When it comes to Workout Warriors, you also have to mention Mike Mamula, from like 95. He had this incredible combine and the Eagles grabbed him 7th overall. Totally wasn't worth it, that high.
Imagine drafting a QB at the draft, couldn’t be me. This was written by a Steelers fan probably jinxing himself at an attempt to make fun of Gettleman from 2019.
As a fellow Steeler fan, I'll rage if we take a qb in this weak class instead of addressing infrastructure needs first. We took Najee last year, now we need to build a good home for him and our eventual guy.
@@SkunkApe407 Tree is a smart man when he isn't in full Yinzer mode lol. I'm happy we got Trubisky cheap, as we aren't winning shit this year anyway and can spend the money somewhere that will help make our team better 2-3 years from now. We're tanking w/o actually tanking, which is perfect.
@@parkercrossland410 I'm honestly not mad about the Trubisky signing. He's better than Rudolph, and is definitely solid enough to keep you guys somewhere near .500. That said, there are a lot of other holes on your roster. So I definitely think a couple years to rebuild is just what you guys need.
I love that you included Baddog's reaction to Daniel Jones. I love the guy. And knowing you're a Giants fan too, yeah I think you and I will get along too. Matt Dodge, I was a junior in high school when that version of the Miracle at the Meadowlands happened and I remember finding out as I was heading home from my SAT tutor that the Giants were up big and as soon as I turned the game on is when the collapse began SMDH. At least it was all good the following year but since then, only one good season.
The fact that Mandarich got back to the league after years of not playing shows how talented he actually was, but he had so many intangible problems and his measurables were so juiced that he ended up in elite bust territory.
That still makes me giggle. His fight with the Colts over their missing on Trent Dilfer is a confusing mix of schadenfreude and horror. While he was eventually proved right - I think both Colts' First Rounders that year were busts - we're talking about TRENT FREAKING DILFER, who didn't exactly end up being a franchise QB for anybody (let's admit it, his Super Bowl win was due to the Ravens' legendary defense that year). Kiper is just a blowhard nowadays. I see him projecting players to teams that aren't good fits and I wonder who does his bleeping homework anymore.
@@paulwartenberg8479 I was just about to say: Wasn't that Ravens team more known for their defense? XD His desperate cling to relevance goes to larger extremes every year. He needs to hang it up. Whatever he used to have (and that's not much tbf) is gone.
Frankly, given that he had a lot more faith in Josh Allen than I did four years ago today, I can't make myself hate the guy, though you are, of course, objectively correct in your assessment.
On the desperation front, you could have also added the desperation of a GM to keep his job with a big splash pick. While Ryan Pace was no stranger to trading up in the draft to get his guy (while mortgaging the future), his desire to make a big splash pick with Justin Fields in the hopes of saving his job has likely set the franchise back in any rebuilding effort for another year or more. And he lost his job anyway because rookie quarterbacks can't turn around a franchise on their own.
"Always try to screw over your rivals" Yeah, after watching the video JaguarGator9 made about when the Cowboys tried to do that to Washington...not sure that's necessarily a good idea
I'm surprised he didn't mention the Cowboys taking CeeDee Lamb when they didn't have a need and the Eagles were desperate to get him but couldn't find a trade up partner.
@@hiflyer000 Probably because he was 6th on Dallas's board and they took him because he was BPA and not to screw over PHI (though that possibility was a bonus from their perspective, I'm sure). FYI, the team had just lost their WR3 Randall Cobb and did have a need to take a WR at some point in the draft - they didn't expect it to be an early round pick, but it did fill a lesser but legit "need".
@MLDKF it wasn’t a good idea because they teetered on breaking the rule against drafting a punter. Drafting a kicker is slightly more forgivable, but it’s close
There was a time, way back when, and yes, it was the NFC east, where Dallas drafted a placekicker purely to spite Washington. The kicker would sign with Washington anyway, but he would be a total bust. A tackle was still on the board at that time and that tackle would prove to be a rock on San Francisco's offensive line for just over a decade. Imagine if it was him with Dallas instead...
i never thought of this, but the eagles trading up for smith is like the cowboys and eagles tag-teaming to completely screw over the giants. the boys still got their guy at 12, and the eagles were able to devastate giants fans everywhere.
