LFP is cheaper (so the car is cheaper), safer, cancels out anti-EV idiots to whining about cobalt, and potentially has less degradation. It's not quite at the battery density to negate the need for NMC, but clearly densities are getting better and the cost / charge advantages will see it being used in more and more vehicles.
I think the LFP battery is a pro not a con. I don’t think the cold affects it as much as European countries. It can charge to 100% consistently and better longevity, also less prone to thermal runaway. It’s why Teslas use LFP now.
For sure LFP is the newer battery standard and definitely better in terms of general EV use. NMC has higher energy density and able to produce higher power output which is usually why you see them in high performance EVs. If you give me a choice of LFP vs NMC given the same range and difference is 2s from 0-60, I would choose LFP for sure.
@@googleuser793yeah bit odd.. I think NMC has more "explosive' power. basically trophy is heavier and to keep up with LFP acceleration while having more range MG had to go with NMC
My friend just bought one and gave me a go. First EV to drive, but boy its anazing, especially for the price. Tore up a very steep hill with four people like it wasn't even there. It is basic but where they skimped is on things i couldn't care less about. Only thing is i wish it had blind spot cameras. Still i'm heading to a dealer next week.
I have the base model Excite 51 and get a bit over 400km range while running air con. I was pleasantly surprised with the plastic on the doors, as I normally hate plastic in cars! But that texture makes it look decent and there aren't any creeks or squeaks :D The responsiveness of the system could be better, it takes a while to get to the driving modes and one pedal driving mode.... Or MG could just give us a programmable shortcut button for our favorite mode and single peddle driving mode, or make it remember our preferences that we set! After all, when you swipe down from the top there is plenty of room to implement this.
Most Teslas built now have LFP batteries, including all Teslas made at gigaBerin. LFP is the prefered battery now and effectively has the same practical range as NMC due to LFP being able to charged to 100% every time, where as NMC is recommened to only charge to 80% most time to preserve batteey life, and only charge to 100% on the rare occasiobpns you need the extra range. I would choose LFP.
I’ve got the Xpower which is fantastic. But none of the negative points are issues at all for the base model, minor inconveniences at worst. Great value for money.
There are two programmable buttons on the steering wheel that can overcome the issues with Air Con . Air con can be controlled via the steering wheel, as can the 360 degree camera on the Trophy trim.
Got one a few months back, UK Spec Trophy 2023 model with rear spoilers. Great it is, though you can read the horror stories about the dealers making users have month long waits for repairs (just hope mine will be ok) and also stories about lack of spares with stuff having to be shipped over from china for repairs. Also if you have one check if yours has got the faulty bulge underneath the car with the floor panel, check it out as it can come off and cause damage. MG states it not a problem but I believe there is a fix in Oz being trialled. Still I love it and it moves very quickly
The difference between made-in-China MG and made-in-UK MG is that the one built in China is better quality in its components and build, and will be far more durable than the beautiful - but constantly needing maintenance/repairs - MGs of old.
MG,S steel is very sus. my dads 2 yo in the UK has huge underbody rust in all the wrong places eg- suspension & steering brackets welded to the so called chassis they catch water & the paint is bubbling off he is being ignored by MG !!!!!!!!! so for now he has paid for a rust treatment himself. they have only given him a 12 mth guarantee on the repair their report states that due to the low quality of build & materials regular treatment will be required & their main concern is the mounting of the battery which is in an advanced stage of deterioration & cannot be accessed !!! poor old dad is now wondering when he will see his battery on the ground after its warranty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For me, I would get an MG over any BYD or GWM. MG is in my opinion the most reliable Chinese brand and while I still don’t like Chinese cars and MGs the MG will be much better than the others, especially at this price point.
LFP is a pro. It's got iron and that allows it to be charged to 100% all the time and can take a lot more charge cycles. This should easily last for approximately 300,000 kms at the minimum.
Have been enjoying our Excite for a couple of weeks . Still learning its character. Curious about the little wheel behind the indicator stalk and what that does to lighting vs the switch at front?
