Combo Touch Advantages: 1. Provides complete protection for the iPad with a casing that covers its sides. 2. Flexible usage, can be separated from the keyboard for various usage modes like tablet or tent mode. 3. Adjustable kickstand for different viewing angles. 4. Lighter weight compared to the Magic Keyboard. 5. Larger trackpad provides more space for gestures and movements. 6. More affordable price compared to the Magic Keyboard. Combo Touch Disadvantages: 1. Takes up more space on the desk compared to the Magic Keyboard. 2. Stability when used on the lap is less optimal, especially if there is a slope on the thighs. = Magic Keyboard Advantages: 1. Sturdy design with aluminum construction provides a premium feel. 2. Provides a laptop-like user experience with good lappability. 3. Adjustable to various viewing angles, including a low angle for watching videos in bed. 4. Passthrough charging through the hinge allows for charging while connected to additional devices. 5. Trackpad offers more responsive clicking experience. Magic Keyboard Disadvantages: 1. Lack of side protection for the iPad, making it vulnerable to impacts or scratches. 2. Heavier compared to the Combo Touch. 3. Higher price point. 4. Does not offer the same flexibility in usage as a protective casing.
For me, the biggest issue with the Combo Touch is by far the rubber. It’s even worse than the previous rubber (ipad with a cloth texture). My rubber is completely loose at the bottom, near the keyboard. It looks really bad after only 3~4 months.
@@jordancalandre9474 is that the old 2023 style or this 2024 unit? One other question if I may… I have the iPad Pro 1000GB, 16 gigabytes unit. I really hold onto technology for quite a while before I replace it and it just seems like the new AI stuff is going to need more ram function well in the future. Thing is finances are a bit strained right now so I was thinking about returning it but that would leave me with 8 gigabytes of RAM. What do you gentlemen think? Do you think 8 GB is enough to do any program and final cut or AI image rendering or whatever? Had wanted to get a MacBook too but just too much money even if I return this completely. Thanks in advance if you can give me some advice only so many videos you can watch. Have a good evening
@@TH-camRanch The new Ipad that have the M4 chip will not use much ram because the new chip have extra cores dedicated only for AI( 16 Neural engine cores ), and the chip itself have also 40 GPU cores compare to the M2 which have only 8 GPU cores, it also have 4.4 ghz compare to 3.49 i recommend getting the new one basically
@@OneTomato talked to Apple yesterday and I think I’m gonna get rid of the one terabyte and drop down to the 512 GB I hate let go of that 16 gig a bite of ram but I need something of a desktop too the MacBook are too expensive for me so I’m gonna get that little new computer for 599 it’ll let me do real computer stuff which is too hard to do on an iPad. And just pick up a door buster TV for 200 bucks this black Friday. Seems like the cheaper way to do it. I just wish Apple stuff wasn’t so confusing desktop computers are much simpler
10:50 That’s not true about not being able to change the keyboard brightness in Control Center (CC). The keyboard brightness (KB) function can easily be added to CC. Just go to CC in Settings, scroll down to More Controls, and add the KB function to Included Controls. IMO, it’s not much of an inconvenience to access KB via CC. Also, adjusting KB isn’t something one should need to do too often, I would think.
@@JerrySchulzeHey, Jerry. Thank you, for comparing the two and sharing all of the tips and tricks. Much appreciated. I’m really enjoying the new Magic Keyboard; however, I do like learning about other options.
I have the Combo Touch for both an 11” M1 iPad Pro and 12.9” M1 iPad Pro. The case provides great protection for the back and edges of the iPad, plus it still works well with screen protectors. The keyboard is good, but sometimes it randomly disconnects. It works again if I detach and reattach the keyboard. In three years of ownership the cases have faired well. On the 12.9” case I’ve noticed the area around the speaker grill became soft and deforms slightly on both sides. Doesn’t interfere with using the iPad, just a sign the case will eventually need to be replaced.
The newer version (2022) has replaced that grill with just small holes to avoid deforming. At least mine doesnt show any sign of age after 2 years. Pretty happy with the update.
Very much appreciate this review. I have both the Combo Touch and the Folio Touch for older iPads. I love both of them but one thing they have in common is that stand that folds out. Something about that stand just seemed like it would wear out rather fast considering how it felt. You're the ONLY reviewer I was able to find that directly talked about it. So glad to get some information on someone that's used it for years and can report back. Thank you for that! And, for the record, both the Folio and Combo Touch cases are very good and solid. =)
Hi! im planning to buy this combo touch for my ipad air for $165 here in my country are yours still working? and do you recommend it over apple magic keyboard which is also on discount here and i can buy it for $222. Looking forward to your response it will be a huge help for me to decide, thank you so much!🙏
You can also add the keyboard brightness of magic keyboard into the control center of the iPad so when u need to change it you can then just swipe from the right corner and change with a slider or put the mouse in the far right corner which will pull up the same thing.
On way to address your concern about dirt getting into the space around the track pad is to go into Setting> General>TrackPad and turn on “Tap to Click” then you don’t have to push down at all. I’ve had a Combo Touch on my M2 Pro since it was released and it still works flawlessly to this day. Also to address the tight fit around the USB C port you could carefully trim as needed. Great comparison review, I do love what the Magic Keyboard offers, but even though the Combo Touch is no Otterbox when it comes to protection, it’s way better than nothing.
The sides protection with logitech is extremely important, if the iPad falls while attached to the keyboard either open or closed, the tendency to fall on the side is 100% which has > 90% chance of breaking the screen (even with screen protector) basically what happens is the iPad falls on one of the 2 top angles & bends the frame inside which strains the screen and breaks it, when that happens in a tandem OLED display that’s gonna be painful
I think your video looks rather dim. Perhaps that's the wrong word, but not very saturated at least. That's not to say that the picture is not excellent but that's just my first hand impression. If that's a conscious choice i can respect that. It's probably more true to life.
