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- At last, an M3 estate. The new BMW M3 Touring, an M3 with a big boot. You get the same 3.0-litre twin-turbo engine from the standard M3, but 500-litres of boot space for all your clobber. Could this be the perfect practical performance solution? To find out, Top Gear Magazine’s Ollie Kew put the new M3 wagon’s touring and dog-carrying abilities to the test with a 1,500-mile road trip... to Barryland. Prepare for big slobbery dogs. You have been warned.
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I hate this new trend of replacing buttons with a screen. Audi's climate menu is just awkward to use and feels a little flimsy. The climate buttons are probably the most used buttons in a car. Why would you have to navigate through a menu, while driving, to change anything? It's probably a lot cheaper to do this though, having nice aluminium buttons is classy but expensive. But it really staggers me that on a 100 grand car you need to use a touchscreen to change your heated seats. Seats are a bit silly too, the indiv napa seats are truly magnificent to sit in. Not really sure if I like this car. Will be amazing to drive, but struggling to find its identity.
Audi uses buttons in A4 Allroad. Very easy and handy.
Right?
Feels so cheap with having 2 iPads glued to the dashboard...
Nothing is luxury about that!
That's true. Idk why car manufacturers are doing this nonsense.
It's not just cars. Modern aircraft have large multiple screens with separate 'entry pads' - so you don't dirty the display screens.
@@Yorkiepoocharlie A4 interior is great but they're too small for me. Wish A6 had the same interior.
I appreciate this guy's honest review and not holding back from criticizing BMWs stupid choice of removing buttons.
It doesn't get better than this. And I like the front end.
Amazing car. Amazing film. I honestly can't complain about the M3's shortcomings(infotainment, front bumper looks, weight) when it's probably the last fully petrol M3 and a fast estate is inherently very cool.
All those things are very minor they aren't a deal breaker for a normal person when you compare them to the pros of the car
So glad i got my M4 before the ID8 refresh. Thanks for showing us around this new car. I agree with most of the things you say. Except the red M buttons on the steeting wheel. I love them. Easy to see and switch modes while ripping.
The ultimate all rounder is one down. M340i Touring. No stupid grill, plenty of power, better ride and save yourself a chunk of change!
Done 12,000 miles in mine, and love it. Dont feel short on go in the UK one bit. Pretty much half the price and doesnt have a face only its mother wouldnt even love!
@@edwowen had mine 7 months and love it. Heathrow to Yorkshire yesterday and averaged 47.8mpg but spectacular on a back road.
Blimey that's a good effort. I'm at 33 since I bought it despite "pressing on" regularly!
@@edwowen £60K isn't 'half the price'
@@booboo1178 no, but I will quite happily take a 30 grand saving 🙂
I had a 328 Touring once for a couple of years. It was amazing and very rewarding in everything it did. This must be staggering by comparison.
It’s beyond me how BMW can design and develop such an incredibly complicated touch screen experience to the detriment of safe driving, when it’s necessary for drivers to have to take their eyes off the road ahead to find the required option in the digital dash to change functionality whilst driving.! This is an example of where the tech advances are in conflict with common sense.
Especially being a high performance car where you need to keep eyes focused forward!
Even with its quirks and faults it’s the absolute perfect high performance, year round daily driver! 🥰
It would be if it had full button controls and manual gearbox. And front end had normal sized kidney grills.
@@Kacpa2 At least based on the BMW Configurator, there is a BMW M3 Competition M xDrive Touring that comes with a manual, it's just even more expensive. And btw, the stupid carbon seats are a 5 grand extra.
@@Kacpa2buy a pre-facelift m340i instead… has enough power to Show off.
@@andreasschultze6644 It doesnt have a manual and i dont want to show off. I want something that will be fun and be something around power/torque level of a naturally aspirated 3L 6 cylinder(tho cylinder engines are quite interesting too) with manual and wagon bodystyle.
Have few options on my mind, all much mlre afflrdable than m340i.
Some of the options require a swap like Lexus IS300 sportcross(unless i go for weaker is200), others are super rare in exact configuration i want them in like Subaru Legacy 3.0R spec B.
With few other options that come with some tradeoffs like Ford Modeo ST220 which is front wheel drive but has cable throttle still.