There is a potential safety issue with charging to 100%. At 100% the regeneration stops working. If you are used to one pedal driving suddenly at 100% charge you need 2 pedal driving.
The most advanced batteries in the world right now are LFP from CATL and ZEEKR and BYD but the new CATL SHENXING LFP battery is a major ground-breaking battery. LFP will be majority chemistry by 2026.
It already is a major chemistry, used in most "standard range" cars, and probably across the whole range as competition drives prices down. I also think by 2026 we will have several cars using sodium ion batteries which are less dense but cheaper again and will probably appear in low cost city cars.
Mmmm, not sure that you're right there. Firstly, I'm pretty sure that ZEEKR don't make their own batteries, they use CATL batteries. And although CATL does have some excellent LFP batteries, I think that you'll find that CATL's best batteries are the Condensed Matter (CM) batteries, which have an energy density that is nearly double that of the tertienary batteries (NMC) and thus over double that of LFPs. That the CM batteries are expected to be cheaper than the current NMC batteries can only be a good thing. I know that the CM batteries were expected to go into production in Q4 of 2023, but seeing as there has been no news on this, I suppose that there have been delays. having said that, as has already been pointed out, the Sodium ion batteries are likely to dominate the cheaper end of EV batteries, LFP will likely go into the mid range, and CM into top spec models as well as those areas of battery instalations where weight is especially important, e.g. avionics. This is one of the reasons all these scare stories about replacing batteries in EVs that are bought now are so far of the mark; by the time current production batteries need to be replaced, the batteries will almost certainly be cheaper, more energy dense and lighter than they are atm.
I so dislike that most reviewers spend little time in screen navigation.. many are so bad so non intuitive, so dangerous when driving, just culpable disregard by manufacturers.
LFP are better for resilience and aren't old generation, the drawback they don't have as much power per weight. They have avantages than the other chemistries dont have. See the comment below. Not effect of the cold till minus 20°C. No effect if you charge each time at 100%. Also, handle well very high rate of charging current(3C) and they are given at least 3000 times full charge/discharges. The best, they don't catch fire if something happens. I have this LFP batteries at my home on my solar system and I feel safe. So, it is just question of choice regarding what we prefer an what we expect from EV.
@@sambotten7902 Add in the FWD of all the cheaper BYDs and, although the BYDs have more bells and whistles, i'd much rather have the RWD of the MG. Also worth noting that the BYD dealer network in many markets is pretty slim. Where I live, the nearest BYD dealer is a full hour further away than MG. And I've heard some not-too-great things about BYD after sales in Australia. I could have been tempted by the BYD Seal, but it is only available as a 4 door, and I can't live without a hatchback
You think a brand with decades of experience will give better support?? Did you forget about Jeep or Ford ( DSG gearbox ) or VW ( DSG also). That is why legacy Brands are looking at the Chinese and shitting themselves.
MG has been about since 1920, it is a 100 year old company. Not been making electric cars that long but it's incorrect to say they haven't been around.
Yes, I understand that. But these were back-to-back runs. All from around 85 and down to 78% battery. And the results were staggered. A quick run then a slow run, then a quick run and another quick run and then slow etc. Totally variable. In both directions. I can't figure it out.
If it charges and goes for 3 yrs I couldn’t care what battery it is. In 3 yrs there’ll be some other technology out there - first world problems to me.
Thanks. I need to learn more about them as I’m not an electrician, but higher energy density seems better than lower energy density to me. Your thoughts?
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia This is why LFMP ( yes, it's not a mistype) are going to take over the NMC battery in few years. NMC is actually older than LFP ( well...not that much to be fair) and all the fuff about cobalt and nikel mining ( the latter being mostly used in steel production) has brought the attention to the LFP chemistry . Not only it can be charged to 100% regularly, but it has double the life cycles of an NMC battery. Yes, it's less energy dense, but this problem will be overcome by adding Manganese ( hence, LFMP) that almost brings it up on par with NMC energy density. And we still have to see what's going to happen with the sodium based battery, which are going to be available very soon .