No way you just put Leonard F in the same sentence as Trent Richardson. Can you blame him for wanting out of Jacksonville. Dude was a beast for the Bucs in their Super Bowl run. Trent was blind lmao
I remember the year after Demarco left, a friend of mine who is a Cowboys fan thought they should sign Richardson because he thought that blind bum would do well behind the Great Wall. And yeah, that might have been true if he had ANY sort of vision whatsoever!
Yeah you never draft a running back in the 1st round anymore. Unless you're in this situation like the Pittsburgh Steelers were last year. They had the 24th overall pick so not that great of a first round draft pick. Your need for running back is the absolute biggest need. And when it's your turn to pick and the absolute best running back coming out of college is available then go ahead and use that 24th overall pic on a running back. It worked out great for the steelers he ran for over 1200 yd not behind the best online remind you and it looks like hes got a good long promising career.
I’ll say this until i die, Browns literally had a steal with Nick Chubb, even with splitting runs with kareem he still got over 1200 yds and 8 tds he was definitely first round material and just a couple years in was a top 5 back
My favorite thing about the paxton lynch pick? While I can't confirm this happened, I've heard there was a certain rival team that was sending out signals they might move up to draft a QB.
Mike Mamula should have been mentioned in the workout warrior. He literally trained for the combine to raise his draft stock. It worked, but he was quickly exposed. As a Giants fan, I expected you to roast Philly on that one 😉
I'd say the best philosophy is draft the player that fills your biggest need without reaching. If you can get him later, it's always fine to trade back, especially if it's a position other teams behind you might not need. And when in doubt between two guys of seemingly equal talent/value, always pick the local guy, especially if he says he grew up with your team as his favorite. You're much more likely to get that guy's 110% effort every week, and if you snub him, he's likely going to make it his personal mission to wreck your week.
1:29 you also forgot David Wilson for the Giants too. That was the last time I could have had a Giants jersey with my last name on it other than Gibril Wilson.
One of my favorite draft season hobbies is looking back at the Giants drafts over the past 12 years or so and having a good laugh. I don't think I could draft that poorly even if I tried.
Out of respect, because you had to relive some Eagles highlights dunking on your Giants... Re: Don't Draft the Workout Warrior... Mike Mamula says hello. Practiced for the specific drills of the Combine, and tricked the Eagles into taking him way earlier than an undersized edge like him should have gone. So there we were with a 240-ish pound Defensive End getting pushed around for years.
Man I was really hoping you were going to bring up the Eagles draft day trades to fuck over the Cowboys and the Giants, and you did not disappoint. Thank you :)
Except the Goedert one is a myth. It sounds so sensible (Dallas did indeed just lose Witten, and the name thing even) that a bunch of people bought the claim when it was thrown out there on social media, but the Cowboys were already in the process of reaching out to the guy they were taking and were all excited about it on their war room camera. The team's need at LG was also bigger than any need at TE to boot - but I can't blame anyone for being excited about something that makes it look like the Cowboys got screwed over, true or otherwise.
Putting Leonard Fournette in the same sentence as Saquon Barkley is almost as bad as putting Trent Richardson in the same sentence as Leonard Fournette
Great piece. The only one I'm not necessarily 100% on board with is never to draft a punter - I don't see the big risk in spending a very late 6th or 7th round one on a guy who has a great college tape. The 7th round is a total crapshoot anyway, those guys have way bigger chance never to become more than PS guys than to be actual game contributors... why not a punter then (assuming you have a specific guy in your mind who you think has what it takes to be a good NFL punter)? On the other hand I am 200% behind the caveat regarding workout warriors. This is why I'm so not OK seeing my team getting Jordan Davis in a lot of mocks... (luckily, those mocks are not made by those who actually decide on the picks...)
