Step one, wear a chest protector during all practice and test sessions. Fact: Chest protectors with integrated hard shoulder pads greatly reduce clavicle fractures and posterior dislocations.
You talked about sag and fork height based on if you steer with the front or the rear of the bike. I kinda do both based on conditions. I would live to see a video about suspension and steering riding and set up
Regarding shock he said high speed compression adjust is for g outs and transitions, and he said low speed was square edge straight line hits. Pretty sure you got those backwards by mistake. Good to comment also is that suspension speed refers to shaft speed. Not bike speed. Regarding bar height how is low bar with risers different than taller bars and no risers? Seems same net difference.
I wish this came out a couple months ago. I did exactly what Kris said. I went out and got cr high bend bars and now my cornering isn’t so good. I’m having to work hard to control the bike right with them in corners
Thanks for the video i lived in Corona California all my life i moved to east coast 2 years ago to south Carolina lots of clay i hate it I DISAGREE WITH YOU on being jealous of the dirt out here
Chest protectors are great,last race I rode before my retirement speech,I got run over,and I had just bought one of those really nice answer team Honda chest protector,I got hit right in the middle of my back,and all I felt was a little bunk...it was definitely not a copy,it was real race chest protector front and rear with flexible shoulder caps,gear is important,being cool counts for a little,but being safe counts more...motocross bikes are real serious machines,you should at least wear boots,Kevlar heat protective pants.knee guards ,gloves Helmut,goggles are important just to keep a bug from going in your eye at a mere 30mph,that hurts,the biggest danger to a rider is lower legs feet ankles,if your flip flops slips off foot pegs,the foot pegs will tear you up,God for bid you land with your foot under them...too without boots...ouch...
Yeah I was really surprised when I got my friends pro national bike,1990 KX perimeter frame.the suspension was so dial in,mainly for the Gainsville national,concrete surface,but the frame was toast,when I was installing the new frame,I put new steering stem bearings what a difference how smooth and perfectly the front end turned,plus the right amount of resistance from grease and properly adjusted spanner nut,wow,I've told people how good the suspension was dialed you could slam thru 4ft whoops and not spill a drop of your latte...hah hah..I road race,and a steering damper is a must on a road course any where from 80mph up to 150mph and beyond,it slows the start of high speed wobbles and gives you time to correct your body brakes saves yo aass ,help you save it...you have to react...
I live in Wareham and have been going to that track near the Cranberry Bogs since 2003, back then it wasn't established and hardly maintained, it was gnarly. I owned one of Jake Morrisons old race bikes from Wareham Cycle Center a 2004 rmz 250. It's awesome to see what the track has turned into today, people from all over New England go there to practice in the sand. And they host J-Day races sponsored by Answer. Come check it out 10 minutes from the Cape Cod Canal.
Hey Rocky Mountain ATV MC I love your videos ! And I wanted to know how to fix this issue I have.. sometimes when I’m out riding my dirtbike at the track and when I’m speeding or slowing down I get headshake I noticed I get it a lot when the track is getting choppy and rough but I get it at random times I could be fresh mid day at the beginning of a moto and I get headshake in the front end any tips to help fix it? Or any videos to address when riders get that ?
There are several things that could cause head shake and it is also dependent on conditions. If it's choppy and you get head shake, try speeding up the rebound (2 clicks out) to help the fork track the ground better. Check your sag. If you're sag is where it should be, try adding 3-5mm of sag. But it could be that you need more weight on the front of the bike so if adding sag doesn't work, try taking away 3-5mm. These are just some guidelines that might help out. Also, make sure your forks aren't too soft causing them to be low in the stroke when the track is rough. Try these out and check back in and let me know how it goes.-Chase
Hey man good stuff,before I forget there a guy who was wondering about steering dampers on a 450 MX bike,your a testing guy you race what and when have you ever on dirtbikes todays four stroke have you ever benefited or no you don't believe in them,I kind feel bike set up sag and suspension settings good greased steering stem bearings makes a whole lot difference do you concur I concur ....what do you think or have you found??? Thanks.
