Another review which talks about non-existing gearbox :) 2 electric motors are: 1st for driving wheels, 2nd for generating current, so they both don't power wheels. Copy paste from my other comment. Powertrain system is based on same idea as in eg. Jazz, but it's more powerful one and newly developed. This car has NO GEARBOX in any shape. It's all simulated and extra faked in SPORT mode buy special unit which can't be turned off (but can be disconnected by 10min DIY). "Gears" in this car is a modulation of the current which powers electric motor. It's basically an electric car, which most of the time is driven by quite powerful electric motor. Only at specific scenarios (calm, steady ride at 70-140Km/h) system can switch to direct drive by petrol engine (through simple clutch, aka. 6th gear). Any acceleration, hill etc and you back to hybrid mode where electric motor powers wheels and petrol engine just powers generator and battery. In case of any sudden need for extra power system will use generator (so also petrol engine) + stored battery power. This car never uses both engines (electric+petrol) at the same time to drive wheels! It's fundamentally different system to Toyota's. Whole idea is based on fact that petrol engine is mostly disconnected from wheels and can operate at optimal conditions close to maximum engine efficiency (2-3K RPM). Any surplus of energy is stored in battery for later use. This is key secret of this drive system. Typical petrol car operates at relatively low efficiency which changes through the drive and about never reaches optimal value. Here petrol engine, is most of the time, close to its optimal working point, so petrol usage is relatively low (recuperated energy helps further). System is so clever, that when you drive steadily on petrol engine directly and battery gets full, it will switch petrol engine off and instead of wasting new energy it will drive purely from energy stored in battery (even if we drive eg. 120Km/h). Once battery discharges (not close to 0 , but to safe value to prolong its life) petrol engine turns itself on and whole cycle repeats. Petrol engine never slows or speeds too much as this would mean leaving optimal working condition (and burning even 2x more fuel). Instead we either store extra energy in battery or take it from battery (surplus of energy stored earlier or from recuperation). Plain simple at the end. Even recuperation works efficiently as wheels are connected directly with powerful electric motor (no gearbox). Extra good news is that petrol engine is never stressed too much, but operates steadily around its optimal conditions. Thanks to all of this Honda offers warranty up to 300K km as there is not much to break (electric motors are rather reliable parts). We will see how it translates to real life.
The battery is v small 1.05 kWh... I have no idea how long this battery will last as in continuous charge and discharge states? Appreciate your opinion in this matter.
@@jaz4280 All hybrids have small batteries as this is all what is needed. They are not electric or plugin cars. Manufactures are aware that battery will be charged/discharged constantly. It's designed to handle it. Eventually it will of course die as any battery :) Look at current Toyota etc. models and guesstimate (take into account that Lithium batteries last longer). I would say first 8-10 years (unless you drive 30K a year) you should be fine. Later no idea. Honda's system is designed in way that looks after this small battery. Internet says it's 8-15 years. By the time battery may be a problem its price should be down to maybe 1K$, so it's not that crazy expensive anymore. Rest of the car has 300K km warranty in Europe, so battery replacement may be absolutely worth it if car itself is in good shape. If you take into account that you have less costs of every year maintenance for other parts (engine, brakes, no gearbox at all) I don't think it's bigger worry than in "normal" cars (specially turbo ones). The difference is that high cost may hit you at once instead of been spread over years. I'm not an expert, so at the end it's your decision :) Electric motors and battery are covered by 5 years/100K km guarantee, so not that crazy much, but something. There are many reports from USA that some hit even 300K+ miles without battery change on older Hondas/Toyotas.
