll be amazing.
Agreed!
I like your ideas! Sounds like fun to play through. Hope we get something similar.
Hoping it's great!
I honestly wouldnt like it if the 3rd one dont have anything to do with Ellie, the 3rd one should be with her and not without, ive seen comments that maybe it could be her finding redemption which i would love to see, but id actually like it to be not only that but also Ellie finding out that the fireflies are still very much alive and that more are being recruited, and once she finds that out, thatll be how we would get a start of another adventure in the 3rd game.
That's possible!
I think there could two concepts also added here. 1)Ellie might not be the only immune, this could be explored alongside how cruel humans can be to achieve a result 2)a cure might not even be achievable and if the cure isn’t even possible how Joel’s decision could affect Ellie after realising this
Both of those are possible!
I 100% agree, pretty much all your points are completely reasonable and probably will happen. Adding onto the point I have to say I think it will be a mix of forgiveness and acceptance, because Ellie kind must have thought or be thinking she lost Dina and JJ, almost lost Tommy for a fight, lost Joel, and just accepting who she is as a person and the cure, so I think a huge part of it will be forgiveness and then learning to accept, along with accepting Abby dying for her and that people who seem bad maybe aren't fully evil people and have reasons! It's something I would love to see be leaned into, because acceptance scenes are always great and emotional. I also really want to see her accept why exactly Joel did what he did and realizing she would do that for JJ, and understand why he did it, and then forgiving him.
Really interesting!
i’ve had similar ideas, abby and ellie would make such a great duo in this way! i love your idea of ellie living to an old age then offering herself over and truly finding her meaning in life is not just to provide a cure! damn there’s so much material for them to work with
Yes there is!
These are amazing points! i totally agree w all of them, and I REALLY love all the full circle moments we’ll hopefully get to see!
Agreed!
Abby and Lev (and maybe an army of Fireflies) march toward Jackson. Maybe Abby finds the logs that the Jackson Scouts leave and discovers Ellie’s motherhood, and that’s what leads her to leave the Fireflies to warn Ellie. I can definitely see her taking shelter in the lodge where she killed Joel and being overwhelmed with regret.
That's possible!
Your predictions are js like everything coming full circle like Joel having too much karma to live and the same about abby and how her feelings connect to the first game. It's really interesting and i acc hope they do some of your predictions cuz itd be fun to see and play and hella ironic lolll
A prequel game where we see Joel and Tommy during the 20 years, during the early stages of the apocalypse, would be insane. A year one game would be cool to see - especially Joel's life after Sarah...
Also, a Tommy solo game would be great! I really wanted a Yara and Lev DLC where we see their time on the island just before they left the island.
I totally think that will happen. Tommy can't really fight anymore, but I think you will play as modern Tommy dealing with the grief of Joel, and seeing flashbacks of his time with Joel and what they did. I think it could be really cool! Either that or they find a way to put that in Part 3, but I think it'll be it's own game.
Tommy was in the army I guess lot of skills adapted to the survival of the fittest in this mad world
Yeah lets play an entire game of a guy that we already know dies. Oh wait, already did that.
It could also be a radical departure from the cure element and become about a new faction that are trying to take over and will crush any opposition this forces abby and ellie who are now both happy in their lives to put aside the past and team up and face a bigger threat to their futures by having to take down the new regime,this would make sense also in terms of how they cross paths again with the added twist of having to work together despite their history
Negan shows up haha!
WHAT I THINK IS what will happen is that Ellie said before in the first game that she is waiting for her turn because she had many friends that have died because they have been near her so I feel like it’ll be her turn this time, and the story will end with her passing away or maybe her choosing to not live anymore and gets killed by something or someone
That would be tragic!
I honestly always imagined a TLOU game but it’s an open world. With an offline and online mode and a create ur own character for each. Starts off by getting saved by Joel and Tommy and they take u to camp (Jackson) and from there u explore every poi/ open world/and landscape. And u just do missions taking place a year before Joel’s death...idk if it’s just me but sounds cool either way😭🙌🤷♂️
That could be a cool idea!