Five Points talking about the Manning/Rivers trade just reminded me of when the Chargers had the number 1 offense and defense in 2010, but missed the playoffs because their special teams was so shitty
You can draft a punter, just not in the first round. Drafting a punter in the 6th or 7th round is not unreasonable. Especially if he's an exceptional punter.
I wish I could flex my body like that! I’m a 6’2” 18 year old hockey player (not goalie though), and I neeed that kind of stretchability! Serious range!
Playing devils advocate: Jury still out on a the running backs being taken round 1 (depends on the draft class), special teams wins/loses games so drafting a punter isn’t a bad decision as long as it’s not in the first 3 rounds, we’ll see about the rivalry thing after this years Draft (looking at you Vikings). Keep up the amazing videos dude!
@@pubsportstalk9681 running backs are mostly a product of their environments with the largest injury risks and the shortest careers. Therefore, you should focus your resources on positions that actually correlate to winning football games that you don't have to worry as much about whether they'll be able to play 17 games a year or if they'll be washed before their rookie contract is up. Punter is even more self explanatory. It's the least valuable position except for the long snapper. In addition, there's very little variability in the NFL between the best and worst punter. Even if there was, punter's draft position has no correlation with how good they'll be. A punter taken in the 4th round has the same exact expected outcome of one that goes undrafted, but makes the team. So yeah, two really easy rules to follow. Don't draft a running back in the first round and don't draft any kicker, punter, or long snapper period.
@@12jswilson you gotta have a balanced offense. So if you can snag a zeke, C2k, beast mode, LT, etc for a rookie contact and you already have weapons for an air attack then it’s a no brainier to go RB. Especially before they hit the market after a breakout season. I agree it depends on the environment and even more so the draft class (which is what I said to start) Punter is agree to disagree. Field position is key for most NFL teams unless you’re playing the AFC. If the draft class is weak like this year than it makes since to secure a top punter instead of a practice squad.
It was because of that punt return by Desean that let the Packers win the super bowl. If the Giants won that game, they would have taken the Packers' spot in the playoffs.
If The Incredible Bulk actually lived up to his hype would it even still be considered a good pick because of the other players drafted in the top 5? The only Tackle I can think of that would have been still considered a good pick would be Orlando Pace.
Baseball is an addiction here in Boston. Fenway squeezes in 37,000 patrons a game. Of those seats everything under the roof dates back to when people weighed under 200 lbs and are uncomfortable. They still fill the place at premium prices. Question is, just how bad is the Coliseum in that updates could not make it functional again?
Giants fan here, I don't follow college football and every "expert" is wrong so I just had a "wait and see" approach to Jones. It's too bad his development was delayed with bad coaches but I think he's on a good track now, especially if the Giants upgrade the interior OL and get some receivers who aren't signed off the street.
Rule 7: Specially on first day, never hand over your pick until it is very last second. Yes, you do know who you are goind to draft, but there are some desperate GM's willing to make a trade, a dumb trade that is, and if you just hand over your pick when you are on the clock, you might miss a great trade.
I wonder how common it is to find first team value in the later rounds, position by position. Like what percentage of starters or game time players are found in later rounds, position by position
Its crazy how, outside of a few VERY select rbs, the backfield is like closers in baseball: ride the hot hand and have a few cheap horses in the stable and you'll get 80%+ of the production of the guys making $20 mil/year. Theres zero reason to draft a RB with the first 32 unless you have more than one first round pick
Another Unwritten Rule: Boo the commissioner every time he walks on stage
The golden rule
Roger should make that an official rule for future commissioners after him
Just Rodger
Funny stuff
Yeah, but it's Goodell, so I don't think that's a rule, just a reflex.
I'll never get tired of hearing Tree's laugh at the Toney pick
Giants are trading Kadarius Toney tho 😂
I dunno. When they drafted Daniel Jones, Tree had an all time guffaw! It was GLORIOUS!
@@Reilly5 oh god, we can only hope! Tune in tomorrow night and lets watch the sweat bead on his brow when the commissioner takes the stage.
Tree's reaction gets me every time. Nothing like some harmless schadenfreude between friends.
Tree is a Steelers fan. He brings this on himself. 😂 Fucker is a masochist.