You should tighten your steering stem nut until the handlebars will not turn and hit the frame stops under their own weight. You can actually go a little tighter and it helps with headshake a lot. I learned this from Davi Milsaps mechanic. You have to remember in Motocross you don't steer with the handlebars as much as you think you do. when leaning into a turn the bike actually counter steers first until you get into the lean angle for the turn. This will be very apparent trying to ride into a rut with the bike straight up and then trying to lean over.
they tested the husqvarna fc 450 2020 model on utube with the 4.2 rear spring 65 to 75gk spring stock it came with ..the guys testing it were 85 to 95 kgs ..and were trying to say how the bike was ..I know shit ..I don't know why they bothered or even could comment..sag is first thing your correct rear spring for your weight. or don't bother testing it.
I'm confused about the bars if you are taller you want a taller but flatter bar? So flatter as in less sweep or lower? And why is the cr high bend bad? What is a good bar to run for over 6 foot rider?
by "flatter" he means less rise. Sweep is all personal preference. Instead of buying a bar with a lot of rise, by a flatter bar and get the additional rise by using spacers on your bar clamps.
For God so loved the east, that he made it moist, rich loam, and in the western "Sodom and Gamorha" like Los Angeles, he made "hard packed" or as he called it Diablo dirt.
Oversteer is when the bike turns to sharp. Also referred to as knifing. Under steer is when the bike doesn't turn as good and pushes with the front end.
as new rider it seems very intimidating to learn how to do all this stuff I know you can google how to do some of it, but some of the videos aren't that good or explain everything in good way for people who dont know how to work on bikes. Could mechanic do some of these things for me or would the look at me like I'm an idiot because I cant do it myself.
You really shouldn't have to adjust rebound based on compression. If you have to, then something else is likely incorrect. I.E. tire pressures, spring rates, etc. Changing rebound for track to track or trail to trail is a different story. Then, yes, it would be necessary. As rebound is the most critical/important suspension setting (once sag is set)
Aoki Gahara man I’ll give anything to ride all year round... I’m looking into moving now prob down south... 10 degrees rite now in Pittsburgh I hate it lol
I told the guy at "Cycle Gear" to charge me double for the tire, because you told me "a more expensive tire sticks better".
That's a good idea I'll try that.. lol
🤧👏 bravo!
So spend more $$'s and go faster. That was easy. 😂
Keefer is a solid resource I fallow him on everything
Step one, wear a chest protector during all practice and test sessions. Fact: Chest protectors with integrated hard shoulder pads greatly reduce clavicle fractures and posterior dislocations.
Chest protector yes don't forget neck brace just as important
@@gdv4612 I don't ride neck braces
Aaden Conlan my neck brace saved me 2 times, if i didnt use that neck brace my neck wouldnt be working
Alpinestars A10 is a great bit of kit, CE level 3 back protector too.
4:02 guy sending it in the background😂
@Gianni Titus no one cares
You talked about sag and fork height based on if you steer with the front or the rear of the bike. I kinda do both based on conditions. I would live to see a video about suspension and steering riding and set up
Regarding shock he said high speed compression adjust is for g outs and transitions, and he said low speed was square edge straight line hits. Pretty sure you got those backwards by mistake. Good to comment also is that suspension speed refers to shaft speed. Not bike speed. Regarding bar height how is low bar with risers different than taller bars and no risers? Seems same net difference.
Keefer is the man, such basic items overlooked. Great tips.
I wish this came out a couple months ago. I did exactly what Kris said. I went out and got cr high bend bars and now my cornering isn’t so good. I’m having to work hard to control the bike right with them in corners
What should you do instead?
The best thing I’ve done for my bike is getting rid of the 52 front for a 3s, feels better in every condition.
The 3S is an awesome tire! I agree, much better than the 52 front. A lot more front end bite and confidence leaning it over.~Chase
is the 3s the same thing as the 32?
oHerroPrease Yep
Yep, the had to rename it a while back. Both are the same tire.
Thanks for the video i lived in Corona California all my life i moved to east coast 2 years ago to south Carolina lots of clay i hate it I DISAGREE WITH YOU on being jealous of the dirt out here
I agree with him but I think you should tune suspension differently for different tracks
Great points wish these videos were around twenty five years ago would've made life easier 😐😂😂👍. Great video
Indeed! Had to rely on magazines back then.
