@@Spot_Faceless-Soldier have you seen the new card, Cithria,Lady of Clouds? She is a warmaster, high member of the army, while Jarvan III is still alive... The plot hole is she recently joined the dauntless vanguard, and she is just a soldier (current events,after Jarvan III died). So yeah.. it seems Cithria is better chronomancer than Zilean :P
@@Spot_Faceless-Soldier Cithria's new card, Lady of Clouds, suggests that she was sent to recover Prince Jarvan when he was kidnapped, but the novella says that when she was a novice the kidnapping had already happened long ago, AND Jarvan III was already dead. So... maybe someone wrote the voicelines and card descriptions without consulting the story department, because Lady of Clouds is the most future Cithria.
@@justrealbadideas yeah... i can see it now... but you know what? Imma pretend the voice lines aren't canon, since the voice lines already take place all around the timeline
Necrit, perhaps Frozen in Time doesn't mean LITERALLY frozen. It may mean they are stuck in a bubble where time moves, but at a much faster speed than in the outside, which moves in a much slower speed than out of icathia.
Also, stop using pothole to describe things you wouldn't like about a narrative. Bringing a thousand volibears to zilean's dimension isn't a plothole, and there obviously is a boundary for the time traveling shenanigans, otherwise zilean wouldn't be having any issue with the void at all
@@rafasilva1265 he is not saying bringing 1000 volli is a plot hole. He mean if later on zilean try to deal with the void with other method or something it would lead to a plot hole about "why didnt zilean bring himself from other timeline?" "Why he didnt seek help from people from this timeline?" And etc etc. The reason why he said almost be a plot hole because if riot not careful with his story this would lead to a big plot hole.
@@rafasilva1265 Necrit is right in this. Once you open your fantasy world to unlimited time travel there is no coming back. There is no way time travel will ever have 0 plot holes in the long run. Also it makes the lore so much more complicated for no reason to the point when it just isnt worth it. Prefferably there is no time travel, if time travel exists it needs to have HEAVY restrictions. Something like Warcraft Void. It can see all possible timelines but it cannot interact with them nor can it see which one will happen in their reality so they have to guess.
It might just be a portal to Icatia the student walk thru. And the reason he is so much older when he comes back, is beacuse time goes so much slower in Zileans place
I think the tower is unbound in time, so it exists at mutiple points in time. That's why they need the portal to access various points in time, to briefly synch with a point in time on icathia
is there any prove that people who are not time mages go trough the portal ? i mean it could be an easy fix is that the person going trough needs to control time to keep the portal stable. Thus basically stopping the character duping process.
And, curiously enough², this stone is the exact same colour of the one Ekko uses. Assuming this kinda stone is found somewhere in shurima, and that the crystals used for hextech are found at the Shuriman border between it and piltover/zaun, either Ekko has a shard from the other side of shurima that ended up in zaun, or there are more of these elsewhere. Edit: also I'm referring to shurima as the continent, or that half of it
if I remember correctly, ekkos crystal was one that jayce worked on (which ended in an explosion) - and I just checked in Jayces bio, the crystal was found by some people and was kinda recognized as something new (yet useless, because "the stone was stripped by its power"), so ekkos crystal being from around zileans place might not be that far fetched, maybe it was an "empty" one zilean discarded that still had a little rest left in its core or something
@@rapalyn8889 if I remember correctly his voice leaked a while ago? This was for sure true for irelia and Riven, yes even before Riven was announced her whole vo and part of other champ's vos were datamined, and irelia was part of this, same for ekko I think
@@rapalyn8889 we may gonna get ekko, pyke and xerath (or someone else since we only got the datamine and there's no related cards to Xerath yet) on early July. Lor already has a few of their spell cards ready. Ekko archtype seems very promising with those early revealed cards👀
I am pretty sure it is gonna be a yordle but that might be the next one remember something vaguely in one of necrits videos where he says its gonna be a yordle
@@cameronhubbuck what i am confused by why didnt he change the vision and make somebody like captain marvel snap because he knows what happens like he tells her to release b4 she gets power slapped so she can take over the stones tony would steal
@@BlaxeFrost-X Ornn does seem like the kind of guy that would hate having to interact with himself. Either that or he'd be under the belief that his double is the only other competent person in the world and barely tolerate him for that reason alone.