That clip will forever make me laugh.
Do you really use our german word "schadenfreude" in the states? :D
@@Brownie1904 you can thank our spelling bees for that haha
@@Brownie1904 no, only the real dorks do
Can’t wait to see fives reaction when the giants draft him and tree at 5 and 7
If Tree and Five get drafted before Grossi, Tom is going to be pissed. Just saying.
@@SkunkApe407 and their getting drafted as a kicker and punter respectively
@@SkunkApe407 5 points is a total hidden gem.
@@SkunkApe407 no he’s the consensus number 1 pick
And the Seahawks will take Tom to fuel their Wide Receiver addiction instead of trying to fix the team
Five points: "Never fall for the Workout Warrior!!!"
Jaguars: "I missed the part where that's my problem"
When it comes to Workout Warriors, you also have to mention Mike Mamula, from like 95. He had this incredible combine and the Eagles grabbed him 7th overall. Totally wasn't worth it, that high.
Underwear Olympics
The fact the Bucs had that 7th pick, traded down, and used the picks to select Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks makes it even tougher for the Eagles.
@@shawnweddle3002 Wow, I'm a Bucs fans and I forgot all about that. 😄 Thanks Philly!
Isn’t he the guy that was juiced up and was out of the league fast ash and became one of the biggest draft busts?
Flemlo should do a video on Mike Mamula
Imagine drafting a QB at the draft, couldn’t be me.
This was written by a Steelers fan probably jinxing himself at an attempt to make fun of Gettleman from 2019.
As a fellow Steeler fan, I'll rage if we take a qb in this weak class instead of addressing infrastructure needs first. We took Najee last year, now we need to build a good home for him and our eventual guy.
@@parkercrossland410 I found Tree's burner.
@@SkunkApe407 Tree is a smart man when he isn't in full Yinzer mode lol. I'm happy we got Trubisky cheap, as we aren't winning shit this year anyway and can spend the money somewhere that will help make our team better 2-3 years from now.
We're tanking w/o actually tanking, which is perfect.
@@parkercrossland410 I'm honestly not mad about the Trubisky signing. He's better than Rudolph, and is definitely solid enough to keep you guys somewhere near .500. That said, there are a lot of other holes on your roster. So I definitely think a couple years to rebuild is just what you guys need.
@@SkunkApe407 Within 2 years, if we play our cards wisely, we very well could be in position to make a run again.
The Toney reaction was priceless!!
I love that you included Baddog's reaction to Daniel Jones. I love the guy. And knowing you're a Giants fan too, yeah I think you and I will get along too. Matt Dodge, I was a junior in high school when that version of the Miracle at the Meadowlands happened and I remember finding out as I was heading home from my SAT tutor that the Giants were up big and as soon as I turned the game on is when the collapse began SMDH. At least it was all good the following year but since then, only one good season.
The fact that Mandarich got back to the league after years of not playing shows how talented he actually was, but he had so many intangible problems and his measurables were so juiced that he ended up in elite bust territory.
I think another rule needs to be added: Never listen to Mel Kiper. He's ALWAYS wrong.
That still makes me giggle. His fight with the Colts over their missing on Trent Dilfer is a confusing mix of schadenfreude and horror. While he was eventually proved right - I think both Colts' First Rounders that year were busts - we're talking about TRENT FREAKING DILFER, who didn't exactly end up being a franchise QB for anybody (let's admit it, his Super Bowl win was due to the Ravens' legendary defense that year).
Kiper is just a blowhard nowadays. I see him projecting players to teams that aren't good fits and I wonder who does his bleeping homework anymore.
@@paulwartenberg8479 I was just about to say: Wasn't that Ravens team more known for their defense? XD
His desperate cling to relevance goes to larger extremes every year. He needs to hang it up. Whatever he used to have (and that's not much tbf) is gone.
That's not true. He's wrong about 85% of the tkme
@@paulwartenberg8479 actually the dolts first was HoF back Marshal Faulk. 2nd pick, However. was a total bust!
Frankly, given that he had a lot more faith in Josh Allen than I did four years ago today, I can't make myself hate the guy, though you are, of course, objectively correct in your assessment.