Excellent video and information! I was looking for something on the new Logitech case. I have the new 13” iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard. It replaced my 12.9 M1 iPad Pro. I bought both the Magic Keyboard and the Logitech keyboard for the M1. I used the Logitech for awhile and loved the extra protection, but ultimately I switched back to the Magic Keyboard because you can pick up the iPad and keyboard and carry it (while it’s open) around in one hand like a laptop. You don’t have to close it to move it or use two hands. That was a bigger deal to me than I expected. If I hadn’t gotten used to using the Magic Keyboard first, I’m sure I wouldn’t have noticed. The other thing is the extra port. That’s handy not just if the iPad’s port is being used, but also if the charger to plug into is on the opposite side of the iPad. As for extra protection, MOFT makes a great snap on case for the iPad Pro. You snap the iPad into the case and it magnetically sticks on the Magic Keyboard (as does the iPad without) and it docks the Apple Pencil too (while still allowing it to charge). You can also get a magnetic stand for the case so you can have the iPad stand alone similar to the Logitech case.
I ordered both cases, but decided on the Logitech case. I like the "kickstand" on it better. I also have a Surface Pro that uses that same style of stand, so I'm used to that. I just wish they had that pencil holder design of the previous Logitech case. And I use the ESR pencil and screen protector - no issues (other than the magnet on the ESR pencil doesn't seem to be very strong).
This is a great comparison. I just received the air 13 combo and it does not look like the keyboard can be attached and flipped back completely without separating from the case.
I have the new 13” iPad Pro with the new Magic Keyboard, I got a UAG Urban Armor Gear 13” laptop case and It is perfect! It houses and protects the iPad and Keyboard and you can open it up and it opens the iPad automatically, it’s the most perfect combo I have ever found for iPad and the keyboard.
I use my iPad Pro mostly while reclining on the couch or in bed, and a lot of that time I’m drawing/painting/sketching. The Combo Touch is far and away the better solution for me for this use case. The Magic Keyboard just isn’t stable in bed for me and often I can’t get the angles right for comfortable drawing. The Combo Touch keyboard folding back under the stand to create a flat surface is actually perfect for this use case and provides a stable surface for use in bed. Feels like a happy accident but it makes the Combo Touch basically perfect. I would buy this case just for this design even if I never wanted the keyboard or trackpad. It’s slightly less convenient to type on the Combo Touch in bed, but easily doable and I’m using it to write this post with zero issues at the moment. The ability to remove the keyboard when I just want to carry the iPad around the house to watch a TH-cam video in the kitchen or dining room is pretty great, especially as an upgrade from the 2021 Combo Touch which was MUCH bulkier and didn’t have the detachable keyboard.
Your post was helpful! I’m basically going to use it the same way you’re using it. I actually just bought both the Logitech Combo and Magic Keyboard (iPad Pro 13”) to compare them. The protection was a priority for me and didn’t want to worry about damage or dropping it while carrying it around the house/using it while traveling/laying in the bed. The Magic Keyboard is very nice but the Logitech’s features/versatility for my situation is working out perfect. I even thought about keeping both, but I know after the “newness” wore off, I’d be using the Logitech. I’m most likely returning the Magic Keyboard this week.
Thanks for the great review and comparing the two... One concern I always have is neither of these tend to "securely" store the Pencil. Some cases (keyboard case combinations also) either don't have a pencil storage at all, or they try to use an elastic or rubber "loop" on the outside of the case that gets weak over time. Apple pushes their new Pencil Pro, so they should get on board and have their new Magic Keyboard securely (internally) store the Pencil.
I used the combo touch previously but really like how the fact that it's up off the desk and the keys on the Magic keyboard was, at least compared to previous models, much better. If I'm going to use it primarily as a table for something, especially traveling or music, I just put it in a different case. Great and very thorough review!
Thank you. Your review was very helpful and helped me make my purchase decision. Went with the Logitech option, mainly because of the protective case on the iPad. I frequently use my iPad alone without the keyboard. Don't feel comfortable with it NOT protected. Thank you again. 🎉🎉
@@JerrySchulze Yup I loved that you covered that in your review, just worried about that exposed part with the pencil slot and I'm not planning on buying the pencil. Please let us know if you do test it with a skin 🙃
Thank you for the review. I have the Combo Touch on my M1 iPad Pro 11 inch. I am considering one of these options for my new M4 iPad Pro 13 inch. In all honesty, I thought that Apple would have created a case to protect the iPad when it's not on the Magic keyboard by now. Even a bumper case like they used to make for an older model iPhone would help to keep the edges more protected if a customer opted to go that route.
Magic keyboard with protected edges will be my dream setup. I picked up the Combo Touch because I use keyboard less, and I love the stand which does’t wobble in bed!
What made you go from an 11 to 13 iPad Pro. I have a M1 Macbook Pro, but will mainly use the iPad for video editing and photo editing. So leaning toward the 13. Right now I have a 5th G 8in iPad.
I got my nephew the esr rebound case and he’s very happy it more protective than the Magic Keyboard and more like the magic keyboard and I like how it hovers so you don’t need a surface
Great review, thanks. A friend of mine just got a brand-new iPad Pro 13-inch and the Magic Keyboard. She ended up returning the keyboard because the big iPad would NOT stay magnetically "stuck" to it for regular use. I tried it a few times as well... very frustrating. Will definitely check out the Logi.
I got both the Apple Magic Keyboard and the Combo Touch for the iPad M4 13”. Previously I’ve owned the Logitech keyboard cases but thought I’d try the Apple case for comparison. What I miss with this Logitech case compared to my last Slim Folio Pro is that it does not have a back flap that contains a slot to hold the pencil, a flap that folds over and attaches by magnet to the front when you close it. So I was able to easily bring my pencil with me, it sat safely inside the pouch in the flap where it was less likely to get lost vs if it was only sitting on the magnet on the top. With this new Combo Touch I would have to carry the pencil around with me which is less convenient. But the Apple Magic Keyboard has nowhere to store the pencil either. I like typing on both keyboards, think the Apple Magic Keyboard is a bit better. I find the Combo Touch’s cursor moves sometimes away from where I am typing to a random spot in a paragraph above. And issues with it deleting some text as I type it. Still have not figured out why that is happening and neither has Logitech. Looking like I have a defective Combo Touch and will have to exchange it. I found the Apple Magic Keyboard to be very top heavy. When sitting on anything but a hard surface it falls backwards if the screen is at an angle. Though do like its viewing angles. But Combo Touch’s viewing angle are fine too. In the end, the #1 reason I chose the Combo Touch is its hinge allows me to fold the keyboard not only forward to cover the screen but also back, so I can view the screen when not using the keyboard AND my iPad is still protected on the sides and back. I take my iPad everywhere, shopping, the gym, when traveling, etc so this is important. The Apple Magic Keyboard is good if you are mostly using it when at home but not if you are on the go. And adding ~25% to the Combo Touch’s price to buy the Apple Magic Keyboard makes it $$$. I asked the Apple people why their Magic Keyboard case does not have sides to hold and protect it… and was told it was not necessary since they have Apple Care. Yeah maybe but that is a paid service. Hmmm. Recurring revenue or designed-in obsolescence …
I am trying to figure something out, when you have it connected, it wastes your ipad battery right? what if you Use it where the keyboard is folded like in this video, does the battery still get taken up?
