460 BBF STROKER TEST! TUNNEL RAM 557 (DUAL QUADS)
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- FULL FORD RESULTS. BIG BOY POWER! DUAL QUAD BBF STROKER-BIG BROTHER TO THE OTHER GUYS 460! WHO SAYS THE OTHER BIG BLOCK CAN'T MAKE BIG POWER? HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE PUNCHED OUT A 460 BBF TO 557 INCHES, THEN ADDED TFS HEADS AND TUNNEL ARM INTAKE. WE ALSO RAN NITROUS, A NASTY ROLLER CAM AND 12.5:1 COMPRESSION! CHECK OUT HOW WELL THE 460 STROKER RESPONDED TO THE DUAL-QUAD TUNNEL AND MASSIVE TFS A460 HEADS.
The sound effects definitely spot on lol
John Woodworth : Word!
Can I upload my own sound effects
i'm taking nite classes on sound bites-I'm not doing well in class
Richard Holdener the sounds effects are spot on for imports mr 😎
@@richardholdener1727 does not sound like a 557 BBF! Maybe a little deeper from the gut LOL
I'm not going to get caught up in the Ford/Chevy battle. Thank god for any badass V8
@Steve Gregg The older I get the more I am liking all v8's. Don't know anything about the AMC v8, were they any good?
Rich would love to see a 390 mid block Ford built on the other guys series. Keep it up I love it all.
what i just saw was speed master has a big stroker crank for FEs too, it would be a match made in heaven!
It's actually not a mid-block, it's a bona fide big block, with unfortunately small bores (usually 4.0 to 4.05), except for the 428 (4.13) and 427 (4.23, if I remember right). The only "mid block" Fords are the 351M (an unholy 400 block with a 351 crank) and 400. They're really just tall deck, 2V Clevelands.
@@Cuttyman9 I've seen several 434-ish FEs on tv, You Tube, magazines, etc. That's a darned good size. A 427 block with 428 crank makes a 454, but good luck finding a 427 block (for under 2 grand). Beyond 434, finding big enough heads would be an issue, but that's what boost is for, lol.
Donell Muniz compared to a 385 series it’s a mid block. Windsor’s can get to 418 on a stock block.
The 385 series can be brought all the way out to 555 without an aftermarket block so 434 isn’t anything special but due to its large architecture it’s not really small but it’s also not really big.
Build ANY FE combo.
Blair Patrick won old iron class at engine masters.
360/390 block
428 crank. 410 combo!
This BBC guy is jealous of the factory 385 series Ford block , two nice engine builds 👍
Now let's see what this can do with the twin eBay turbo setup from the 454.
Let’s see a 557 with twin turbos. Could it hit 1500hp or more? Would an FMCC or aftermarket block be needed?
With boost that's 2,000 hp worth of motor. I would be surprised if the 2 bolt mains could handle that.
Man...I wish had a job like this, testing motors all day, listening to that sweet symphony of all those motors. Love this channel🤘😎
Thank you very much!
@@richardholdener1727, someone suggested the Torker 2 intake on an SR-71 headed 557. Isn't this old technology, or is it a good intake? I cant find anything on it anywhere. Can you compare it against other intakes like the Victor and Air-Gap?
Thanks Richard! Love seeing the 385 series represented. Keep em coming!
How bout a turbo on a 460?! That's the im wanting to build
Devin Berry check out maverick with 460 turbo.
But the block wouldn't have survived!
@@terryanderson9936 I seen it about three years ago
@@LukeSportsman 460 blocks are pretty rugged, I'm told. 1000 hp shouldn't be a problem. Just dont hit the button too soon, lol.
That's a recipe for broken transmissions. Do it!
The fords love big cam. Bigger cam and more rpm you can go 1025ish for sure.
Killer motor, it’s amazing the potential, I would have liked to see an intermediate step with the 557 bottom end with the Ported heads and cam from the first video
That would have required pistons. A460 heads require a specific piston due to the valve angles.
@@meteor5452 I think he meant the ported factory iron heads, not the A460s.
You basically built my motor Richard ...the only difference was, i installed 4 bolt main caps...Now i dont need to dyno it...lol I feel the minimal Gain with the tunnel Ram was a Testament to just how "Good" the Trickflow Single 4 barrel was..i enjoyed this..
Richard you should throw one of these engines in a car an hit the track one time 👍🏻🤘🏻
You should ask brule what he would really like to see and do. He has seen and done more then we can imagine. He pry has some crazy combination in his head that he would like to try
That would be cool in a Galaxy or Torino.