Conspiracy theory: Dave Gettleman was an insider for Washington, Dallas, and Philadelphia
I think you're implying malice where stupidity would suffice. Don't give Gettleman that much credit.😂
What a theory! Lol
* And as a bonus, Carolina.
Rule 6 was added at the end SPECIFICALLY for the Jaguars to not pick Travon Walker
C'mon Balke let Hutchinson fall to the Lions
Oof.
FivePoints ive liked every video give me my family back
YEah Give him his family baCk!
Dam man he did what you wanted, give him back his family
Don’t do it. Liking is easy, but does he donate to the podcast?
Rule 13: Never let Hugh Culverhouse interfere with Bo Jackson's baseball career.
Wait, dammit... too late...
On the desperation front, you could have also added the desperation of a GM to keep his job with a big splash pick. While Ryan Pace was no stranger to trading up in the draft to get his guy (while mortgaging the future), his desire to make a big splash pick with Justin Fields in the hopes of saving his job has likely set the franchise back in any rebuilding effort for another year or more. And he lost his job anyway because rookie quarterbacks can't turn around a franchise on their own.
"Always try to screw over your rivals"
Yeah, after watching the video JaguarGator9 made about when the Cowboys tried to do that to Washington...not sure that's necessarily a good idea
Raider's did it to the Chief's by paying Adams making Hill too expensive 😂
@@AkamexAris1023 I meant specifically for the Draft, not Free Agency
I'm surprised he didn't mention the Cowboys taking CeeDee Lamb when they didn't have a need and the Eagles were desperate to get him but couldn't find a trade up partner.
@@hiflyer000 Probably because he was 6th on Dallas's board and they took him because he was BPA and not to screw over PHI (though that possibility was a bonus from their perspective, I'm sure). FYI, the team had just lost their WR3 Randall Cobb and did have a need to take a WR at some point in the draft - they didn't expect it to be an early round pick, but it did fill a lesser but legit "need".
@MLDKF it wasn’t a good idea because they teetered on breaking the rule against drafting a punter. Drafting a kicker is slightly more forgivable, but it’s close
I started getting into football when Peterson was in his prime and I remember those years as some of the most exciting football I’ve ever watched.
Big Fan of the Channel Been Watching a Long Time Keep it Up!!
Legend!
There was a time, way back when, and yes, it was the NFC east, where Dallas drafted a placekicker purely to spite Washington. The kicker would sign with Washington anyway, but he would be a total bust. A tackle was still on the board at that time and that tackle would prove to be a rock on San Francisco's offensive line for just over a decade. Imagine if it was him with Dallas instead...
The pettiness between divisional rivals doesn’t surprise me at all. 🤷🏿🤦🏿🙄
"Waiting for a tight end to fall in their laps"
-Five Point Vids
i never thought of this, but the eagles trading up for smith is like the cowboys and eagles tag-teaming to completely screw over the giants. the boys still got their guy at 12, and the eagles were able to devastate giants fans everywhere.
Watching that draft, I started to scream bloody murder, I wanted Smith on the giants
Sometimes division rivals have a super secret alliance. It’s always glorious to see
@@nicholasselke5214 not when it screws over your team lol
Another unwritten rule: don't get caught up in stylish hype without actually evaluating a player (cough cough Seattle taking Brian Bosworth cough)
Evaluation of a player could still easily lead to a bust
Bosworth was a fine player who succumbed to injury.
@@sirlawrence9161 and bad acting
Hell, getting caught up in the hype made Jadeveon Clowney a #1 pick.
Bosworth was a supplemental pick
LMFAO! Bro. I'm never living that Daniel Jones reaction down as long as I live! HAHAHAA!
No way you just put Leonard F in the same sentence as Trent Richardson. Can you blame him for wanting out of Jacksonville. Dude was a beast for the Bucs in their Super Bowl run. Trent was blind lmao
I remember the year after Demarco left, a friend of mine who is a Cowboys fan thought they should sign Richardson because he thought that blind bum would do well behind the Great Wall.
