Hey everyone! I meant to include this in some text in the video, but I’ll put it here instead. The conclusion I make about the cases is the video is correct. The Magic Keyboard for the 11” iPad Pro is 580g and the Combo Touch for the 11” is 474g. So the Combo touch is about 100g lighter! And it’s exactly 100g lighter when compared to the previous version the Combo Touch for the 11”. Sorry if it felt like a little silly in the video without any exact details, hope this helps!
Thanks for the video. It reinforces my decision to go with the Magic Keyboard. I had the Logitech on my old iPad and the track pad activating due to the bendy keyboard was a real issue. I tried the new Magic keyboard at the Apple Store and really liked it. The extra charging port was an added plus. I did go with the black model, but I’ve found that although it does seems to get dirty, it also cleans up pretty easily, so I’m good with that. Again, thanks for the comparison.
That’s awesome! I’m really glad that this video helped you to know you made the right choice! and yes I do have the black model with the larger iPad I have and the cleaning of it is manageable, I think it cleans better then the material that Logitech uses even.
I have to confess at first I was almost going to dislike because lack of a scale didn't look very pro, but after watching the whole video this does deserve a like, amazing quality! Will look at more videos from you 🙂
I appreciate you sticking around and I’m glad you enjoyed the rest of the content. I actually agree with you and that’s why soon after that video went up, I got a scale so future videos won’t have that problem! Thanks for sharing!
@@Graf-XTechReviews I have already watched and liked the 2018 vs M4 and M1 vs M4 comparisons (I have both the 2018 and the M1 in both sizes, but no M4 yet). And there are a lot more very interesting videos, I'll do some catching up these days. I might comment every now and then. Really glad I discovered this channel.
I bought both keyboards and your review was absolutely spot on! I ended up keeping the Magic Keyboard even though initially I thought I was gonna love the Logitech one
Combo Touch sucks for long term usage, the rubber edges of the case will stretch out and separate form back only several months in use. It happened to mine (iPad 10.2 version) and I switched to Apple’s Smart Keyboard cover and it’s so far so good.
Thanks for sharing! Yeah I’ve definitely seen those rubber edges get stretched out before, but I’ve had one for almost 3 years before and even with the rubber somewhat stretching, the iPad stayed in well and everything worked. So it does slightly depend, but you’re right that Apple’s keyboards will hold up better
@@Graf-XTechReviewsYeah the iPad would still stay in the case firmly, but those deformed edges really makes it unpleasant to hold when using it in tablet mode. Plus the older models got those super thick cases which was already unpleasant to hold.
I got an issue on my combo touch space bar, sometime it is not working during typing, i’m using this keyboard for my 11” Ipad pro, appreciate the advise for this issue.
Good review, however all depends not the user use 25:37 cases. The Logitech is much more versatile for me as I typically use it is a tablet without the keyboard attached for video consumption, reading or reading emails that just need to be deleted if nothing material. Assume the Magic Keyboard may be materially better if you your iPad as a laptop replacement and hard core typing. If I had the Magic Keyboard then I would need 2 cases.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense! I agree if you mostly are using it in tablet mode and don’t want a second case, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing. It definitely depends on use case
Great review, just subscribed! dont see much comparisons especially for the 11 inch versions so this was a welcome video. Have one inquiry, usually its a direct buy for me for the magic keyboard, had the previous gen, but the logitech one had me curious mainly bec i want to use my ipad pro 11 more of a tablet so the back case for logitech where you can adjust infinite angles with the keyboard not attached seems great, and the keyboard just becomes optional. So is the logitech sturdy enough with its stand to use it on a daily basis similar to the built in kickstand of the surface line? Is the case not too bulky? Thanks in advance 😊
I would say the case is study enough, but obviously only time will tell. The part that doesn’t seem as durable is the material around the stand’s hinge, it just already seems a little worn even after such short amount of time, but again its hard to know how it’ll hold up in the long run. As for as too bulky, I’d say it was just slim enough to be tolerable for me. I’m also very hard to please when it comes to bulky cases 😂 but it’s also pretty light so that definitely helps. Hopefully that was useful and I didn’t make it even more confusing!
I think you forgot to mention the fact that the Magic Keyboard is ‘top heavy’ and has a tendency to tip over, due to all the weight being in the iPad whereas the combo has the kick stand that eliminates the problem.