Hi JM My situation is identical. The bottom line is that I prefer the Mogi keyboards after all especially when comparing the price. I cannot see why the Apple KB is SO expensive.
Hi! im planning to buy this combo touch for my ipad air for $165 here in my country are yours still working? and do you recommend it over apple magic keyboard which is also on discount here and i can buy it for $222. Looking forward to your response it will be a huge help for me to decide, thank you so much!🙏
It’s a bummer that Logitech changed the material. Might be a deal breaker for me. The material on the previous Combo Touch cases were extremely robust and felt great.
Great comparison. I prefer the smaller and more stable footprint of the Magic Keyboard. When I am in a restaurant sitting at my favorite sushi bar, the Magic Touch foot print being smaller works better than the larger footprint of the Combo Touch.
Yeah, the confusion’s there because you have to add it to Control Center once manually, I guess. But honestly, even though I put it there four years ago when I first got my original Magic Keyboard, I’ve never actually used it because it just uses the ambient light sensor to set to a good amount of backlighting and I haven’t ever felt the need to turn it up or down on my own.
I had “Combo Touch” on my previous iPad Pro. Unfortunately, the edges, where the cutouts for the volume buttons and speakers located, starts to warp (looking like a noodle) because they are too thin and has no rigidity.
I bought the combo touch from Apple and am returning it. It’s actually not great unless you’re on a flat surface sit down on the couch and try to type with it. It’s bloody impossible.
People have stated they can charge at 15 volts and 2.6 amps, so just under 40 watts, both with the iPad Pro's Thunderbolt port or via USB-C pass-through on the keyboard.
Excellent video and info. I have one on my 13” M4. One glaring disappointment is the lack of a “cage” for the Apple Pencil. While carrying the combo, or putting it in a bag, the Pencil likes to dislodge. Otherwise, this is another example of Logitech’s great design. Pricey but worth it. Thanks.
I just got it on eBay open box item for $90. The case was tight. i used a hair dryer gently and soften the rubber. it slipped pretty easy. The Logitech combo case protect the iPad and keyboard is on par the Apple case also you save a lot money.
Great comparison. I have only praise for the Logitech Combo Touch I’ve been using with my 2018 12.9 Pro for the past 6 years, and will opt for the Logitech again when I upgrade to the 13” M4 Pro later this year.
I have the Logitech with the 11 inch iPad Pro. Two issues: I take a lot of screenshots and when I use it without the keyboard (which has a shortcut), holding the necessary buttons in the top right hand corner (when held vertically) is really tricky. Also, the rubber around the speakers and at the bottom of the screen keeps growing.
No doubt i dont like the Magic Keyboard because of its inflexibility but you can actually include the Magic Keyboard lighting button in the control center at the top right of your iPad screen. Not sure why you mentioned you can’t do that?
Thanks for the great review. After watching it I headed over to Apple to purchase the Combo Touch for my iPad Pro 13” M4 with Nano-texture glass. However, saw the following in the product information description: “This Combo Touch Keyboard Case is not designed for use with iPad Pro 13-inch (M4) with nano-texture glass.” Any idea why?
Enjoyed your review. Am I correct that the Magic Keyboard won’t go flat to use on a piano or music stand? Last gen didn’t. I have the new iPad with Logi Combo Touch and early results are pretty good. I needed something that I could lay flat to perform and it serves that purpose quite well. It’s a little heavier than my basic iPad case from apple and I paint with procreate while waiting for appointments. Logi is a bit cumbersome and heavy for that purpose but serves me well when I paint on a desk or table.
Can you turn off the M4 iPad using only the keyboard? I was able to do this with previous iPads using a Logitech keyboard by simply holding on the sleep button but can’t seem to do this with the new Magic Keyboard regardless of the button combination.
The lock button on the MK locks the iPad and the screen will shut off on a few seconds. Using any keyboard you can type Control-Command-Q to do the same.
12:48 USB ports on Apple Magic Keyboard: side for data, but power only at the one on its hinge. 15:33 Logitech combo is a two-piece: detachable keyboard and the flat back. The two pieces are held together along the keyboard's magnetic strip. On the back of the iPad, there are those 3 little dots. I have no idea why, but they are described as "pogo". Anyway, both the Apple and Logitech match these to where the iPad rests. // Separating the keyboard from Logitech combination interrupts the connection to the pogos: No juice to keyboard, no talk between iPad and keyboard. QUESTION: In olden days, were the connectors located on the side of iPads? In what year and on which iPad model? Were they always those pogo thingies?
Is the Logitech Combo Touch iPad Pro 11 inch 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Generation model compatible with the iPad Pro 11 inch M4 processor? If you learn this, you will make me very happy.
Let me ask you this Costco has the Magic Keyboard on sale for $275 and that’s for the 13 inch iPad Pro M4 at the price point would you recommend the Magic over the Logitech combo
You said older iPads can’t be used for this case, however Logitech website states that it’s compatible with IPad Pro 11-inch (1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th generation) i am a bit confused now. Can you please reply if its compatible with older iPad Pro versions? Thank you for the Video
Good comparison, but I'm surprised that there was no mention of the warping rubber on the old Combo Touch around the speaker grills and corners. This was a common complaint on older versions and not sure if the new versions of the case will do the same thing.
