2022 Triumph Tiger 1200 | In depth review on and off road
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What’s the story? Triumph’s flagship adventure bike is 100% revamped: more power, new engine, new frame, new suspension, less weight, bigger price tag.
But is it better than BMW’s R1250 GS?
BikeSocial road tester Simon Hargreaves rides the new range of GT Pro, GT Explorer, Rally Pro and Rally Explorer at the launch in Portugal.
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:24 Riding montage
01:09 Onboard riding commentary
01:56 Engine spec
02:45 T-plane crank description
04:04 Vibration
06:10 Power figures vs rivals
08.31 Frame, brakes, electronics, screen, semi-active suspension
10:22 Model differences and prices
12.20 20-litre tank v 30-litre tank
13.05 19" v 21" front wheels
13:59 Prices and specs (more)
15:09 Blind spot radar
16:06 Road handling
17:38 Shaft drive
18:42 Inspiring montage
19:53 Road riding verdict
24:20 Off-road riding montage
25:21 Overall verdict, road and off-road
39:54 Outtake 1 (riding like an idiot)
40:10 Feature matrix charts & rider mode settings
41:29 Outtake 2 (GoPro fail)
41:17 Outtake 3 (grinding footpegs)
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It doesn't matter whether you buy the Triumph, the KTM, the Ducati the GS etc, you haven't bought the wrong bike, you've bought the bike that you wanted. Most of the bikes in this category are pretty damn good, and each one will be better at something than one of the others. Having said that I've just taken delivery of a 1250 GS Rallye, and they really are the best.
Well said.
You're right. I'd have any of them but just happen to have a 1250.
Terrific review mate, thank you. Great to see the Rally Explorer ride, waiting on mine to arrive & it looks like I'll be more than happy.
Brilliant and comprehensive review. Many thanks. Think I want one now!
awesome honest review thanks Simon. ordered and collecting soon
Thanks a lot Simon, the best review I have see ❗❗
Another excellent review matey….just waiting for a test ride….
Best review I’ve seen 👍🏻 all the best
Really good review Simon , informative and fun 👍
Great Review Simon, i regularly tune in to your Bennetts reviews you give such great commentary when rocking those sweeping turns, A real talent mate' keep em coming, i have the 1290 SAS 2021 and am looking for a tourer as well and the Tiger GT may just do the job. for me Its all about the Bikes.
Thank you for navigating me through the myriad of options.. otherwise I'd be lost.
How wonderful to see Triumph sticking it to the competition.
Great review, thank you, Saint Simon.
It's a lot to get our heads around! I kept getting the names mixed up.
Good review. Very fair having ridden both the GS 1250, this, and owning a 2022 Tiger 900 Rally Pro.
A great balanced review, were you highlighted the major changes, which must make the bike more flickable, the challenge has always been competing against a bike with are copyrighted low centre of gravity, so kudos to Triumph for building a new bike based more on it's smaller sibling, and a obviously strong shaft drive that controls the power inputs the shaft better than before, but the BMW 1300,1350,1400,1450,1500 saga will continue.
Thanks for this excellent and comprehensive review... 👏👏👏👏
Excellent review - thank you!
Informative and in-depth review Simon. Nice job. I've been thinking of getting a "used" Multi Enduro for the 30ltr tank etc but I now might wait for these to arrive down here in OZ and take one for a squirt..
Have a nice day!
From the Land of OZ.
According to me that exhaust note is intoxicating , nice review and vid , thanks
Brilliant no BS review, thank Simon.
Triumph really doing well with this current range. Nice review Si.
Outstanding review. I do like those chunky mirror stems!
One of the best reviews I’ve seen. Would love a direct comparo of GSA and Rally Explorer driven side by side, although you answered quite a lot from memory - better to see both side by side especially for a lifetime bike. 👍🏽🏍
It's a boilerplate review, same as every other launch review from Portugal/Spain (where all the launches are). And it's the same as every other reviewer who was on that launch. All these reviews on launches are regurgitations of presentations the reviewers get the day before.