Depends on where you have it. If it’s on your lap then I would say that the combo touch is just as if not more inconvenient to use and unstable. But on a desk you’re right, it is not as top heavy. That’s actually a good point, it’s something that totally should’ve been mentioned. Thanks for your feedback! That helps me to improve going forward!
Great video! I have one question though as I notice you have the nano texture. Does the logitech combo touch’s keys touch the iPad’s screen when it is closed, or is there a small gap? On Apple’s website, they mention that the combo isn’t meant for the nano texture so I’m wondering if there is a gap or not
From what I can tell, the keys don’t make direct contact with the iPad itself, but it is a little hard to tell. I did use it for over a week on my Nano-Texture iPad and it had no negative effects! Great question! Hope that helps!
Not yet at least. I mean I’m decently careful with it, but I do the same things with the black version and the black one is always looking significantly dirtier than the white
Would you be up for reviewing the mission leather co sleeve? Worried about Magic Keyboard getting scuffed in the bag and they have felt lining but it’s another investment but looks awesome 👏
Yeah I’ll definitely look into some sleeves for the iPad and Magic Keyboard, great suggestion!! I’ll start researching that and put it on the list of videos! Thanks for your suggestion!
I love the magic keyboard but its just not versatile at all. You either have it on the ipad or you don't. For instance, if I want to use my ipad flat on a table to take handwritten notes on or to draw, I can't do that with just the ipad itself due to the camera bump. I can't do that with the magic keyboard attached because, well, obviously. The logitech case gives you a flat back to where you can do that, but it also has that built in kickstand that can give you an easel like experience on a table, again, you can't do that with the magic keyboard. My gripe with the logitech is that the design is sort of wonky in nature. It's good, but I feel like Logitech could learn a lot from looking at how Apple designs products. When you close the keyboard on the Logitech it can and does still slide around a bit due to the hinge being that bendable cloth-like material. Thats a minor annoyance. That same hinge mechanism makes it difficult for lapability as well. Its not impossible to use the logitech on your lap, but the magic keyboard is a lot easier despite it having problems with tipping over. I also wish the Logitech didnt just straight up cut out a part of the case for apple pencil charging, they could have made that portion very thin and it would work just fine. Tons of cases are like that and they work great, so I'm not really sure why the design was done with a big cutout. Another thing that is hard to make sense of is the trackpad. It works great, but why would they make the whole thing kind of flimsy and produce those huge cracks between the chassis and the trackpad itself? I know logitech knows how to make a trackpad like the Apple ones, so they should have done that. Again, the trackpad is nice, and it works well, it just feels so awkward at first with how it moves. Overall the Logitech is as close to what I want in a versatile case for the ipad pro. Its a really good combination of using it as a laptop and in tablet mode. I guess thats why its called the Combo case. Apple designs things without durability in mind. They don't think things through all the time unless it has to do with money. What they want you to do is by the magic keyboard AND the folio case and carry all of that around and swap the ipad in and out of multiple cases for different things. I would have been all over the magic keyboard if it came with a case for the ipad that then attached to the keyboard, so you could grab the ipad off the keyboard and do something else with it quickly. And yes, there are slim cases that exist that advertise that they work with the magic keyboard, but they don't work very well. I have tried two different brands and neither allowed the keyboard to close and stay shut. You have to hold the magic keyboard shut when using one of these slim cases "compatible" with the magic keyboard. Holding it shut like that will 100% cause something to bend over time, and that ain't good. The Logitech wins for versatility and overall design in my book.
Yeah that makes sense. And in a lot of ways, the Logitech almost won for me too! I do love the versatility! The worst part for me was the worse quality of materials and worse trackpad and the loss of the charging port which I used often enough to make it matter. If they fix the slight quality issues and find a way to add another port, I could overlook every other downside and pick that one for sure!
@Graf-XTechReviews nah it was a great video and extremely useful. I was just teasing. Because of your video, I'm not going with the Logitech combo touch now. Keep up with the great content kid 👍
I can tell you from experience the Magic Keyboard still does not protect your iPad worth a shit for that “premium” price. Why Apple figures you should buy the protection plan instead of adding a small amount of protection around the iPad like most other cases that aren’t Apple.
Yeah it’s definitely not super protective and it definitely could be better for that. Personally, I still like the Magic Keyboard and I don’t really like a lot of bulk around my iPad, but that’s totally a personal preference! I know that for a lot of people it makes sense to put a protective case around your expensive device. So yeah that is definitely a fair criticism
To my usage the combo touch is better. The Magic Keyboard doesn’t gives you the possibility to not use it. With the combo touch you can reverse the keyboard and just use the iPad. Really useful in may every day job.
