Top 5 Motorcycle Sand Dune Riding Tips
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Do you like to ride in the sand? Having your machine set up correctly for the type of terrain your about to ride is crucial for optimal performance and enjoyment. In this video, we touch on 5 things to help you out while you're tearing up the sand dunes and roosting your friends. Tip #1 - Paddles allow the tire to dig into the sand and propel the bike forward, offering a level of control in sand that simply isn’t possible with traditional off-road tires. Do you know what our Top 5 Tips are for riding at the sand dunes? Watch the video and find out!
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6th tip is trying to avoid every jackass in a razr that walked into their dealership 5 days before their first dune trip slapped paddles on their shit and doing their best to kill everyone
I know this comment is 2 years old, but I swear this is so true 😂
Beware Every dunes have this type of dumbass
I am laughing so hard right now, we get this issue in Canada with guys on high powered sleds in the mountains
@@manny.9273this is absolutely true
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Know how to shift
True
Especially with a 2 stroke
Go with longer ratios on gearing
Lower psi on tyres
Read the dunes; look at the lowest elevation on drops by know which side to land on
Keep body positioning towards the rear more
Last when you land jumps always land with momentum as the sand is softer than dirt and this will keep the bike straight and steady
Good tips!
Dune riding(on a good bike) is like medicine for the soul! Someone at Little Sahara, OK made me a flag mount first time i took a real bike, He took a piece of strap metal, 12 to 14 inch or so of 1/8 inch thick stock. put it in a vice and twisted around 90 degrees on one end using a big crescent wrench, and drilled a hole on twisted end just big enough for flag mounting bolt. 2 hose clamps to wheel side of silencer, a wala , a perfect flag mount . Best 10 bucks i ever spent at the dunes. That design is what I still use to this day. Made a bout 7 to 10 over the years to fit each bike specific. Just checked dimensions of latest one i made. 15" by 1.75" by .175 with a .5" hole. Obviously you want no sharp edges, so fillet the hell out of it. Rides on inside side of silencer(tire side) held on by 2 or3 hose clamps. I run an 8ft flag with a spring. You will drop your bike, so the last thing you're going to need to worry about is flag setup at that point. Video is great, but that set up with the axle is my least favorite design, pretty sure I would be kicking flag pole and mount all day while riding, not to mention it's not high enough to get into park I go to, Flag has to hit top end of gate to be allowed. Drilling a hole in rear fender works in a pinch, but don't put flag in center, it will bonk you in the head all day long. Do your homework before you go to the dunes. That's about the last place you want to be fixin shit. One last tip, no such thing as too much power or traction in the dunes. Deep sand robs about 50 percent of your power. My favorite setup was a 95 cr500 with 10 paddle, but 450r with 10 paddle is close second(in some ways far superior, easier starting, better suspension and smoother motor) . Remember, if you can't be careful, have fun! Cheers and good luck;)
My tip: FIRM UP YOUR SUSPENSION. If you ride trails and sand like I do, you’ll need to ramp up a lot of your clickers to make the handling respond better in soft/dry conditions! Wet sand is a whole different story.
*Devin Wright* Nice tip. Thanks for sharing with us!
*Devin Wright* Nice tip. Thanks for sharing with us!
Yamaha bikes with the reverse engine (11 and up i think) work amazing in the dunes. My air filter looked near new...being up front, it doesn't suck up all the sand your rear tire kicks up.
thanks for the very valueable tips ..
250 two strokes work amazing at the dunes with a paddle. 450s work so much better with sand knobbies, you get way more feel in corners and overall better handling. Sure, you might be not be able to beat the guys with paddles in a uphill drag race, but I think it is worth it.
GREAT, Thanks
Good info! Nice bike.
Pretty good 👍 thanks guys!
FUEL! And LOTS of it! I have a separate chain and sprockets for the dunes for my bikes, (KTM 525sx currently). Expect to run a longer chain to clear swing arm with a paddle and have an extra shock mudguard as it will be eaten by the paddle. Dune chain is a DID ert2 that is barely lubed and well cleaned before sand ride. STIFF suspension set up is key. Run an 8 paddle for 125s and 250f bikes and 10 for built 250s and 450f.
I'm so glad you guys made this video this is just what I needed👍🏽
Good Stuff !!! Thx
my tip is just have fun!!!