People who were frozen with zilean are much likely to focus on fighting the void than the mist, maybe its someone zilean recruited later but idk what u would do with a time crystal hook
We're mentionning a street rat in the description of the new champ. Maybe he just found or had the weapon by luck, theft or heritage after the chronomancer who had it lost it or perished a long or short time before the present day, and had to deal with the mist to become a light sentinel, who knows
I really hope that in the Zilean Rework, we get him with his hair down instead of floating around him. Hair Down = Dandy Old Man Hair Floating = Hippy Grandpa
It's funny because LOR always hinted that Zilean will be champion in card game. Remember challenges/tutorial, when you do wrong combiation or go to next part, has alot of simmilar effects that Zilean has. So yeah i kinda think that Zilean is teaching you how to play this game XD Also please visual update for zilean he need to finally have 5 fingers
Imagine a Flashpoint event happening and the cause is Zilean eradicated the Void before Icathia fell. It's gonna be like a LOL universe reboot. But that would be years away from possibly happening.
What's still funny to me it's the fact that if Zil's tower was frozen in time when Ne'zuk tried to use the Monolith that means that he watched the whole firework show from the ground
What if Icathia didn't summon the void from the void, but used time magic to bring the void from the future when the void has corrupted all of runeterra?
That'd be cool. Would further accentuate why even God Warriors couldn't win. Yet void creatures elsewhere in Runeterra can be defeated by people significantly weaker than Ascended such as the Morai or Fizz for example clapping void creatures on occasion.
He's not using time magic to fight it, otherwise he would have probably just unmade it. He's using it to search for possible solutions. His clocklings are primed by him to do specific tasks but afaik not time-magicky themselves, but rather mechanical and powered like old clocks with gears and preloaded springs.
I bet that they won't duplicate people. There'll be a rule where you can't exist with yourself from a different timeline, or you'll get erased like Jojo part 7.
I feel like bringing random people over is a bit of a stretch right now. All we have seen is an established and powerful chronomancer go to a different timeline. I'm hoping riot sticks with that. Only those who have undergone years and years of training can even hope to move between times.
I hope so. Like, if you not strong enough in terms of chronomancy you just can like stuck between two timelines and basically die that's why only well-learned chronomancer could possibly do it (I hope they'll stick to it xd)
Its still a plothole if you have infinite time lines you would have random chronomancers popping into your time line for whatever reason and fuckint it up, or worse imagine having immortal beings like mordekaiser using this kind of magic, I don't like time magic in league at all
8:23 Mostly likely crossing timelines would be restricted to time mages, hence why Kahiri is sent and notice he mentioned he spent years preparing, in other words studying time magic, so it might be unlikely that Zilean could bring just anyone.
I would love to see Khahiri in LoL. Imagine every time he levels up his ult he steps in, then out, of a portal and ages up. Getting stronger similar to Kayle as the game goes on.
1.It might be exsitential barier where u can move normal people but not godly/transistencial beings. 2.Also it might be that keeping person in his timeline requires some constant energy so he can only keep some amount of people. 3.Zilean might not be out he might be in space between timelines and he can take them in his buble but they can only come back to their timelines from there.
I'm pretty sure they introduced this time concept so they could start killing off champions in stories and then have an excuse to revive them. You know peak dc and marvel comics stuff.
I'm pretty sure Kahiri just exits the tower into our current timeline and explores the void. Also, I'm pretty sure zilean only traverses one time line, but can see into others.
It could be a good boundary if they say you just can't go wherever you want to because the travel weakens the the "godlike" creatures, for an example if one of the ascended travels he/she maybe loses the ascension cuz in the other world he rejected by the ritual, or in the other worlds maybe Ornn is weak cuz he lost his followers and got forgotten, or just simply by the rules of nature you can't have more Volibear in your world than just 2-3 or the world starts to warp around itself. I think the boundary can be fear, the fear to "what happens" Zilian is caucious and reasonable so I think he will not going to do reckless things and if he thinks there is a hidden danger behind bringing every single champion a billion times to his world he will going to think out some "rule" to make that forbidden maybe they could add "weight" to a timeline and if there is too much "foregin" people in the world the timeline collapse on itself. Just don't throw this idea out yet. Riot is creative, I think they are able to pull something out from their back pocket to put a stop to the immense power! Hope you read this Necrit! I'm a very huge fan of you!
The Weight idea is sick. We could even add it to LoR and use Mana as a means to measure said Weight as an in-game gimmick. This would make whole lot of sense, like having two Sun Aspects causes solar physics to break down the same way Kratos killing Helios does. Comparatively having two Darius' does little damage and would fodder against the void anyways. I think the void is unrelated to time and space and so zilean cannot find a timeliness in which it is defeated, it instead shows up or doesn't.