Great review mate!
Excellent review! My new favourite dream bike ,the rally explorer
Excellent comprehensive definitive intelligent as well as layman review, well done 👍✌️☮️✅
One of the clearest and most complete reaction ive seen on any bike, so clearly i'd subscribed......😳 😉
Great review as always Simon. I hope you do a big adventure group test soon…
So do I! Be great to back-to-back it with a GS/A, KTM 1290 SA and a Multi V4. Maybe the previous Tiger 12 too.
Nice. I have ordered one, Pay Deposit today, should receive it in June, I am in Hong Kong, and probably be 1 of if not the only Rally Rider here. so looking forward to showing it off.
Mine arrives in April - haven’t ridden it yet so thankfully all the reviews are excellent.
Never considered a GS but this one will sit well next to my Rocket TFC.
I am no fan boy, but if you haven’t tried a GS you will be surprised how good it is. It’s a 60K units a year sales model for a reason.
Not quite sure where to start with this ? ..
Beautiful review Simon. Watch those corners.
Thank you, and I will. That point was made to me quite forcibly :-)
GT Explorer for me!!!! Awesome review!
Hi Simon one of the few test riders out there that can put the Triumph Tiger 1200 through it.s paces. On road and off road . Cheers ..!!
Thanks Colin, but I really wouldn't say I can put a bike through its paces off-road! Definitely steady-away off-road - but as I say, I think that makes my opinion no less valid because confidence plays such an important part for the overwhelming majority of us off-road, I would say - especially on a £20k adventure bike.
WOW!
How time flies when your are old.
Only 3 weeks have past since I commented on this Triumph vlog, and I've gone a bought a 2017 R 1200 GS Rallye BMW in showroom condition and only 19k Klm on her.
Have a GREAT Day.
From the Land of OZ
Excellent on-board commentary
Thanks Nick! It's a 'mare :-)
Really fascinating review Simon, you are so engaging anf natural, thank you for honest, interesti g movie review!
Hi Simon…if you were to choose between tiger1200 and v4s for just Sunday early morning rides which one would you opt for (in a country where the climate is usually hot)
Great review as always mate …are you saying that the rally pro can be ridden as hard as GT pro in the corners on road?( I love the look of rally pro but iam primarily a road rider)
Love the new tft screen!
Your riding around the roads was amazing..
What a stunning looking bike! I have a 2017 1200 XRT, i love it. These new ones really do look the part, though i think my short legs aren't favorable for the rally versions! I am interested in the new T plane engine :-)
Getting a 2018 one for $15k
I’ve ordered the Tiger 900 which is more than enough for me (94bhp) god only knows what 150 bhp feels like on an adventure bike.
After test riding the rally pro I found the 21” front wheel a little ungainly but the brakes and comfort excellent. Glad I opted for the GT pro though..
Equally as good as a Gs, and in many ways, better. Now thats a bold thing to say knowing just how upset it will make some, I can see them spitting out their Starbucks. Will it outsell the Gs, probably not, snobbery will see to that, but I'm sure it will be a big seller for Triumph just like the 900. Just not too many I hope, part of why I've always loved the Tigers I've owned is when I park one up at a bike cafe there's not 10 others in the same carpark.
GS is as comman as Sheep..
@philipbateman7885 GS is a clitoris bike, every c***s got one!
I wish the 1200 had an option for something like what Yamaha did with their YCC-S shift by wire system. YCC-S is still manual shifting, but absolutely no clutch necessary, even down to a full stop--a bit more primitive than Honda's DCT but a bit more sophisticated than your typical quick shifter. With YCC-S, the ECU handles the all shifting mechanics whenever I select the + or - on the thumb switch or toe shifter. On my FJR, it can shift way faster than a human can manually clutch it, and it never misses a gear in a critical situation. I have found it to be the next best thing to Honda's DCT as far as eliminating clutch fatigue.