it's beautiful, absolutely beautiful, they did a great job, the civic, accord both respectively copied the Audi A5 and A7 Sportback/Fastback but it looks spectacular
Love the interior and the way it drives ! I think overall it's a way better car than a Mazda 3, Corolla , Kia Ceed, Golf , even a base 1 series or Audi A3. Ordered Sport trim in blue...now i have to wait almost one year for it to arrive 😢
I was lucky enough to find a sport model for sale with 5k km used just by the dealership here in italy and i bought it without a second thought. The problem here in the UE is that Honda heavlily underestimated the selling power of this car, so they were not able to fulfill all the orders it got. Therefore they had to close the order list for almost 6 months, making the waitlists go further and further, not speaking about the 3 thousands euros price increment on every model. If you want a new civic hev now, do not expect to have it in your hands before january/february
Amazing that Honda USA haven’t been given this model whilst Toyota is flooding the market with options. Going to have no choice but to switch brands when my lease is up early 2023. The dealers are throwing up their hands. My guy said "nothing surprise us anymore".
@@adamek9750 In what regard exactly? This Civic is killing it in Europe, getting more mpg than Toyota's own estimate of what the new Prius will get. I like them both on the outside, but Toyota just couldn't keep their past Prius design away from the new one with its overly done futuristic bullshit. The steering wheel is one of the ugliest creating in the the automotive history.
We have the exact opposite ‘problem’ here in Australia. Here you can get your Civic with either the 1.5 litre turbo or the 2.0 litre e:HEV, but only as a hatchback, which suits me. But Toyota Australia have recently dropped the Prius from sale and will not be selling the new stunning Prius available in Japan and the US. Go figure.
At the beginning and during your summing up where are you? there are a lot of palm trees in the background doesn't look like England very good review by the way, I have just bought one and agree with everything you have said and yes it's a lot quicker than Honda's claim.
I drove it, it's impressive... but how long is it going to last? All this tech is a lack of pure value if over the 'life expectancy' it doesn't offer real years of ownership and real cost effective mileage. Any fool can pay double the amount per operating month for the same car and turn it in within three years! Despite all that it is, which is impressive, does it also offer the possibility of being A KEEPER?
What would you pick between this civic hybrid or the new, redesigned, Toyota prius? I an deciding between the 2023 civic hybrid (when it gets to the US), 2023 Accord Hybrid, and 2023 Toyota Prius
I made a video looking at the new Prius at the LA Auto Show but until I drive it I can't tell you which is better however the Civic is available now and the Prius is sometime next year so it depends on the timescale for getting a new car right now.
If it was down to looks, I'd go with the Prius - it's bolder and more modernistic, whereas the Civic is quite safe and deliberately inoffensive. However, firstly I'm quite sure the Civic will be nicer to drive, in terms of handling and transmission; and secondly, I live in Europe, and we're only getting a plug-in hybrid Prius, which is no good if, like me, you don't have the option of having a charge point at home. The Accord isn't even being sold on the European market anymore - the Civic has "grown up" so much, that it has simply usurped the Accord. I've been a Honda driver for 2 decades now, and it looks like I will remain so. Toyota dropped the ball by not offering a self-charging version here.
And somehow its just as fast, if not faster 0-60 than the 201hp civic si, and still gets good fuel economy even when driving hard, car of the year contender right year
Engine Maximum Power (kW at rpm) 105kW @ 6000 kW at rpm Engine Maximum Power ( ps at rpm) 143 @ 6000 ps at rpm Engine Maximum Torque (NM at rpm) 186@4500 Nm at rpm Electric Motor Max Power(kW [PS]) 135 (184) kW (ps) Electric Motor Max Torque (Nm) 315 Nm 0 → 62 mph (seconds) 8.1 seconds Max Speed (mph) 111 mph
I have the top trim here in the US. Hybrids not available now or I may have gotten one. But did you say the car is due to be replaced in about 4 years time? Is that normal for the UK? the average loan is 5 and some go 6 up to 7. I personally buy the top trims and keep them as long as possible. At least 10 years.
Thank you for your video. My question is what is the torque of the 2.0 petrol engine, I mean only that engine without the support of electric one...? Thx.