As someone coming from an iPad with the Logitech keyboard to a M4 iPad with the Magic Keyboard, i still don’t know what I’d use the ESC key for, it doesn’t function as a back button. Any help greatly appreciated.
I am using the Combo Touch with the iPad Pro 11" M4 and it is great and very versatile. I just need to get used to the small keyboard layout (which wouldn't be larger on the MK).
Very nice review. I have had a combo touch keyboard on my 2021 12.9 inch iPad Pro since I bought it new. Zero problems or complaints except am I the only one who misses having a caps lock indicator on the screen? I will be purchasing the new model for my wife’s M4 iPad Pro. Thanks again.
Did Logitech fix the rubber like frame from distorting/stretching if you just remove the iPad from the case a few times. I got a warranty replacement for my M1 iPad Pro, The replacement soon started warping/stretching after just a couple of removals of the iPad from the case. Otherwise I loved the large trackpad and function row keys. But of course the new Apple Magic Keyboard has a larger trackpad and a function key row. What you say about the MK fingerprints is quite true. I put a skin on my old M1 iPad, and will do so on my M4.
Being able to detach the keyboard and use it with a case is a huge deciding factor for me. Combo Touch is a lot more versatile it's not even close. But I'm really curious about the haptic feedback on the Magic Keyboard
I presently use the Logitech and had to replace it twice for issues with the keys but Logitech did it free of charge. Updates for the keypad are not straightforward either..🤷🏻♂
Jerry, I must of missed it, but did you go over if the Logitech has a more sturdy Apple Pencil holder, because it’s a full case the Apple Pencil is not compatible?
The problem that I have with both the Apple and Logitech keyboards is as follows: Due to a “lazy” left thumb it sometimes touches the trackpad and activates the pointer like a mouse move. Sometimes this even makes the app switch to another open app in the background. When typing rapidly (like I do @85wpm), the pointer goes off the screen. When using my Mac, I can disable the Mac trackpad when I am using either an external TP or mouse. This cannot be done with either the Magi KB or the Logi KB. I have complained to Apple and Logitech about this many times but it seems to always falling on deaf ears. What do you think? Greg from Rio de Janeiro
Could you possibly place an extremely flat board over the trackpad while typing? I know it defeats the purpose of being portable without carrying around extra stuff, but possibly a diy cheap hack to prevent accidental gestures on the trackpad,
@@strawberryyogurt0 I have tried squares of cardboard, outdated credit cards, etc. They all work but really look wonky and get in the way. i just want the iPad to work like the Mac that allows me to turn off the trackpad when using an external trackpad or mouse. Is that too much to ask?
I just purchased the logi, I watch this video after I got my keyboard. I purchased this keyboard because the price. And seam better, apple always want to overcharge for the extra stuff. Thanks for the video help a lot the explanation is great 👍
I think the MKB would be perfect for airline travel. Not so sure about the Combo Touch considering the foot print. I acquired the 11” with the MKB and have enjoyed the experience. Nice upgrade from version 1.
Great content. Why is your video so dark?
forgot to remove the camera filter
New setup, still working on lighting.
He’s Batman
He's living in DC universe
@@FIKRIHEARTNET lmao
Combo Touch Advantages:
1. Provides complete protection for the iPad with a casing that covers its sides.
2. Flexible usage, can be separated from the keyboard for various usage modes like tablet or tent mode.
3. Adjustable kickstand for different viewing angles.
4. Lighter weight compared to the Magic Keyboard.
5. Larger trackpad provides more space for gestures and movements.
6. More affordable price compared to the Magic Keyboard.
Combo Touch Disadvantages:
1. Takes up more space on the desk compared to the Magic Keyboard.
2. Stability when used on the lap is less optimal, especially if there is a slope on the thighs.
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Magic Keyboard Advantages:
1. Sturdy design with aluminum construction provides a premium feel.
2. Provides a laptop-like user experience with good lappability.
3. Adjustable to various viewing angles, including a low angle for watching videos in bed.
4. Passthrough charging through the hinge allows for charging while connected to additional devices.
5. Trackpad offers more responsive clicking experience.
Magic Keyboard Disadvantages:
1. Lack of side protection for the iPad, making it vulnerable to impacts or scratches.
2. Heavier compared to the Combo Touch.
3. Higher price point.
4. Does not offer the same flexibility in usage as a protective casing.
So which one do you like?
For me, the biggest issue with the Combo Touch is by far the rubber. It’s even worse than the previous rubber (ipad with a cloth texture). My rubber is completely loose at the bottom, near the keyboard. It looks really bad after only 3~4 months.
@@jordancalandre9474 is that the old 2023 style or this 2024 unit? One other question if I may… I have the iPad Pro 1000GB, 16 gigabytes unit. I really hold onto technology for quite a while before I replace it and it just seems like the new AI stuff is going to need more ram function well in the future. Thing is finances are a bit strained right now so I was thinking about returning it but that would leave me with 8 gigabytes of RAM. What do you gentlemen think? Do you think 8 GB is enough to do any program and final cut or AI image rendering or whatever? Had wanted to get a MacBook too but just too much money even if I return this completely. Thanks in advance if you can give me some advice only so many videos you can watch. Have a good evening
@@TH-camRanch The new Ipad that have the M4 chip will not use much ram because the new chip have extra cores dedicated only for AI( 16 Neural engine cores ), and the chip itself have also 40 GPU cores compare to the M2 which have only 8 GPU cores, it also have 4.4 ghz compare to 3.49
i recommend getting the new one basically
@@OneTomato talked to Apple yesterday and I think I’m gonna get rid of the one terabyte and drop down to the 512 GB I hate let go of that 16 gig a bite of ram but I need something of a desktop too the MacBook are too expensive for me so I’m gonna get that little new computer for 599 it’ll let me do real computer stuff which is too hard to do on an iPad. And just pick up a door buster TV for 200 bucks this black Friday. Seems like the cheaper way to do it. I just wish Apple stuff wasn’t so confusing desktop computers are much simpler
10:50 That’s not true about not being able to change the keyboard brightness in Control Center (CC). The keyboard brightness (KB) function can easily be added to CC. Just go to CC in Settings, scroll down to More Controls, and add the KB function to Included Controls. IMO, it’s not much of an inconvenience to access KB via CC. Also, adjusting KB isn’t something one should need to do too often, I would think.