I did think of e46 330xi/330i touring, but its hard to find a godo example nowadays and rep that bmw drivers have here, is something i dont want to affiliate myself with.
it also comes short on one aspect i want it to have which is potential to be used for trip camping in it for 2 people.
IS has trick with front seats folding flat, Legacy has just long and flat-ish space with rear seats folded. E46 has super steep incline with seats "folded" and its quite tight in the trunk to begin with.
So even if it has potential to be more fun, it comes short in terms of practical side. Subaru XV/Impreza Hatch is what it has to eclipse. I am willing to give up awd for RWD, but it has to have something interesting and or useful. These few cars is what i consider now unless you know something else from 2000s that could work.
The infotainment system is the only takeaway from this amazing vehicle. Every explanation and point was beautifully made and maybe when these cars hit 60k on the market, I'd consider one
ALL 2023 "3" series has the new iDrive, its AWESOME!
What?? BMWs new infotainment is by far the best looking in the industry! Its amazing
@@Techinvestor567 I know I sound crazy for saying this, but i have one of the most controversial idrive systems in my e60, and I prefer it more than what many new cars are putting out. Sure, I don't have a touch screen, but I like how everything is either a button or a knob
@@nicholaspenland6394 Not everything new is good. But BMWs new infotainment is great.
Maybe if the market hits 3.5k I'll consider 🤔 😏 one
What a great presenter, happy smiley and not droning on. Great video.
It should be noted that xDrive has been great at least since the E90 generation. It really doesn't feel like an AWD system. It will oversteer on command in slick conditions, but it also really does give an amazing sense of control over the car. I've had my xDrive E90 up in the snowy country roads in northern Sweden, and it was simply a magical drive. The only thing the new ones are missing is a manual trans.
Have you had to replace the front wheel bearings?
@@A92_ The front wheel bearings, front struts, front CV axles, front drive shaft, pretty much everything except the diff and transfer case, but that's mostly because my car has 270,000 km (167,000 miles). It is still a BMW, and they do require maintenance especially at high mileage.
Bmws 4wd systems has always been built for fun. From the first e30, always most power to the rear wheels. So much more fun in the snow than the stupid competion from audi that drags the rear around and you just get annoyed in the winter.
But i rather have say a rust free 330xi e46 manual cause it dosen't have that stupid touch screens with gauges that looks like they where designed in paint with no thought of real world use
the M3 has a manual trans as option.
Got to agree with you, I drive Alpina f31 xdrive and it's huge fun in the snow!
The pre-facelift Alpina B3 touring looks better and has the normal interior
A cracking polished review. I do want one now. A great car. I’d be tempted if wasn’t in car business. Too heavy depreciation 100k start price optioned. You’d have to have carbon backed seats tho, and then cover them for kids / dogs. At least they’re there for resale. If cannot see them in your ownership. Odd. Alas. All things cannot be perfect. What a tasty car. I like the trick orange bits. In cabin. I know I shouldn’t.
Just PPF the seats and all the interior carbon trim
Great Video, great scenery! Love the way this review was made, showing what it's about for car fans - emotion and passion...
I actually love the front end of the M3! it just looks mean and agressive! Just the way an M3 should!
BMW are 25 years late, Audi with the S4/RS4 and Mercedes with C63 AMG estates did this decades ago. And with no hideous grill .
Moving all the buttons (such as heated seats), to the screen is so that they can delete them unless you pay for the monthly subscription - difficult to do with a physical button …it’s a sign of things to come
My absolute dream car! Would love to own one one day!
My only criticism I can see other than not being manual (Pretty sure thats a old argument now).... In all the years bmw has done a 3 series touring.... Theyve never been able to get the rear seats to fold down flat in line with the boot. Absolutely daft criticism but thats it,
Stunning looking car!!!!
It‘s a coincidence that I‘ve been to barryland just 3 weeks ago so I enjoyed the St Bernhard sequence even more! 😅 pleasant surprise!
Top Gear really has had its day
Go watch the m4csl review after watching this review and just see how inconsistent TG is I mean this review was good but hey
Great review. The pooch’s at the end were a fantastic touch. Loove me some wagons.