Great question however as only hybrid is available where I am I didn’t drive it. I would recommend checking it on the Honda site however I’m sure it will be more than enough.
I'm thinking in highways ramps where the electric engine if off because the battery is empty, if the petrol engine would be able to mantain cruiser speed. Thank you again. We'll see 😉
Hi I have one of these hybrids and it seems that the ice engine , electric motors and battery are sized such that to drain the battery completely you’d need to floor it up hill and hold it at top speed. In any other situation you’d lift off before the battery drains and the engine would be on and recharging way before you lift off. That’s how it feels to me. I had similar questions including why doesn’t it have “double power” if they work together. It doesn’t max power (bhp) is electric motor.
@@robedwards6926 civic hatchback already has comparable interior and trunk space to a crossover, a crossover wont drive as great and there's way too many of them already and they're more expensive for no reason, that said honda is already making a zrv hybrid which is going to be exactly that and with awd but it'll most probably be slower with same powertrain and weight because honda also tunes their SUVs different, they like older style suvs which drive like they're really big and with slow steering ratios
That toaster flapjack display is a fail. Needs to be addressed before the 2024. Insufficient glass and visibility. Seating position too low. Is this supposed to be a kids' ghetto wagon or something?
have you even been inside the car? it has the best front visibity and its being praised by many reviewers on how much glass it has like an old classic car, the rear visibility is not as great as an old car but still better than most and the seating position is perfect, unless youve only ever sat in crossovers and new cars. The interior looks minimalistic but still has all the knobs and buttons unlike many others who removed them to make the their interior more modern and the screen works great and is made to look like an old crt tv with the volume knobs and control buttons to the right, the exterior is also like older cars hondas when they didnt style their cars much and many of them still look good
It's vastly better looking than the previous Civic. It looks more mature, more stylish - and that dashboard is beautiful..... possibly the best dashboard layout design out there per se right now. This car is the real deal. It's nothing at all like the mess that was the previous generation. Honda is playing Audi at their own game - and winning.
Is this the future of Hybrids?
Another review which talks about non-existing gearbox :)
2 electric motors are: 1st for driving wheels, 2nd for generating current, so they both don't power wheels.
Copy paste from my other comment.
Powertrain system is based on same idea as in eg. Jazz, but it's more powerful one and newly developed.
This car has NO GEARBOX in any shape.
It's all simulated and extra faked in SPORT mode buy special unit which can't be turned off (but can be disconnected by 10min DIY). "Gears" in this car is a modulation of the current which powers electric motor.
It's basically an electric car, which most of the time is driven by quite powerful electric motor. Only at specific scenarios (calm, steady ride at 70-140Km/h) system can switch to direct drive by petrol engine (through simple clutch, aka. 6th gear). Any acceleration, hill etc and you back to hybrid mode where electric motor powers wheels and petrol engine just powers generator and battery. In case of any sudden need for extra power system will use generator (so also petrol engine) + stored battery power.
This car never uses both engines (electric+petrol) at the same time to drive wheels! It's fundamentally different system to Toyota's.
Whole idea is based on fact that petrol engine is mostly disconnected from wheels and can operate at optimal conditions close to maximum engine efficiency (2-3K RPM). Any surplus of energy is stored in battery for later use. This is key secret of this drive system. Typical petrol car operates at relatively low efficiency which changes through the drive and about never reaches optimal value. Here petrol engine, is most of the time, close to its optimal working point, so petrol usage is relatively low (recuperated energy helps further). System is so clever, that when you drive steadily on petrol engine directly and battery gets full, it will switch petrol engine off and instead of wasting new energy it will drive purely from energy stored in battery (even if we drive eg. 120Km/h). Once battery discharges (not close to 0 , but to safe value to prolong its life) petrol engine turns itself on and whole cycle repeats. Petrol engine never slows or speeds too much as this would mean leaving optimal working condition (and burning even 2x more fuel). Instead we either store extra energy in battery or take it from battery (surplus of energy stored earlier or from recuperation). Plain simple at the end. Even recuperation works efficiently as wheels are connected directly with powerful electric motor (no gearbox). Extra good news is that petrol engine is never stressed too much, but operates steadily around its optimal conditions. Thanks to all of this Honda offers warranty up to 300K km as there is not much to break (electric motors are rather reliable parts). We will see how it translates to real life.