Hey thanks
@@JerrySchulzeHey, Jerry. Thank you, for comparing the two and sharing all of the tips and tricks. Much appreciated. I’m really enjoying the new Magic Keyboard; however, I do like learning about other options.
Yup, I was about to say the same thing
Thanks!
I have the Combo Touch for both an 11” M1 iPad Pro and 12.9” M1 iPad Pro. The case provides great protection for the back and edges of the iPad, plus it still works well with screen protectors. The keyboard is good, but sometimes it randomly disconnects. It works again if I detach and reattach the keyboard.
In three years of ownership the cases have faired well. On the 12.9” case I’ve noticed the area around the speaker grill became soft and deforms slightly on both sides. Doesn’t interfere with using the iPad, just a sign the case will eventually need to be replaced.
The newer version (2022) has replaced that grill with just small holes to avoid deforming. At least mine doesnt show any sign of age after 2 years. Pretty happy with the update.
@DCuerpoJr my old Logitech case literally broke down around those speaker holes to the point the rubber wasn’t even holding the iPad in any more
Very much appreciate this review. I have both the Combo Touch and the Folio Touch for older iPads. I love both of them but one thing they have in common is that stand that folds out. Something about that stand just seemed like it would wear out rather fast considering how it felt. You're the ONLY reviewer I was able to find that directly talked about it. So glad to get some information on someone that's used it for years and can report back. Thank you for that!
And, for the record, both the Folio and Combo Touch cases are very good and solid. =)
Hi! im planning to buy this combo touch for my ipad air for $165 here in my country are yours still working? and do you recommend it over apple magic keyboard which is also on discount here and i can buy it for $222. Looking forward to your response it will be a huge help for me to decide, thank you so much!🙏
You can also add the keyboard brightness of magic keyboard into the control center of the iPad so when u need to change it you can then just swipe from the right corner and change with a slider or put the mouse in the far right corner which will pull up the same thing.
I had no idea you could do that!
I've been wishing for an easier way to adjust the keyboard brightness without diving into the settings.
Thank you!
@@T10107 you can add the shortcut to control panel
On way to address your concern about dirt getting into the space around the track pad is to go into Setting> General>TrackPad and turn on “Tap to Click” then you don’t have to push down at all. I’ve had a Combo Touch on my M2 Pro since it was released and it still works flawlessly to this day. Also to address the tight fit around the USB C port you could carefully trim as needed. Great comparison review, I do love what the Magic Keyboard offers, but even though the Combo Touch is no Otterbox when it comes to protection, it’s way better than nothing.
Thanks for the tip
So when on tap to click does the trackpad still press down?
I am impressed by how include hands on ergonomics, cable fit, the charging pass through, cleanliness, and prices.
The sides protection with logitech is extremely important, if the iPad falls while attached to the keyboard either open or closed, the tendency to fall on the side is 100% which has > 90% chance of breaking the screen (even with screen protector) basically what happens is the iPad falls on one of the 2 top angles & bends the frame inside which strains the screen and breaks it, when that happens in a tandem OLED display that’s gonna be painful
I think your video looks rather dim. Perhaps that's the wrong word, but not very saturated at least. That's not to say that the picture is not excellent but that's just my first hand impression. If that's a conscious choice i can respect that. It's probably more true to life.
I noticed that too
It’s a lack of contrast
He forgot to add back the color grading node so he is stuck with this lut
@@JamesMccorn
Excellent video and information! I was looking for something on the new Logitech case. I have the new 13” iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard. It replaced my 12.9 M1 iPad Pro. I bought both the Magic Keyboard and the Logitech keyboard for the M1. I used the Logitech for awhile and loved the extra protection, but ultimately I switched back to the Magic Keyboard because you can pick up the iPad and keyboard and carry it (while it’s open) around in one hand like a laptop. You don’t have to close it to move it or use two hands. That was a bigger deal to me than I expected. If I hadn’t gotten used to using the Magic Keyboard first, I’m sure I wouldn’t have noticed. The other thing is the extra port. That’s handy not just if the iPad’s port is being used, but also if the charger to plug into is on the opposite side of the iPad.
As for extra protection, MOFT makes a great snap on case for the iPad Pro. You snap the iPad into the case and it magnetically sticks on the Magic Keyboard (as does the iPad without) and it docks the Apple Pencil too (while still allowing it to charge). You can also get a magnetic stand for the case so you can have the iPad stand alone similar to the Logitech case.
Your comment has helped me decide. thank you!
I ordered both cases, but decided on the Logitech case. I like the "kickstand" on it better. I also have a Surface Pro that uses that same style of stand, so I'm used to that. I just wish they had that pencil holder design of the previous Logitech case. And I use the ESR pencil and screen protector - no issues (other than the magnet on the ESR pencil doesn't seem to be very strong).
This is a great comparison. I just received the air 13 combo and it does not look like the keyboard can be attached and flipped back completely without separating from the case.
I have the new 13” iPad Pro with the new Magic Keyboard, I got a UAG Urban Armor Gear 13” laptop case and It is perfect! It houses and protects the iPad and Keyboard and you can open it up and it opens the iPad automatically, it’s the most perfect combo I have ever found for iPad and the keyboard.
I use my iPad Pro mostly while reclining on the couch or in bed, and a lot of that time I’m drawing/painting/sketching. The Combo Touch is far and away the better solution for me for this use case. The Magic Keyboard just isn’t stable in bed for me and often I can’t get the angles right for comfortable drawing.
The Combo Touch keyboard folding back under the stand to create a flat surface is actually perfect for this use case and provides a stable surface for use in bed. Feels like a happy accident but it makes the Combo Touch basically perfect. I would buy this case just for this design even if I never wanted the keyboard or trackpad.
It’s slightly less convenient to type on the Combo Touch in bed, but easily doable and I’m using it to write this post with zero issues at the moment. The ability to remove the keyboard when I just want to carry the iPad around the house to watch a TH-cam video in the kitchen or dining room is pretty great, especially as an upgrade from the 2021 Combo Touch which was MUCH bulkier and didn’t have the detachable keyboard.