@@DanieleElaborati Interesting. Sorry, I don’t know much about this stuff. I was a mechanic in my younger days but I need to do a course on battery tech to keep up to speed 👍
Give me an electric car as simple as a Datsun, 180 B or a Toyota Corolla from 1984, or before you know just some simplistic basics and a car, not these overprotective nannies, unless you can make it the cars, self protection mode with a car protect itself from your stupidity as a driverlike running into a pedestrian or running into a brick wall running into the rear of a fire engine. Sorry testicles that was Tesla
Why? China builds the quality up or down to whatever the customer wants. Their technology is stunning - China has its own very sophisticated space program, and has done more research into batteries - and produces better batteries - than any other country. I would trust Chinese made cars over many European manufacturers.
Not sure why that's a problem. A lot of "European" cars are actually made in China. And another thing, if it wasn't for the Chinese economic demand, Australia would be a much poorer country.
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The LFP isn’t old and isn’t a negative, it’s fast replacing the cobalt and nickel batteries due to safety, longevity and affordability.
LFP is cheaper (so the car is cheaper), safer, cancels out anti-EV idiots to whining about cobalt, and potentially has less degradation. It's not quite at the battery density to negate the need for NMC, but clearly densities are getting better and the cost / charge advantages will see it being used in more and more vehicles.
I think the LFP battery is a pro not a con. I don’t think the cold affects it as much as European countries. It can charge to 100% consistently and better longevity, also less prone to thermal runaway. It’s why Teslas use LFP now.
Fully agree.. I would've loved to be able to pick LFP instead of NMC on the trophy/essence
For sure LFP is the newer battery standard and definitely better in terms of general EV use. NMC has higher energy density and able to produce higher power output which is usually why you see them in high performance EVs. If you give me a choice of LFP vs NMC given the same range and difference is 2s from 0-60, I would choose LFP for sure.
Yes it's a pro not a con. It's a relatively new battery type.
How come standard has LFP and after that all more expensive don't? Such an odd decision by MG no?
@@googleuser793yeah bit odd.. I think NMC has more "explosive' power. basically trophy is heavier and to keep up with LFP acceleration while having more range MG had to go with NMC
My friend just bought one and gave me a go. First EV to drive, but boy its anazing, especially for the price. Tore up a very steep hill with four people like it wasn't even there. It is basic but where they skimped is on things i couldn't care less about. Only thing is i wish it had blind spot cameras.
Still i'm heading to a dealer next week.
I own the MG Trophy in the UK and just love it. The ride set up is perfect for the UK roads. A true value for money EV.
waiting for delivery of mine and can't wait, this kind of quality as a company car and I am paying nothing above my allowance !
I have the base model Excite 51 and get a bit over 400km range while running air con. I was pleasantly surprised with the plastic on the doors, as I normally hate plastic in cars! But that texture makes it look decent and there aren't any creeks or squeaks :D
The responsiveness of the system could be better, it takes a while to get to the driving modes and one pedal driving mode.... Or MG could just give us a programmable shortcut button for our favorite mode and single peddle driving mode, or make it remember our preferences that we set! After all, when you swipe down from the top there is plenty of room to implement this.
Most Teslas built now have LFP batteries, including all Teslas made at gigaBerin.
LFP is the prefered battery now and effectively has the same practical range as NMC due to LFP being able to charged to 100% every time, where as NMC is recommened to only charge to 80% most time to preserve batteey life, and only charge to 100% on the rare occasiobpns you need the extra range.
I would choose LFP.
Thanks
I’ve got the Xpower which is fantastic. But none of the negative points are issues at all for the base model, minor inconveniences at worst. Great value for money.
There are two programmable buttons on the steering wheel that can overcome the issues with Air Con . Air con can be controlled via the steering wheel, as can the 360 degree camera on the Trophy trim.
