Quick Tip: Edit a Baked Normal Map in Substance Painter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.พ. 2018
- Substance Painter Quick Tip--
When you bake normal maps in Substance Painter, you can easily add a new layer with some normal map details, however editing the baked normal map directly can be tricky. This quick guide shows you how to modify the actual baked normal map.
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I can't believe this is still pretty much the only way to do it.
You're a saviour man, and you did it in less than 30 mins like everyone else. GJ
That's the goal with my videos. Got tired of watching a video for an hour for one technique that can be done in a few minutes.
Thank you!! Was about to waste time trying to paint my artifacts out in blender like some kind of a chump. Quality of life improved!!🙏
Here we are in 2021 and this still is the way haha. Thx much! I was about to pull out my hair in PS to fix some simple normal artifacts :)
Glad I could help! Thanks for watching!
Still works in 2023 haha
Thank you so much, really didn't want my sculpt to be wasted. Cheers!
Many thanks for this video! Was exactly what I was looking for. To the point and clear instructions.
No problem! Glad it helped out!
never thought this would fix my problem, thank you so much for the tips
Thank you! Exactly what I was looking for.
Sad there isn't better methods put into substance for this but regardless this video is a life saver for me. Thank you!
oh my gosh ive been trying different youtube tutorials about this but i always failed somehow, this is the one that actually works for me thanks for the video !
This is awesome! Nice tip
MAN !!! thank you so much. helpful afffff
tHANKS ALOT REISH.. Your tutorial helped me finish my last character
That's great! Thanks for watching, glad it helped out.
Thanx for this great tutorial. I was bumping into the same problem and didn't understand why. Some people told me to add more geometry to my low-poly mesh. It did solved the problem for me but duplicated the poly count. Your solution is way better. :)
Thanks for watching! Glad it helped
U can have 3 levels of meshes, u can UV ur lowpoly mesh, then add some extra geo to it and bake with those edges that might follow the surface of the highpoly better. then remove them and return the bake to ur low poly.
thank you, really a lifesaver
So good mate, well done.
Thanks!
thx bro this helped me alot
God bless you, I was facing this problem for a long while....thanks!
Thanks for this mate, definitely helped me out!
Awesome, glad to hear
Great tip thanks
this video is godsend thank you so much
Thank you so much for this!
No problem!
You are a goddamn life saver. This has been plaguing me for months. Subbed and liked!
Thanks for checking it out, I'm glad it helped!
Thanks so much! Very helpful
No problem! Thanks for watching!
This is very useful thank you! I would recommend just adding a white mask to the normal map fill layer instead of making a whole new layer
OMG MAN!!!You are the BEST!!!!
Thanks! Glad it helped
You save my time!! thanks!!!!
Good Tips. Thanks! :)
No problem, hope it helped out!
Man you awesome!
THANKS SO MUCH FOR THIS!!!!
Not a problem, glad it helped!
Thank you Ben. You save my ass today. I start to baking human face today from high to low poly. And I solve the issue thanks to you.
No problem, Glad it helped!
Thank you so much!!!
Much appreciated. I was so confused lmao
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Thank you!!! your video gave me a brain blast!!
Thank you !
Thanks man!
No problem!
Thank you so much i just have the same problem with ao maps i will try this way.
You saved my life!
Awesome, thanks for watching & glad it helped!
Very nice. TY
Very helpful in 2o22! Thanks man!
Thanks for watching!
Fortunately, this did work for me
If you don't see any difference when you paint, try clicking the normal option in the menu instead of base color and THERE change the fill and paint layers from nmdt to norm
cheers lad
"I know it's the normal map because when I turn it off it looks normal." But I thought you just turned it off? Hahahahahaha. I'll be here all week.
Haha, okay you got me! Thanks for watching lol.
yeah I was wondering this.
Lifesaver!
Thanks for watching!
Awesome music, short tutorial, top stuff
Thanks for checking it out! Hope it helped.
Thank you for this, really helped out. It's a shame there isn't a more organic way to handle this!
Glad it helped! Maybe one day there will be...
yup, this solved my issue, i could just kiss you.
this is useful for if you don't have access to the high poly for whatever reason, but you have a set of normals that were baked already and want to fit them to alternate versions of a low poly you do have access to.
2023 and still working!