You have to run a filter on your vent tub to because when you back off the gas it starts to suck sand in your motor..
Watch out for the crest of a dune. A dune that looks 6 feet high can have a 30 foot drop that you won't see until you launch into space😎. I was driving past some dunes and I saw a man trying to load up his quadrunner but he kept falling so I helped him. Then he said he rode off a big crest and was worried about his back. He got in his pickup and I led him to our fire department "tiny town". They put him on a board and took him to a hospital because they thought he broke his back!! I had someone watch his stuff and the ambulance hauled him away. I never knew how that turned out. My point is if you don't know what you're doing simply learn to read the dunes and don't push your luck. 😎
First time i went to the dunes i ventured alone and went up a dune fell down a cliff bent my bars popped off my chain and that was before cellphones but luckily i was able to get out and ended my weekend at the dunes
Read the dunes. I can't stress this enough watch for sudden dips or even shadows. and don't go fanging around an area ur not familiar with.
my first time riding in the dunes me and mate hit a sudden wash out we didn't see till we were right on it. I went over in the shallow part and managed to stay on the bike while my mate on the other hand hit it in the deep part and stacked. he ended up having to be airlifted to hospital with a broken collar bone, 4 shattered ribs and potential internal bleeding.
Also another tip watch out for vehicles I'm not sure what it's like in the states but here in AUS we have 4wds tearing up the dunes aswell. and most of them do the right thing and use a sand flag ETC but you get the cocks who just gun it up the dunes with no flag or anything and the only time u see them Is when they pop over the dune. so watch out for the Dick heads aswell.
U want to keep a steady throttle and put weight on the back tire
This Thanksgiving I'm going to Dumont with my new bike
Can a tc 85 2015 climb sand mountain Utah I have one and am wondering
About the tires and what bike you ride. A lower power or 2 stroke maybe go with a tire that has less paddles so that a 2 smoker or smaller 4 stroke can spin it to get to the power range better. I ride a built 450 so I really like a 10 paddle Dunatic. It has all the power to spin more grip with more paddles. I good one also is an 8 paddle Kings turbo .
Throttle is your friend ! Sand is really squirrelly like pea gravel on a street bike. When your moving good and on top the sand is good, half ass the throttle and that front will dig in and move the bike everywhere under you. If you can ride bike on sand then you can ride anything.
Be in shape. Riding casually on sand is more physically demanding than practice on a track or a day on the trails. It's more rewarding though. Have fun and be safe.
Appreciate the tip Joey ! Based in Qatar so its all desert riding here. Newbie motorcycle rider that recently bought a 250 4t. Everything you suggested rings true !
I'm new to riding dirtbikes and wen I ride in sand the front wheel just goes every were any tips on what I'm doing wrong thank you rocky mounten atv
can you clean air filter skins ?
Always use the OEM factory filter for dunes riding.
if your on a big dune going up and you want to turn around dont let off the throttle
I have a 2018 kx250f should I run a 6 paddle with stock gearing or 8 paddle with lower gearing??
25o four stroke always a six paddle or it will do too much load on the engine
let us know next time you want to do a dune video...
My tip for riding at the sand dunes... Avoid other people. You can't concentrate on the sand if you are constantly looking out for all the jack-wagons around you. It goes with "don't ride alone". Have your buddy or small group, but when you see others or other groups, move away.
Hey I’m new to biking and want to be a beast in the dunes, what’s the best beginner bike and setup to feel great in the dunes
250
The most important thing about riding at the sand dunes is learning how to read the sand. Find a veteran who has been riding sand for a long time and ask for advise. Best is to have a ride-along. It takes time and lots of stopping and taking about where you are and what you see, but in the long run, it's totally worth the education.
Sand can be extremely dangerous on a bike. I've been riding for several decades now and still get caught off guard and surprised by the constantly changing nature of the dunes.
I was almost killed once by someone who was not paying attention and trying to do something he thought was cool. I didn't see them until the last second and their spotter wasn't doing their job. Sand rail vs motorcycle means that the sand rail wins. I walked home but my bike didn't.
Slow down with gearing and throttle over when you come across rutted areas.
I think the dunes are great. It feels like youre surfing sometimes when you lay into some peaks 🤙
Poor title, this has no riding tips, just bike set up tips. Decent video with good info though. Are you doing another video about how to ride in dunes/sand?