The front GRILL design is just SCHRECKLICH !!!!
My dog & I cant wait to get this car. Sadly got to wait til end of 2023 BUT im 100% sure its worth the wait. My absolute dream car.
Great review! Going to need one of those!
Imagine waiting for an M3 estate for decades and then it gets an interior like this! Everyone who thinks this looks better (in any car) than some real buttons and especially dials deserves to be ripped off by carmakers and be charged stupid money for cheap screens that are an absolute hazard to operate while driving.
How is it illegal to operate a phone in a holder but legal to for these stupid touch screens?!
Nice wagon, we've all lusted after the idea. Problem is, Alfa Romeo have shown us that there is a family car that is now more lust worth than the M3.
@ 33 seconds in the vid. Love the bloke in the background that drifting his utility van! snow is free!
Some of the best roads, around Barryland. Love the route from Chamonix to Barryland
Paddle shifter and the M1/M2 toggles are the best part - ban!
Great Video, great scenery
The m3 touring is the perfect car and this, with the dogs, is the perfect video. I was BEAMING throughout!!
Excellent review
Just saw one today. It’s so gorgeous
What scenery!! That's all I'm seeing 😀
This car would be perfect for me if it wasn't for that massive screen instead of a normal dash
brilliant explanation by ollie
The best tourer this year
The Alpina B3 touring fixes this guys complaints but I guess he doesn’t know about it being a motoring journalist.
100% Alpina B3 Touring is just amazing!
Finally someone points out the tacky looking paddle shift. The red material makes it look cheap.
I just cancelled my order. With spec how I wanted it, it was £106k. Which was haunting me… it’s an M3 after all… I’ll definitely revisit the market in 12-18 months. I still want one…
Probably wise, prices have gotten silly. My new f80 in 2017 was half that
As Chris Harris pointed out once, the German luxo brands aim these super-estates at the moneyed ski set who take regular trips to their Alpine chalet. That's why 4wd is a necessity. It's why we haven't seen a BMW version until now, and why Audi have been doing it for ever. And it's no good saying 'nonsense, I'd buy one' when, in all honesty, most of us wouldn't... because it's a hundred flipping grand. Sadly, we're not the target market. BMW just wants us to salivate with our noses pressed to the glass, then settle for a 320i.
Great video. Not seen anything from Ollie before, but really enjoyed it. Seemed to get the balance just right. Somehow, the front grille seemed less offensive in this touring guise...
Sick review 👌🏽
I think it looks awesome, never used any of this touchscreen generation CC before though,
I wasn’t a fan of the grill at first reminded me of a groundhog, it’s grown on me and now I’ve driven one I to want one
Couldn’t agree more with his assessment of the interior
That panoramic touch screen looks so out of place in a performance car. People buy an M3 for its sportiness and that should extend to providing traditional dials/binnacle👍
We just got a brand new rs4 at home, we tried the m3, we loved it. But we couldn't stop thinking about the grill and how bad it looks. Spending 140k € on a car and everytime you open the garage you see this front grill...
Amazing touring - long live BMW
3 pedal version option would make this perfect
I really don't think this car suits a manual, it's like having a manual x5. Sure it would be fun but some cars don't suit a manual gearbox IMO
@@POVGOD only for more involvement purposes, as these cars need so much speed these days to feel the performance. I daily a manual as a middle aged person, keeps the fun engagement factor intact I find. Autos usually leaves u flat footing the car to seek for fun (like EVs). Plus a manual would make the touring/wagon bimmer unique as the competitors are all auto anyways. I would also say rwd, but seems this ride is red focused anyways, and one can toggle 2wd mode with feeling brave.
Always watching from Georgetown Guyana south America 🇬🇾🇬🇾🇬🇾🇬🇾🇬🇾
I dont know why always people hate on the new M3, it looks absolutely amazing, so agressive, it fits the touring bodystyle so much. Rly the only takeaway is the annyoing screen operation. The ultimate daily driver for sure.
I wasn't a big fan on new BMW M3/M4, just ruins the whole grill on the front. But I get used to it, but still the grill could be done better, rather than looks like a bunny teeth on the front.
