New Triumph Tiger 1200 GT - 10 reasons why you may have to avoid it
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Here are 10 reasons why you may have to skip a 2022 Triumph Tiger 1200. I hope that since it's a fairly new bike that's overall a great proposition, Triumph will fix some of those or simply they won't matter to you. In the worst-case scenario some of them may turn out to be deal-breakers.
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I've test ridden it twice, it is an impressive bike. Hoping to get one in 2023.
Yea it’s a best of a machine. I went with the rally explorer model.
Yup, I can confirm that - brilliant engine!
I test rode a 2022 Ducati Multistrada v4s and the GT Explorer. I loved both bikes and would have been happy with either. It took me a week and 2 test rides to decide but the Tiger won in the end. Better dealer network, shaft drive, better brakes and a much longer range. I would still own a Multi though its fantastic
That's useful - thanks for sharing! All the best with your new Tiger 1200 then!
I think Triumph did a great job with this Tiger 1200. I like its own distintive character not as boring as the GS not as racing as the Multistrada.
Do you have any information on an, eventually, seizing problem ,of the exhaust flapper valve on the Tiger ? I bought a new 2017 model BMW R 1200 RT. The valve seizes every 20 000 km. Also starting problems, due to crap Bosch starter. Reason, why, my next bike, shall, definetely, not be a BMW. I consider the Tiger. Pleas advise. Philip de Belder, the Flanders.
I believe that it would be best to log into some kind of an owners forum and browse through the topics there. If this is a known thing and others have experienced it too, then likely there is some sort of review or recommendation there. That's what I would do.
4:45 I've seen a few examples where grit gets into the shield sliding mech and makes it a bit stiff. I haven't seen anyone else mention the dirt in face issue.
Depends on a helmet. Mine is a full-face one so not as tight down there. Could be the reason but this in my case was an issue on two separate bikes, different dates etc.
13:00 re flashing high beam. From the manual ....
"f the DRL switch is in the daytime running lights position, then press and hold the high beam button to turn the high beam on. It will remain on as long as the button is held in and will turn off as soon as the button is released."
So the button works as a flash if the daytime running lights are on. If the DRL is off then the button either turns high beam off or on - i.e. it is not a flash type button. I gather this is because you are not meant to have the DRL on when you are riding at night (according to the manual).
Great research! I'm pinning it to the top so that others can see. Good work and huge thanks for sharing and explaining this. Too much software and it can get confusing. I wouldn't really expect the switch to change its function depending on circumstances, so a very useful info.
I enjoyed your review of the Tiger 1200, I own a Gen 1 and tested the new bike and found it has less legroom. I am 197cm and the plastic vent for radiator airflow presses against my knees. The intersting thing is this issue only relates to the GT Pro, for some reason the Rally moulding for these vents is different and offers about 30cn more legroom. I wanted the 19 inch rim GT Pro and not the 21 inch of the Rally. I cannot understand why Triumph didn't keep the moulding and generous legroom for both models.
I managed to fix that leg room problem lowering back side of the seat. I am tall too and had same issues even with Rally Pro version.
@@windytravelers2034 How tall are you? Did you do something extra to lower thr seat or just adjust the front and rear bars?
How much extr legroom did this provide, by the way, thanks for responding. I had written to Triumph about this very issue and no response they don't seem worried about losing tall riders to the competition
That's a surprising observation. I'm almost 15 cm shorter and of course haven't noticed the difference in space for the knees because of that. I'd believe that @Windy Travelers' idea on taking a closer look at what to do with the seat, may be the right direction.
@@VToldsMotoShow Thanks for your reply and suggestion. I have tried everything without success. I am a die hard Triumph rider but the seating issue and now poor build quality has led me to a GS 1250. I checked 4 brand new Tigers and 2 bikes had bare wires exposed from thr wiring harness underneath the right hand controls. I spoke to the dealer and his answer was we can fix that before you take the bike. After comparing the wiring on my old Tiger to the new bike it's sub standard and not good enough for a $35,000 bike.
I am looking for a replacement to my old Triumph Trophy 1200 T312. I can ride it on motorways with no buffeting. I can ride it in rain and not get my legs wet. It keeps my hands dry. It is good for trips with luggage and passenger. My only issues are chain drive, carburettor maintenance, the weight, and nowhere to put a phone/satnav. What is there to replace it?