My guess as to how they'll explain the time travel is one used in Dr. Who and a few other shows: that's is, you cannot go to a timeline you've already been in, and cannot occupy a timeline you already ARE in. This would also explain why Zilean didn't just, you know, make a council of zileans to figure out the Void problem instead of pulling Mages from different timelines, or on the flipside, pull a near infinite number of a single promising student. This plot point could also help in showing that Zilean may have a limited number of timelines to explore (even if it is in the trillions) as each one he goes into, he may not be able to visit that one again.
I'd imagine that each entity exists, not as two seperate entities within seperate timelines, but rather, an entity experiencing multiple time lines at the same time. And maybe only those who study chronomancy can isolate them from that effect, thus allowing travel between timelines?
Any lore and love for Zilean is always welcome. One of the OG champions with so much untapped potential. I really hope he receives an Ezreal like update where they enhance his visuals, he deserves 5 fingers!
i think the portal on the picture leads out of zileans tower to the remains of icathia. Thats how zilean got out of the tower and gathered mages from different times and because the time is frozen in the tower they doesnt get older. And some times they go out to the real world trought the portals to gather information and stay in contact with the clocklings, thats why in Zileans time it was a second that passed in that quote when Khahiri returned, he just travelled to valoran. Anyways this is just my oppinion. Great vids, keep it up:)
One thing necrit doesn't realise is that since Zilean can see multiple timelines he can literally refute any "plothole" with one phrase which is "It had to play out this way"
My theory on why Zilean doesn't just bring 20 ornns is because A) the risk of having even stronger darkin and B) Zilean doesn't know when the portal will open again. Something going through from their timeline might have no idea whether they'll actually return to that timeline and the ramifications of that.
God i LOVE that my hands down favorite league champ has gotten more lore and stuff. Hopefully Riot has everything planned out so that no plotholes happens
"It's better to have hope for a potential victory, than to dwell on an uncertain defeat." I can totally see this being a quote for one of the chronomancer cards or a new champion
If Zilean can talk to other mages from other timelines, does that mean he can talk to Zileans from other timelines and create the council of Zileans? Something like council of Ricks.
Maybe only people who have an affinity for Time Magic and stuff can travel between different realities, which would make plot holes less likely to occur.
The Easiest ways that riot can deal with making sure that Chronomancy/time travel are a few things, but they need to tread carefully. 1: You can travel to the past, but you cannot change the past to change YOUR future (MCU version of time travel). 2: Time Travel works normally, if you save Icathia in the past you save it in the future. HOWEVER the problem could be that because it was destroyed by the void it is just erased. there is a hole in time where Icathia stood. 1 would be the best all-around but is unoriginal, it could also explain how the student was able to leave the main-line and come back older. HE changed but could not bring anyone back from that line or change anything that happened...then again the fact that he came back part void kinda makes this worse and ask more bad plot questions than good questions or anwsers. 2 would be neat, but this option is already ruined by the fact that we KNOW that they can see and partially interact with past Icathia. they could still do this, but then the problems start to rise of "why not just get 100 Kai'sa's to go and kill the void opening before it kills Icathia" problems. speaking as a DM that has run a campaign that has timey-wimey crap as part of the main story, a writer needs to be as careful with time as any wise chronomancer should. or else big mistakes are bound to happen.
Notice that khahiri had the grapple thing from the champion teaser just without the glowy stone look. I don't know if this is just a detail but it's nice to see
There’s no plot hole (for now at least). Zilean can send people into other timelines FROM HIS TOWER, which exists OUTSIDE TIME. Doesn’t mean Zilean can (or wants to) pull someone from a timeline and drop them into another. As far as we know a person can visit a timeline and get back to the tower. Also it’s clear that Zilean is extremely careful with this kind of tampering. As such the idea that he could lure a thousand Volibears into the main timeline seems rather baseless.
I feel like the way his magic works you can send people to other timelines because those are timelines where people made other decision making different universes but runeterra is the only real timeline so you can send people to them but cant take people from them
Khahiri Really Looks like Kassadin, as he walks through portals into the Void that may not have the same flow of time or another timeline as said n the video.
Summoning duplicates from alternate timelines could meshed all-for-one cannon... Could also explain skins. Different skins are different versions from different timelines.
So, the card interactions with the returned student includes him seeing himself. Even if it's the one from the same time line seeing himself, that paradox still throws out the possibility of the "soul" exclusion you mentioned.
I think they want to do it like 1. Zilean isn't the one bringing them over they have to do soemthign first to first come over and 2. maybe when someone crosses a time dimension its like an ascension past time and all previous traces of them in timelines are gone
I thunk a good penalty for going into different timelines could be the wrath of the aspect of Time. We have the aspect of Protection, Twilight, the Sun, the Moon and of War so an aspect of Time and an aspect of Space are possible.