Oh you switched, awesome! Yeah, that’s Apple for you. Floating screen, the more premium feel, the attention to details and technological sophistication.. You can’t put the experience and feeling on paper, or even describe it. Magic keyboard just belongs to iPad Pro 😁 People complain about the price, but when you sell it or trade it to next model, Bogey.. I mean Logi keyboard just won’t keep it’s value as the real deal 😉
Well thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it! I think a quick measurement might’ve still been good but I’m glad you enjoyed it without that as well! Thanks for sharing!
I actually have a caliper, but it was out of battery and I didn’t have a replacement in time. I have somewhat limited times that I can film. I’m getting a scale so I can have that going forward. I do apologize if that particular section was not very helpful for you. Although, I believe you could clearly see which one was thinner without a caliper. Thank you for your suggestions, I totally get why that may be frustrating.
Here’s an idea, instead of sounding snarky, why not just politely suggest the use of a caliper or scale? I suggest the use of honey, not vinegar. Personally, I like the way he speaks to the camera as though you are his buddy and he’s showing you something cool at his desk. Great Job Graf-X Tech!
Hey everyone! I meant to include this in some text in the video, but I’ll put it here instead. The conclusion I make about the cases is the video is correct. The Magic Keyboard for the 11” iPad Pro is 580g and the Combo Touch for the 11” is 474g. So the Combo touch is about 100g lighter! And it’s exactly 100g lighter when compared to the previous version the Combo Touch for the 11”. Sorry if it felt like a little silly in the video without any exact details, hope this helps!
Why won't they just make a side protector case for the iPad Magic Keyboard?! That's the real issue is that there are no protection for the sides.
There are companies that do actually make cases like that. Where they basically just protect the sides. I’d recommend you look into that
Thanks for the video. It reinforces my decision to go with the Magic Keyboard. I had the Logitech on my old iPad and the track pad activating due to the bendy keyboard was a real issue. I tried the new Magic keyboard at the Apple Store and really liked it. The extra charging port was an added plus. I did go with the black model, but I’ve found that although it does seems to get dirty, it also cleans up pretty easily, so I’m good with that. Again, thanks for the comparison.
That’s awesome! I’m really glad that this video helped you to know you made the right choice! and yes I do have the black model with the larger iPad I have and the cleaning of it is manageable, I think it cleans better then the material that Logitech uses even.
I kept the Combo touch because it's better for handwriting notes. You don't need to detach it to write notes comfortably
Yeah that’s definitely true! For me the major dealbreaker is I got too dependent on the charging port 😂
Vi varios videos y este fue mi favorito. Gracias!!!
Awesome! I’m glad it helped you out, thanks for sharing!
I have to confess at first I was almost going to dislike because lack of a scale didn't look very pro, but after watching the whole video this does deserve a like, amazing quality! Will look at more videos from you 🙂
I appreciate you sticking around and I’m glad you enjoyed the rest of the content. I actually agree with you and that’s why soon after that video went up, I got a scale so future videos won’t have that problem! Thanks for sharing!
@@Graf-XTechReviews I have already watched and liked the 2018 vs M4 and M1 vs M4 comparisons (I have both the 2018 and the M1 in both sizes, but no M4 yet). And there are a lot more very interesting videos, I'll do some catching up these days. I might comment every now and then. Really glad I discovered this channel.
That’s awesome! I’m glad you’ve been enjoying the videos as well! Thanks for watching! Plenty more to come!
I bought both keyboards and your review was absolutely spot on! I ended up keeping the Magic Keyboard even though initially I thought I was gonna love the Logitech one
Yeah exactly, I really wanted the Logitech to work! Glad you enjoyed the review!
Combo Touch sucks for long term usage, the rubber edges of the case will stretch out and separate form back only several months in use. It happened to mine (iPad 10.2 version) and I switched to Apple’s Smart Keyboard cover and it’s so far so good.
Thanks for sharing! Yeah I’ve definitely seen those rubber edges get stretched out before, but I’ve had one for almost 3 years before and even with the rubber somewhat stretching, the iPad stayed in well and everything worked. So it does slightly depend, but you’re right that Apple’s keyboards will hold up better
@@Graf-XTechReviewsYeah the iPad would still stay in the case firmly, but those deformed edges really makes it unpleasant to hold when using it in tablet mode. Plus the older models got those super thick cases which was already unpleasant to hold.