A Tommy prequel with the falling out of him and Joel with frequent flashbacks to him and Joel would be awesome. Would be cool to see what happened to Ellie or Abby too.
Yes!
You know what would be cool twist? A new Immune character, but as villain. And probably a new "Firefly" that Abby rebuild, since she is Dr Jerry's father and with Ellie and probably Tommy as the founding. But this firefly will not be as Marlene which only focused on crusades and rebellions, but it's about building society and community with example of Jackson Community
Another immune character could be cool!
I was also thinking another immune character would be cool, but I didn’t think of them being a villain! That would be interesting to see. I think part 3 will need another antagonist bc Abby is no longer Ellie’s enemy. Should this new character be a male or female, and what age? I don’t think Ellie would pursue a revenge journey again so what would make Ellie want to go after them? What would make them the villain?
I have a quick question, at 13:25 and 12:20 when did Neil ever said that Ellie’s immunity will be a big part of The Last of Us 3?
think you're pretty bang on for a lot of that. not sure about the cure at the end. but! perhaps it may take that long anyway, as they don't have someone who is skilled enough to create a vaccine that they are aware of. perhaps they will have to be trained/study first anyway.
so if so, perhaps they will go on a quest to find someone with those skills, or find information to give to someone with medical skills. or create a training facility.
im actually anti cure unless they can find a way to do it in a way that is not too cheesy. and i hope it's still different/ moving / sad / heartbreaking a little haha.
also i really hope she is working out things with dina, i suspect she is trying at the time at the end of the 2nd. i really want abby and ellie to team up somehow. and yeah i think that will be fun if they can find common ground but they hate each other at first.
I agree!
It took them 7 years to come out with a sequel for the first game. So if they do the same for part II then we should have part III by 2027
I definitely think it will come at the end of the PS5 life cycle, I think that's why they remastered the other two games for it, so that the trilogy will live on PS5!
We need a prequel to the Last Of Us where we get to see Joel during the days after the outbreak and see him with Tommy and traveling to Boston
Yes!
@@pixel8ted thanks for the heart! ❤️
Yup
IVE BEEN SAYING THAT AND NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO ME
Man...I was really hoping for a The Last of Us Prequel with Joel and Tommy's journey through the 20 years of the pandemic. Maybe they can just make another trilogy focused on that after they finish this trilogy. Really doubt it of course, but one can only wish for it.
If not, at least after the trilogy, give use 1 prequel with Joel and Tommy to see how humanity changes throughout those years. How people change, how they change and go from being together to separating despite having survived together and being brothers which in that case is whom you can really trust.
Everyone wants this game!
I agree with all that, but what im wondering is if there isnt going to be rage, hate, resentment, revenge, etc then that doesnt give a lot of gameplay? I believe Tommy is going to be in part 3 too. He left angry, and i wanna know whats up.
I mean the first game was about love and still had tons of gameplay, so I think that'll be fine! I'm hoping we get more Tommy in a small spin off with flashbacks of him and Joel.
As soon as I beated the last of us, part two remastered I said “hopefully there will be a third game so they can have a finale to this” and here we are I think what’s gonna happen is that there will be a another chance for a cure
I think so too!
These were some good predictions, ofc i can definitely see abby leaning more towards being against ellie at the beginning but towards the end she leans more towards being on her side and she makes this official by saying a what could be a very iconic gameing monolog, maybe starting with your not joel and just going from there
I think it's possible!
10:38 you mention about part 3 is where Ellie will learn forgiveness and forgive Joel, but she already forgave him - the moment she's about to drown Abby she has the flashback to Joel on the porch. That is the exact moment she forgave him, and it only made sense to forgive Abby too - hence saving her at the last moment. It's a very powerful moment that often gets overlooked
It's possible! I still feel like there is still a bit more to wrestle through, but maybe I'm wrong!