Your post was helpful! I’m basically going to use it the same way you’re using it. I actually just bought both the Logitech Combo and Magic Keyboard (iPad Pro 13”) to compare them. The protection was a priority for me and didn’t want to worry about damage or dropping it while carrying it around the house/using it while traveling/laying in the bed. The Magic Keyboard is very nice but the Logitech’s features/versatility for my situation is working out perfect. I even thought about keeping both, but I know after the “newness” wore off, I’d be using the Logitech. I’m most likely returning the Magic Keyboard this week.
Thanks for the great review and comparing the two... One concern I always have is neither of these tend to "securely" store the Pencil. Some cases (keyboard case combinations also) either don't have a pencil storage at all, or they try to use an elastic or rubber "loop" on the outside of the case that gets weak over time. Apple pushes their new Pencil Pro, so they should get on board and have their new Magic Keyboard securely (internally) store the Pencil.
I used combo touch years and years ago.
The biggest issue they have has always been the weight .. the difference is crazy
I used the combo touch previously but really like how the fact that it's up off the desk and the keys on the Magic keyboard was, at least compared to previous models, much better. If I'm going to use it primarily as a table for something, especially traveling or music, I just put it in a different case. Great and very thorough review!
I've always preferred the cases the protect the back and edges, so in this comparison I would opt for the Combo Touch.
Thank you.
Your review was very helpful and helped me make my purchase decision.
Went with the Logitech option, mainly because of the protective case on the iPad. I frequently use my iPad alone without the keyboard. Don't feel comfortable with it NOT protected.
Thank you again. 🎉🎉
Can you fit a skin and a tempered glass screen protector with the cases?
I don't use skins but tempered glass works fine
@@JerrySchulze Yup I loved that you covered that in your review, just worried about that exposed part with the pencil slot and I'm not planning on buying the pencil. Please let us know if you do test it with a skin 🙃
Thank you for the review. I have the Combo Touch on my M1 iPad Pro 11 inch. I am considering one of these options for my new M4 iPad Pro 13 inch. In all honesty, I thought that Apple would have created a case to protect the iPad when it's not on the Magic keyboard by now. Even a bumper case like they used to make for an older model iPhone would help to keep the edges more protected if a customer opted to go that route.
Magic keyboard with protected edges will be my dream setup. I picked up the Combo Touch because I use keyboard less, and I love the stand which does’t wobble in bed!
What made you go from an 11 to 13 iPad Pro. I have a M1 Macbook Pro, but will mainly use the iPad for video editing and photo editing. So leaning toward the 13. Right now I have a 5th G 8in iPad.
about clicking on the logitech trackpad.... you can set in the settings that it registers a click when only touching the trackpad I remember?
I got my nephew the esr rebound case and he’s very happy it more protective than the Magic Keyboard and more like the magic keyboard and I like how it hovers so you don’t need a surface
Great review, thanks. A friend of mine just got a brand-new iPad Pro 13-inch and the Magic Keyboard. She ended up returning the keyboard because the big iPad would NOT stay magnetically "stuck" to it for regular use. I tried it a few times as well... very frustrating. Will definitely check out the Logi.
I got both the Apple Magic Keyboard and the Combo Touch for the iPad M4 13”. Previously I’ve owned the Logitech keyboard cases but thought I’d try the Apple case for comparison.
What I miss with this Logitech case compared to my last Slim Folio Pro is that it does not have a back flap that contains a slot to hold the pencil, a flap that folds over and attaches by magnet to the front when you close it. So I was able to easily bring my pencil with me, it sat safely inside the pouch in the flap where it was less likely to get lost vs if it was only sitting on the magnet on the top. With this new Combo Touch I would have to carry the pencil around with me which is less convenient. But the Apple Magic Keyboard has nowhere to store the pencil either.
I like typing on both keyboards, think the Apple Magic Keyboard is a bit better. I find the Combo Touch’s cursor moves sometimes away from where I am typing to a random spot in a paragraph above. And issues with it deleting some text as I type it. Still have not figured out why that is happening and neither has Logitech. Looking like I have a defective Combo Touch and will have to exchange it.
I found the Apple Magic Keyboard to be very top heavy. When sitting on anything but a hard surface it falls backwards if the screen is at an angle. Though do like its viewing angles. But Combo Touch’s viewing angle are fine too.
In the end, the #1 reason I chose the Combo Touch is its hinge allows me to fold the keyboard not only forward to cover the screen but also back, so I can view the screen when not using the keyboard AND my iPad is still protected on the sides and back. I take my iPad everywhere, shopping, the gym, when traveling, etc so this is important. The Apple Magic Keyboard is good if you are mostly using it when at home but not if you are on the go.
And adding ~25% to the Combo Touch’s price to buy the Apple Magic Keyboard makes it $$$.
I asked the Apple people why their Magic Keyboard case does not have sides to hold and protect it… and was told it was not necessary since they have Apple Care. Yeah maybe but that is a paid service. Hmmm. Recurring revenue or designed-in obsolescence …
I am trying to figure something out, when you have it connected, it wastes your ipad battery right?
what if you Use it where the keyboard is folded like in this video, does the battery still get taken up?
Hi JM My situation is identical. The bottom line is that I prefer the Mogi keyboards after all especially when comparing the price. I cannot see why the Apple KB is SO expensive.
Hi! im planning to buy this combo touch for my ipad air for $165 here in my country are yours still working? and do you recommend it over apple magic keyboard which is also on discount here and i can buy it for $222. Looking forward to your response it will be a huge help for me to decide, thank you so much!🙏
I’m really sad that Logitech is not producing the Slim Folio Pro anymore!
It’s a bummer that Logitech changed the material. Might be a deal breaker for me. The material on the previous Combo Touch cases were extremely robust and felt great.
Great comparison. I prefer the smaller and more stable footprint of the Magic Keyboard. When I am in a restaurant sitting at my favorite sushi bar, the Magic Touch foot print being smaller works better than the larger footprint of the Combo Touch.