Blind man has entered the chat
The US definitely should get this
Go for an Alpina B3 Touring instead - discrete, as quick and will be rarer too!!
Wish we were getting these here in America…. But I’m very happy with my X3M Comp …. Our version
Alpina have making fast bmw estates for a while now
If it wasn’t for the grill, this would have been the perfect car.
Perfect car? It can't even do boat ramps and it's reliability is outrageously bad. Our work one is on its second engine already and even that's cooking up. Terrible car and the orange peel on the paint is beyond the pale.
@@bigduphusaj162 Laughs in B58 that refused to die
@@baoquoc3710 B58 is a junk engine its been fully exposed at around the 50k mile mark as people predicted it would.
Funnily the grill isn't that bad anymore in my eyes. Not pretty, but tolerable. I've come to an conclusion that BMW made the iX so hideous that these more mundane models would look better.
The interior is still horrible and lack of manual bummer. And the price of course :D.
But what really has killed BMW in my eyes is the stupid maintanance system. They timing chains ruined with insane oil change interval, "lifetime" oils in diffs, transfer boxes and autoboxes, even though fe ZF says that 80tkm is the recommended fluid change interval for it.
it wouldn'y. The grille is the least heinous thing about it
Just a question
How comfortable is the new G80 M3 to daily for city driving and long road trips
It’s interesting that it’s illegal to use your phone whilst driving, but what’s the difference between your phone and swiping through that screen to turn your seat heater down
It is a shame that the M3 touring is not available in the US 😔
Love it
you also can get an Alpina B3 touring with the S58 engine and better look front end
Wagons for the win!
I wish they would bring this to the US. I would take this over the x3m I'm getting
Why doesnt BMW have buttons for heated seats? Because you now have to pay a subscription for heated seats. So of you dont pay, theyll just make the heated seats menu dissapear lol
Here it is, at last, the greatest all arrounder in history ❤️ It's not perfect, I wish it had the regular 3 series front end, and a simpler infotainment 🙄 But the M3 Touring is something so great I think we can gloss over it's deficiencies 🧐❤️ (And I wouldn't gloss over them for the CS, the M4 CSL or even that new 3.0 CSL Hommage)
Its a BMW and small flagship of sorts. Its a very complex machine. BMW depends on the fact it will break and they will charge an arm and a leg for replacement parts they will derive handsome profit from. That is BMW's business model. This car is expensive to own new and expensive to own used. No free lunch for the feathered edge of performance.
If you have 5 million in the bank and a chalet in Aspen, a great ski car. Just keep mechanic Franz on speed dial.
"Greatest all rounder in history" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
A junk disposable BMW finance express that falls apart within 40k miles and cannot even do a decent sized puddle nevermind a boat ramp or offroad. Lap times on medium and smaller UK tracks slower than old early 2000s 200hp sports cars like s2000 and RX8. Run flat bmw garbage ride and no B-road manners whatsoever, the last BMW to be fast on a B-road was E46 the newer ones just get confused over small pot holes and changing cambers. The interior on this model 3 serious can be kicked off by accident and their engines are the worst of the worst. I'd rather have an old Jimny than any of the junk the Germans are making now. Proper fisher price junk car.
Hard disagree, an Audi RS6 or E63 AMG wagon will do everything this does and more without being ugly as sin. But they aren't the best all-rounder either because an all-rounder has to be able to tow and go offroad.
As much as we car guys are loathe to admit it, in the current year where engineers are all but magicians the best all-rounder is going to sit a little higher and I think a comprehensive analysis considering all facets will likely reveal that the best all-rounder is the Porsche Cayenne. The fastest ones will match this M3 down a back road with mid 3 second 0-60 sprints and 1G+ skid pad numbers (the Cayenne Turbo GT is only 3 seconds slower around the nurburgring than this M3 estate, 7:38 vs 7:35), deliver proper sportscaresque chassis dynamics, feel, and feed back, fit 5 adults in comfort and luxury with the ride and NVH of an S class and build quality of a Porsche, offroad like a range Rover, tow as big a boat as you can get away with without permits (rated for 7,700 lbs), the hybrid models will do 30 mpg, and since the 2015 958.2 face-lift they look good too, all while being bullet proof reliable as well.