@@pixel8ted not at all, I just feel like her forgiving Joel and Abby has been done, she didn't say it with her mouth but her actions in letting Abby go 😎 the next story should focus on Ellie finding that purpose (even though she had it with Dina & JJ) - it's a chance to find herself again whilst Abby and lev continue on their journey in less prominence - plenty of flashbacks to Joel and Ellie will be of course welcomed 😎
Going off of your theory, a reason why Abby might choose to protect or forgive Ellie is to honor her father. In the 2nd game, Abby no longer has nightmares about the Salt Lake hospital after saving Lev and Yara. This might be a stretch, but I believe that in order for her to forgive herself and come to terms with her father’s death, she needs to do something that he would be proud of. Maybe this could be a chance for her to die, having forgiven herself and being at peace (hypothetically).
That's possible!
I feel like the overall plot will come full circle. It wouldn’t surprise me if somehow or another they find another surgeon that feels confident enough to perform the operation that Abby’s dad was capable of and perhaps Abby spending the game trying to track down Ellie. One way or another I think that Ellie will finally be able to make the sacrifice that she so desperately wanted to give to the world as she felt like she has cheated death when she had to watch her friend die when they both got bitten.
I do think Ellie will work with Abby to make a cure, but I do not think she will get the long, full life that she wants. I think TLOU as a series will be about sacrifice more than anything at the end of the day, and the throughline between the 3 games will be "It can't be for nothing." Ellie isn't going to let everyone that died to keep her alive die for nothing, and she will fulfill what her life was supposed to do in Part 1.
That's my guess anyways.
I'd be surprised if they undid Joel's wish for her like that, but you never know. It would feel like everything Joel sacrificed was for nothing, but who knows!
great thinking, really enjoyed your thoughts.
I saw in another update that they are talking about TLOU 3 not being released until the next decade.
Heres an idea Jackson is under threat by a new group and Ellie has to figure out who they are etc meanwhile you go in the psst as a young tommy as he and joel try and survive as hunters and why tommy eventually leaves joel so you have 2 narratives like godfather part 2 and the present story draws parallels to the past story, maybe tommy notices ellie be coming more ruthless and adopting hunter like tactics, eventually you get the ending where ellie realises its wrong to be so ruthless and thst her purpose is to defend her community rather than be the saviour of mankind reconciling with joels decision…i dont wanna see abbey or anymore fireflies rather focus on a new group and this way we can finally have a playable tommy in the last of us series
Great ideas!
A possible theory is that we find out Abby is Immune as well. Maybe this could be a major part of the story for part III.
That could be crazy!
The Fireflies coming after her seems like it should have been what part iI was about, TBH.
They show up in Jackson demanding the girl. Ellie realizes Joel lies. Joel was to tell Maria and Tommy what he did and that Ellie's immune. Some people in the town want to give Ellie up, some don't.
Could have been a cool idea!
Do you think they might do a Younger days with Joel and Tommy and what they got up to. Very clever ideas you have for the 3rd game👍
I 100% think they will in the Tommy spin-off small game Neil talked about. Either that or they'll do it in the show!
@@pixel8ted Be alot of waiting time tho, i hope Last of Us 3 will happen next year or maybe end of this year, i luv the first game took me a while to really like and understand the second one tho but i am a huge fan of Both games now.
Nice theory! Maybe they could also have another smaller entry with part 3 like Left Behind was in between 1 and 2. I love this game and anytime we can get “more” is a win.
Would love that Tommy story to be the smaller story they release!
Considering the second part is grief and joel got over his grief with love for another person (ellie) i assume this is also what will happen for Ellie, moving on through love either JJ some new character if Dina is well and over Ellie.
That's a great theory!
I think the cure ship has sailed.. I mean it was specific fireflies that planned out Ellie's extraction and surgery. Then Joel killed nearly all of them and most of the leftovers (Abbie, Owen, Mel etc). Were killed by Ellie, Tommy and Dina. The Fireflies may have regrouped but I feel like most wouldn't even know about Ellie's existence. As far as who dies seems more likely this will be the final chapter of Ellie's life. It feels like Abby will survive in the end. It's usually the more tortured souls that can't seem to die.