No carburettors on modern bikes, all electronic fuel injection systems now. Sounds like you may be want something Honda Goldwing or Harley style for full on wind/water protection? I rode the 1200 Rally Pro last year while my Tiger 800 was in for some warranty work, and didn't want to get off it! Wind protection wise, it's pretty much the same as my 800 (buffeting on top of my head, and shoulders), but oh, that engine sound! I would definitely take one out for an hour or so, see how you get on. Go for the GT version though, if you do lots of road miles.
@@PhatSimey Thank you for the reply. I have ridden a Harley (Road King) and whilst it was an amazing experience these cruiser type bikes are no good for small and twisty English roads and villages. Although I don't like the bulbous look of "adventure bikes" I would have probably bought a Triumph Trophy SE if they were still making them.
@@undercrackers56 Yep, know what you mean- I hope to take a Triumph Rocket out for a spin one day, it's one of those daft things that has to be done! Would never buy one though. Have you looked at the bigger BMW bikes, they make a good selection of touring type machines that suit our roads more? For me, adventure bikes just suit our crappy roads more these days, and I'm not really fussed about sport bikes any more either. Er, apart from maybe the BMW S1000RR if I had that sort of money to burn ;-)
Of course you can have blind spot detector at any tiger model , you just have to order an explorer model and add to the order a 20 liter fuel tank plus the side panels that fit to the 20 liter tank. So you will buy one bike but with the additional accesories you will end with two
There are too many other differences between the Pro models and the Explorer models for that to be a good way to go, Senor Varadero. It would only result in 2 fuel tank choices at huge expense, and it's not like you could swap them back and forth easily. Of course, just putting 5 gals of fuel in the 8 gal tank would be an option, just don't tell Tom Cruise you're doing it. You might lose his respect.
You didn't understand that i was joking , but never mind. There are no other differences to the models , but the tanks the side panels and that the forks are sitting 1-1,5 cm upper from the top fork plate in order to be lower the gt models. though , think , if i was serius , by the fact that tiger has a 18 (not 17) intce rear wheel for all tha models, with extras the tank , the side panels and a 21 intce front wheel , a cost lets say 2.000 euros plus the price different 7.000 euros , 9.000 euros at total i would in did had a second bike
@@hondavaradero9009 I thought you might have been joking, that's why I mentioned Tom Cruise (who's always good for a laugh, especially when he's trying to be serious. It's when he starts joking that I get serious about his mental state).
I'm not sure about how different the GT and Explorer models are. On one video I heard the GT feels like it looks - more sporty than the Explorer. As for the 5 gal tank, I just look at the fact that you can put 5 gals in an 8 gal tank but not vice-versa. I think of that as an adjustable fuel tank.
The only thing I don't really like about the Tiger 1200 range are those cheap looking marmalade pot brake and clutch fluid reservoirs, much prefer the more subtle looking aluminium ones. Same sort of issue with muck coming up through the slot in the windscreen too, going to experiment with some mesh in it to keep the airflow, but reduce the crud.
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On heavy adventure bikes you use more rear brake to stop forks diving , practice more !
Thanks for the advice, I'll focus on using the rear brake to not cause the front suspension to dive. Very well - a long way ahead...
Agree - the radar being available only with the large tank is seriously dumb. It just encourages me to wait to try a GS 2023 model.
Yeah, I find it even arrogant up to some point. Especially that it's an entirely safety feature so from a PR perspective it doesn't look good for Triumph.
@@VToldsMotoShow Yep, surely the safety aspect is more relevant to road, not off-road, riders, who will mostly be want the smaller tank. Go figure.
@@VToldsMotoShow Triumph want to differentiate the models a bit more than just the tank.
Hi V, I am your fans from China, looking for a bigger bike for my upgrade from 500cc adv.
After watching your video, I took test rides on tiger 1200 gt pro and tiger 900 series. Both 1200gt pro and 900 rally pro attract me a lot!
I will mainly use the bike for commuting and ≤1000km travel(highway, road, some gravel, no jumps...), taking my wife on the back. I am very impressed by the enormous power of 1200. The shaft drive and electronic-suspension of 1200 are great. However, I found that 1200 has more vibration than 900, and it does not look much more expensive than 900.... 900 is also very good and looks cool with the spoke wheel and golden shocks., while its off-road performance is much more than my capability. I can ignore their price difference, can you suggest which one is better for my usage?