You probably have a seam on that edge. When exporting, you have to use smooth groups. all your model`s edges must be set to smooth, and all seam edges must be set to hard.
Thank you, I will test that out.
This procedure does work. However when I apply the texture to a layer it creates visible seams along my character's mesh.
Yes same! It looks good as a baked mesh map, but putting it into a Fill Layer makes seams visible.
Thanks bro
No problem, hope it helps!
Thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks bro
No problem! Glad it helped
Thanks!
No problem. Thanks for watching!
Sorry very new to Substance. After you pain in the normals how do you use those two layers to bring it back onto the model?
for some reason if I deleted the baked normals from the texture set settings then put the normals on a layer, it looked awful, like the light wasn't working correctly. But if I did the same process but didn't delete anything, it looked fine. in case anyone had that problem. I was just trying to get bad normal information off a UV island, ended up using a fill layer. For whatever god forsaken reason the layer has to be set to normal mixing mode, but the parent folder can be set to normal detail and work fine.
Thankyou, I was manually doing this in photoshop. Which, though I feel I have more control, I still cant see the complete model so it was a real chore.
I agree, Photoshop is much easier. Thanks for watching, glad it helped out!
NOT A QUICK TIP BUT A GOD TIP.
Thanks for watching!
so how do i use the edited map as textured baked map ?
Ok, I've followed along but could you show how to export it out? bring it back in?
just make your changes then file export textures, make a cong just for exporting a normal, export it and replace it to old version normal from your texture set settings. hope its clear
But when discard map from baking, the generators wont work, right? Cuz it has nothing to generate it from since its only layer
at last i find the program i need i was looking for a program you can mack other textur map for without convert the exists image image i wont to paint my normal map and height no to convert my exists images
i still can't get it to work...? I followed every step but the brushstrokes I make on the paint layer just don't appear on top of the baked normal layer
Yes!
Unfortunately, this did not work for me
me neither
u have to click on base and turns its normal to zero
What are those ands in the beginning
It's half working for me.
I don't understand why, but while using the map in a fill layer, I have weird artifacts at the border of my UVs islands. I don't have any problem while set directly in the texture set settings.
EDIT: Just found out what was the problem. I have my scene set in OpenGL, but the layer was set in Direct3D. So you need to switch the color space of the layer.
thank you so much i had the same problem
Hey can u tell where i can i check for layer whether it is OGL or D3D and set it according to the scene option.
@@shiv3375 Where you put your normal map in the fill layer, on the right you have a cross to remove the map, or an arrow to extend the options, you have a section "Bitmap: Auto", just switch it to OpenGL or Direct3D.
@@Cuissedemouche Thanks a lot.
Ben you da man.
Thanks for watching!
i did all the steps but i cant see a result. Just when i chance the normal color, but that didnt looks right.
While this does 'work', it's very hard to fix the problem and draw the normals in how they should be. This is just putting a bandaid on the problem. Imo your time is better spent just going through the steps to do a proper bake that doesn't have artifacts. These artifacts are usually the result of a few things: a bad low poly. Bad uvs. Improper max frontal/rear distance, which can be solved with fiddling with them or making a manual cage. Soft/hard edges where they shouldn't be (on low poly, usually all edges should be soft except for the UV borders). Geometry smashing into other geometry (do an exploded bake or use the naming conventions for separate meshes). Remember to freeze transforms and delete history before exporting! Baking can be tricky but if you read up on how to do it properly, you won't need to fix normal map issues like this.
Agreed 100%
Painting over the normal map did not replace the underlying artifacts for me, it just "overlays" the new paint on top of the artifacts instead of opaquely covering it up. Layer modes are set to normal, replace does not work either. Substance 2019.
Having same issue
for some reason after following the steps on the tutorial substance is showing the uvs seams really clearly
i love you
Thanks for watching!
It doesn't work, if I switch from combine mode to replace mode my normal map disappears so I can't paint on it
I will come back here
I am back
i was loosing faith in my skills been rebaking for a week and finally realize its sp and not my skills :)
Haha keep up the good work!
0:48 I see what you did there.
One question, why do people retopo objects that will not be animated?
There could be a few reasons - for one, lower poly counts (for games and things like that). Some people may retopo just for practice. Sometimes bad topology will affect the surface of a model and make it look bad also.
Reishi Mushroom Studios alright that seems like a logical explanation, thank you !