It would be interesting to see Abby survive this one!
This last of us remix playing in the background is fire
It's so good!
Something could happen to Dina and when Abby finds that out, it makes her feel extremely empathetic towards Ellie which drives the "team up" and the turning away from the fireflies. The firefly doctors could also be prisoners under their new leadership. In the end, the doctors end up being great people and now that they cleared the corrupt side of the fireflies, she feels ready to sacrifice herself.
That's possible!
Very logical thinking. Can definitely see some of these things taking shape in part 3.
Hope it's great!
@@pixel8ted not worried when Neil was inspired to make the game after seeing Children of Men.
I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS TO BE THE OFFICIAL STORY. At the end of the Doc for the making of game 2, Neil was going on about Tommy and Joel, so I dunno.
I think that would be DLC or a small spin-off game like Miles Morales. It seemed like a smaller story!
i think its logical HOWEVER i hope you’re wrong 😭 i think the way abby/ellies story ended in the 2nd game is perfecf and i feel like they shouldn’t come across eachother ever again. i also dont see her going back to jackson for some reason? but i have no idea how the 3rd game should go lol
late to the video but I wanted to say I believe the next theme for ellie's story wll be about redemption, not sure how as this is just me speculating but it seems like the most likely theme.
Could really work!
This is exactly what I was thinking they would do but I'm thinking of a different ending. It's a story of atonement. Joel atone for his sins by caring for and saving Ellie. Now it's Ellie's turn to attone for the thing she did out of grief and love. Abby will find atonement by sacrificing herself for a cure and dying in that effort. Ellie will offer herself up to save humanity. Their sins are atoned for with a sacrifice and then there's finally peace. The perfect closing to a story.
Good theories!
Maybe there are other ways for Ellie to atone? I feel like sacrifice would be a sad end to Ellie’s story. I know Ellie wants her immunity and her life to mean something, however, there’s a high chance she’s not the only one in the world with immunity. For Ellie to sacrifice herself not knowing for sure if there’s others like her would be brave but also a bit foolish in my eyes.
Ellie and Abby not wanting to kill each other is most likely the first step in a long long healing process between the two. Also the whole idea of them finding a cure using Ellie could spur an entire whirlwind of possibilities most of them not being very favorable ones. Sure they could find another doctor capable of making a cure, but what then? Do they really have the resources to mass produce a cure? If they do how are they gunna distribute it? The cure could also be another thing for different factions to fight over causing even more issues. What's stopping the fireflies, or some other faction, from using the cure to govern lesser people? There's also just no realistic way a campaign to cure the world with their (the fireflies) dwindling numbers would be a guaranteed success because they found a cure yeah, but the world around them doesn't just magically change for the better.
Totally!
Here's my wish. Ellie finds Joel's diary in Jackson. Maybe Tommy gives it to her as a peace offering. Now Ellie can read any of the passages from Joel at any time (performed by Joel in VO) and through her adventure she adds to the diary (this is her way of reconnecting and forgiving him. BUT I'd take it a step further, and have puzzles or side content that UNLOCKS through exploration (probably playable flashbacks as Joel). That would be a nice way to bring him back into the story and keep him alive for fans (and Ellie)
That could be cool!
Yeah ellie get joel diary about his time working in mexcio city before cylop vir broke out and who joel was friends with like nill jerry anna maybe few of anna family was there as well .and how he help anna out o. Some issue with Marlene since anna didn't trust her .then what happen when Marlene used cylop virus .how he try get ellie for anna but Marlene got into room took ellie after Marlene shot anna .but joel wrote anna body wasn't found don't know if she lived or died in fall into water near boat dock running after Marlene get ellie back .then joel wrote about how his marriage fell apart because of his hiding truth what happen in mexico city his wife left him he was firced raise sarah alone .how when he met ellie gave him something wroth fighting for .wished sarah had lived because he believed ellie and sarah would get along really well together. Knew he admit told ellie how Marlene drugged her at hopital refuse letvellie make her own choice talk to Jerry how get cure .but marlene wanted her dead not alive .ellie realize joel did right then by saving her give ellie other chance find other way make cure on her terms find someone help her .then some point in game ellie discover joel alive by running into guy who was involed in capture of joel at near by hiding point over looking jacksin they get into fight ellie beat hell out of him find out he a member of fedra new army there plans to attack Jackson if ellie refuse turn herself in if she didn't they kill joel .after getting were they taking joel .ellie take guy personally to jackson had him locked up so he can't warn fedra if ellie bring anyone but guy try bolt for Gaye try kill kj who try stop him dina shot guy dead .then ellie got few people go w>th her find were joel is .