That is a fantastic explanation! Thank you.
The battery is v small 1.05 kWh... I have no idea how long this battery will last as in continuous charge and discharge states? Appreciate your opinion in this matter.
@@jaz4280 All hybrids have small batteries as this is all what is needed. They are not electric or plugin cars. Manufactures are aware that battery will be charged/discharged constantly. It's designed to handle it. Eventually it will of course die as any battery :)
Look at current Toyota etc. models and guesstimate (take into account that Lithium batteries last longer). I would say first 8-10 years (unless you drive 30K a year) you should be fine. Later no idea.
Honda's system is designed in way that looks after this small battery.
Internet says it's 8-15 years.
By the time battery may be a problem its price should be down to maybe 1K$, so it's not that crazy expensive anymore. Rest of the car has 300K km warranty in Europe, so battery replacement may be absolutely worth it if car itself is in good shape.
If you take into account that you have less costs of every year maintenance for other parts (engine, brakes, no gearbox at all) I don't think it's bigger worry than in "normal" cars (specially turbo ones). The difference is that high cost may hit you at once instead of been spread over years.
I'm not an expert, so at the end it's your decision :)
Electric motors and battery are covered by 5 years/100K km guarantee, so not that crazy much, but something.
There are many reports from USA that some hit even 300K+ miles without battery change on older Hondas/Toyotas.
it's beautiful, absolutely beautiful, they did a great job, the civic, accord both respectively copied the Audi A5 and A7 Sportback/Fastback but it looks spectacular
Got mine (sonic grey Elegance) 2 months now, best civic ever
How is the stereo quality on elegance trim? And how are the fabric seats and materials holding up ?
Have ordered the Advance in blue. Very impressed with ride, comfort and performance. Well kitted out as well, this coming from a present FK8 owner.
Good choice!
@@TechInTheCar 👍
Love the interior and the way it drives ! I think overall it's a way better car than a Mazda 3, Corolla , Kia Ceed, Golf , even a base 1 series or Audi A3. Ordered Sport trim in blue...now i have to wait almost one year for it to arrive 😢
Fingers crossed it arrives sooner!
One year wait! Is that in the UK? I only ask because I'm seriously considering the car myself but don't want to wait a year for it.
@@robertmcbride1859 No, it's in Romania, Honda is not very popular here and factory orders take a very long time to arrive
Better than any Audi or BMW.
I was lucky enough to find a sport model for sale with 5k km used just by the dealership here in italy and i bought it without a second thought. The problem here in the UE is that Honda heavlily underestimated the selling power of this car, so they were not able to fulfill all the orders it got. Therefore they had to close the order list for almost 6 months, making the waitlists go further and further, not speaking about the 3 thousands euros price increment on every model. If you want a new civic hev now, do not expect to have it in your hands before january/february
Pick my one up 16th December blue advance can’t wait
Unfortunately i have to wait till March for my Advance in blue.
Amazing that Honda USA haven’t been given this model whilst Toyota is flooding the market with options. Going to have no choice but to switch brands when my lease is up early 2023. The dealers are throwing up their hands. My guy said "nothing surprise us anymore".
Unfortunately this is very common, even in Europe where cars are announced in Germany that don't come to the UK where I am.
The usa gets the new prius, thats even better
@@adamek9750 In what regard exactly? This Civic is killing it in Europe, getting more mpg than Toyota's own estimate of what the new Prius will get. I like them both on the outside, but Toyota just couldn't keep their past Prius design away from the new one with its overly done futuristic bullshit. The steering wheel is one of the ugliest creating in the the automotive history.