Chest protectors are great,last race I rode before my retirement speech,I got run over,and I had just bought one of those really nice answer team Honda chest protector,I got hit right in the middle of my back,and all I felt was a little bunk...it was definitely not a copy,it was real race chest protector front and rear with flexible shoulder caps,gear is important,being cool counts for a little,but being safe counts more...motocross bikes are real serious machines,you should at least wear boots,Kevlar heat protective pants.knee guards ,gloves Helmut,goggles are important just to keep a bug from going in your eye at a mere 30mph,that hurts,the biggest danger to a rider is lower legs feet ankles,if your flip flops slips off foot pegs,the foot pegs will tear you up,God for bid you land with your foot under them...too without boots...ouch...
Thanks for the great videos as always! Sorry if I missed it in the video, but what track is this at? Thanks a lot.
This was filmed at Comp Edge in Victorville, CA. Unfortunately, that track is no longer open.
@@rmatvmc Thats a bummer to here they closed. Looked like a cool track. Thanks a lot for getting back to me though!
Thanks Keefer, taken a while to set the bike up properly! Found out I like the bike set up neutral with slight bias to rear steering.
Yeah I was really surprised when I got my friends pro national bike,1990 KX perimeter frame.the suspension was so dial in,mainly for the Gainsville national,concrete surface,but the frame was toast,when I was installing the new frame,I put new steering stem bearings what a difference how smooth and perfectly the front end turned,plus the right amount of resistance from grease and properly adjusted spanner nut,wow,I've told people how good the suspension was dialed you could slam thru 4ft whoops and not spill a drop of your latte...hah hah..I road race,and a steering damper is a must on a road course any where from 80mph up to 150mph and beyond,it slows the start of high speed wobbles and gives you time to correct your body brakes saves yo aass ,help you save it...you have to react...
Keefer after Dark is the best! Liking these videos RMATV!
Best tire ever, the dunlop Mx11. Best for sand tracks but also great for hardpack
Thanks for the feedback *The 7deuce!*
An MX11 for hard pack? You're the first rider I've ever heard say that.
Rocky Mountain ATV MC propably dutch hard pack is sandier then the hard pack out there in de usa
The 7deuce What track are you referring to specifically?
17 crf450 honda, im 160 lb , put the p.c. linkage . sag at 105, looking for proper stock settings
Great tips. Awesome video thanks for the advice.
There's tons of sand in MA, wicked sandy.. great track to go if you're in south eastern ma. is Wareham mx llc. Jake Morrison 261, Owner is super cool.
Wyatt Sprague I’m from Holland MA have you been to mx23?
I live in Wareham and have been going to that track near the Cranberry Bogs since 2003, back then it wasn't established and hardly maintained, it was gnarly. I owned one of Jake Morrisons old race bikes from Wareham Cycle Center a 2004 rmz 250. It's awesome to see what the track has turned into today, people from all over New England go there to practice in the sand. And they host J-Day races sponsored by Answer. Come check it out 10 minutes from the Cape Cod Canal.
Good tips this is the 3rd video i watched of yours🤘🏁
Thanks. Really good advises
What bars do you run mr keefer ?
Hey Rocky Mountain ATV MC I love your videos ! And I wanted to know how to fix this issue I have.. sometimes when I’m out riding my dirtbike at the track and when I’m speeding or slowing down I get headshake I noticed I get it a lot when the track is getting choppy and rough but I get it at random times I could be fresh mid day at the beginning of a moto and I get headshake in the front end any tips to help fix it? Or any videos to address when riders get that ?
There are several things that could cause head shake and it is also dependent on conditions. If it's choppy and you get head shake, try speeding up the rebound (2 clicks out) to help the fork track the ground better.
Check your sag. If you're sag is where it should be, try adding 3-5mm of sag. But it could be that you need more weight on the front of the bike so if adding sag doesn't work, try taking away 3-5mm. These are just some guidelines that might help out.
Also, make sure your forks aren't too soft causing them to be low in the stroke when the track is rough. Try these out and check back in and let me know how it goes.-Chase
This stuff is GOLD! Thank you.
Glad you like it! Thanks
Hey man good stuff,before I forget there a guy who was wondering about steering dampers on a 450 MX bike,your a testing guy you race what and when have you ever on dirtbikes todays four stroke have you ever benefited or no you don't believe in them,I kind feel bike set up sag and suspension settings good greased steering stem bearings makes a whole lot difference do you concur I concur ....what do you think or have you found??? Thanks.