While I like the idea of the game tackling forgiveness. I just feel like both Abby and Ellie have done way too much damage to one another to ever forgive one another, I think there's a chance they could learn to understand one another but I'm sure if they met again, neither would be in murder mode but neither would want each other around. Both Ellie and Abby would just remind each other of something they want to move on from.
Personally I think the story is going to be about purpose, it's a throughline we've seen through Part I and Part II. In Part I we followed Ellie and her purpose was essentially to die for humanity while playing as Joel who had no purpose at the start of the game and by the end of the game, his purpose became Ellie, he would do anything for that girl and she was his reason to keep going.
In Part II she finds out that Joel killed the fireflies and now her purpose is gone until Joel is killed and her purpose becomes a mission of revenge. Now at the end of Part II, Ellie probably feels very empty and has no clear goal in sight and so I'd imagine Part III will be about finding purpose once again.
I could be wrong but going off the first two games, I feel like this is a pretty good next step for Ellie to take as a character.
Great theories!
My first thought about a part III was a game where we follow Abby and Lev and somehow we learn that Lev is immune and Abby faces the same dilemma Joel faced and maybe understand him, but I think that would be too redondant to really make a good game.
That could be interesting!
After the third game I would love to see some stories from other parts of the world. Could be so cool playing as someone trying to survive making their way through a Brazilian favela or an abandoned European city.
Agreed!
Here's my take:
Part 3 picks up with Abby and Lev, Ellie has finally moved on - she still sees Dina and JJ (but they're not a couple anymore). Ellie is in constant pursuit of Dina's forgiveness very much in the way Joel seeked Ellie's.
Eventually another medical professional shows up who is also capable of creating a vaccine. Abby realises Ellie was the only person and they cross paths again, only this time they become friends. In the end, Ellie gets to finally have the choice of sacrificing herself for humanity.
She can either die at the end In order to make the vaccine or decide screw humanity, we're the real monsters in all of this.
Either way, I'm sure they'll cook something up😊
Whatever they do will be great!
Personally im all for ellie dying but in a way that isnt tragic, it'll be sad but beautiful if she gets to finally make that choice. Maybe she'll meet with Joel in the after life and he can say "baby girl, it just wasn't your time yet" @pixel8ted
I think the third one will be about ellie struggling to heal from her grief and struggling with the fear of whats happening to her as her shakes get worse due to the fungus overtaking her brain. I think they might end it with ellie turning into a mutated form of infected due to the fact that she was in control until her brain was entirely encapsulated by cordyceps. This might cause some sort of big conflict for the whole world because the only known hope for the world still was fully taken over eventually, proving that a cure is impossible and causing a meltdown as the news spreads that even if they did experiment on ellie at the end of the first game that their efforts were pointless and ellie died for no reason.
I hope she doesn't turn infected! Great theories!
Yeah I'm on board with your idears. We need a fourth game about Joel and Tommy directly after Sahra dies leading up to meeting Tess and Ellie. Full circle.
Everyone is dying for that Tommy game!
The problem with the cure for me is that I cannot see an organization discovering it and not keeping it for themselves to have the edge on everyone who opposes their views on how things should be, essentially making them the world rulers.
But maybe there is a person who doesn't get fully consumed by the power the cure would give them and has enough followers that also don't seek the power to rule the world...
