I don't really think giving extra time to students for an exam hurts anybody. Is that all that is meant with accommodations? If you can pass an exam with extra time you deserve to pass the exam period, no matter your disability or lack thereof. If time is all that is stopping you from passing you have learned the adequate skills and you should have enough time to show that on the exam. I probably qualify for extra time because of ADHD but I haven't ever applied for it because I take tests very fast. I think I probably should have applied though, I think there were some calculus exams where the time was way too short but I managed in the end. Idk this all just seems stupid.
I agree. I did worse on the act than I wanted to purely because I ran out of time. In real life, and especially in school, the only time you ever are given time limits is on tests. Why should my test score suffer because I'm more methodical when I take tests?
Personally, from my perspective as an undergrad knowing the amount of people who use chegg, homeworkify, AI, or rely on a friend group for every assignment I’m inclined to believe that students are just doing everything they can to get ahead while having enough time for anything else is a contributing factor. The other day I was leaving a bar and a guy behind me (I didn’t know him) as I was leaving said, “yeah I had no idea how to do (insert class number), I’ve just been using chegg, I’m kinda concerned about the exam.” Do we have better awareness about people that may be suffering from different, less noticeable mental health issues? Yes assuredly. Simultaneously is it easier to cheat the system if I go into it with that goal? Probably. I’d love to see studies where mental health professionals are tested and how easily they can be convinced to give out accommodations. Does this probably already exist? Yeah. I have work to get back to though so somebody I’m sure will find it.
You missed the ableism which was the first thing in that list. But of course you feel personally called out by the word “racism” so naturally you overreact to it.
@@roguej2 He summarized his own point as "the time limit that's imposed is really simply becoming a barrier for those who are not white and wealthy". If you didn't come away thinking his primary point was that timed tests are racist, then you are responding to what you wish he said, not what he actually said. He, in fact, didn't make any substantive or specific claims about "disabilities" other than socioeconomic disadvantage. I'm also not sure why "timed tests are ableist" is any better. You realize that you have to *some sort of constraints* in order to evaluate capabilities, right? You can debate about what the optimal constraints may be all you want (and people do), but to dismiss constraints with a list of *-isms is unproductive and intellectually lazy.
If an accommodation for a disabled person will also help a non-disabled person, then a generic accommodations is common sense.
I don't really think giving extra time to students for an exam hurts anybody. Is that all that is meant with accommodations? If you can pass an exam with extra time you deserve to pass the exam period, no matter your disability or lack thereof. If time is all that is stopping you from passing you have learned the adequate skills and you should have enough time to show that on the exam.
I probably qualify for extra time because of ADHD but I haven't ever applied for it because I take tests very fast. I think I probably should have applied though, I think there were some calculus exams where the time was way too short but I managed in the end. Idk this all just seems stupid.
I agree. I did worse on the act than I wanted to purely because I ran out of time. In real life, and especially in school, the only time you ever are given time limits is on tests. Why should my test score suffer because I'm more methodical when I take tests?
Personally, from my perspective as an undergrad knowing the amount of people who use chegg, homeworkify, AI, or rely on a friend group for every assignment I’m inclined to believe that students are just doing everything they can to get ahead while having enough time for anything else is a contributing factor. The other day I was leaving a bar and a guy behind me (I didn’t know him) as I was leaving said, “yeah I had no idea how to do (insert class number), I’ve just been using chegg, I’m kinda concerned about the exam.”
Do we have better awareness about people that may be suffering from different, less noticeable mental health issues? Yes assuredly. Simultaneously is it easier to cheat the system if I go into it with that goal? Probably. I’d love to see studies where mental health professionals are tested and how easily they can be convinced to give out accommodations.
Does this probably already exist? Yeah. I have work to get back to though so somebody I’m sure will find it.
Oh. Racism. Of course. We shouldve known
It’s racist to have timed tests. Got it. Your implicit racism speaks volumes about you.
You missed the ableism which was the first thing in that list. But of course you feel personally called out by the word “racism” so naturally you overreact to it.
@roguej2 no, abilism just makes sense in that context. The issue is hes making it into a race issue when race shouldn't ever be a part of it.
@@roguej2 He summarized his own point as "the time limit that's imposed is really simply becoming a barrier for those who are not white and wealthy". If you didn't come away thinking his primary point was that timed tests are racist, then you are responding to what you wish he said, not what he actually said. He, in fact, didn't make any substantive or specific claims about "disabilities" other than socioeconomic disadvantage. I'm also not sure why "timed tests are ableist" is any better. You realize that you have to *some sort of constraints* in order to evaluate capabilities, right? You can debate about what the optimal constraints may be all you want (and people do), but to dismiss constraints with a list of *-isms is unproductive and intellectually lazy.