Yes that is true, it definitely was pretty heavy and not the most comfortable. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
I got an issue on my combo touch space bar, sometime it is not working during typing, i’m using this keyboard for my 11” Ipad pro, appreciate the advise for this issue.
Good review, however all depends not the user use 25:37 cases. The Logitech is much more versatile for me as I typically use it is a tablet without the keyboard attached for video consumption, reading or reading emails that just need to be deleted if nothing material. Assume the Magic Keyboard may be materially better if you your iPad as a laptop replacement and hard core typing. If I had the Magic Keyboard then I would need 2 cases.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense! I agree if you mostly are using it in tablet mode and don’t want a second case, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing. It definitely depends on use case
Great review, just subscribed! dont see much comparisons especially for the 11 inch versions so this was a welcome video. Have one inquiry, usually its a direct buy for me for the magic keyboard, had the previous gen, but the logitech one had me curious mainly bec i want to use my ipad pro 11 more of a tablet so the back case for logitech where you can adjust infinite angles with the keyboard not attached seems great, and the keyboard just becomes optional. So is the logitech sturdy enough with its stand to use it on a daily basis similar to the built in kickstand of the surface line? Is the case not too bulky? Thanks in advance 😊
I would say the case is study enough, but obviously only time will tell. The part that doesn’t seem as durable is the material around the stand’s hinge, it just already seems a little worn even after such short amount of time, but again its hard to know how it’ll hold up in the long run. As for as too bulky, I’d say it was just slim enough to be tolerable for me. I’m also very hard to please when it comes to bulky cases 😂 but it’s also pretty light so that definitely helps. Hopefully that was useful and I didn’t make it even more confusing!
I think you forgot to mention the fact that the Magic Keyboard is ‘top heavy’ and has a tendency to tip over, due to all the weight being in the iPad whereas the combo has the kick stand that eliminates the problem.
Depends on where you have it. If it’s on your lap then I would say that the combo touch is just as if not more inconvenient to use and unstable. But on a desk you’re right, it is not as top heavy. That’s actually a good point, it’s something that totally should’ve been mentioned. Thanks for your feedback! That helps me to improve going forward!
Great video! I have one question though as I notice you have the nano texture. Does the logitech combo touch’s keys touch the iPad’s screen when it is closed, or is there a small gap? On Apple’s website, they mention that the combo isn’t meant for the nano texture so I’m wondering if there is a gap or not
From what I can tell, the keys don’t make direct contact with the iPad itself, but it is a little hard to tell. I did use it for over a week on my Nano-Texture iPad and it had no negative effects! Great question! Hope that helps!
@@Graf-XTechReviews thank you!
Of course! Happy to help!
Good job but let me summarize it with a short statement, do you want a surface or laptop keyboard experience.
Yeah that’s true! As long as you have experience with what a surface is to gage it on. Thanks for sharing!
Does the white apple keyboard case get dirty easily where it wont’t wipe off?
Not yet at least. I mean I’m decently careful with it, but I do the same things with the black version and the black one is always looking significantly dirtier than the white
Would you be up for reviewing the mission leather co sleeve? Worried about Magic Keyboard getting scuffed in the bag and they have felt lining but it’s another investment but looks awesome 👏
Yeah I’ll definitely look into some sleeves for the iPad and Magic Keyboard, great suggestion!! I’ll start researching that and put it on the list of videos! Thanks for your suggestion!
I love the magic keyboard but its just not versatile at all. You either have it on the ipad or you don't. For instance, if I want to use my ipad flat on a table to take handwritten notes on or to draw, I can't do that with just the ipad itself due to the camera bump. I can't do that with the magic keyboard attached because, well, obviously. The logitech case gives you a flat back to where you can do that, but it also has that built in kickstand that can give you an easel like experience on a table, again, you can't do that with the magic keyboard.
My gripe with the logitech is that the design is sort of wonky in nature. It's good, but I feel like Logitech could learn a lot from looking at how Apple designs products. When you close the keyboard on the Logitech it can and does still slide around a bit due to the hinge being that bendable cloth-like material. Thats a minor annoyance. That same hinge mechanism makes it difficult for lapability as well. Its not impossible to use the logitech on your lap, but the magic keyboard is a lot easier despite it having problems with tipping over.
I also wish the Logitech didnt just straight up cut out a part of the case for apple pencil charging, they could have made that portion very thin and it would work just fine. Tons of cases are like that and they work great, so I'm not really sure why the design was done with a big cutout.