+ the logistics needed in such a world to cure everyone o.O
I just want satisfying endings for all the character arcs in part 3, what happens to tommy will he ever recover mentally and figure things out with Maria, how is Dina handling the situation after the end of part 2, is she okay? I am sure we will get to see what happens to Ellie and if she has learned her lessons from part 2 but I also want closure for the "minor" characters. And if Ellie isn't pleading for forgiveness from the people she has wronged (Dina&JJ) ima lose my mind and say she hasn't really learned a thing (but maybe that’s just me as Dina was one of my favourite side characters in the game).
Does Naughty Dog even do happy/happyish endings for their series?
Uncharted 4 was a great ending!
You know what, I don’t think it be Ellie offering herself and Abby protecting her.
I think, it will be the town people know about her being immune and started to turn on her. Ellie, who used to be fine with sacrificing herself for the humanity, now witnessing the ugly human nature of treating Ellie like a walking cure trying to force her hands, she realizes
and understands why Joel, her father, gave up on the world.
And she decides, she will offer herself to NO ONE but people she loves.
Could be interesting!
I 100% agree with your theories, I’ve had similar thoughts
Can't wait for Part 3!
I think you r probably accurate. I couldn’t imagine a better scenario
Hoping it's great!
i have theorised the same thing. Except it will likely be Lev who tells the catalina ff's where ellie is. Then the ff's would raid jackson, killing many including dina or sum1 close to ellie etc..etc...revenge quest!
i also think abby would not be hostile toward ellie in pt3, nor would ellie be toward her, given their arc. Therefor the likely scenario is that she would help ellie and turn against her new ff buddies.
i think it would have to end with abby dying for a good cause, but she must die for the story to feel complete. hopefully she gets infected and ellie has to be the one to put her down. it could even mirror the violence of how she slowly killed joel, if ellie has to off her with her bare hands or a blunt weapon, might be almost as brutal, and it would scar ellie, thus continuing the cycle of violence. i hope to see sum resolution on the whole cure for mankind "sub plot", without ellie having to die! maybe there can be no cure and humanity has to adapt to the new world or perish, would be fine by me. At least that means there would be many spin offs spanning further into the future timelines of tlou universe, as opposed to only flashback games of the period of 30-40yrs of the pandemic beginning and pt3 ending, if they close it out with a cure or something world changing.
btw ellie wouldnt be in jackson during the raid. wherever she is, i highly doubt she went back to dina. would be cool if she went back to Bill, whos still alive in the game as far as we know and its safe there and they're both gay lol so no creepy old man weirdness
Great theories!
I think the LOU III should come full circle with Abby reuniting with Fireflies and finding a doctor with a partial cure. The Fireflies convince Abby & Lev to find Ellie and convince her to come back with them. They find Ellie hitting rock bottom doing mercenary work & smuggling & working for a ruthless crime boss that holds Ellie as his prized possession. The story would involve finding Ellie, convincing her and the escape with Ellie ultimately fulfilling her destiny.
Interesting!
I love all your theories! I think all the stuff you said is really awesome. One thing I hope is that Ellie and Abby team up and we get to explore the lower region of the US. And maybe go back to Joel’s old home in Texas? Idk but more exploration across America is something I desperately want!
That could be cool!
Does anybody else feel like there might come a time in this game where Ellie is forced to kill Tommy?
I can't see him forgiving Abby... feel like he could even be a little loopy by the time this game begins.
I can't imagine how emotionally wrecking it would be for Tommy to turn into a villain...
I thought that part 3 will be the real judge of how good part 2 was
If it's able to build on what part 2 put in place I see the perception of it getting better...... The other issue is how long are we going to have to wait the 5+ year gap is a little large imo and part of the reason part 2 got the criticism it did
Totally! They have to stick the landing on this one!
I feel like Ellie forgave Joel already. That was the point of the last scene on the porch and the driving force of the second game - her feeling robbed of true resolution with him. They had just gotten started on rebuilding when he was taken from her.