Amazing review of a very promising bike (my dream bike).
Watch out for portugese bridges tho, they come accross way faster than expected (without warning even)!
Indeed! The way the roads are laid out - the bend radii, the way they string complex S-bends together - is subtly different to Spanish roads. I find it easier to *read* roads in Spain and France than in Portugal - it's not that they do unexpected things, it's just they seem to *flow* into each other a bit differently. Hard to put my finger on it.
Works great, love it!
Great Video.
Really great review. Triumph's shaft looks like a real winner especially for continental japes. Can't quite see just how much more power/torque can be effectively used by the average fully loaded road and trail rider so not totally convinced by big numbers per se. All of these big bikes now seem to have varying degrees of excellent electronic suspension.
Someone needs to do a really thorough comparison of the big Dukes, Beemers, KTMs, Triumphs and ATs re maintenance costs, parts (OEM and aftermarket) availability and very importantly, reliability. Which of these behemoths would you feel most comfortable riding across seriously isolated regions? My money's on the Triumph or the Honda.
To my eyes, the new Rally's the most coherent looking big ADV on the market.
Great 👌😊 review 👍 thanks 🙂
Hi Simon, great review, I'm 6foot 6 and like you I like to push on now and again! Thinking Rally Pro for the size of me but concerned about 21 inch front wheel etc, you really think that the 21 is great for fast road riding? many thanks for all your reviews over the years, cheers Paul
What an excellent review in a no stones left unturned sort of format 👍 ten out of ten for actually letting us experience the grunt of this new engine and for giving us your vibe on its vibes. I watched Motobobs review, he wasn't even sat on the bike whilst giving it and music replaced any live sound, very disappointing in comparison.
Motobob has explained why he does that. For some reason people stop watching when he starts to ride the bikes and the channel was affected in a negative way. He started another channel to show the riding parts but people still don’t seem that interested in those parts of the review.
@@aunoates6617 But I think that if you can give an intelligent review of the bike vlog style while you are riding it, without talking crap OR accidentally riding into the scenery, you’ve cracked it. I have been consistently impressed with the way that a dinosaur print journo like Simon has adapted to this medium :-).
@@fat_biker I agree but unless you’re doing it in a skilled and exciting way, like Chris Northover, viewing seems to drop off.
@@aunoates6617 Funny how there are dozens of Moto vloggers out there doing just that and their channels are growing. TMF, LCR and TP1 to name a few.
@@aunoates6617 ‘Exciting’ on the road isn’t always big or clever.
I had a go of a Tiger 900 with T plane crank. In my opinion it sodded up it's triple engine. I much prefer 120 degree triples. With a 120 degree triple , vibrations don't have to be controlled.
Great review very nice bike lovely job
Great review as usual sir…how’s the quickshifter ?🙌
Very very good. Changes at a nice, positive rate, for me - not too abrupt or sudden, but not too lazy either. Never had a double tap or a missed shift, up or down.
@@writestuffmedia Thanks a ton…safe miles🙌🙌
What and excellent video and review,
Best review I have heard yet as it answers all my questions as I have ordered a new Rally Explorer supposed to be getting it in April and it’s replacing my Tiger 800 XCa and I love it and I believe it’s better than the 900 Gt I mean tho 800 is better than the 900 😂
Exactly the same boat here, previous bike and everything. Can't wait!
@@alextaylor5983 I don’t think we’ll be disappointed it can’t come quick enough 🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🏴🏴🏴🏴
I think the key thing here is NOT to assume that you’ll have more fun on the 1200 than the 800 Tiger !