You can add the backlit keyboard brightness in the control center. Works similar to the screen brightness slider once added…
is the keyboard charge port a data port?
Nope
You can adjust the brightness of the keyboard backlighting in control center…if you add it to control center, then just press and hold on the tile.
Yeah, the confusion’s there because you have to add it to Control Center once manually, I guess. But honestly, even though I put it there four years ago when I first got my original Magic Keyboard, I’ve never actually used it because it just uses the ambient light sensor to set to a good amount of backlighting and I haven’t ever felt the need to turn it up or down on my own.
@@Aiii83 it’s true, it was always a complaint by folks that you couldn’t adjust it on the Magic Keyboard but I’ve never needed to adjust it either.
does the logitech one connect using bluetooth? and unlike the apple one, can it be used without being magnetically connected to the ipad?
No and no.
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Excellent information.
Looking for a more laptop type experience, I pulled the trigger on the Magic Keyboard for my iPad M4 Pro 11".
Good choice!
@JerrySchulze thanks to you 🙏🔆
I had “Combo Touch” on my previous iPad Pro. Unfortunately, the edges, where the cutouts for the volume buttons and speakers located, starts to warp (looking like a noodle) because they are too thin and has no rigidity.
I bought the combo touch from Apple and am returning it. It’s actually not great unless you’re on a flat surface sit down on the couch and try to type with it. It’s bloody impossible.
People have stated they can charge at 15 volts and 2.6 amps, so just under 40 watts, both with the iPad Pro's Thunderbolt port or via USB-C pass-through on the keyboard.
Excellent video and info. I have one on my 13” M4. One glaring disappointment is the lack of a “cage” for the Apple Pencil. While carrying the combo, or putting it in a bag, the Pencil likes to dislodge. Otherwise, this is another example of Logitech’s great design. Pricey but worth it. Thanks.
Excellent details - like them both but leaning toward Logitech combo for the standalone protection.
I just got it on eBay open box item for $90. The case was tight. i used a hair dryer gently and soften the rubber. it slipped pretty easy. The Logitech combo case protect the iPad and keyboard is on par the Apple case also you save a lot money.
10:49 You can now add key brightness control in control center on iPadOS 18, so yay
Money isn’t a problem, which one should I get for my m4 pro 11?
Awesome review. This is just the video I was looking for, amazing
Great comparison. I have only praise for the Logitech Combo Touch I’ve been using with my 2018 12.9 Pro for the past 6 years, and will opt for the Logitech again when I upgrade to the 13” M4 Pro later this year.
What about long term use logitech combo touch? Will the rubber stretch like the previous version?
By far the best, most comprehensive guide to these cases. Thanks Jerry! The MK is so expensive but definitely the one I ended up getting.
I have the Logitech with the 11 inch iPad Pro. Two issues: I take a lot of screenshots and when I use it without the keyboard (which has a shortcut), holding the necessary buttons in the top right hand corner (when held vertically) is really tricky. Also, the rubber around the speakers and at the bottom of the screen keeps growing.
Great video!!!! Do you have to charge the Logitech keyboard separately?
You answered the questoin at the end. Thanks.
How does the Magic keyboard obtain power?
From the pogo pins on the back of the iPad.
No doubt i dont like the Magic Keyboard because of its inflexibility but you can actually include the Magic Keyboard lighting button in the control center at the top right of your iPad screen. Not sure why you mentioned you can’t do that?
Is there a case that will fit the 13” iPad Pro and still be able to close the Apple Magic Keyboard case?
Wondering the same for the 11 inch
i cant find any place near me with the combo touch and every website i look at is unable to deliver it to my location
I enjoyed this review! Thank you very much!
Thanks for the great review. After watching it I headed over to Apple to purchase the Combo Touch for my iPad Pro 13” M4 with Nano-texture glass. However, saw the following in the product information description: “This Combo Touch Keyboard Case is not designed for use with iPad Pro 13-inch (M4) with nano-texture glass.” Any idea why?
Yep, I talk about this in the video during the questions segment.
Sorry, I missed it. Thanks so much.
Hoping more colors are offered with the combo touch.
I wouldn’t bet on it.
@@JerrySchulzeat most they’d make a light grey. Don’t think we’ll see Air colors like pink.
Will new combo touch support old ipad?
I have heard reports of the keys on the logitech failing - usually the spacebar. Anyone else have experience with this?
My wife had the E key fall off on an older version.
Enjoyed your review. Am I correct that the Magic Keyboard won’t go flat to use on a piano or music stand? Last gen didn’t. I have the new iPad with Logi Combo Touch and early results are pretty good. I needed something that I could lay flat to perform and it serves that purpose quite well. It’s a little heavier than my basic iPad case from apple and I paint with procreate while waiting for appointments. Logi is a bit cumbersome and heavy for that purpose but serves me well when I paint on a desk or table.
Yep that is correct. Seems the logi is best for you. Thanks for watching.
Can you turn off the M4 iPad using only the keyboard? I was able to do this with previous iPads using a Logitech keyboard by simply holding on the sleep button but can’t seem to do this with the new Magic Keyboard regardless of the button combination.
The lock button on the MK locks the iPad and the screen will shut off on a few seconds. Using any keyboard you can type Control-Command-Q to do the same.
You can actually change the backlit keyboard on the magic keyboard in control center.
Yes, was my mistake.
Logitech doesn't have ESC key?
Correct, but most apps in iOS or iPadOS do not respond to an escape key.
does the logitech one have good palm rejection when typing?
Great Video! I wonder if the logitech trsckpad disconnects every so often? Some people have had this experience.
12:48 USB ports on Apple Magic Keyboard: side for data, but power only at the one on its hinge.
15:33 Logitech combo is a two-piece: detachable keyboard and the flat back. The two pieces are held together along the keyboard's magnetic strip.
On the back of the iPad, there are those 3 little dots. I have no idea why, but they are described as "pogo". Anyway, both the Apple and Logitech match these to where the iPad rests.
// Separating the keyboard from Logitech combination interrupts the connection to the pogos: No juice to keyboard, no talk between iPad and keyboard.
QUESTION: In olden days, were the connectors located on the side of iPads? In what year and on which iPad model? Were they always those pogo thingies?