THX!!!
Hi, you mentioned most of the points that I'd likely raise. So 1200 having more power and that great suspension. It should be more comfortable overall but the 900 is not bad there either. But since you're mentioning mostly "highway and road" use, also riding with your back, I'd consider the more powerful bike for you to feel that extra margin there when under load. 900 is totally fine for solo riding but I guess (here I only guess as I don't ride with a pillion) riding two-up may change that feeling in the long run. On the other hand and about that vibration - you're not the only one noticing it. Tolerating this will be personal. I haven't been annoyed on the 1200 because of that while on some bikes vibration is unbearable to me.
Generally since you're considering it this way, it means that you'd be totally fine with the 900 and save money with no real regrets. If price is not the case at all though, I'd go for a 1200. It's a bit of my ego talking but well... It also matters.
@@VToldsMotoShow Thanks V! Great suggestions! I finally chose tiger1200! But I will consider changing for 900rp when I feel like to do some offroad in the future!
I found a new rallye pro 1200 for 12000 Dollas, no fees. Should I buy it ?
Some really good deals on the previous model (2023), so a very good buy if you want one! I rode the Rally Pro last weekend, and although it was amazing, it's just a bit too tall to be an everyday bike. I can flat foot it, but it still feels a little intimidating. Also, how many people can (and would) ride like the pros doing jumps and extreme off-road on such an expensive machine? I'm looking at the 1200 GT Pro now, as would suit me better as an every day bike. Cheaper too!
I own a Trophy SE and the only complaint about the engine is it’s loud as hell compared to anything else. It is very agricultural in nature along with the transmission is very loud when shifting. I think the new bike looks great it’s what the market is asking for…so it’s what Triumph is building. Pretty easy to tell the 900 and 1200 apart just look at the rear wheel chain verses Shaft Drive. The BMW GS is way more expensive in Canada anyways 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Thanks for the review. What is this suspicious wobble @ 3:56 ? Looks pretty scary 😬
It was just the rear tire slipping on the exit when adding a lot of throttle. It's a gently behavior caused by me.
Need help here folks what touring bike is best for a pillion passenger thanks
You may also want to check BMW R1250RT (yes, RT, not GS) if you're considering passenger's comfort. Otherwise it looks like there will be a tour around motorcycle dealerships waiting for you and the said passenger to sit and test.
Definitely a good looking bike, but doesn't have much character indeed. I like bikes that look a bit more quirky and unique, like the Desert X for example.
The desert X looks beautiful. Of course it’s a Ducati. Love Ducati’s.
Oh, DesertX is definitely something else indeed.
Really hate the front light on the newer 1200. Wish they'd go back to the 2015 type style.
It's the one thing that puts me if buying it.
Looks like they nicked it off a Harley Davidson.
On looks, I agree with V-Told exactly. The new Tiger 1200 is a great looking bike, but I find myself hoping that in a couple of years, when I'm ready to buy one, Triumph will have added a touch of bad boy to the conservative design. Yes, the duckbill needs to get toned down. Also, the fuel tank needs to be sexier. How about semi-fake intake ports that feed extra airflow to the split radiator? Nothing obtrusive like on Yamaha's MT-10, but something a little edgy? Headlights - the Africa Twin is currently setting the cool standard, while KTM's look too weird. Give us a pair of adventurer's eyes, Triumph.
I made a drive test today.
Overall great bike but as you discovered, the front brake is really really strange. I almost dropped it at low speed in the parking. For me this is the deal breaker.
It is also too tall for me.
I believe that this brake is possible to get used to, just... strange as you said.
@@VToldsMotoShow
Yes, too bad because overall the bike is really good.
Off Topic: have you ever tried a Yamaha FJR1300? :)
I’ve got one and still watched 😂
Some valid points, and as a previous GS owner both bikes do a few things quite differently.
I just ended up finding the beemer boringly good 😴
I admit: I like & love it like that - boringly good. I gonna stick to it!
I drove one the other day, my short comment would be that it’s a great bike, if there was a good Chinese knock off of the BMW GS I think this would be it. Almost as good but not a GS!☺️
What's a "good" Chinese knock-off?
Is that like a friendly serial killer?
I own the GT Pro and agree on the looks. It's just ok.