I’ve owned four 1200 and 1250 GS’s … over the six years since I sold my F800GS. (The F800GS was more playful and a little more fun than the bigger bikes ! I really loved it )
@@maxflight777 I’m not expecting to have more fun but that would be nice I was just saying that when The Rally is being reviewed it’s always on it’s off road ability but it’s the first time it has shown it’s on road presence and it doesn’t scrap the pegs 😂 but still can’t wait to get it
Thanks for your nice presentation👍..finally a kardanl competition...love my boxer but this one is worth a test ride. Hopefully, for Triumph, the r1300gs won't be too good. Does this have an anti-dive function like the new KTM? Greetings from southern Germany
Hi Simon, really enjoyed this review! Triumph should be rightly proud of beating the GS in a number of areas... the problem is that they are beating a bike that was announced in 2018 and I suspect Triumph might not have very long in the sun before the rumoured 1300 boxers come around looking for a punch up!
I think they have about 12 months. My money is on BMW introducing a new GS (and RT) motor next year, to celebrate 100 years of the flat twin.
I also have a sneaky feeling they'll ditch the Telelever front end and go with forks.
@@writestuffmedia Until BMW gets really impressive and stops profiteering off of parts, I'll take the Tiger.
@@writestuffmedia I love the GS and telelever suspension, but I mostly use my ADV bike off-road, so I’ll stick with my lighter Tiger 900 Rally Pro.
@@writestuffmedia I feel like the telelever is what makes the big GS the big GS though...
@@craigfinnegan8534 although, I wouldn't say Truimph is an angel in the "price gouge for parts" department either.
Great review, as always Simon! What kind of mpg did you get? Did you get the opportunity to test it 2-up?
No chance for two-up, soz. I'm pretty sure I was on a launch recently where it was expressly forbidden for liability reasons - BMW's K1600 launch, I think.
Yes, I mention mpg in the written feature, not the video:
"As for economy, Triumph claim “up to 248 miles” from the 20-litre Pro and “up to 372 miles” from the 30-litre Explorer. That would be a fuel economy figure of 56.4mpg. Triumph’s spec says their tested fuel economy is 55.4mpg.
On the test ride we covered 176.2 miles at a trip measure of 41.5mpg on the Rally Explorer, with 109.4 miles remaining - 286 miles in total. The same distance left a GT Pro on the reserve light (assuming they were full when we set off in the morning; I checked the Rally Pro and it was brimmed).
It’s safe to say the Explorer will run over 300 miles, but 350 will take some restrained riding. The Pros will be looking for filling stations around the 160 to 180-mile mark."
So that would mean that the KTM 1290 and BMW 1250 are less thirsty? Wow didn’t expect that! My ‘20 1290 SAR did an incredible 61 mpg (4.6 liter at 100 km) when commuting.
Thanks Simon, loved that review. How crazy would it be to do a track day on the Tiger ( I guess really, I’m trying to asses the handling in relation to other sports tourers )?
I honestly think on the track, even at a modest pace, ground clearance on the GT models (900 and 1200) would be limited - they both drag the pegs fairly easily (but it's all relative - back off a fraction and you'll be fine). I got the pegs down on the Rally too - and with 20mm more ride height than the GT, it shows how low it is!
But in terms of handling, it'd be fine. I've seen lots of 800 and old 120p Tigers on track before.
I know Simon is a way more experienced rider than me
…. But my reaction to a tyre pressure warning would be to decelerate, roll to a safe place and stop (rather than squeezing the brakes ) !
Yes, I wouldn't *recommend* doing that - but it's rare to get a total blowout and instant deflation (at which point you wouldn't really need a TPS anyway!). It usually just signifies a slow puncture - but they're pretty rare in the front (never had one in 30+ years, etc) too, so the braking was just a little test to feel if there was any squirminess at the front.
But yes, your advice is definitely better!
Great review thanks Simon. I own a 2018 Tiger 1200 XCA - I'm undecided about upgrading to the new model.. is it worth it? I mainly ride on roads with the odd excursion off road. I love the triple and not so sure about the T-Plane change.
Great review as always Simon! Do the electronics all reset after switching of the engine? I.e heated grips / seat , engine modes, ect, ect?