Another thing that is hard to make sense of is the trackpad. It works great, but why would they make the whole thing kind of flimsy and produce those huge cracks between the chassis and the trackpad itself? I know logitech knows how to make a trackpad like the Apple ones, so they should have done that. Again, the trackpad is nice, and it works well, it just feels so awkward at first with how it moves.
Overall the Logitech is as close to what I want in a versatile case for the ipad pro. Its a really good combination of using it as a laptop and in tablet mode. I guess thats why its called the Combo case. Apple designs things without durability in mind. They don't think things through all the time unless it has to do with money. What they want you to do is by the magic keyboard AND the folio case and carry all of that around and swap the ipad in and out of multiple cases for different things. I would have been all over the magic keyboard if it came with a case for the ipad that then attached to the keyboard, so you could grab the ipad off the keyboard and do something else with it quickly.
And yes, there are slim cases that exist that advertise that they work with the magic keyboard, but they don't work very well. I have tried two different brands and neither allowed the keyboard to close and stay shut. You have to hold the magic keyboard shut when using one of these slim cases "compatible" with the magic keyboard. Holding it shut like that will 100% cause something to bend over time, and that ain't good.
The Logitech wins for versatility and overall design in my book.
Yeah that makes sense. And in a lot of ways, the Logitech almost won for me too! I do love the versatility! The worst part for me was the worse quality of materials and worse trackpad and the loss of the charging port which I used often enough to make it matter. If they fix the slight quality issues and find a way to add another port, I could overlook every other downside and pick that one for sure!
Wow, that weight and thickness test was really scientific.
Yeah sorry about that! I’m working on having a better measuring system in the future, I’m sorry if that wasn’t too helpful. Thanks for the feedback
@Graf-XTechReviews nah it was a great video and extremely useful. I was just teasing. Because of your video, I'm not going with the Logitech combo touch now. Keep up with the great content kid 👍
Thanks! I’m glad you got some good information out of the video!
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Hahahaha
I can tell you from experience the Magic Keyboard still does not protect your iPad worth a shit for that “premium” price. Why Apple figures you should buy the protection plan instead of adding a small amount of protection around the iPad like most other cases that aren’t Apple.
Yeah it’s definitely not super protective and it definitely could be better for that. Personally, I still like the Magic Keyboard and I don’t really like a lot of bulk around my iPad, but that’s totally a personal preference! I know that for a lot of people it makes sense to put a protective case around your expensive device. So yeah that is definitely a fair criticism
To my usage the combo touch is better. The Magic Keyboard doesn’t gives you the possibility to not use it. With the combo touch you can reverse the keyboard and just use the iPad. Really useful in may every day job.
Yeah it definitely has it’s uses! I almost switched to it! Thanks for sharing what you’ve experienced! Another side is always valuable
Oh you switched, awesome! Yeah, that’s Apple for you. Floating screen, the more premium feel, the attention to details and technological sophistication.. You can’t put the experience and feeling on paper, or even describe it. Magic keyboard just belongs to iPad Pro 😁 People complain about the price, but when you sell it or trade it to next model, Bogey.. I mean Logi keyboard just won’t keep it’s value as the real deal 😉
Yeah there’s definitely a lot of truth to that! The Apple Magic Keyboard is definitely more premium and has better resale value!
Everything here is spot on and I’m glad you didn’t have a scale. I want real world and practical examples. Scale, I don’t need no stinking scale. 😂
Well thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it! I think a quick measurement might’ve still been good but I’m glad you enjoyed it without that as well! Thanks for sharing!
the magic keyboard is great worth the xtra cash imho
Yes I would agree!
Is getting a scale and calipers that hard ? Or even just skimming the product description ? Incredibly scientific testing for a review.
I actually have a caliper, but it was out of battery and I didn’t have a replacement in time. I have somewhat limited times that I can film. I’m getting a scale so I can have that going forward. I do apologize if that particular section was not very helpful for you. Although, I believe you could clearly see which one was thinner without a caliper. Thank you for your suggestions, I totally get why that may be frustrating.
Here’s an idea, instead of sounding snarky, why not just politely suggest the use of a caliper or scale? I suggest the use of honey, not vinegar. Personally, I like the way he speaks to the camera as though you are his buddy and he’s showing you something cool at his desk. Great Job Graf-X Tech!
@@garretttheblessedCompletely agree.