Just like riding any type of sand, momentum and speed my friend, the more of that you have the better and easier it is. Lots of wide open throttle especially if you do not have a paddle tire. I also use my clutch more than other terrain, rather than down shifting when I know I need to be in that gear I'll slip the clutch for more power rather than downshift. Find your flow, be consistent with your speed, only brake if it's actually needed, the more you can flow in the dunes the more enjoyable it is.
Agree. With tips like this, add, "put gas in your tank"
@@BrianLampright913 lol dont do this on a 2stroke
What's the best paddle tire for a 250 dirtbike that I should get?
Factory size with a low paddle count
I have a 125cc Kawasaki 2 stoke but I'm confused on what he means by gearing down your bike.
Gearing down means to change the sprockets so that your bike has less top speed but better acceleration. To do this you want to change to less teeth in the front sprocket and more teeth in the rear sprocket. Usually just one tooth less in the front and two or three more in the rear.
I've been reading a lot of forums where people are apprehensive about taking their 250 four stroke bikes to the dunes. Im a heavier guy and I have a yz250f that is maintained properly and I was wondering if I should avoid the sand dunes or should I take my bike out?
Ibe gone to Saint Anthony (one of the biggest dune areas besides glamis) do not be afriad to bring it out. I've wridden a 450 there and that was super fun but I had just as much fun on the 250. You have to be smarter about where you stop and where you start. (Always stop on down elevation) but of you have a paddle you'll be fine. Get out there and ride it you'll love it
Its mostly cause youll blow your little 250 engine on these dunes. I wouldnt put the stress on my bike but if i did change oil and filter every ride
deflate tyres a bit?
What PSI do you run in the tires?
Usually right around 12 psi is recommended but it does depend on your preference, conditions, and tire. I've heard of people going down to around 10 psi and all the way up to about 18 psi. A great place to start would be setting it around 12-15 psi and see how it feels with small changes.
Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
you should jet richer to keep motor cooler too
great tip! dunes should be treated like competition motocross, you do not want super lean jetting because you'll be WOT a lot.
here's a pro tip,
twin air filters are not as good as the genuine factory items,
if you want to dust your engine then fit a twin air
Good tip
On my air filter the air filter skin is a little baggy is it ok to ride in glamis with it?
Yeah, that should be fine. It's just a protective barrier so if it is a little loose, it shouldn't affect anything.
Rocky Mountain ATV MC what sprocket ratio should I run for my yz125 to ride in the sand I have stock sprockets by the way
Guys is it a good idea to take my yz125 to the dunes with a 6 paddle? Specifically silver lake sand dunes if that helps
A 6 paddle would be the right one. The dunes can be hard on a bike, especially a 125 so know what you are getting into. Make sure it's jetted right, you'll want to be 1 jet size on the rich side due to the increased load. I'd also run a filter skin. -Charles
@@rmatvmc thanks a million
How well does the Dunlop mx12 perform in the dunes?
We haven't tried that one out, but we have used its brother the MX11. They hold their own. They perform better if it has recently rained and packed the sand down a bit. A paddle tire is more ideal for your deeper sand dune type riding though. Hope this helps.
What’s a good bike for a first time dirt bike rider that wants to ride the dunes
What is your age, size, and weight?
Rocky Mountain ATV MC I’m 6’4 and 230 lbs and I’m 14
250 two stoke would be ok. bur for your size a 450 would be better. The sand robs about 50 percent of your power. No such thing as too much power in the dunes.
Where can I get this jersey the guy is wearing!! Someone let me know!!!
This jersey is several years old and is no longer available.
Rocky Mountain ATV MC damn that sucks !! Goes right with my quad 🤬
My girlfriend have a crf 150r its to small to go in the dune ?
A CRF150R or 150F? The R is a race bike that will have no problems in the sand and even the F model should be more than capable to have fun out on the dunes!
@@rmatvmc 150r with a paddle will work good ?
I say gear up
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@@rmatvmc the new one is even better.. also folks can widen the plastic clips a bit for thicker fenders so you can run it on almost all KTM's and Husky's as well.
where is this
Little Sahara state park, Utah.
So are you gonna tell me right now ?
Is that st anthony dunes?????
Little Sahara Sand Dunes in Utah.