Got one a few months back, UK Spec Trophy 2023 model with rear spoilers. Great it is, though you can read the horror stories about the dealers making users have month long waits for repairs (just hope mine will be ok) and also stories about lack of spares with stuff having to be shipped over from china for repairs. Also if you have one check if yours has got the faulty bulge underneath the car with the floor panel, check it out as it can come off and cause damage. MG states it not a problem but I believe there is a fix in Oz being trialled. Still I love it and it moves very quickly
The difference between made-in-China MG and made-in-UK MG is that the one built in China is better quality in its components and build, and will be far more durable than the beautiful - but constantly needing maintenance/repairs - MGs of old.
Nobody would compare this to a BMW. Its main competitor is the BYD Dolphin and GWM Ora which you didn't mention.
You need to research more IMHO.
Fair enough. I’m simply comparing it to its official rivals according to the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries classification.
MG,S steel is very sus. my dads 2 yo in the UK has huge underbody rust in all the wrong places eg- suspension & steering brackets welded to the so called chassis they catch water & the paint is bubbling off he is being ignored by MG !!!!!!!!! so for now he has paid for a rust treatment himself. they have only given him a 12 mth guarantee on the repair their report states that due to the low quality of build & materials regular treatment will be required & their main concern is the mounting of the battery which is in an advanced stage of deterioration & cannot be accessed !!! poor old dad is now wondering when he will see his battery on the ground after its warranty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For me, I would get an MG over any BYD or GWM. MG is in my opinion the most reliable Chinese brand and while I still don’t like Chinese cars and MGs the MG will be much better than the others, especially at this price point.
how about chery
Good review, will get the 77 model early next year.
LFP is a pro. It's got iron and that allows it to be charged to 100% all the time and can take a lot more charge cycles. This should easily last for approximately 300,000 kms at the minimum.
Have been enjoying our Excite for a couple of weeks . Still learning its character. Curious about the little wheel behind the indicator stalk and what that does to lighting vs the switch at front?
It is just a rear part of the switch at front, it is still the same piece of plastic
There is a potential safety issue with charging to 100%. At 100% the regeneration stops working. If you are used to one pedal driving suddenly at 100% charge you need 2 pedal driving.
Good informative review.
The most advanced batteries in the world right now are LFP from CATL and ZEEKR and BYD but the new CATL SHENXING LFP battery is a major ground-breaking battery. LFP will be majority chemistry by 2026.
It already is a major chemistry, used in most "standard range" cars, and probably across the whole range as competition drives prices down. I also think by 2026 we will have several cars using sodium ion batteries which are less dense but cheaper again and will probably appear in low cost city cars.
Mmmm, not sure that you're right there. Firstly, I'm pretty sure that ZEEKR don't make their own batteries, they use CATL batteries. And although CATL does have some excellent LFP batteries, I think that you'll find that CATL's best batteries are the Condensed Matter (CM) batteries, which have an energy density that is nearly double that of the tertienary batteries (NMC) and thus over double that of LFPs. That the CM batteries are expected to be cheaper than the current NMC batteries can only be a good thing. I know that the CM batteries were expected to go into production in Q4 of 2023, but seeing as there has been no news on this, I suppose that there have been delays.
having said that, as has already been pointed out, the Sodium ion batteries are likely to dominate the cheaper end of EV batteries, LFP will likely go into the mid range, and CM into top spec models as well as those areas of battery instalations where weight is especially important, e.g. avionics.
This is one of the reasons all these scare stories about replacing batteries in EVs that are bought now are so far of the mark; by the time current production batteries need to be replaced, the batteries will almost certainly be cheaper, more energy dense and lighter than they are atm.
I so dislike that most reviewers spend little time in screen navigation.. many are so bad so non intuitive, so dangerous when driving, just culpable disregard by manufacturers.
LFP are better for resilience and aren't old generation, the drawback they don't have as much power per weight. They have avantages than the other chemistries dont have. See the comment below. Not effect of the cold till minus 20°C. No effect if you charge each time at 100%. Also, handle well very high rate of charging current(3C) and they are given at least 3000 times full charge/discharges. The best, they don't catch fire if something happens. I have this LFP batteries at my home on my solar system and I feel safe. So, it is just question of choice regarding what we prefer an what we expect from EV.