Time is a very complex thing, using it in fantasy world's can be fancy and all, but if you don't put right imagination and purpose and limits in place it becomes confusing and you might not know what to do next, so if you're planning to use time in your fantasy story be sure to keeps boundaries
In a sense Zilean kind of remind me of paul atreides in the frank herbert Dune novel. Can see every possible future, but as everyone of them is not satisfying to him, he is trapped and has no escape.
Next video: How Cithria became THE plot hole
Am i... missing something?
@@Spot_Faceless-Soldier have you seen the new card, Cithria,Lady of Clouds? She is a warmaster, high member of the army, while Jarvan III is still alive... The plot hole is she recently joined the dauntless vanguard, and she is just a soldier (current events,after Jarvan III died). So yeah.. it seems Cithria is better chronomancer than Zilean :P
@@Spot_Faceless-Soldier Cithria's new card, Lady of Clouds, suggests that she was sent to recover Prince Jarvan when he was kidnapped, but the novella says that when she was a novice the kidnapping had already happened long ago, AND Jarvan III was already dead. So... maybe someone wrote the voicelines and card descriptions without consulting the story department, because Lady of Clouds is the most future Cithria.
@@justrealbadideas yeah... i can see it now... but you know what? Imma pretend the voice lines aren't canon, since the voice lines already take place all around the timeline
@@Spot_Faceless-Soldier I mean it's better for them to just remove those voice lines, it will fix the problem with her in general
Necrit, perhaps Frozen in Time doesn't mean LITERALLY frozen. It may mean they are stuck in a bubble where time moves, but at a much faster speed than in the outside, which moves in a much slower speed than out of icathia.
Also, stop using pothole to describe things you wouldn't like about a narrative. Bringing a thousand volibears to zilean's dimension isn't a plothole, and there obviously is a boundary for the time traveling shenanigans, otherwise zilean wouldn't be having any issue with the void at all
My thoughts exactly
@@rafasilva1265 he is not saying bringing 1000 volli is a plot hole. He mean if later on zilean try to deal with the void with other method or something it would lead to a plot hole about "why didnt zilean bring himself from other timeline?" "Why he didnt seek help from people from this timeline?" And etc etc. The reason why he said almost be a plot hole because if riot not careful with his story this would lead to a big plot hole.
Yes but my theory is that frozen in time maybe that place is stuck in a place where time is non existence
@@rafasilva1265 Necrit is right in this. Once you open your fantasy world to unlimited time travel there is no coming back. There is no way time travel will ever have 0 plot holes in the long run. Also it makes the lore so much more complicated for no reason to the point when it just isnt worth it. Prefferably there is no time travel, if time travel exists it needs to have HEAVY restrictions. Something like Warcraft Void. It can see all possible timelines but it cannot interact with them nor can it see which one will happen in their reality so they have to guess.
It might just be a portal to Icatia the student walk thru. And the reason he is so much older when he comes back, is beacuse time goes so much slower in Zileans place
Lets hope that is the case
I think the tower is unbound in time, so it exists at mutiple points in time.
That's why they need the portal to access various points in time, to briefly synch with a point in time on icathia
is there any prove that people who are not time mages go trough the portal ? i mean it could be an easy fix is that the person going trough needs to control time to keep the portal stable. Thus basically stopping the character duping process.
There might also be an element of having to charge the portal with time magic involved.
Zilean in past: ''Very serious Chronokeeper''
Zilean now: ''Funny old guy''
in reverse
He was always FOXXY GRANDPA
Yeah you need to flip those around
It work tho..
@@codebracker oh my god is that a mothe*fu*king Crazy Boris reference
And, curiously enough², this stone is the exact same colour of the one Ekko uses. Assuming this kinda stone is found somewhere in shurima, and that the crystals used for hextech are found at the Shuriman border between it and piltover/zaun, either Ekko has a shard from the other side of shurima that ended up in zaun, or there are more of these elsewhere.