Nope - not sure about the grips... I don't think they usually do. But certainly the electronics can be set up to remain as you leave them (apart from ABS - I would imagine that will be engaged from a safety point of view). Or you can also set them up to return to a default if you like.
Cheers pal.
Excellent review and observations. I did see on another review the peg scraping which was commented on. Given the height of the bike does it mean the pegs are really low or is it just a testament to how hard you can ride them?
Bit of both I reckon, but they're lower than most other adventure bikes.
Thank you Simon, a very thorough review!, remember you from the PB days!, haven’t ridden for 15 years, now considering one of these, could I put road tyres on the rally rims?
Hi Simon - I know you were comparing against the 1250 gs and the bottom.end grunt etc. But how does the torque at the bottom end stack up against the old 1200gs (I'm guessing a lot closer / similar / or even better?!) thanks.
Great review by the way!!!
Great review Simon. I know Triumph have clearly set there sights on beating the GS/GSA. But if you had to choose between GT Explorer or V4S for a mix of enthusiastic Sundays in the Peak District and 2 up road touring, which would get your vote?
I love the MS, it's completely barking and civilised at the same time. The only thing would put me off is the tank range - it's just not enough for me, personally. I want 200 miles minimum, riding like a loon.
Making the Pikes Peak is all very good, but I'd much rather have seen a Multistrada V4 S Adventure with a 30 litre tank.
The GT Explorer is good - I prefer a higher seat; at 870mm I was still a bit 'slumped' on it. And the motor can't live with the V4. And it hasn't got the ground clearance. but it *has* got a big tank.
Blimey, I'm glad I don't have the funds to have make the choice :-)
@@writestuffmedia I can live without the range as it’s good to be able to blame the need for fuel as the reason I need to get off every hour rather than my ageing bones 😂. I’m just under 6ft tall but with a long body and short legs so I ended up putting the MS on the lowest setting on a test ride. I have a V4S full on order but this is a once in a lifetime, Happy 50th birthday present to myself purchase and I really do prefer shaft so I almost waited for the Tiger to compare but in the end I got annoyed waiting for a bike that got unveiled at the NEC last November and decided by the time I get to ride it and order whichever one I’ll miss most of this summer before it turns up. Why do they leave such a big gap between reveal and real? And after riding the MS… it was just “wow, where do I sign”.
Excellent video, thanks for sharing your opinion on what is good and bad! I was wondering just handling wise, would you prefer a vs4 or the tiger 1200???
Thanks
Comparing the GSA with the Rally Explorer, which is easier to pick up? The boxer cylinders are noted for giving a better start angle.
Thanks from Downunder for an excellent and thoughtful review.
Just wanted to clarify the suspension thing: on the 2017-2018 s1000rr, once you adjust preload (which is manual) , you've to go through a calibration procedure on the side stand so the bike gets a new "zero point" of sorts. Bmw is a little cagey about what that does, but it does adjust the damping range/semi active behaviour according to the preload change it measures on the side stand. Pretty sophisticated stuff and with a fantastic range of adjustability.
That said this suspension, at least on the adjustability front, is leaps and bounds ahead of what bmw offers on the GS 1250, which is literally 2/3 modes for damping and an auto mode for preload. So, presumably similar functionality but a little pathetic on the adjustability features available to the user.
So to answer your question, no, damping characteristics changing according to a self adjusting preload is not entirely unique. I suppose ktm also has a similar algorithm, and the ohlins ec2 is on a different league altogether but for a totally different application.
@@greyanaroth Nice one, thank you for clarifying - yes, I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case on the latest round of more sophisticated semi-active systems; but I've not heard it mentioned it before.
@@writestuffmedia from what I understand, one should calibrate the semi active stuff post a preload change since, if you think back to "old school" Allen and flathead screw adjusters, you've to redo your damping post a preload change since the load transference completely changes. Usually, in real world scenario, you may have to add some rebound damping to account for the spring being more, ah, springy due to more load going through it.
And the semi active stuff is essentially motorized potentiometers adjust your damping as per whatever algorithm is programmed viz what the sensors are reading.