For optimise rendering time,it calculate polycount
Less lag in applications not optimized for high poly counts, faster renders, much easier and better UV mapping
Oh my god really ? It doesn't work well because the brush color is different from the swatch...
Nope, Didn't work for me. I painted over the NM just fine, and got rid of the anomalies, but the high detailed sculpted areas were also deleted even though they were nowhere near the same place on the NM. Had to re-jig the geometry in my materials, import the new mesh and bake new normal maps... I'm sure it would work for some situations.
Yeah. Honestly the best solution is to do exactly what you did.
0:14 aAaAaaaaanD
very weird way, i wasn't able to figure this out without the manual
I had to consult the manual also. I do wish there was an easier way.
@@bshukrallah yep i watched your video because i thought that i missed something, like "such straight forward thing mustn't be so frustrating"
@@Grom84 sorry I'll try to revisit this in the future, and hopefully make it better!
@@bshukrallah no it's not your fault) it was designed this way
u don't need to do anything of dat sort name ur parts acc problem is ur normal value from different mesh r projecting just name them properly for both low n high poly
ty for the tip but please turn off this music !!!
Hi! All of my newer videos are improved in that regard. Thanks for watching! Glad it helped!
@@bshukrallah using this tip right now ;)
Music?
Hi it's Black Heat, by Ross Bugden. You can TH-cam it I believe. Thanks for checking out the video and sorry for the late reply!
sounds like xxxtentacion
Lol holy shit thought I was the only one!!
I find it easier to just fix it in photoshop
1:22
You explain a little bit complex but still, it works for me. thank you. just advise make a step before making a video and just follow it. appreciate
This is cool , but Baking in substance aint that good, Use Toolbag then inport instead of quick fixing stuff that is clearly broken.
That's a kind of weird way to "fix" edges. What's the purpose of using a normal map if you are just simply erasing the details... In some cases it is helpful, but particularly in your video using this method is the worst way to fix edges, even if you are gonna paint it super carefully to keep edges smooth, then that's gonna take a lot of time if your model is more complex. In my opinion, the best way to fix that kind of edge is just simply editing your low poly to match the high poly silhouette. Or edit your high poly, depends on what seems easier to edit. Anyway thanks for the tip, for sure it is helpful! 👍
Sorry I missed this! I absolutely agree, the best method to bake the normal maps correctly in the first place :)
You should spend a bit more time doing a proper baking than fixing a bad baking by hand O.o
1:40, I cant believe you spent 10 sec trying to delete a layer
Sorry about that! I'll edit better next time. Hope you found some value in the technique anyway!
@@bshukrallah lol it's fine, this was helpful. Good find!
@@snakebebop awesome! Thanks for watching!
Hand painting normal maps is literally the worst idea ever. Either learn how to bake it properly or at least blend between two bakes. Painting them by hand is a big no-no!
John K. Why is such a no-no? If you have small artifacts and you know what you are doing, why not?
Also how do you blend between two bakes?
One more, what if you don’t have the high poly model? (This is my main issue)
That`s an oxymoron. If you know what you are doing, you don´t paint normal maps.
Each tangent space color is a specific angle in in relation to the underlying geometry. You are effectively painting relative directions. Whatever you perceive as correct when painting is 100% wrong when looked at from a mathematical angle. It is very easy to do more damage than good that way.
If mismatched rays are the problem, you can do two separate bakes and simply blend them photoshop (or similar) using masks. That way you keep the tangent space intact and don´t pick colors at random.
If you don`t have a high poly model than it really depends on what you are trying to achieve. Most likely you`ll end up with a hacky method though.
Totally get what you are saying, and you are right that it is totally guessing when trying to change them by hand.
What I’m saying is that sometimes you have to break rules to move forward...sometimes a person can get something to the “good enough” with these methods., where if they left it, it would be an eye sore and they have no other recourse since they don’t have the high poly model.
I see little issues, even with AAA games....even they have to say that something is “good enough” at some point.
I seen people introduce massive issues into AAA games by trying to fix poor baking results with hand painting normal maps. Look at the result in the video, the "fix" looks worse than the initial problem.
youre as dumb as you sound ,he just showed a tehnique and its quite a viable one not to mention it saves quite alot of time if youre missing the highpoly model ,some people are just stupid
You sound really nervous, dude.
Thank you so much!
No problem! Glad it helped!