And yeah, that might have been true if he had ANY sort of vision whatsoever!
Yeah you never draft a running back in the 1st round anymore. Unless you're in this situation like the Pittsburgh Steelers were last year. They had the 24th overall pick so not that great of a first round draft pick. Your need for running back is the absolute biggest need. And when it's your turn to pick and the absolute best running back coming out of college is available then go ahead and use that 24th overall pic on a running back. It worked out great for the steelers he ran for over 1200 yd not behind the best online remind you and it looks like hes got a good long promising career.
Steelers were also a team with a great defense going into a win or bust year
I’ll say this until i die, Browns literally had a steal with Nick Chubb, even with splitting runs with kareem he still got over 1200 yds and 8 tds he was definitely first round material and just a couple years in was a top 5 back
@@hoppy5359 The split carries help keep him healthy
What about ezekiel Elliot
You forgot the one where the fans have to boo Goddell every time he walks out
My favorite thing about the paxton lynch pick? While I can't confirm this happened, I've heard there was a certain rival team that was sending out signals they might move up to draft a QB.
Here’s another rule: Don’t run out the clock
Yeah the Vikings screwed the pooch their but at least the guy they eventually got is a potential HOF in Kevin Williams.
saquon one aged very well
Giants fan here: whether toney works out or not, he was a worthwhile sacrifice to have two top ten picks imo
True, I agree. But in my opinion we had a chance at Micah Parsons
Mike Mamula should have been mentioned in the workout warrior. He literally trained for the combine to raise his draft stock. It worked, but he was quickly exposed. As a Giants fan, I expected you to roast Philly on that one 😉
As a Cowboys fan, I'd like to add one.
NEVER, under ANY circumstances, pass up on Randy Gene Moss.
I'd say the best philosophy is draft the player that fills your biggest need without reaching. If you can get him later, it's always fine to trade back, especially if it's a position other teams behind you might not need. And when in doubt between two guys of seemingly equal talent/value, always pick the local guy, especially if he says he grew up with your team as his favorite. You're much more likely to get that guy's 110% effort every week, and if you snub him, he's likely going to make it his personal mission to wreck your week.
1:29 you also forgot David Wilson for the Giants too. That was the last time I could have had a Giants jersey with my last name on it other than Gibril Wilson.
One of my favorite draft season hobbies is looking back at the Giants drafts over the past 12 years or so and having a good laugh. I don't think I could draft that poorly even if I tried.
Out of respect, because you had to relive some Eagles highlights dunking on your Giants... Re: Don't Draft the Workout Warrior... Mike Mamula says hello. Practiced for the specific drills of the Combine, and tricked the Eagles into taking him way earlier than an undersized edge like him should have gone. So there we were with a 240-ish pound Defensive End getting pushed around for years.
I would still draft Matt Araiza. He’s an insanely good punter and can serve as kicker as well.
@Cass Taylor Well it wasn’t for his punting ability 😅
The Giants takes in this video proved that it was made before this season.
Man I was really hoping you were going to bring up the Eagles draft day trades to fuck over the Cowboys and the Giants, and you did not disappoint. Thank you :)
Except the Goedert one is a myth. It sounds so sensible (Dallas did indeed just lose Witten, and the name thing even) that a bunch of people bought the claim when it was thrown out there on social media, but the Cowboys were already in the process of reaching out to the guy they were taking and were all excited about it on their war room camera. The team's need at LG was also bigger than any need at TE to boot - but I can't blame anyone for being excited about something that makes it look like the Cowboys got screwed over, true or otherwise.
3:54... that Broncos/Wilson statement didn't age well 🤣
And here I thought "Jets fans booing the team's first round pick" was going to be one of those unwritten rules.
Another unwritten rule: Never trade with New England, they will screw you and find a gem in the process.
The workout warrior rule is pointed directly at Jacksonville this year. They’re in love with travon walker based solely on the combine performance
Putting Leonard Fournette in the same sentence as Saquon Barkley is almost as bad as putting Trent Richardson in the same sentence as Leonard Fournette
High first round running backs who disappointed so its correct
Barkley is a kapernick lover
Lenny is the more productive and more successful player. I'd take Lennys carrier in a heartbeat over Barkleys
@@theninjaofmusic That's why you're not a GM
@@sirlawrence9161 Who says I'm not?