I wish you had gone for the Torque Monster version in the middle of the series. The 600hp mods + 557 cubes + and RPM Air Gap intake.
That might have been the ultimate Ford Mud Truck engine.
Great Job.
I have other 557 combos
@@richardholdener1727 Do any of them have Boost????
Please share more of the 557 combos!!!!
Tom McTernan's Pro Gas Mustang
He raced Pro Gas 8.90 index at Sacramento Raceway back in the early 80's.
The engine was a 460 with iron 429 Cobra jet heads.
He copied what was being done to some 351 Clevland heads and machined off the exhaust ports then raised the exhaust ports with an aluminum plate.
His Mustang was on the front cover of many car magazines.
The headlines were something like "it runs 8.90's on a single 4 barrel."
He ran a Lenco transmission. On the Ford 460 forum he said he thought it could turn an 8.50.
Just one incredibly stout block, and with 2 bolt mains no less! Nice job Ford engineers.
By the way love the videos. Love seeing all the different combos. Too many channels focus on GMC and nothing against them but it is nice to see someone making awesome power from something other than just LS LS LS. Kind of like ice cream vanilla is great but everyone once in a while you need to throw in some seven layer bar Ben and Jerry's just to remember life is full of possibilities.
Then there are the 'equal' comparisons where the Ford has a flat tappet cam, the Chevy has a roller cam with even more lift and a bigger carb, lol...
Quench not pistons zero decked but .005 out of the deck protrusion.
Then area rule the combustion chamber.
Or use the groove method of Ben Alameda:)
The groove in the combustion chamber makes sure the fuel air charge in the quench pad section is ignited.
Making sure the entire charge is ignited.
There’s still some in the ring land section that’s wasted, but check out the Ben Alameda
V-Groove technique
I’ll send the link
I have a 870 hp pump gas 582 BBC Chev with AFR heads but boy Ford BB’s make some serious power. They appear to do it with less cubes and intake port volume/ valve size.
I'm more of a fan of a screaming SBF but I do love me a big thumper like this BBF. Great video, sir.
Jeremy Murphy : me too. Fords best engine was the 460 IMHO.
@@dj4monie. Ever heard of the 351 Windsor?
Chris Tuttle - 351 Windsor was a truck engine that Ford stuck us (US) with when they stopped the Cleveland. While companies have developed parts that make the Windsor work, the 351 Cleveland was a VASTLY superior engine. Just look at what the Aussies have done with the Cleveland. They have 351 Cleveland based engines making over 900 HP NA on pump gas!
@@danmyers9372 the 351w was introduced before the 351c...
big screaming 460 would be cooler
Pulls up the first dyno graph, dosen't say anything about the damn near 500 ft lbs at 2500 rpm, dude, that is nutz. Richard, I still have a MMFF issue with your Silver State flying brick blower mustang in my closet. Keep doing what you do, it's an awesome resource, everyone loves it. The only way is up, my brother! WAAAAAAAA!
Love it.....I once mud raced against a guy with a bronco ll that had a 385 series with tunnel ram. All 4 tires actually became airborne when it launched off the line lol. It would hop all 4 44" swampers off the ground then take off like a bat out of hell when dude let off the trans break.
Please learn how to say "Chevrolet".
In answer to your question; that tunnel ram was designed for high RPM performance. The runners are too short to produce any significant gains at lower engine speed.
Speedmaster as in procomp?
But the Internet told me there products are crap, are you saying that you had no problem with the part and it worked..
I saw trickflow... did I miss something?
speedmaster crank
"their"
Great video, as always!
I have a request; I would love to hear the sound of the engines before the dyno pulls (lopey idles, and throwing an unloaded Rev)
Who doesn't love the sound of a lumpy Cam and a high revving engine singing unloaded...lol
Thanks Richard;)
"even awesomer" that is the perfect description. Call Merriam Webster for a new entry. Thanks for the Vids, Richard.
I need to do a shirt
Quarantine Richard is still beastin
With the iron heads. such a great boat motor. run all day, open loop cooling to keep the heads cool at 5500RPM
Too bad not more iron 429CJ heads around to test with. They were awesome when ported on my 490 (460), along with tunnel ram, etc. in the 1970's jet boat. I know not serious unless a Vdrive!
Only problem with BB boat power, the fuel consumption, especially with twins. The speed is nice, but the cruising distance takes a hit. 300gal of fuel would get us about 225mi with a pair of 454s in V-drives.