We have the exact opposite ‘problem’ here in Australia. Here you can get your Civic with either the 1.5 litre turbo or the 2.0 litre e:HEV, but only as a hatchback, which suits me. But Toyota Australia have recently dropped the Prius from sale and will not be selling the new stunning Prius available in Japan and the US. Go figure.
This civic will be available in NA on 2024
At the beginning and during your summing up where are you? there are a lot of palm trees in the background doesn't look like England very good review by the way, I have just bought one and agree with everything you have said and yes it's a lot quicker than Honda's claim.
Thanks! That location just has palm trees but it is definitely England and no where tropical.
Certainly looked like abroad didn't it, thanks for the reply.@@TechInTheCar
Nice review. Car looks great.
Thanks!
The most boot space in this sector of the market? Not quite: the Civic has 44 litres, the Skoda Octavia hybrid has 450 litres.
I drove it, it's impressive... but how long is it going to last? All this tech is a lack of pure value if over the 'life expectancy' it doesn't offer real years of ownership and real cost effective mileage. Any fool can pay double the amount per operating month for the same car and turn it in within three years! Despite all that it is, which is impressive, does it also offer the possibility of being A KEEPER?
What would you pick between this civic hybrid or the new, redesigned, Toyota prius?
I an deciding between the 2023 civic hybrid (when it gets to the US), 2023 Accord Hybrid, and 2023 Toyota Prius
I made a video looking at the new Prius at the LA Auto Show but until I drive it I can't tell you which is better however the Civic is available now and the Prius is sometime next year so it depends on the timescale for getting a new car right now.
If it was down to looks, I'd go with the Prius - it's bolder and more modernistic, whereas the Civic is quite safe and deliberately inoffensive. However, firstly I'm quite sure the Civic will be nicer to drive, in terms of handling and transmission; and secondly, I live in Europe, and we're only getting a plug-in hybrid Prius, which is no good if, like me, you don't have the option of having a charge point at home. The Accord isn't even being sold on the European market anymore - the Civic has "grown up" so much, that it has simply usurped the Accord.
I've been a Honda driver for 2 decades now, and it looks like I will remain so. Toyota dropped the ball by not offering a self-charging version here.
Lucky people if you get one, 7th of Feb 23 order cancelled by dealer, try again in March 2024 no thx. Toyota got my hard earned.
It has 184bhp not 130bhp👍🏼 good review
The eHRV, with the 1.5 engine has 131 bhp, that’s where the confusion probably lies.
And somehow its just as fast, if not faster 0-60 than the 201hp civic si, and still gets good fuel economy even when driving hard, car of the year contender right year
@@richardsmith579 yes not a big mistake really, just thought I’d point it out👌🏻
Good review
Thanks!
How much horse power? Is it a mistake?
Engine Maximum Power (kW at rpm) 105kW @ 6000 kW at rpm
Engine Maximum Power ( ps at rpm) 143 @ 6000 ps at rpm
Engine Maximum Torque (NM at rpm) 186@4500 Nm at rpm
Electric Motor Max Power(kW [PS]) 135 (184) kW (ps)
Electric Motor Max Torque (Nm) 315 Nm
0 → 62 mph (seconds) 8.1 seconds
Max Speed (mph) 111 mph
I have the top trim here in the US. Hybrids not available now or I may have gotten one. But did you say the car is due to be replaced in about 4 years time? Is that normal for the UK? the average loan is 5 and some go 6 up to 7. I personally buy the top trims and keep them as long as possible. At least 10 years.
Cars generally get updated every 4 years. It might be a minor upgrade or a big one but as long as you’re happy with your car it shouldn’t matter.
@@TechInTheCar Think I took it as people only kept the cars 4 years. Yes the car gets updated about 4 years.
Thank you for your video. My question is what is the torque of the 2.0 petrol engine, I mean only that engine without the support of electric one...? Thx.