Edit: also I'm referring to shurima as the continent, or that half of it
if I remember correctly, ekkos crystal was one that jayce worked on (which ended in an explosion) - and I just checked in Jayces bio, the crystal was found by some people and was kinda recognized as something new (yet useless, because "the stone was stripped by its power"), so ekkos crystal being from around zileans place might not be that far fetched, maybe it was an "empty" one zilean discarded that still had a little rest left in its core or something
that might also explain why ekko can do his time shenanigans. If this is true, we might also get Ekko in the next expansion, i think
@@rapalyn8889 if I remember correctly his voice leaked a while ago? This was for sure true for irelia and Riven, yes even before Riven was announced her whole vo and part of other champ's vos were datamined, and irelia was part of this, same for ekko I think
@@rapalyn8889 Probably the next champion expansion or something. There is the Concurrent Timelines card which clearly shows Ekko's hands
@@rapalyn8889 we may gonna get ekko, pyke and xerath (or someone else since we only got the datamine and there's no related cards to Xerath yet) on early July. Lor already has a few of their spell cards ready. Ekko archtype seems very promising with those early revealed cards👀
in kahiris art he has that weapon from the new teased champion... could kahiri himself be the new champion?
Would love that but it very unlikely.
I am pretty sure it is gonna be a yordle but that might be the next one remember something vaguely in one of necrits videos where he says its gonna be a yordle
@@sjeppertje5462 Riot delayed the yordle, the new sentinel is the next champion
@@sspectre8217 ah mb
Let's talk about how wild rift might get damacian exclusive lux auntie champ...
"one being cannot be in one reality twice"
* Laughs in one for all *
Canon one4all made by zilean
D4C
@@Hifeco is that a motherfucking JoJo reference?!?!?!
Its time to hear papa Necrit's bedtime story again
Yess XDD
For sure, I totally fell asleep listening to this last night
It is 12:03 for me Rn so this is actually accurate
Lmao you made my day
I wish riot not let zilean summon 1000 seraphines just to bully skarner
Ur black
U can't have anything
@@lukasvavra2473 what
@@lukasvavra2473 huh
I think zilean can see all possibilities of time, yet can’t share them due to the consequences (butterfly effect)
So Dr. Strange in Infinity War :)
@@cameronhubbuck and endgame yes
@@cameronhubbuck what i am confused by why didnt he change the vision and make somebody like captain marvel snap because he knows what happens like he tells her to release b4 she gets power slapped so she can take over the stones tony would steal
What's stopping Zilean from bringing a bunch of Ornns? Well.... Riot.
Also the fact that ornn cant fit through the time donut
@@Lilybun ah yes. Of course. The time donut.
I dont think ornnn would appreciate being duplicated
@@BlaxeFrost-X Ornn does seem like the kind of guy that would hate having to interact with himself. Either that or he'd be under the belief that his double is the only other competent person in the world and barely tolerate him for that reason alone.
Could the next Sentinel of Light be one of the original ones, who happened to be frozen in time with Zilean?
People who were frozen with zilean are much likely to focus on fighting the void than the mist, maybe its someone zilean recruited later but idk what u would do with a time crystal hook
Zilean froze his tower in time before the ruination happend so that wuldn´t make any sense.
We're mentionning a street rat in the description of the new champ. Maybe he just found or had the weapon by luck, theft or heritage after the chronomancer who had it lost it or perished a long or short time before the present day, and had to deal with the mist to become a light sentinel, who knows
Your profile picture looks like it’s asking for a FBI arrest warrant !!!
@@jinhunterslay1638 well it's Zoe, so.. I feel commenting on a League of Legends channel with a League of Legends pfp is par for the course.
I really hope that in the Zilean Rework, we get him with his hair down instead of floating around him.
Hair Down = Dandy Old Man
Hair Floating = Hippy Grandpa
I want his ultimate to be ZILEAN UNLEASHED or something and our boy goes totally mental with time
true Zilean needs a new character model
Only time will say what will riot do about that
I want him to get the hair upwards when ulting
I think they should just make his hair white in game, because the blue looks pretty silly
It's funny because LOR always hinted that Zilean will be champion in card game. Remember challenges/tutorial, when you do wrong combiation or go to next part, has alot of simmilar effects that Zilean has.
So yeah i kinda think that Zilean is teaching you how to play this game XD
Also please visual update for zilean he need to finally have 5 fingers
Omg you’re right
YES he desperately needs VU
Specally that he already has in Legends of Runterra
Imagine a Flashpoint event happening and the cause is Zilean eradicated the Void before Icathia fell.
It's gonna be like a LOL universe reboot. But that would be years away from possibly happening.
i hope that never would be happen
Plot holey necrit would say
What's still funny to me it's the fact that if Zil's tower was frozen in time when Ne'zuk tried to use the Monolith that means that he watched the whole firework show from the ground
Void can also be immune to time since it is from place where there is no space or time. So that can be why he can’t find the timeline.
The thing with Khairi, I hope its more like him moving about our(their) timeline forward and back but not going into a different one.