For me, maybe the old 1200 was the most beautiful bike you can buy. I keep trying to find tests which say that it is a wonderful bike to buy. ;) I keep doubting whether a newer versys 1000 or the old tiger 1200 (sec hand) would do for me. I have just rented a gs1250 in mallorca and it hasn't impressed me in other aspects than the torque and lightness feeling. I have a much smoother versys 1000 2015 with the same mileage as the rental bike. Maybe the rental bike had a worn clutch, but it had no slip zone. My wife heard bad words many times manoeuvring in low speed. And the gear box ... Slow and very noisy. A pity with that (noisy) mighty engine. Really, today I believe less in youtube's tests than last week. Or maybe I am underestimating the adaptation process time. But I rode the gs two days some 400-500 km in different roads...
I'd be curious to learn if the issue at low speed manoeuvring were caused by the clutch or stability of the GS. You have mentioned the clutch and I may confirm that along with the boxer engine, it can cause some misunderstandings. There are plenty of people who stall these bikes and land flat on the ground - I've seen that myself and I've also stalled a GS and RT several times when setting off which doesn't happen to me usually on other bikes. So yes, this can happen and you might've not liked that. What's great about it is handling, feeling of lightness - as you've described it - and eagerness to turn along with amazing brakes enhanced by the front anti-dive Telelever suspension which I find brilliant and fun. Tiger 1200 exceeds in almost everything related to the engine when comparing to the GS. But in all other aspects except for seat comfort and exhaust sound, I'd give it to the GS. I hope that this helps.
@@VToldsMotoShow 👍
I have to agree with you on the looks. In my opinion the 1200 is much better than the 900 - they did a great job on the rest of the bike, but I had to walk away from the 900 even though it did everything I needed it to - only because the front end looks like someone punched it's face in. Looking at the new Africa Twin.
The livery on the GT is a bit boring as well. You can pay extra for the blue or get black or white. I don't mind the white but the blue is uninspiring. I do like the Triumph green Rally version though.
Oh yes, exactly - I love that green with white frame. Looks totally badass to me!
I love the look of the previous generation tiger 1200 then this one.
To me it feels like that one had a bit more visual "fire" in its design.
How about this.
1. Keyless FOB on an adventure bike which can ride through all kinds of countries is questionable.
2. T plan crank removes smoothness from the engine.
Pretty much all other criticism of this bike are nitpicks.
I don't understand the problem with keyless as related to places you're riding in. On the smoothness, I can understand your preference but personally I find smooth boring - I can get all the smoothness I need at home!
Yeah, I also think that stealing a bike may require a bit of planning so passing through some random places at random times shouldn't be especially dangerous with a keyless system I believe.
9:30 I'd have thought the fact that it looks smaller than it would be a good thing? 10% heavier but 50% more power. No one on the street is going to put the 900 next to the 1200 and compare them.
Right, right, the point is that they're looking in a very similar way to each other. It like with many current cars from Audi, Mercedes or Volvo for example - hard to tell which one is which and while that's great for those getting the cheaper models, the ones spending more on the more exclusive ones may not necessarily like it. Same feeling here for me.
The previous generation not only looked better, but sounds better…IMO…
I purchased a New Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer and so far I love it 🐅 I got over 1k miles on it and took it on a few trips so far. Even dropped it once. Check out the channel 👍🏼
I got one too! I love the bike. Much more fun to ride than a GS and the seat, the best seat I ever had on a bike! And it looks good, big and beautiful. The GS is boring, have a bad seat and is to heavy.
@@jonasmanny3726 I agree the stock seat is insanely comfortable. I also have the low seat my inseam is 29 inches so I needed it. The low seat is very nice as well just not as much padding as the OE. The stock seat will be the one I chose to go on trips with.
Another minus would be that premium octane fuel is recommended rather than standard octane.
Now a hint from me: in Europe there's basically only what you might be referring to as "premium". So yeah, may be applicable in the US.
Test drove one today. In every way a perfect bike except for one major issue;
It’s engine is agricultural at best. Lots of mechanical noises and very very bad vibrations. Vibration galore in the 3K - 5.5K range. Unacceptable
I agree that this engine does have a noisy valve train, but I've got over 2800 miles on my 2023 Tiger GT Pro and I don't really notice much vibration at all. And I've been ridding Goldwings for 40 years.