The only way the cure can sensibly come up again in Ellie’s life, is if she has another opportunity to do it and refuses out of her own free will. I think the cure coming up again in Part III is fair because it is one of the few plot threads that ties together two very different games. It just isn’t going to be in character for Ellie to give her life up for a cure, unless a ton of new character development happens and makes it make more sense. It wouldn’t be good for Abby and Ellie to meet again, they have played the part they were going to play in each others’ lives.
A long, but good read. Trust me.
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One simple change they could've done to the game to make it resonate more wit players (which is something I think they'll do in part 3 and season 2).
Is that we should've played Abby's side first.
BUT!
It styll happens, but kinda skip over or move around the whole "Abby meets Joel & Tommy in the snow" part.
Start the game wit Abby & co leaving the mansion & going to Seattle & continue up until Abby n Lev sneak into the theater.
(All the while, us getting to learn who these new characters are, how they've been handling the pandemic, BUT not yet show how they link up to our characters, until we get to Abby's backstory and then Ellie's side.)
But do it in a way where we don't kno who it is that's killing all our new friends in Seattle (that we think it's cuz we abandoned the WLF or something).
Then, right BEFORE seeing that we run into Tommy at the theater, we switch to Abby's backstory.
We see that her dad was the one Joel killed.
Now we feel for Abby & everything she went throo.
THEN, we finally get to Ellie's side of the story.
(Yes, it would take quite a while, but this way, not knowing Joel dies yet & knowing what Abby went throo, we actually would feel for Abby.)
Now we play as Ellie's story like normal.
When we get to the mansion, we hear screaming and bust in to see Joel being murdered.
Now we put 2 & 2 together and go
"Ahh! THAT'S why Abby & co. were running away from the mansion in the beginning and tryna get outta there."
Then we go on the hunt for Abby & co.
Now, our emotions for Abby become conflicted wit new disdain for Joel & for some, may jus jump straight to hate for Abby.
And both are fine and perfectly reasonable.
Then, let the story play out how it does.
It would flow better, IMO.
Way better than how they did it.
And the leaks...
(which I never looked at myself.
I jus heard ppl were laughing at a golf club for some reason. Lol
I didn't get it and didn't want to get it at that time.)
...didn't help the game at all, since a lot of ppl knew what happened in the beginning.
But yeh, I personally understand what Naughty Dog was tryna do, I jus think that the way they executed it was backward.
Taking away the option for players to feel diff emotions.
Instead, they jus had everyone pissed as we're forced to play as Abby for half the game, this character who jus offed our main guy from part 1.
The way I would've done it styll gives dramatic reveals, possibly more reveals tbh, and gives the player their own chance to feel whatever way they want to about Abby & Joel, now that we already played her side, got to kno her, went throo trials wit her saving Yara & Lev.
Then, finding out her dad was the surgeon at the end of the last game.
Then, understanding why she wanted to hunt Joel down.
Now that we have the full picture, we can feel and judge the way we want to.
But don't jus take out one of our fav and main characters at the start and force us to play as the killer jus for shock value.
What? Lol
There's a diff way to get the same shock value, like in my version.
I dont want nothing deep but ellie learning what joel meant by protecting her by protecting a loved one of her own.
I think that could play a part in it!
I thinj Abbie has been infected after biting off Ellies recently bitten finger and it will focus on Abbie dealing with the finite time she has left and what she wants to leave behind.
This was an interesting theory, but was disproven by Ellie herself when she said she couldn't infect people. She was bluffing to David, and Naughty Dog has confirmed this. Although, it would be an interesting super power!
@@pixel8ted The fingers bitten off were the ones bitten by the hanging runner were they not? So the cortyepts could still be alive in there, Ellie didn't infect Abbie the residual has.
I think it might be along that way, but Abby will realize she got inmunity from Ellie's bite and the later implications from that
i actually hope your right because that would be perfect
Glad you think so!
"It's called luck. And it's gonna run out."
"Luck doesn't exist. Everything happens for a reason."
-TLOU Part 3
It'll be interesting to see where it goes!