You know the week will be good if you start off with a Necrit video
That's True:)
Nice
But it's Sunday
what the guy above said
@@turdanc not in my timezone, its already monday here
What if Icathia didn't summon the void from the void, but used time magic to bring the void from the future when the void has corrupted all of runeterra?
That'd be cool. Would further accentuate why even God Warriors couldn't win. Yet void creatures elsewhere in Runeterra can be defeated by people significantly weaker than Ascended such as the Morai or Fizz for example clapping void creatures on occasion.
Bruh khahiri looks so awesome coming out of the void I really want to see him as a champ
the scary thing is, there is no way only mortals use chronomancy
Ascendent chronomancy, this idea frightened me
Nasus is using Anthropomancy. He's making predictions with human ENTRAILS.
When you remember Karma has the same crystal on her forehead.
When this is recommended 8years later I will be proud to say I was a part of the days where the comments where mostly frech
Frech? All I see is English.
Frech drip
Oui Oui croissant
@Arita Akimichi maybe they meant fresh?
@@albertoHammyer no it's Frech. a type of spice
"Ye, let's use time-magic to fight a thing which constantly learns, adapts, and replicates. I'm sure nothing bad will happen."
Well if you rewind it, it will also unlearn stuff, which would be a way to stop it
@@codebracker I guess depends on how broken zil magic is, but I would guess void should be far superior.
@@LeaksHater Yes but the voidlings aren't made of void, they are creatures made by the void, so they aren't as powerful as the void
He's not using time magic to fight it, otherwise he would have probably just unmade it. He's using it to search for possible solutions. His clocklings are primed by him to do specific tasks but afaik not time-magicky themselves, but rather mechanical and powered like old clocks with gears and preloaded springs.
I bet that they won't duplicate people. There'll be a rule where you can't exist with yourself from a different timeline, or you'll get erased like Jojo part 7.
I feel like bringing random people over is a bit of a stretch right now. All we have seen is an established and powerful chronomancer go to a different timeline. I'm hoping riot sticks with that. Only those who have undergone years and years of training can even hope to move between times.
I hope so. Like, if you not strong enough in terms of chronomancy you just can like stuck between two timelines and basically die that's why only well-learned chronomancer could possibly do it (I hope they'll stick to it xd)
Its still a plothole if you have infinite time lines you would have random chronomancers popping into your time line for whatever reason and fuckint it up, or worse imagine having immortal beings like mordekaiser using this kind of magic, I don't like time magic in league at all
That Volibear Zilean reference though haha
EVERY TIME YOU SHOW THIS CLIP OF ZILEAN JUST FALLING FLAT ON THE GROUND I WHEEZE
Zilean went from the crackhead outside 7-11 at 3am to Doctor Strange
Lore Zilean is just the Doctor Strange scene from Infinity War
8:23 Mostly likely crossing timelines would be restricted to time mages, hence why Kahiri is sent and notice he mentioned he spent years preparing, in other words studying time magic, so it might be unlikely that Zilean could bring just anyone.
Still a plothole, if there are infinite time lines the chance of people appearing into your time lime from other time lines is 100%
Now i want to see an army of Volibear's tear apart the Void.
I would love to see Khahiri in LoL. Imagine every time he levels up his ult he steps in, then out, of a portal and ages up. Getting stronger similar to Kayle as the game goes on.
Rito, this man right here
I love ALL your videos about the LoR cards
10:48 why going straight to ''it's another reality'' when the _time_ wizard could have just made it a vision of _before_ it was destroyed.
1.It might be exsitential barier where u can move normal people but not godly/transistencial beings.
2.Also it might be that keeping person in his timeline requires some constant energy so he can only keep some amount of people.
3.Zilean might not be out he might be in space between timelines and he can take them in his buble but they can only come back to their timelines from there.
I love how they animated zilean to be on the floor when he removed the tower from time 🤣🤣
i love how auto-generated captions keep saying "zillion"
now im inclined to believe he's a "zillion" years old.
I hope they handle Zilean well, I've always had a soft spot for Zilean
I'm pretty sure they introduced this time concept so they could start killing off champions in stories and then have an excuse to revive them. You know peak dc and marvel comics stuff.
Maybe this is how one for all happens
i think that there will be some time singularity if you are with your past self on the same time line, kinda like Peabody and Sherman
Don't mess with time !
Khahiri is Teferi of Dominaria confirmed
I'm pretty sure Kahiri just exits the tower into our current timeline and explores the void. Also, I'm pretty sure zilean only traverses one time line, but can see into others.
Kahiri has a hook like in the teasers so can he be the next sentinel?