Had a KTM1290 and an older r1200GS. The bimmer was a tank with insufficient power .The KTM was not a good shifter without sw upgrade and was very vibby and abrupt at 6000 and above - power, but not fun power. Just purchased a Triumph 1200 GT explorer and hope this is powerful enough with an emphasis on comfort. Had many Harley's and you have spend $40k and then another $40k to make them go.
Great video, well done. One question and one conclusion. Question, they solve the heat issue from engine than the others tigers, especially the previous 1200. And the conclusion if you want to sell a bike and sell good, and you know that you are behind BMW, DUCATI, KTM maybe and Honda with AFRICA, you must lower the prices because some hundreds cheaper than the GS and all others can't help you.
It's interesting looking at the weights of these bikes. They are not as light as you have been saying.
Comparing my 2015 r1200gs to the gt pro which is 245kg wet my gs is only 238kg. The r1250 gs is 248kg so only 3kg difference there with 86cc extra capacity.
Excellent review, Triumph have made a great bike. We'll see what BMW come up with when they release the 1300gs. Over to you BMW.
Looks like a really good bike but since i am allergic to VIBRATIONS it might be what will keep me from switching my 1250GS for a Tiger. This is pretty much what every bike test rider says about it also so it seems like it could be very annoying.... And personally i prefer the higher Torque before the max power also...
Will do a test ride when i get the chance though..
Reckon one of these could be travelling round Scotland pretty soon 🙂
Hmmm....
(I've already asked Triumph if we can have one... for Mufga 😁)
A great review Simon, would i be tempted away from my 1200GS for one, maybe and I am thinking about it? I did attend a bike reveal on the new Tiger and I had mixed feelings about it. Some aspects of the looks I liked and some left me feeling a bit cold. Personally I dont think the fit and finish is the same standard as the GS but thats totally subjective and I am looking forward to riding it when they finally make an appearance in the dealership. BMWs have their well known foibles but by and large the support is very good and their new and approved used warranties are excellent. In general I dont feel the same way about Triumph although I have owned several and currently have a Thrux RS. With the increased complexity of the Triumph Tiger this what puts me off the most. Time will tell and I hope I am proved wrong.
lot less complexity on the gt.thats the one i shall get with centre stand and black alloy panniers , i had a 1200 mk2 explorer for three years and managed without hill hold etc.
Do the rally pro models come with hill hold control?
The vibes on the 900 motor were way too much for my arthritic shoulders. I went for the F900XR which I absolutely love. I am in my seventies though.
Is there any info re sat nav options, is it integrated, on an app or a separate unit. The bmw navigator is expensive but integrates well through the controls
It does the turn-by-turn nav thing (which is a bit rubbish) when connected to your phone - there's no integrated mapping sat nav on the clocks or control functionality with a third party sat nav (like Garmin etc). If that's important to you, it's a minus against the Triumph.
@Simon Hargreaves
Simon,
explaining the firing order of a t-plane is easy. How does a bass player count a three-quarter bar?
One, two, and, three.
Kind regards
😆👍
Looking forward to seeing one of these in the flesh having owned the 3rd gen version. 150 backtyre on a 1200 though ?
Great review, very informative. I'm 1.65m tall, and I fancy the GT Explorer because of its 850mm ride height, and 30l tank. What do you think?
Good review Simon, how does it compare against the other adventure bikes in the MPG stakes?
It's in the ball-park - they all vary a lot depending on riding style tbh - one rider can get over 50mpg, another nearer 40mpg. In the real world I never bother thinking about mpg as a rule, just how far I can get between fuel stops. That's why I like 30 litre tanks, too!
I did some fuel test on an R1250 GS when i came out a few years ago - got 55.5mpg riding sensibly. On another test with a 1250 GS A, when I was riding it with my brain out, it averaged 40.9mpg. A Ducati 1260 Enduro I had on test at the same time did 37mpg.