Now Toney is dropping passes for Kansas City. 😂😂😂
I love how Urinating Tree responsed to your NY Giants drafting Toney from UFlorida. I laughed my ass off too at that pick.
The Dave gettleman era broke literally all of these rules
Tony Mandarich will forever be the “workout warrior” poster child, but there are many others. Perhaps a video in the future?
Who's here after the Giants let MVP Saquon walk to their division rivals
Tree's laugh just cures many illnesses
3:27 never thought I’d see a screenshot of RuneScape on one of your videos
"I'm going to freakin'"...and on cue, FPV freakined!
You finally uploaded!!!
Never forget that Bryan Anger, despite the pro bowl, was picked by the jags ahead of Russell Wilson. Never draft a punter
Great piece.
The only one I'm not necessarily 100% on board with is never to draft a punter - I don't see the big risk in spending a very late 6th or 7th round one on a guy who has a great college tape. The 7th round is a total crapshoot anyway, those guys have way bigger chance never to become more than PS guys than to be actual game contributors... why not a punter then (assuming you have a specific guy in your mind who you think has what it takes to be a good NFL punter)?
On the other hand I am 200% behind the caveat regarding workout warriors. This is why I'm so not OK seeing my team getting Jordan Davis in a lot of mocks... (luckily, those mocks are not made by those who actually decide on the picks...)
Tree's reaction is only comparable with Ty's (McAfee's show) reaction to the Love pick for GB.
As a longtime Colts fan, I actually enjoy their draft style. I just cant watch the draft bc the Browns usually have about 45% of the picks lol
Don't fall for the workout warrior, I would also include how Jamarcus Russell threw 60 yards on his knees at the Combine.
FTR, Fournette has nearly 4K yards and signed an extension with the Bucs. Barkley had two good years.
Five Points talking about the Manning/Rivers trade just reminded me of when the Chargers had the number 1 offense and defense in 2010, but missed the playoffs because their special teams was so shitty
As a Packers fan I would say that punts are an increasingly important part of the game. Used to be onside kicks...
Shoutout you for the OSRS screenshot. Stonks!
You can draft a punter, just not in the first round. Drafting a punter in the 6th or 7th round is not unreasonable. Especially if he's an exceptional punter.
Bold of a Giants fan to make a video about the draft
Rule #7, never take a QB at pick 199.
Oh wait.
Najee Harris is a pretty damn good first round RB. Steelers were like we don't need no stinking rules.
so was Saquan after his first year. time will tell
I wish I could flex my body like that! I’m a 6’2” 18 year old hockey player (not goalie though), and I neeed that kind of stretchability! Serious range!
Basically don't be Dave Gettleman and troll the bald man.
That Depp reference was amazing.
As a Steelers fan I don’t regret drafting Najee in the 1st at all
No smashing another draft mate is an unwritten rule I think....
Playing devils advocate:
Jury still out on a the running backs being taken round 1 (depends on the draft class), special teams wins/loses games so drafting a punter isn’t a bad decision as long as it’s not in the first 3 rounds, we’ll see about the rivalry thing after this years Draft (looking at you Vikings).
Keep up the amazing videos dude!
Counterpoint: don't draft a running back in the first round and never draft a punter. Two really easy rules to follow.
@@12jswilson explain?
@@pubsportstalk9681 running backs are mostly a product of their environments with the largest injury risks and the shortest careers. Therefore, you should focus your resources on positions that actually correlate to winning football games that you don't have to worry as much about whether they'll be able to play 17 games a year or if they'll be washed before their rookie contract is up.
Punter is even more self explanatory. It's the least valuable position except for the long snapper. In addition, there's very little variability in the NFL between the best and worst punter. Even if there was, punter's draft position has no correlation with how good they'll be. A punter taken in the 4th round has the same exact expected outcome of one that goes undrafted, but makes the team.