You should tighten your steering stem nut until the handlebars will not turn and hit the frame stops under their own weight. You can actually go a little tighter and it helps with headshake a lot. I learned this from Davi Milsaps mechanic. You have to remember in Motocross you don't steer with the handlebars as much as you think you do. when leaning into a turn the bike actually counter steers first until you get into the lean angle for the turn. This will be very apparent trying to ride into a rut with the bike straight up and then trying to lean over.
how do i know if i’m a front end steering rider or rear end steering rider
I always use dunlop mx32 tires
what is sag and please explain it
hey is that the high desert i see in the background. looks like Hesperia
they tested the husqvarna fc 450 2020 model on utube with the 4.2 rear spring 65 to 75gk spring stock it came with ..the guys testing it were 85 to 95 kgs ..and were trying to say how the bike was ..I know shit ..I don't know why they bothered or even could comment..sag is first thing your correct rear spring for your weight. or don't bother testing it.
Thanx a lot.
I'm confused about the bars if you are taller you want a taller but flatter bar? So flatter as in less sweep or lower? And why is the cr high bend bad? What is a good bar to run for over 6 foot rider?
by "flatter" he means less rise. Sweep is all personal preference. Instead of buying a bar with a lot of rise, by a flatter bar and get the additional rise by using spacers on your bar clamps.
@@rmatvmc what's the difference? Whether it's high bars or bar risers, aren't you achieving the same result?
@@madsoothsayer I had the exact same thought. Seems like same net result.
Such great help
I believe you got your high speed and low speed rear shock comments backwards… or it just explains why I never could make PRO😅
Hard terrain tires are softer compounds
*spotthedogg* Correct. They have a softer rubber compound. Thanks for watching!
At 6:40 he said hard terrain tires last longer but don’t offer as much traction.
spotthedogg he was referring to desert/off-road tires. Not induro tires.
good stuff man! thx!
How would you set it up for a 200+lb 6'1 rider on a yz250?
You will need heavier shock and fork springs and have the suspension re-valved. Maybe some handlebar risers to get more height on the bars.
@@rmatvmc are there new forks and spring I can just order and bolt on for my size????
great vid kris!!
Just messing with ya Keef, dam good video!!
thanks for the tips
Great tips
Glad you think so!
All the tips in the video is what I do after every bike I buy!
For God so loved the east, that he made it moist, rich loam, and in the western "Sodom and Gamorha" like Los Angeles, he made "hard packed" or as he called it Diablo dirt.
Diablo dirt sounds like OR at the end of a long hot summer.
good vid..
Good Video
What's over steer
Oversteer is when the bike turns to sharp. Also referred to as knifing. Under steer is when the bike doesn't turn as good and pushes with the front end.
Oversteer is drifting , understeer is going forward while trying to turn
SAG recommendation by a manufacturer is for a novice...
mint vid cheers
What tyre pressure do you run? Thanks
really depends on the tire you're using. In most cases, but not all, 12-13.5 -14 PSI is good window for front and rear.
what is that track called
This was competitive edge in Hesperia California. It's been closed since.
Someone can write the tips 5 to be able to read it, thanks
as new rider it seems very intimidating to learn how to do all this stuff I know you can google how to do some of it, but some of the videos aren't that good or explain everything in good way for people who dont know how to work on bikes. Could mechanic do some of these things for me or would the look at me like I'm an idiot because I cant do it myself.
They just need to bring back the Dunlop 756.. life was so much easier than
You really shouldn't have to adjust rebound based on compression. If you have to, then something else is likely incorrect. I.E. tire pressures, spring rates, etc. Changing rebound for track to track or trail to trail is a different story. Then, yes, it would be necessary. As rebound is the most critical/important suspension setting (once sag is set)
Johnny Bike alright mr Johnny bike
Johnny Bike 😂😂
What track is this?
Mc Fabulous competitive edge
Mc Fabulous sadly it closed last weekend😢. Such a bummer
7:38 did anyone hear the guy rev his 2 stroke😍
blowin KK blowin KK...
I’ll trade you this east coast soil for your 24/7-365 sunshine in a heart beat
Right?! haha. However, having the different seasons is nice. Trust me, after a while you start to miss it!
no... when you only have half a year of good riding maybe....
gonna trade the the traffic too???
Aoki Gahara man I’ll give anything to ride all year round... I’m looking into moving now prob down south... 10 degrees rite now in Pittsburgh I hate it lol
Rocky Mountain ATV MC yeah that’s true lol I’m gunna be missing it then I’m out of here soon hopefully to mtf or club mx