Did you have any difficulty with the logiteck track pad while typing and resting your palms on it?
I did not but I use the 14 MacBook Pro trackpad all day so it felt very familiar. I am used to keeping my hands on the wrests.
Combo touch is way better. I wish they had kept the same material instead of trying to copy Apple
I actually prefer this matherial tho
They sell the Logitech keyboard on apples website so it probably more of a collaboration between them when copying
I got an issue with the space bar which sometimes not work, anyone have the same issue? Any advice from this one?
Get a replacement I guess
Is the Logitech Combo Touch iPad Pro 11 inch 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Generation model compatible with the iPad Pro 11 inch M4 processor? If you learn this, you will make me very happy.
Let me ask you this Costco has the Magic Keyboard on sale for $275 and that’s for the 13 inch iPad Pro M4 at the price point would you recommend the Magic over the Logitech combo
The combo case works fine with the nano texture glass as I am doing so to watch this video. Nice content
You said older iPads can’t be used for this case, however Logitech website states that it’s compatible with IPad Pro 11-inch (1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th generation) i am a bit confused now. Can you please reply if its compatible with older iPad Pro versions? Thank you for the Video
You have to buy the case specific for your iPad version. They have separate cases for m1, m2, m4, air, pro, etc
how’s the magic keyboard on a bed
If angles too far back, will want to tip.
Good comparison, but I'm surprised that there was no mention of the warping rubber on the old Combo Touch around the speaker grills and corners. This was a common complaint on older versions and not sure if the new versions of the case will do the same thing.
So you can use the case combo with ipad nano tech screen with a screen protector ?
Which one is easier to use on a couch?
My guess would be apple Magic Keyboard
Would the combo touch for the iPad M4 work with the M2?
As someone coming from an iPad with the Logitech keyboard to a M4 iPad with the Magic Keyboard, i still don’t know what I’d use the ESC key for, it doesn’t function as a back button. Any help greatly appreciated.
It works for some things like backing out of a photo in photos app. Maybe more apps to come?
I just purchased the smaller M4 iPad Pro and plan to get a keyboard, so your overview of the two products is both timely and helpful. Thank you.
I am using the Combo Touch with the iPad Pro 11" M4 and it is great and very versatile. I just need to get used to the small keyboard layout (which wouldn't be larger on the MK).
Save your money and get a ESR keyboard case.
Very nice review. I have had a combo touch keyboard on my 2021 12.9 inch iPad Pro since I bought it new. Zero problems or complaints except am I the only one who misses having a caps lock indicator on the screen? I will be purchasing the new model for my wife’s M4 iPad Pro. Thanks again.
What happened with the saturation of the video?
Brightnes of backlight can be changed in the control center if you add the setting
Did Logitech fix the rubber like frame from distorting/stretching if you just remove the iPad from the case a few times. I got a warranty replacement for my M1 iPad Pro, The replacement soon started warping/stretching after just a couple of removals of the iPad from the case. Otherwise I loved the large trackpad and function row keys. But of course the new Apple Magic Keyboard has a larger trackpad and a function key row.
What you say about the MK fingerprints is quite true. I put a skin on my old M1 iPad, and will do so on my M4.
you can adjust the backlight of the magic keyboard from the control centre
Being able to detach the keyboard and use it with a case is a huge deciding factor for me. Combo Touch is a lot more versatile it's not even close. But I'm really curious about the haptic feedback on the Magic Keyboard
What brand of protector for the Ipad (13) would you recommmend using with the Magic keyboard?? Great review by the way!👍🏻
I presently use the Logitech and had to replace it twice for issues with the keys but Logitech did it free of charge. Updates for the keypad are not straightforward either..🤷🏻♂
Is the video recorded on log? 🤔 and u forgot to color grade? Or just new lights 😂?
Any comment of the logitech software app used for combo touch?
So far doesn’t even detect it.
Excellent and thorough review. Thanks!
New combo touch dont have lock botton anymore. Biggest downside as i use it a lot with the previous one
To prevent scratch on nanoglass ipad pro display can I use screen protect and keep on combo keyboard without connection problem ? thanks
Jerry, I must of missed it, but did you go over if the Logitech has a more sturdy Apple Pencil holder, because it’s a full case the Apple Pencil is not compatible?
The case does not cover were the Apple Pencil magnetically attached to the iPad.
The problem that I have with both the Apple and Logitech keyboards is as follows: Due to a “lazy” left thumb it sometimes touches the trackpad and activates the pointer like a mouse move. Sometimes this even makes the app switch to another open app in the background. When typing rapidly (like I do @85wpm), the pointer goes off the screen. When using my Mac, I can disable the Mac trackpad when I am using either an external TP or mouse. This cannot be done with either the Magi KB or the Logi KB. I have complained to Apple and Logitech about this many times but it seems to always falling on deaf ears. What do you think? Greg from Rio de Janeiro
Could you possibly place an extremely flat board over the trackpad while typing? I know it defeats the purpose of being portable without carrying around extra stuff, but possibly a diy cheap hack to prevent accidental gestures on the trackpad,
@@strawberryyogurt0 I have tried squares of cardboard, outdated credit cards, etc. They all work but really look wonky and get in the way. i just want the iPad to work like the Mac that allows me to turn off the trackpad when using an external trackpad or mouse. Is that too much to ask?
Pure gold, very useful, thank you for the review!
Did you ever run into issues when typing? Like the touchpad interfering with the accuracy of the typing?
Just got the logi combo touch for $50 at target after some coupons and discounts, definitely worth it for the price
Does it bends 360°?
I just purchased the logi, I watch this video after I got my keyboard. I purchased this keyboard because the price. And seam better, apple always want to overcharge for the extra stuff. Thanks for the video help a lot the explanation is great 👍
I think the MKB would be perfect for airline travel. Not so sure about the Combo Touch considering the foot print. I acquired the 11” with the MKB and have enjoyed the experience. Nice upgrade from version 1.
Hey, is it compatible with the magnetic glass screen protector?
Magnetic paper screen protector*
I wish the combo touch had a Bluetooth mode for the keyboard when removed.
Thank you for this video. It was very informative.