Do you have a Chevron Platinum Card, or your own oil well? 😄
I wanna see a old school Flathead or Y-block build
Both. Maybe bring in Mike Hermann (H&H Flatheads), and John Mummert or Ted Eaton (the Y-block experts).
I'm a ford guy but never really was a 460 but after seeing these results might actually think about building one
Rich, you do such a fantastic job at everything! Thank you for all of your grueling work at all of this.
You are careful to be very polite and do lots of Chevy stuff. So, I laughed out when you contributed to the soreness between the factions with the Chevy headers crack.
I noticed the various crossover points at the various levels 350 factory, 437, 550, and 735 ish at 5250.
I know rpm is a great way to increase torque. However, what could be done with boost to push a stock manifold to create Earth shredding torque to 5250? What if horsepower was great but no mods would be done unless it also added torque from the basement? Maybe that’s a subject of focus in the future?
Thanks man.
nice combo, great effects, I have never owned a big block, but I want my first one to be one of those 632's i see in the magazines, seems like a good deal for a big engine then boost it.
Making the same fair build the 460 Ford will put out more hp and torque than a 454 c every time. Remember the torque numbers are the real power numbers.
Maybe the difference between the hp curves comparing the two tunnel rammed setups was the cam difference and the Wilson work on chevy manifold ?
Probably be fun ( and expensive ) to try a cam grind on the ford to match the chevy and send the tunnel ram ( and heads if they don't have that head data) and then see if they are much closer in power curves. I was really surprised the tunnel ram didn't make more difference from 4500 to 6k.
Great work as usual- always pick up something.
Wish i could pick your brain on the q16 since you used it on the chevy, also wondering if you used it with the Ford.
We tried at test & tune without nearly as good of luck.
Great video .....like to see more cam in this combo.
it could use more
@@richardholdener1727 Man, you guys live in a different universe than I do, when .800 lift and 274@050 ain't big enough! Wow!
If you had put a 1.8 ratio rocker on the exhaust on the 557 it would have made around 910hp with the single carb. Comp came suck with their backwards lift split
Man thats Awesome!!
As they say, it doesn't matter what is written on the valve covers. Great build. Now I need to scrounge up another dominator because Richard says every big block needs a tunnel ram and every tunnel ram needs a pair of dominators ;-)
the best things come in pairs!
Very cool. I’m thinking another point or point and a half compression and 10 degrees more duration on the cam would’ve yielded that 4 digit power n/a. I’d love to see more big hp n/a sbf and bbf combos.
I love N/A!
That is really cool plus I learned something new which I did not know so thank you R.H.
David Vizard:)
I think we can trick it some DV styled
And it will go over 1,000hp with a single dominator.
Possibly with water injection.
Never understand why these comparisons utilize smaller cam than the BBC counter part
You can ask him in one of his livestreams he does often
Awesome 🍎 Sauce ! 👌🏻🙂👍🏻
Is there any chances of running this thing @ 12.5:1 on "poor's people" 93 octane ? It does have aluminium heads🤔.
I think it would make for an awesome N/A Jet Boat engine.😎
JIGA BACHI I need this for my jet boat!
Might be possible but you would have to take a ton of timing out of it to the point where you would you lose a lot of power. Probably would also run hotter but that probably wouldn’t be an issue in a boat.
I don't know if you'll see this, but you used the FORD 557 tunnel ram results in your BBC tunnel ram test.
I'll take a look
Test was good thanks for showing telling, maybe I’ll make my 460 around in the 600hp be good for me. Well see ya next time see ya bye bye.
Hey richard! Salutation. Well i am was thinking of how to do a mild performance tune for a 460 ford and make 500 torque and 550 hp. How would i am accomplish that for a 2nd gen camaro that is my momma's. Never mind Thanks Holdener! i am just watched the video! hahahahahhah Well i am keeping the cubic inch though at 460 ish cubes, maybe a large overbore. LOL very fun video! Thanks. P.S. Also looking at the 400M.
I know the dyno tests are 11 years old, but some turbos would have been entertaining with say 15lbs...
what we need to know how to increase the power for low rpm RV motor
Had an 85 Fox late 80s with the 460/C6 combo. Biggest problem was keeping it cool and header gaskets..forget it. Quick car though. Had to sell it due to "test only' ca smog.
I wish I still had my 429. I am considering a 460 in a 4x4 F250 or F350. I would want a hydraulic roller though. Have you done a large cubic inch 460 with good heads and a hydraulic roller? This one is a monster but too much for me. Lol.