The Tiger was doing 41.5mpg on the launch, but that was also riding pretty hard. Triumph claim something like 55mpg, but I reckon 50 would be do-able with a bit of care.
@@writestuffmedia 👍👍👍
Cool, really wanted this bike.
Great review, will the GT Pro or GT Explorer be a slouch on light trails?
Not really built for it with 19in front, road tyres, 200mm suspension travel. I could do it, but stick more off-road tyres on it, it'd be better.
I always worry about the finish on Triumphs, I noticed a few quite young/low mileage bikes with poor corrosion on fasteners, swing arms etc. has this improved?
Thanks for this review. What about wind protection on the GT ? I am sensitive to that. I am disappointed by my Versys 1000 SE GT on that point.
In hindsight, it's not head and shoulders better (sorry about that) than a GS, as I recall (we'd need to compare them back-to-back to be sure). I'm not even sure it's much better than the previous Tiger - I think the screen is smaller (pretty sure the old bike, with an electric screen, was bigger).
I would definitely get a test ride to make sure you're ok with it. It's very subjective and everyone's different.
When I has my versys 1000 I had the same issue. A Givi Airflow screen completely fixed the problem. Only issue the screen isn't the best looking.
As a ex tiger owner 800...and presant bike vsrtom 1050 xt......can i say im feeling a wind of change in the air...reason every bike seems to be adv ....but lot of older shorter riders are looking for a sports or smaller lighter tourer bike 🤔🤔🤔🤔
True, there are a lot of sports tourers about now - Tracer 9 GT, GSX-S GT etc. And of course there's the Tiger 660, which I haven't ridden but would love to. I think there's a really good comparison ride with a Tracer 7 GT there...
Would you still go for the multi V4s, or has another ADV taken over ?
Hey Simon. Can you change ‘all’ riding modes on the fly ? Thanks for the review 🍻
Yes, although I have to say I find Triumph's 'pictogram' style for showing the mode, and its size (it's a bit small) isn't obvious. And I'm not fond of the joystick toggle system they use too - too near the indicators. When you have to look to see which button you're pressing, that's not good.
Awesome review.👍✌️
Thanks man.
Hi Simon, nice review as always - however, vibration and engine heat have been plagued the outgoing Tiger 1200. I wonder how these two compare. And, do you think it´s a trend to introduce vibration for producing a more racy, sportier feeling (which it doesn´t do to me at all btw) or is it purely a result of technical necessities due to EURO5? That no one mentioned any problems with vibrations is logical to me as there is a commercial interest not to upset a vendor of a bike with a review that clearly(!) brings up negatives. Stay safe
Using the T-plane crank to deliberately introduce 'vibration' - or character - was done entirely to add some traction to the Tigers off-road and give them a bit of engine feel on road. It's not a performance thing because it doesn't add performance, and it's not a Euro5 thing. Makes no difference to emissions (well, it does, because the Tiger runs less valve overlap than the Speed Triple, so it's actually cleaner - but that's not why Triumph did it).
I know Triumph are aware of the vibes as a potential issue - top gear is an overdrive to help keep the revs in a more manageable zone when cruising. But they're confident they won't be a problem for most (all?) riders.
@@writestuffmedia so all in all it has to be understood like the sound generator in some e-cars in order to give the sound & feel of a combustion engine and by that a better feeling of what the engine does? Cos how can vibrations generate traction? Stay safe
Enthusiastic Amateur - about my skill level! Excellent review though I think the 900 version a better fit for me with less weight and a more appropriate amount of power.
You didn't talk about the quickshifter; any good (compared to the GSA)?
Yes, better imo. The qshift on the BM is a bit slow and leisurely and the lever feels a bit mushy - the Triumph is quicker, more positive, and slicker. But not over-sensitive.