In February 2024 I bought my New 2023 tiger1200gt Explorer for $16,000 US dollars. That made it the best trail on the market 🤣😂😂
Yes it is the best in its class at this moment. The GS killer.
Oh, I guess we could analyze it in a more thorough way in a direct comparison. That's going to be the next task for me then!
You joking 🤣
Stimpy face all with the large lips included 🤣 Disclaimer: I just bought the Explorer today, so is not criticism but just for fun 😉
I cannot get my foot on de peg on 900, so no, not same size, the 900 one is the little brother in all ways.
With DLR engaged you have high flash. If you switch to low lights, it is a toggle switch, not a flash one. Not difficult to use.
Everybody compares BMW GS with everything, but I think nowadays is reliability the key and the last years BMW is progressively keeping short on that regard.
Since I'm aiming for the Rally Explorer, until you brought it up in this video I didn't realize how snobbish it is for Triumph to only add blind spot radar for the Explorer models. In fact, Triumph isn't linking the decision to the size of the fuel tanks, but to the size of the price. Indirectly they're saying your life is worth more if you spend a few thousand dollars/euros more. Then again, it serves you inferior peasants right if you can only afford a Pro model (that last line sponsored by the Triumph Motorcycle Corporation).
@@expatbiker6598 I've thought of that. It reminds me of people overly-reliant on GPS not being able to give directions in their own hometown without it. But speaking for myself, I'm the type of rider who's paranoid enough to check my blindspot even with radar assist. I'm also like every rider by sometimes needing to pay attention to a problem up ahead without knowing whether it's safe to change lanes or not. I think it's at those crucial moments that radar assist would really make everyone of us safer.
Blindspot monitoring makes you less skilled
Every manufacturer puts the best options on the most expensive bikes car manufacturers do the same thing.
@@RyanJohnson-ft6qi only if you use it as a substitute for checking your blindspot yourself. If it helps you just once to prevent an accident, it’s more than worth it. Everyone makes mistakes.
@@RyanJohnson-ft6qi only if you use it as a substitute for checking your blindspot yourself. If it helps you just once to prevent an accident, it’s more than worth it. Everyone makes mistakes.
While everyone is a different seated height, everyone's head is going to be in a different place relative to the windshield, every ADV bike I've had the pleasure to sample has had badly designed windshields. The wind buffeting and noise is unacceptable, unless you like hearing loss, lots of fatigue, and generally enjoy very loud obnoxious noise.
This is a strange reality as indeed most bikes don't provide a really comfortable experience in terms of wind protection. On the other hand, they've got to make the money on the accessories, hence taller and shorter windshields.
@@VToldsMotoShow I'm not a aerodynamics expert by any means, but even I could design a windscreen better than most of what I see on these kinds of bikes. The height isn't necessary the issue, it's the shape, primarily how the air is released from the edges that makes such a turbulent racket.
I like the Triumph, however, to have the extra bits heated seats and a few other extras or buy the GT Pro, like all the big bikes in this category ,bikes in general are ABSOLUTELY CRAZEY PRiCES , out of the reach Many Riders 😢, PCP isn't for everyone,
Right, that's why it pays off to wait and get a preowned one.
People would prefer 1200 over 900 basically because of the shaft drive.
Very possible - and I say that shaft drive is a more advanced solution than chain. Much more comfortable everyday, so I do get that perspective.
For me Tigers line of triumph motorcycles is the best looking on the market Italian motorcycles look to delicate German motorcycles to BFF.
I would buy one but the vibs would put me of;-)
That would be one of the last points on my list that would be preventing me from getting this Tiger if I were to put them in order from the biggest obstacle to the smallest. I don't think the vibrations are that terrible here, really ;)
Sounds terrible. I really don’t like it’s tendency to stall with low speed maneuvering off-road. Wind pro suck too which makes it a bad LD touring bike.
The main reason it kept stalling at low speeds off-road is that V-Told wasn't used to that throttle. As with different weight distribution from a previous bike, the different throttle just takes some adjusting to by the rider and the problem will mostly be gone. If I could eventually ride in dirt easily on a Yamaha FJ-09 with it's notoriously snatchy throttle, then you can get used to any throttle at all.