It could be a good boundary if they say you just can't go wherever you want to because the travel weakens the the "godlike" creatures, for an example if one of the ascended travels he/she maybe loses the ascension cuz in the other world he rejected by the ritual, or in the other worlds maybe Ornn is weak cuz he lost his followers and got forgotten, or just simply by the rules of nature you can't have more Volibear in your world than just 2-3 or the world starts to warp around itself. I think the boundary can be fear, the fear to "what happens" Zilian is caucious and reasonable so I think he will not going to do reckless things and if he thinks there is a hidden danger behind bringing every single champion a billion times to his world he will going to think out some "rule" to make that forbidden maybe they could add "weight" to a timeline and if there is too much "foregin" people in the world the timeline collapse on itself. Just don't throw this idea out yet. Riot is creative, I think they are able to pull something out from their back pocket to put a stop to the immense power! Hope you read this Necrit! I'm a very huge fan of you!
The Weight idea is sick. We could even add it to LoR and use Mana as a means to measure said Weight as an in-game gimmick. This would make whole lot of sense, like having two Sun Aspects causes solar physics to break down the same way Kratos killing Helios does. Comparatively having two Darius' does little damage and would fodder against the void anyways. I think the void is unrelated to time and space and so zilean cannot find a timeliness in which it is defeated, it instead shows up or doesn't.
My guess as to how they'll explain the time travel is one used in Dr. Who and a few other shows: that's is, you cannot go to a timeline you've already been in, and cannot occupy a timeline you already ARE in.
This would also explain why Zilean didn't just, you know, make a council of zileans to figure out the Void problem instead of pulling Mages from different timelines, or on the flipside, pull a near infinite number of a single promising student.
This plot point could also help in showing that Zilean may have a limited number of timelines to explore (even if it is in the trillions) as each one he goes into, he may not be able to visit that one again.
I'd imagine that each entity exists, not as two seperate entities within seperate timelines, but rather, an entity experiencing multiple time lines at the same time. And maybe only those who study chronomancy can isolate them from that effect, thus allowing travel between timelines?
Any lore and love for Zilean is always welcome. One of the OG champions with so much untapped potential. I really hope he receives an Ezreal like update where they enhance his visuals, he deserves 5 fingers!
This just makes me want a void region for legends of runeterra
i think the portal on the picture leads out of zileans tower to the remains of icathia. Thats how zilean got out of the tower and gathered mages from different times and because the time is frozen in the tower they doesnt get older. And some times they go out to the real world trought the portals to gather information and stay in contact with the clocklings, thats why in Zileans time it was a second that passed in that quote when Khahiri returned, he just travelled to valoran. Anyways this is just my oppinion. Great vids, keep it up:)
One thing necrit doesn't realise is that since Zilean can see multiple timelines he can literally refute any "plothole" with one phrase which is "It had to play out this way"
My theory on why Zilean doesn't just bring 20 ornns is because A) the risk of having even stronger darkin and B) Zilean doesn't know when the portal will open again. Something going through from their timeline might have no idea whether they'll actually return to that timeline and the ramifications of that.
Also 20 Ornns woudn't fit in the tower or trough the portal
God i LOVE that my hands down favorite league champ has gotten more lore and stuff. Hopefully Riot has everything planned out so that no plotholes happens
Zilean can live all times, but as Malzahar predicted, everything comes to an end.
"It's better to have hope for a potential victory, than to dwell on an uncertain defeat." I can totally see this being a quote for one of the chronomancer cards or a new champion
Seeing their goal to stop/delay the void are the same. I wonder if it's possible if Zilean and Lissandra have made any contact?
would be cool if zhonyas was zilean's best friend and "classmate" under the wing of the same master
Why did you jump to timelines ? By "different times", it could have just meant different periods of history
7:37
Khahiri has triple-blade hook strapped to his bags.
i think zilean fighting the void with thousands of volibears SOUNDS FUCKING HILARIOUS
1:00 why did I laugh at Zilean falling in one frame? What has my humour become?
Atleast it wasnt "Family guy dead body pose"
If Zilean can talk to other mages from other timelines, does that mean he can talk to Zileans from other timelines and create the council of Zileans? Something like council of Ricks.
Riot be imitating the endgame
Oh this champ died? Not to worry i ma bring him back
Literally
Zillean like this looks so fucking dope, i rly hope for updated visuals
Maybe only people who have an affinity for Time Magic and stuff can travel between different realities, which would make plot holes less likely to occur.
in my opinion icathia had to be destroyed for some reason and Zilean is gonna realise it over the time i think
Zilean: "How to Defeat the Void"
Me: Just call up Viego
It's about time zilean got more lore
i see what you did there
Not setting rules and boundaries with how your world uses time is like building a car without a break.