Ford 460. The biggest big block (that actually works, looking at you Cadillac)
Nice test although I also was surprised that the tunnel ram didn’t pick up more. No way the extra cost (manifold, extra carb, fuel lines, linkage) plus tuning would justify such a small gain. If I spent the $ to perform this upgrade and only picked up ~30 HP I would not be a happy camper.
I would love to see a mild 557 built for pump gas with a flat tappet hydraulic cam that will work with a 3000 stall converter.
I bought the same heads and 557 stroker kit.. ive been wandering what cam to run... you just made my mind up!! ANY WAY YOU CAN SHARE exact part number for the cam your using to get the 900+ hp? springs, rockers, etc???? Please share!! As always Richard your videos rock!!! Tons of information.. You actually build what most of us poor bastard wish we could build in our sleep.. Keep it up. Please share your cam and parts list for this engine please... you can even email me the numbers if you want. i will reply
I don't have a parts list-it was long ago, but the cam specs should be easy to find
I’m the charter member of the PBC (poor bastards club) and I cordially invite you to join our group 😁.
It needed more cam, but impressive like Richard said ( 2 bolt mains) !
Weird tunnel ram result. Normally you get the increase in torque across the curve. I expected a 50hp gain with tq across the board.. I guess that single plane was a good piece.
Richard, you really need to build a 2000 hp big block :)
Get rid of that Comp Cam and install a Crower or Clay Smith. Also put a set of ported Ford Performance Cobra Jet heads to compare it.
BMW made a 1.5 liter 4 cylinder engine that put out 1400hp back in the early 80's for F1 racing. The block was from a regular car engine back in 1961 the M10.
S Wylie yeah I think he prefaced the one liter engine also being NA. as I recall the bmw and Honda 1.5s were twin turbo making like 4 bar in qualifying trim.
yep-very familiar with F1 turbo era
Wow didn't know this
1000 or nuthin. 1108hp Kaase 557 is the highest I've seen on youtube.
THEY GOT OVER 1000 ON PUMP GAS AS A NATURAL ASPIRATED 557 JON KAASE P51 HEAD ENGINE
Those P51s are nice if you can afford em. And if money's no object, there's always the Boss9!
Good evening, Richard, all the way from West Wales, UK. I like your videos, with the accurate info and dyno results. The Ford 400M was so enlightening, because I had a 400M ( ex Lincoln ) in my 71 Mustang, which we used to do a 6 day blast through Europe, going south to Nice, Monaco, ( for the vintage Grand Prix ) and then onto the Normandy Beaches, including Juno. That is one tough engine. It was an organised run with many prizes, we got the cup for the most petrol ( gas ) used. about $1800 in 6 days !! PS, Have you ever heard of the Schlumph collection ?? We visited there for a day. Amazing.
I really find the blueprint 598 engine fascinating. Could you possibly do something with that? Almost 600ci out of a stock deck height BBC...
Rich by your opinion this Engine produce more than 351w or Cleveland ? Thanks
a stock 460 makes more than a stock 351W or 351C-yes
Yes indeed, especially since the 460 has 109 more cubic inches than the 351 engines. WOW… imagine that 🤔.
With Ford they like carbs put a 1250 on it n you will top 900 single carb
Man Richard got that secret sauce!!!! Lol
Rickybobby 03 Creatine for days!!!!
Try an Enderly fuel injection on alcohol on top of dual quad manifold.
I'd love to see a twin turbo 429 BBF with good heads. See what it can do on pump gas for the power lovers who aren't going to the track and then with race gas for the strip guys. Something about the 429 with its huge bore and short stroke that just makes me smile.
Hello Richard , would have been interesting fitting a 1150cfm or 1280 on the 4 barrel combination , see if there was 12hp gain bigger 4 barrel carb other wise nice piece . Heads great 460cfm
Really love you're videos man keep up the great work
what type of fuel was this ran on?? race fuel, alky, or ??
You missed the best intake manifold for it the best option has a pulley off the front end and boost underneath it lol a 8-71 would be awesome on a 557
Bigger Cam & Thinner Head Gasket ! . Please ! .
I think that you could have gotten the 900 H.P.'s with a Hotter ignition , a multi spark Amplifier, maybe different spark plugs
it already had a hot ignition and amplifier
Love this Engine Combination.
Would have liked 2 see 👀 a pair of Jon Kasse heads on this Combination....
SR 71 heads or the Kasse Boss Hemi Head
Xcellent Richard .
Thx 4 the Build .
Real sweet 😋
A bigger BBF w Kaase sr-71 heads!!!