Rocky Mountain ATV MC I haven't rode those yet but you should try st anthony in idaho the choke cherry dune is my favorite place to jump
And now I need to get a 450 lol
nothing really compares to a 450 in the dunes...as much as I LOVE my 2-strokes for just about every other type of riding, I'll take my trust old 450 for a dunes trip. If you ever get a chance, try out a 350 in the dunes, because that motor revs so high you don't have to shift as much and I actually really liked the 350 at the dunes. There was one jump in particular I was having to shift a gear higher on the 450 and I noticed my friend on the 350 was somehow clearing it better than I was, so I swapped bikes and figured out he was able to do the same jump with one less shift and just revving her out.
@@BrianLampright913 CR500 king of the dunes. 450r close second. 10 paddle a must for 450s and 500s
@@lyleswan6671 small problem 500’s haven’t been produced in how many years? Better have deep pockets if you want to buy and build up a 500 today. It stopped being practical for 99.9% of people a long time ago to go that route.
I was told not to lube the chain. Is that true?
Brian Jimenez not true . You want it greased because the sand will eat and rust your chain. Clean the entire bike Including chain when you get home
Brian Jimenez you don't want to cause sand will stick to that chain real quick and mess your gearing up
Lube lightly, clean and re-lube after a day or two of playing in the sand.(-:
I used "Chain Wax" it's a dry lubricant that lubes the chain and sand hardly sticks to it.
Lube it lightly that is my opinion for sand dunes
poop before you go ride, so u dont have to have someone see you taking a dump while they are jumping mid air in the mojave
I wear my whip on my Camelback incase I fall off so I'm still visible
smart
Don't mount the flag on your bike! If you do be prepared to get frustrated I've tried it for years. Zip tie it to your backpack or chest protector.
Jake Jones I've rode the dunes a for years on a 450 mounted to my axle, made a guide for it that I mounted to the fender. I had a flag last 3 years until I had a pretty big crash and it finally broke
I also don't like having the flag on the bike because is makes it harder to get on and off the bike, but having the flag on your person completely eliminates this struggle for short guys. I always thought it was super dorky to have the flag mounted to a back pack, but now that I have tried it I will never go back. You do you but im completely done messing with the axle or rear fender.
Legally, at Glamis anyway, the flag has to be on the bike, not the rider.
Use spotters, flags are useless.
Just get one of those mounts he told you about
What kind of kickstand are you using that keeps your bike up in that loose sand?!
Dig your tire in the sand.
Ok so just setting up I thought it was skill tips
I don’t have a air box I got a chinese dirtbike😔
Where can I get a American flag with that long pole? I need one with a long pole but I can’t find one
I don't think a paddle is a must I ride in coos bay Winchester Florence etc. And there sand can get really soft and deep and ovbisly u don't get and instant start but it makes it so ur bike don't bog out and it's way better wit a nobbies for cornering the a paddle is this all just my opinion
You missed the single most important tip there is to riding dirt bikes in the dunes; TAKE MOST OF THE AIR OUT OF YOUR TIRES!
Not with a paddle tire paddles are run at about 30 psi
Don't even ride a 2 stroke in the dunes not worth it, also don't use this whip setup he has it's terrible just breaks off or gets caught in the wheel and it sits to low to be helpful. Drill a hole in a old side panel by the seat above the exhaust pipe and mount it in there with washers. Also a huge riding tip lean back alot in the sand and ride loose.
Don't tell that to all the guys that have been riding Banshees in the dunes since the 80's!
KTM 300 in the dunes is a beast.
U don't actually need Sand paddles
First
Flags on bikes was another dumb idea by people that do not ride. No mater how you mount them, when moving the flag is always lower than the riders head. Add in lean angle, bumps, etc and they are useless. Would have been better to mandate orange helmets.
Did he just say that a 250 2-stroke is more powerful than a 250 4-stroke
Carrotsbcrazy Gaming 2-stroke has twice the power of 4-stroke
yup!
Kawasexy Noob I have both and The 2 stoke has more instant power but the 4 stroke has more power after take off
He did say that but I ride a Suzuki 250 atv so I don't know
@@heavenly_seahorse it does not have twice the power. Line them up side by side you will get a surprise
A paddle isn’t necessary
Andrew Barada true but having a paddle tire gives you a lot more traction.
Not necessary, but it's a much better experience when you have a paddle tire.