The Easiest ways that riot can deal with making sure that Chronomancy/time travel are a few things, but they need to tread carefully.
1: You can travel to the past, but you cannot change the past to change YOUR future (MCU version of time travel).
2: Time Travel works normally, if you save Icathia in the past you save it in the future. HOWEVER the problem could be that because it was destroyed by the void it is just erased. there is a hole in time where Icathia stood.
1 would be the best all-around but is unoriginal, it could also explain how the student was able to leave the main-line and come back older. HE changed but could not bring anyone back from that line or change anything that happened...then again the fact that he came back part void kinda makes this worse and ask more bad plot questions than good questions or anwsers.
2 would be neat, but this option is already ruined by the fact that we KNOW that they can see and partially interact with past Icathia. they could still do this, but then the problems start to rise of "why not just get 100 Kai'sa's to go and kill the void opening before it kills Icathia" problems.
speaking as a DM that has run a campaign that has timey-wimey crap as part of the main story, a writer needs to be as careful with time as any wise chronomancer should. or else big mistakes are bound to happen.
3:23 The color of this stone reminded me of Ekko and its mechanism of the same color
Notice that khahiri had the grapple thing from the champion teaser just without the glowy stone look. I don't know if this is just a detail but it's nice to see
If I was ever to visit Runeterra, I'd want Necrit as my tour guide.
There’s no plot hole (for now at least). Zilean can send people into other timelines FROM HIS TOWER, which exists OUTSIDE TIME. Doesn’t mean Zilean can (or wants to) pull someone from a timeline and drop them into another. As far as we know a person can visit a timeline and get back to the tower. Also it’s clear that Zilean is extremely careful with this kind of tampering. As such the idea that he could lure a thousand Volibears into the main timeline seems rather baseless.
7:36 Well we can see that Khahiri the Student has the same hook as the upcoming champion, but not made by the jade crystal
I want the chrono shift dance as his rework dance
I feel like the way his magic works you can send people to other timelines because those are timelines where people made other decision making different universes but runeterra is the only real timeline so you can send people to them but cant take people from them
4:36- No, he's obviously talking about death.
The simple idea of doppleganging would solve the problem. One clone saps the strength of the other unless one dies
He attack
He protect
But most importantly he make holes
The portal of Kahiris could be leading outside Zilean's tower where time is normal compared to the tower where time is frozen (or just really slowed).
Khahiri Really Looks like Kassadin, as he walks through portals into the Void that may not have the same flow of time or another timeline as said n the video.
Zilean opens his arms like prof. hulk: TIME TRAVEL!!!
So based on his cards, we can conclude now how intelligent Zilean is
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The thought of legions of Ornns and Volibears is just so funny actually. Imagine the banter between all of them.
The time manipulation mineral in the new champions hook makes sense now
Summoning duplicates from alternate timelines could meshed all-for-one cannon... Could also explain skins. Different skins are different versions from different timelines.
So, the card interactions with the returned student includes him seeing himself. Even if it's the one from the same time line seeing himself, that paradox still throws out the possibility of the "soul" exclusion you mentioned.
I think they want to do it like 1. Zilean isn't the one bringing them over they have to do soemthign first to first come over and 2. maybe when someone crosses a time dimension its like an ascension past time and all previous traces of them in timelines are gone
The three horseman of plot killers
1 - Time Travel
2 - Aliens
3 - Another Dimension
I thunk a good penalty for going into different timelines could be the wrath of the aspect of Time. We have the aspect of Protection, Twilight, the Sun, the Moon and of War so an aspect of Time and an aspect of Space are possible.
Khahiri has voicelines when you summon multiple returned.
I know because i use him with counterfeit copies and parade card thing.
Frozen in time may mean that the time just don't move from them, like no aging in the tower's terrain/realm
i feel that everytime a see a Necrit's video i fall in a rabbit hole, and then i suddenly find myself in the middle of the dawn seeing his videos
Time is a very complex thing, using it in fantasy world's can be fancy and all, but if you don't put right imagination and purpose and limits in place it becomes confusing and you might not know what to do next, so if you're planning to use time in your fantasy story be sure to keeps boundaries
In a sense Zilean kind of remind me of paul atreides in the frank herbert Dune novel.
Can see every possible future, but as everyone of them is not satisfying to him, he is trapped and has no escape.
Come on Zilean, with a thousand Aatroxes we might have a chance against the void.