I totally agree. I think the questions of each part are:
1. What will we do for love?
2. What will we do for revenge? (you called this grief)
3. What will we do to forgive?
The real meaning of part II was forgiving
@@giacomorenna822 Says who? Who was forgiven?
@@terranncegilmore that's not the point, but if you Watch the last flashback scene of Ellie and Joel on the balcony you'll understand. I know that all the game is about revenge, but the game isn't that banal
I agree!
Part II ended in a way where I feel there’s no where else we can go from here. But it also ended in a way where I fee Ellie and Abby need to find closure with each other. But idk
People said the same about the first games ending, there definitely is more instore!
I am soo much agree with all you've said, before even start your video I already have those thoughts and you have just detail them so perfectly thank's. I think The Last of Us part III will be the perfect end of this story I'm very confident with Drukman.
Can't wait!
Can’t see a bright theme for part 3 because this is a world where bad and senseless events are always around the corner
That's totally possible, but the first theme was pretty bright (but in a Last of Us way)
To sum it up. I think that Abby and the firefly’s kidnap Ellie in order for Abby to fulfill her fathers mission to create a cure and has instant regret afterwards and then try’s to save Ellie but it’s too late..
That sounds so depressing haha!
It does but that’s naughty dog in a nutshell. Lbs
Not sure about the story but I think it will involve Jackson getting attacked and overrun maybe the fireflies attack it after Ellie.
That could be cool!
Hi!
I would love for The Last Of Us 3 to be about how Ellie redeems herself and finds meaning in her life too!💖I hope that Ellie has a great ending and that she gets the ending that she deserves too! I think she is the best character in The Last Of Us franchise alongside Joel and Dina!
I agree, I hope it's a good ending for her!
@@pixel8ted Me too!
i have a pitch for a story as well and i think it would be very compelling and it would be a solid story. yall wanna hear it?
Hell yeah!!
I'm down for a TLOU prequel on joel. It would be nice to know what he did before part I.
Agreed!
I seriously hope ur speculations are right cuz I love that concept of abby saving ellie and them working together, from the begining i thought that abby and Ellie would be great friends if the circumstances were diffrent. Im a 100% sure im so gonna cry while playing this game and hopefully because i'll love the story and not becuz it's so bad it'll make me want to cry lol
It could be cool!
I heard somewhere that a good sequel is always the lowest point for the characters. Take Empire Strikes Back for example. Han is frozen, Luke’s hand is cut off, Luke learns that Vader is his dad, it’s a very sad broken ending compared to the movie before and after.
I like to hope that Naughty Dog are masters of this craft. This game broke me, it emptied me for days. It stung so much. The character that I’ve loved since I was 13 years old is gone and we don’t even know exactly where she went. It could very well be the perfect sequel with bad pacing. We just don’t know yet. We’ve had the good ending, we got the bad ending, what’s next?
I think it will end on a hopeful note!
Maybe when the fireflies attack they kill Dina, Abby sees that and realizes it’s the same as her with her dad and then decides from there on to protect ellie who is now JJ’s only parent. So she and lev turn on the fireflies and help ellie run away from the attack. And now ellie, Abby and lev for a while are stuck together but I don’t think Abby will die I think Lev will die
That's possible!
Your theory reminds me of Cobra Kai season 4 where Daniel and Johnny learn to set aside their beef and work together
Haha, it's possible!
I think that Ellie, After having a Life with Dina and JJ, would live to grow old before she ever would consider sacrificing herself for the Cure. I doubt that will be the Ending, but a idea to put out there.
That's a fair point, but also JJ is going to have to grow up in the same world she did, and so I could see her sparing him of that!
what if joel still alive and he doesn’t want to meet ellie again and like you see in the end of tlou 2 ellie go . Maybe she’s returned to tommy and maria and she met with joel there . I wish that happened 😢🫶🏻
Ellie got mad at joel for what he did so she didn't want to forgive him but she wanted to try and I think thats what she will do with abby and tell her why joel was so important to her
Agreed!
My honest though is that Part III is gonna open Abby and Lev reaching Catalina Island and not see Ellie for quite a bit.
That would be interesting!