The interior is really basic compared to the Atto 3 IMO. Put me right off it.
Each to their own, but I found the Atto3 interior extremely garish…too many colours, weird guitar strings, strange mouldings…not my cup of tea at all.
@@sambotten7902 Add in the FWD of all the cheaper BYDs and, although the BYDs have more bells and whistles, i'd much rather have the RWD of the MG.
Also worth noting that the BYD dealer network in many markets is pretty slim. Where I live, the nearest BYD dealer is a full hour further away than MG. And I've heard some not-too-great things about BYD after sales in Australia.
I could have been tempted by the BYD Seal, but it is only available as a 4 door, and I can't live without a hatchback
You think a brand with decades of experience will give better support?? Did you forget about Jeep or Ford ( DSG gearbox ) or VW ( DSG also). That is why legacy Brands are looking at the Chinese and shitting themselves.
MG has been about since 1920, it is a 100 year old company. Not been making electric cars that long but it's incorrect to say they haven't been around.
You're thinking of the original MG brand. It's now MG Motor owned by SAIC in China, officially founded in 2006: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Motor
China bought the MG badge.
Power would vary based on the SoC, if you're under 50% it would not push as hard is what I'd expect
Yes, I understand that. But these were back-to-back runs. All from around 85 and down to 78% battery. And the results were staggered. A quick run then a slow run, then a quick run and another quick run and then slow etc. Totally variable. In both directions. I can't figure it out.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia That does seem strange.. Another con for me is MG is very silent on the support end.. That annoys me
If it charges and goes for 3 yrs I couldn’t care what battery it is. In 3 yrs there’ll be some other technology out there - first world problems to me.
When you turn on Air-condition MG4, you can hear very loud annoying noise anyone agree with me? (you have to hear it from outside of the car)
showing lack of knowledge with EVs :(
Thanks. I need to learn more about them as I’m not an electrician, but higher energy density seems better than lower energy density to me. Your thoughts?
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia This is why LFMP ( yes, it's not a mistype) are going to take over the NMC battery in few years. NMC is actually older than LFP ( well...not that much to be fair) and all the fuff about cobalt and nikel mining ( the latter being mostly used in steel production) has brought the attention to the LFP chemistry . Not only it can be charged to 100% regularly, but it has double the life cycles of an NMC battery. Yes, it's less energy dense, but this problem will be overcome by adding Manganese ( hence, LFMP) that almost brings it up on par with NMC energy density. And we still have to see what's going to happen with the sodium based battery, which are going to be available very soon .
@@DanieleElaborati Interesting. Sorry, I don’t know much about this stuff. I was a mechanic in my younger days but I need to do a course on battery tech to keep up to speed 👍
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia No problem. there's something new to learn everyday.
Please.... when you are doing a review make sure the car is clean and presentable.overall very scruffy.
I usually do. As mentioned in the video, it had been raining all week and this was the last day we had it.
Gosh must not save the MG
Give me an electric car as simple as a Datsun, 180 B or a Toyota Corolla from 1984, or before you know just some simplistic basics and a car, not these overprotective nannies, unless you can make it the cars, self protection mode with a car protect itself from your stupidity as a driverlike running into a pedestrian or running into a brick wall running into the rear of a fire engine. Sorry testicles that was Tesla
Made in China is an issue😂😂😂
tesla model 3, mostly made in china?
Look around your house and it’s all mostly made in china not to mention the device you posted your comment on
Why? China builds the quality up or down to whatever the customer wants. Their technology is stunning - China has its own very sophisticated space program, and has done more research into batteries - and produces better batteries - than any other country. I would trust Chinese made cars over many European manufacturers.
Not sure why that's a problem. A lot of "European" cars are actually made in China. And another thing, if it wasn't for the Chinese economic demand, Australia would be a much poorer country.
They used to say that about cars made in Japan 😂