Am I a lost cause? Test rode a Tiger 1200 GT pro today and expected to be blown away. I've owned my ST 1050 for 12 years having decided I wanted one within 5 miles of trying a 2005 demo. My KTM adventure had the same effect and I've owned it for 4 years. Sadly the T1200 just seemed bland and didn't grab me. It was only when I rode part of the same route on the way home I realised the T1200 wasn't affected by the crappy road surface as the KTM was. But I enjoyed the lack of civility on the KTM. I have access to, and have ridden, another half dozen or so bikes where I got more physical feedback from each. Am I alone in missing feedback or is it a case of modern bikes are so polished I need to ride them more and be more nuanced to appreciate them? Next plan is a 1290 Test ride to see if that hits the spot can't see myself on a BMW GS but I want the seat comfort of the Sprint for miles and the engagement of the KTM 990. Any suggestions?
Beautiful cat 👀🏍 totally well done 💪👀💪👌 Greetings
What model has mag wheels and the 30 liter gas tank?
bonjour
excellent essai , c'est parfait , peux tu me dire si il y a vraiment une grosse différence sur route entre la rallye pro et la gt pro ?
merci
Pas de problème :-)
Le moteur et la puissance ont la même sensation car ils sont identiques, et le dash, screen et les switches sont tous les mêmes, donc non, pas une énorme différence.
Mais le châssis, la direction et l'ergonomie sont différents. La Rallye est grand et vous êtes assis haut, le GT est plus bas. La GT est la meilleure moto de route pure mais la Rallye est ma préférée.
Excusez mon français!
Appreciate the honesty regarding the bike being 'tweaked' for optimum offroad, as opposed to the real world, where you'd have a load of gear on the back, less than perfect tyres and pound signs in front of your eyes every time the front end feels like it's about to let go ;)
Truth! If I'd shelled out that kind of cash, no way would I take it off-road. Ténéré 700, on the other hand...
@@writestuffmedia Oh, like mine ;)
@@writestuffmedia Had the mobile tyre fitter round today fitting Dunlop TrailMax Missions to the T7 , and he's part ex-d his versys 1000 for the big tank 1200 explorer.
I'm borderline jealous, even though it's too big and heavy for what I do.
Cool co-incidence, eh. I told him I'd just watched your review, so he'll be watching it tonight all smug (June delivery tho, hahahahahaha)
Hi, Si. What are the valve check intervals?
Wasn't mentioned on the launch. I'll find out!
@@writestuffmedia Thanks, Si. P.s. Ash would still be proud of the work you're doing!
Nice review :)
I'm not seduced by the higher horse power of this and some bikes when it can only be achieved when revving the nuts off them, maybe because I've never been a sports bike fan (watch but don't ride); loads of torque is what does it for me so the GS is still ahead on the engine front for me (as is the KTM).
p.s. hasn't the GS (and maybe some of the KTMs) had self levelling suspension (rear) and auto preload for some time?
🔝spot on.
Absolutely bang on.....100% agree. I’ve bought this up a number of times. For a non race track bike having big power so high in the revs is just not the correct shape power curve for 95% of people. Give me monster torque between 4000rpm and 6000/7000rpm and this is where the 1250gs scores big time. Now I do understand about gearing etc of higher revving engines but the peak torque number is still less than the Gs anyway. That wave of torque that you ride, on high torque engines in bikes is soooo nice. Plus mostly you are going to be at illegal speeds before you even reach the peak power, so if you ride round mostly at or near the speed limit UK and are not at full throttle at 9000rpm in this case, what difference does 140/150......200bhp make. It’s just a number
Agreed. Both Triumph and Ducati don’t get this.
You're right but there are situations where that peak at higher revs would be ideal for an adventure tourer. Case in point, the western US. Distances are such that you can spend all day on the road and only see an occasional population center in the distance. Also, law enforcement tend to be few and far between. As far as I know, these days the LE you come across out west are much more interested in stopping drug couriers than speeders.
@@craigfinnegan8534 Surely long distances are all the more reason for a lower revving, more relaxed engine and ride...high speeds can still be achieved but without the revs.