I had an 06 P71 Crown Vic I loved except it was underpowered. A 557" BBF would do the trick I am sure. It's an idea I have been kicking around for awhile, I am sure the 385 series would fit in the engine bay of a panther chassis.
I curious what power you'd get from a 429 blower engine? 🤔.....thats what I am putting in my 78 zephyr...good info Rich!!
Love the Ford content, more please! How about revisit the 351C and compare mild street builds starting with 2V heads. I just so happen to know somebody that owns one lol!
Chevy headers stopped you from going over 900 with single 4v ! Great video! No more engine sounds from you please!
waaaaaaa!
Keep 'em coming Richard! I loved the sound effects! I want to see you make 1000 hp on a Mopar 273 Commando LOL!!!!
Nice job on the big block Ford I am a big block Ford guy myself and done a lot of testing also talked to all the big block Ford Guru guys and they all say the tunnel Ram is worth 30 to 60 horsepower depending on camshaft so you are pretty much in the range
I like the first version with the factory heads ported. Cheap power that noone can see! Basically a stock motor with cam and head improvement! Great combo for an old F150!
I believe the 385 series engine would have been a legend if Ford would have dumped the FE about 1962 and brought the 385 engine back then!
Tunnel ram ports where pretty short, especially compared to the single plane tfs intake manifold.
Really awesome ! Wish you would have tried the 557 with the stock or ported 460 heads and a more street table cam ! Great job. Please try a 390 and 429 some time
No replacement for displacement! I'd like to see that 557 with some twin turbos, ethanol, intercooler...
I don't think it would hold up to boost. The torque from boost will rip that stock bottom end apart. You would have to address that first. In these NA builds he's only hitting around 750ft-lbs, that would go way up even under mild boost, those rods might be good for it but the block likely isn't.
@@GlassTopRX7 but before it blows up I bet it would make some impressive numbers!
Loved this test.
Awesome , now where is the Turbo ?
Single carb setup would have showed better results with a bigger carb. My 557 loves the 1250 dominator.
I'd love to see a pump gas Big Bang series. Race gas is good, but how much power can you run on a stock block pump gas 4.8/5.3/6.0/454/351w or whatever Richard gets his hands on.
you can't reach the limit of the strength of an LS motor on pump gas-just the detonation limit
@@richardholdener1727 That is exactly what I had in mind. To see what is what is the safe limit for daily driving, now that we know what can be reached with race gas.
That's a nice stroker combo - what fuel were you running? E85🌽or race gas?
mix of 100/91
@@richardholdener1727 right on!
The Chevy guys are in trouble because in the tunnel rams rule video that was actually the Ford run you posted! LMAO
Surprising the tunnel ram didn't make more power. The Single 4 barrel is obviously very good
Richard l have a Question 4U should u have the time ⏲️ to answer.
The GM 632 Crate Motor.
1004 hp & 876 tq .
Would a Fabricated Manifold change increase the performance that much without any other changes other than the Manifold & ×2 Carburetors . Efi set up . Ur thoughts & expirence would be Appreciated.
Cheers Robert Australia 🇦🇺
I have not looked closely at the stock intake-but if it does not have a tunnel ram-then likely yes
@@richardholdener1727
Cheers Richard. Always u2 watching u on TH-cam. U have a very sensible 👍 approach.
A head(s) that l would love ❤️ 2 see u review is the ,
Hammerhead Performance Hemi Head out of Georgia, USA .
Greg the Designer of the Head has been ringing its neck in N/A format . Would be Gr8 2 see someone else do a Supercharger Engine just 2 see how this head performs.
Keep up the gr8 work. 👍
Cheers Richard. 🍻
Robert 👍 😀
The 460 and run a tunnel setup would like to see
I know this video has been up for a wail, but I thought it would have been cool to see a stock stoker. Stroker motor with stock cam and intake.
Wail? Freudian slip, lol.
What was the compression with the flat tops?
Ok, I have a dumb idea and I’ll probably end up building it but wanted some help with parts selection. So my game plan is to build a stick shift drag and drive car. Being that it’s a stick shift, I’d like to limit torque some. Thinking a pro charged 429 and run all the good top end stuff off this motor. With a aluminum eleminator block and priority main oiling what rocker setup would you use and how far could I rev it ?
HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO SPEND?
@@richardholdener1727 maybe not all of it… but I feel I’ll eventually get there 😂 I mean I could spring for a t&d setup if needed, I had one on my fe engine… just trying to bounce ideas off someone who’s been there… also… should I just not bother and build a coyote ? Or am I still looking at the same ti valves just twice as many etc etc…