So yeah, two really easy rules to follow. Don't draft a running back in the first round and don't draft any kicker, punter, or long snapper period.
@@12jswilson you gotta have a balanced offense. So if you can snag a zeke, C2k, beast mode, LT, etc for a rookie contact and you already have weapons for an air attack then it’s a no brainier to go RB. Especially before they hit the market after a breakout season. I agree it depends on the environment and even more so the draft class (which is what I said to start)
Punter is agree to disagree. Field position is key for most NFL teams unless you’re playing the AFC. If the draft class is weak like this year than it makes since to secure a top punter instead of a practice squad.
@@pubsportstalk9681 if you want a better rushing attack, draft an offensive lineman. That's what makes your rushing game better
I was not expecting to see runescape come up in one of your videos 😂 the grand exchange
That manic laughing.... I feel that pain. Whether it's being stuck on a video game or your team pulling Amber Heard in the bed
0:35 That dude actually looks like sam darnold
Matt Dodge is from where I live he went to school a town over. And I know so many people that hate him. I love it every time people trash him lol
It was because of that punt return by Desean that let the Packers win the super bowl. If the Giants won that game, they would have taken the Packers' spot in the playoffs.
Love that RuneScape got slipped in. You never quit, you just take long breaks
The bears desperation in that trade overshadowed the fact the team they traded with the 49ers drafted Solomon Thomas
1st Overall pick in 2022 a Combine Warrior with bad production
Unwritten rule #5 is the wildest one and the NFC East is...hot damn.
You say drafting a punter is a sin but as a Seahawks fan I can confidently say that Michael Dickson is now our best player so jokes on you
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playoff lenny is really good my guy.
If The Incredible Bulk actually lived up to his hype would it even still be considered a good pick because of the other players drafted in the top 5?
The only Tackle I can think of that would have been still considered a good pick would be Orlando Pace.
Little correction for your punter note. Pat mcafee was drafted in the 7th and he made multiple pro bowls as a punter.
Though I said after 2010, big Pat went Dahn in 2009 :) I
@@FivePointsVids ahh, you did at the top of the segment.
I am not sure what was funnier, Five Points punching his chair or Tree laughing like a mad man. And where did the Mitch Kissintitties thing come from?
Matt Dodge lol. Last time I talked to him he's a financial advisor in our hometown.
Baseball is an addiction here in Boston. Fenway squeezes in 37,000 patrons a game. Of those seats everything under the roof dates back to when people weighed under 200 lbs and are uncomfortable. They still fill the place at premium prices.
Question is, just how bad is the Coliseum in that updates could not make it functional again?
Wrong blog.
I’m all for booing the Comish.
As a Giants fan I threw my plastic Giants helmet at my dog cage when we picked Toney
As a fellow Giants fan this is a great video but hurt to watch
Giants fan here, I don't follow college football and every "expert" is wrong so I just had a "wait and see" approach to Jones. It's too bad his development was delayed with bad coaches but I think he's on a good track now, especially if the Giants upgrade the interior OL and get some receivers who aren't signed off the street.
The Vikings clearly did not know rule 5
Rule 7: Specially on first day, never hand over your pick until it is very last second. Yes, you do know who you are goind to draft, but there are some desperate GM's willing to make a trade, a dumb trade that is, and if you just hand over your pick when you are on the clock, you might miss a great trade.
To be fair, DK Metcalf was a gym freak workout king and that pick has worked out so far
I wonder how common it is to find first team value in the later rounds, position by position. Like what percentage of starters or game time players are found in later rounds, position by position
Uche says the talent is in the later rounds because a lot of the 1st round players are as good as they are going to be
Surtane and Go-dirt. This guy knows his football.
That Tree/Five Points stream moment will never get old
Its crazy how, outside of a few VERY select rbs, the backfield is like closers in baseball: ride the hot hand and have a few cheap horses in the stable and you'll get 80%+ of the production of the guys making $20 mil/year. Theres zero reason to draft a RB with the first 32 unless you have more than one first round pick
seeing baddog in this made my day. us giants fans only know pain