17:00 I'd think being able to say it's NOT a BMW is a good thing. The GS is as common as muck lol.. It's like pulling up with just another Harley at the biker bar. Boring. Not saying the GS doesn't deserve to be the most popular though.
Sure, I'd also say so - mentioned in the video with the opposite perspective. If you like the style but don't want to follow the crowd or just don't like the idea of BMW, then this is the closest thing. And I'm not saying "the next best thing", but just the closest.
Honestly I prefer my previous 2019 xrx over my new GT . Has better seats and handling imo. Hope I can get used to it soon
Superduke GT please.
I'd love to try this one. After riding 1290 Super Adventure S, now the Super Duke GT is my #1 bike to chase and try. I managed to sit on one and it felt very good. Couldn't ride it though as it was some client's bike that was being serviced at some dealership while I was there. But I'll for sure hunt the GT!
please create telegram channel where u publish all soft
A great looking bike! One man’s meat and all that! 🤪
Haha yes it’s a beast of a machine Ben
Most new bikes are so ugly they look like they came out of a transformer movie. I rarely wash my bike as it is, I wouldn't want to wash all the nooks and crannies on that thing.
Not a patch on a GS if the truth be known 😂
These motorcycles are getting very expensive,A goldwing costs similar to a C class Benz
Right, while cars are suddenly all becoming premium vehicles with cheap brands trying to sell their crappy vehicles for the same prices as truly premium brands. I wonder where this is heading.
Szkoda, że po angielsku nie znam tego języka a widzę polska rejstarcje wystarczylo mówić po polsku i dać napisy po angielsku i wszyscy byliby zadowoleni.
TH-cam ma funkcję automatycznego tłumaczenia z angielskiego na polski w ustawieniach filmu. Nie mam pewności jak dobre jest to tłumaczenie, ale być może warto spróbować? Mój angielski nie jest mocno techniczny, więc spodziewałbym się, że tłumaczenie może być nawet niezłe.
@@VToldsMotoShow Właśnie zrobiłem tak jak mówiłeś niestety napisów w tłumaczeniu filmu nie ma języka polskiego ☹️
Scrambler 1200 from Triumph has way more character and style.. these type of adventure bikes are so boring and all look too futuristic and will go out of date in a few years
But it's less comfy for long rides…
Not a single ADV bike on the market focuses on character and style. Thats why the ADV bike is a thing, they prioritize practicality
@@NicePantsLance Try the 2022-2023 Moto Guzzi V85TT which has retro style, shaft drive, 6 gallon fuel tank, and the character of the classic transverse mounted air cooled engine.
Who cares.. I cannot afford and it's a dream.. I may just be able to afford benelli trk which is exceeding my expectations..lol
Dufy duck
It's just sooooo boring. I've seen examples where fit and finish felt cheap. Bad welds, low cost plastic buttons, etc. Have you seen examples of that?
How does the Africa Twin compare if you were to pick one? Thank you for your review.
I couldn’t find an African twin anywhere. They go fast. But I love my rally explorer.
@@jesseonamotorcycle I wonder how the Africa Twin handles heavier cargo loads compared to the Tiger 1200. I've heard they feel more top-heavy than the Tiger, and the Tiger feels more top-heavy than the GS.
@@craigfinnegan8534 hmm not to sure. But the tech on the tiger is what sold me over the Africa Twin also it not being available anywhere around me lol
I think the triumph 900 range is competitive. The 1200 had a chance to go above and beyond and I feel like they tried to catch the GS and stopped when they got close instead of pushing further ahead.
The Africa Twin might be worth the wait, but that itch is real
I haven't noticed anything that would strike me as cheap, really. I recently got on a Rally Explorer version and I've had the same impressions as for its quality just with an exception of the blind spot monitoring system that uses lights in mirrors that look and likely are cheap. This makes them basically useless as one can barely even notice them. That's a real pity as the idea of the whole system is brilliant while because of this I felt it was useless. And they could've copied the fantastic implementation of that in Ducati Multistrada V4.
I personally would take the Triumph. Maybe if I were to offroad, I'd go for the Africa. But if I were truly to do so, I'd choose a bike like Yamaha Tenere 700, Ducati DesertX or Aprilia Tuareg. Or simply a KTM Super Adventure R - most likely actually as all these bikes are too large and heavy for offroad use in my opinion.
Yes, not good looking
seat too hard for longer journeys.