I love fast wagons, they are my personal favorite form factor for a car but they don't do everything, they are not a one car solution for people like me who need to tow racecars, tractors, PWCs and boats and who sometimes need to go places that require more than a speedbumps amount of ground clearance.
Still, I am very glad BMW built this. Hopefully they persist for future generations only make them, you know, not ugly...
Have you even read a recent M3 review?
@@flacjacket You have brought a massive point in your favor 🧐 E63 S Wagon. That ON IT'S OWN destroys my argument, I had already forgotten about that, you win my man 🧐 (I was about to say you can't drift all day long with an Audi RS, but you can with the E63 🌚❤️)
BMW FROM 1988...ciao e liberi fino all'ultimo respiro ♾️
Who are they making cars for if the people who drive them complain that buttons are missing. Who in gods name wants to scroll to change the temp?!!!!!
Great car ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
The V10 M3 Touring was a wonderful thing. We shan't see it's like again.
You mean the V10 E60 M5 touring?
@@NessBlock You mean the V10 E61 M5 Touring
The v10 that's bottom end fell out it at 60-70k miles. Yeah I had one of them too. Utter junk, sounded nice though.
Great review: slammed BMW for the looks and lack of buttons, but credit where it's due.
One of the best car viewers these days
Forget all those techs and bits you dislike bc even a 911's gone the same, M3T it's like 911 Dakar. to me, a practical, a special, a very cool car.
swiss italian border? aigle is lac leman means swiss frech border (i know this corner 8) - anyway i love the frozen look and your images - THX
All fair points and I agree with all of them. Having had to work on both. Tbh I'd rather tear down a subbie.
That screen is a deal breaker. 🤦♂️
Anyone know what kind of watch he's wearing? Looks awesome.
I've got to get this suspension done.
Removing buttons and moving them to a enormous screen is going to change once someone wins a lawsuit.
That screen is a tragedy
I have a fast BMW wagon 15 plate. Awesome all rounder
Bit different to my garage, i do have a Victa as well😁
5:11 whut 🤣
Im a Mercedes benz guy all the way . But i really like the m3 touring!
Smart man buys E61 M5 touring, has a manual gearbox conversion, has the rod bearings replaced and a massive service, and still costs less than half this! Cool car though no doubt, looks good, goes good, no hate.
Yeah but you’ll use that half saved wonga on fuel every 150 miles
@@PixelVogue I mean come on that's why you buy the V10 right!?
@@jordikorthals003 Thats what I did :D
@@PixelVogue Nice choice mate👍🏻
I just wish this was coming to the USA. Until it does we're limited to the RS6 Avant, A6 Allroad, a couple mercedes variants, the Forester, the Volvo and I think that's all...
I’m not a fan of touring/estates/wagons but people who buy them always talk about the boot/trunk space. The rs4 and rs6 look good as a wagon/estate though
Really wish we could get this wagon in the US.
It's like a boat, it rocks all over the place.
Internal memo - BMW Detailing dept to the marketing dept. "If you ever lend another car to those Top Gear t1ts, make sure they don't stick a massive dog in the back. I've been scraping hair and slobber off the Alan Cantana for the last 4 hours" - LOL
Missing the manual! Or does it come with one eventually:
BMW did not learn from VW with that 'infotainment'. Also, no real cluster, just a dang screen? I'm sure it's amazing to drive!
Excellent video! Having the shooting location relevant to the direction of the video was very Catchpole-esque! And the critique of BMW building cars to irritate enthusiasts felt all too accurate…
Alpina b3 touring for me!
BMW it always special👌👌
Special in that they need a tow truck all the time or special in that their engine sucks in its own oil filter? Or maybe special because they fry themselves on boat ramps in water depths even a RC car could deal with? You decide.
@@bigduphusaj162 I think what he means it that you have to be special to like them. As in having gone to special school kind of special
@@elvis1745 yeah was thinking that myself
Obviously you have difficult situations with BMW but everything you said was true😢
@@elvis1745You think🧐🧐
YO WHAT IS THAT SONG @10:55? that is just gorgeous
I need it!
One of your best videos ever. Sorry about the BMW short-falls.
Seeing that huge dog sitting in the back seat, did trigger my OCD 😅