Great question however as only hybrid is available where I am I didn’t drive it. I would recommend checking it on the Honda site however I’m sure it will be more than enough.
I'm thinking in highways ramps where the electric engine if off because the battery is empty, if the petrol engine would be able to mantain cruiser speed. Thank you again. We'll see 😉
I found the answer: 129 Foot-Pound = 174.90052 Newton-Meter.
Hi I have one of these hybrids and it seems that the ice engine , electric motors and battery are sized such that to drain the battery completely you’d need to floor it up hill and hold it at top speed. In any other situation you’d lift off before the battery drains and the engine would be on and recharging way before you lift off. That’s how it feels to me. I had similar questions including why doesn’t it have “double power” if they work together. It doesn’t max power (bhp) is electric motor.
Does it come with a spare tire?
Not in the trim I had.
No. There is no spare tyre.
At 5 minutes 40 seconds you say this car puts out 130 something Horsepower..... NO it doesnt, go read your press pack properly, puts out 181 HP.
Thanks for the feedback. Errors slip into videos from time to time.
Good catch. If it was as slow as the Corolla hybrid, it's a deal breaker. Waiting for it to come to the US.
Merci de parler France
It would be an extremely useful review if you could drive 60 miles to confirm the MPG claim.
I did and it gave me over 50 MPG.
Why not look out of the windscreen all the time instead of the camera?
I love everything about this car save for one thing. Its not a an EV. When they make an EV version I will buy one
True, but Honda make a great EV - the E. Whilst it doesn’t have the range it is one of the most fun, stylish and techy cars around.
@@TechInTheCar No they dont-- the E is a travesty of design , packaging and range
I think Toyota use a similar system on their hybrids. Certainly the CRV and Rav 4 have similar systems.
Arent all system similar to a certain extent? But no, Honda has been perfecting their own system. Late to the game, but seems it has paid off.
how much for that experiment. no no no at that price point you can buy nicer cars.
Honda should do a Civic Cross like Toyota did with the Corolla.
They may do that - everyone else including Porsche is!
@@TechInTheCar If they do, hopefully they'll make it all wheel drive also.
no, they should not
@@shivamarya5225 Why is that?
@@robedwards6926 civic hatchback already has comparable interior and trunk space to a crossover, a crossover wont drive as great and there's way too many of them already and they're more expensive for no reason, that said honda is already making a zrv hybrid which is going to be exactly that and with awd but it'll most probably be slower with same powertrain and weight because honda also tunes their SUVs different, they like older style suvs which drive like they're really big and with slow steering ratios
Great drives like an electric car. Can’t wait to get one, not..lol😂
I test drove one a week ago. It was quick but completely soulless. The advance is £40,000. To much for what it is.
nice car, but i think the new PRIUS, has it beat.
not when this Civic Hatch is compatible with aftermarket suspension (ohlins) along with 200 treadwear tires.
50mpg and autocross/track worthy
That toaster flapjack display is a fail. Needs to be addressed before the 2024. Insufficient glass and visibility. Seating position too low. Is this supposed to be a kids' ghetto wagon or something?
have you even been inside the car? it has the best front visibity and its being praised by many reviewers on how much glass it has like an old classic car, the rear visibility is not as great as an old car but still better than most and the seating position is perfect, unless youve only ever sat in crossovers and new cars. The interior looks minimalistic but still has all the knobs and buttons unlike many others who removed them to make the their interior more modern and the screen works great and is made to look like an old crt tv with the volume knobs and control buttons to the right, the exterior is also like older cars hondas when they didnt style their cars much and many of them still look good
Still the same ugly design. They need to change that for 2024.
It's vastly better looking than the previous Civic. It looks more mature, more stylish - and that dashboard is beautiful..... possibly the best dashboard layout design out there per se right now. This car is the real deal. It's nothing at all like the mess that was the previous generation. Honda is playing Audi at their own game - and winning.