Why is Alduin So Weak in Skyrim? - Elder Scrolls Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video I investigate the topic of Alduin's relative weakness in Skyrim, compared to what the legends say about the infamous 'World Eater'. Why is Alduin so weak in Skyrim? Elder Scrolls Theory
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Songs used in video:
Skyrim OST:
- Kyne's Peace
- Dragonborn
Because the Dragonborn used my gear, the finest weapons and armor in all of Skyrim
Thanks for all the free ingots
Bruh, I sold your gear as soon as I got to whiterun
khajiit stole better armour of some dwarven city.
@@ghostwascom22 Sigrid is really hot.
@@ladyselin35 that's cool ig lol you get it!
because I fought him with a level 234 dual-wield character on skooma
Ishmam Khan did you even use elemental fury with that duel wield?
nah that would be unholy
Ok well here's a tip. You know how every fucking anime has that flash step shit? Well get that one handing sprint attack perk and use elemental fury duel handed. Have fun!
i beat his ass at about level 10... u wasted 224 levels just to do what i did... xb
Maaquchi cool no one fucking cares
I think he's weak because he's not been drinking water and milk like sheogorath told us
If he listened to Shakespeare like another Bethesda character, he would've known that the strongest source of power is the Milk of Human Kindness.
He doesn't drink like a normal dragon he's known all dragon he eats Souls
I fought mudcrabs more fiercer than Alduin.
Alex da Vinci U had me dying cause its so true
Sandtix Tred Oh thats a mudcrab, dont wanna fight one of those
Crabbattle
I saw an elder dragon fight a mudcrab snapper once. The fight lasted pretty long, but the crab lost, unfortunately.
a meme it's only dead when he is finally forgotten
- Mahatma Gandhi
From what I remember, Alduin's Wall depicts his battle with the last Dragonborn at the end of time. Maybe the player isn't the last Dragonborn and the prophesied battle is going to take place sometime in the future where the last Dragonborn battles Alduin at his full power.
Just a thought.
darkwzrd4
The thing with prophesies is that they are vague as all fuck.
The end of time could mean the literal end of existence.
Or.
It could mean at the end of Alduin's time skip.
The end of Aldrin's timeline meaning he could only be killed by a Dragon born and no one else.
The end of all dragons as a whole, especially given that we must also kill the gray beards little pet as well.
Just a thought
Holy shit. I could be dragonborn.
Mathew Poole Not a chance in Hell I killed Paarthurnax. Especially since I learned I can help rebuild the Blades and gain the Dragonblood Infusion in between quests. Here's a wizard, here's Uthgard, and here's a werewolf, my wife. Don't judge.
End of the time is only for living currently. Times end and begins a new.
Well would that mean that the Dragonborn we play as is ageless?
This is a good video, Avarti, but I don't think it's the right one. See, the thing is, Skyrim as a game has a whole different design philosophy than the previous ones. (and yes, this is gonna be a long one)
In the previous games, at least in the base game's main quest, you NEVER actually beat said final boss through sheer strength of arms. You might fight them back, briefly wound them, but never win. In Skyrim, you do, by straight up defeating Alduin. To point:
Arena: Jager Tharn's 'life energy' is contained within the Jewel of Fire and when you take it he just kinda...melts.
Daggerfall: The game straight up tells you that you are not worthy to wield the Totem of Tiber Septim, you have to give it to someone who is, and they end up victorious (plus that whole Warp in the West thing).
Morrowind: You can't beat Dagoth Ur, not truly. He even mocks you about it as well. He only loses because you use Kagrenac's artifacts on the Heart of Lorkhan, and even then he only realizes this far too late and can't stop you in time.
Oblivion: You might fight against the Daedra at every turn, even defeating Mankar Camoran in combat, but in the end, it's Martin, using the power of Akatosh who actually stops the Oblivion Crisis.
Now...in the expansions and DLCs for the game, that's a bit different, but it's more justified, as there's build up to it, and you achieve some kind of apotheosis as well, so from that you understand what you really are, and defeating the 'big bad' at that point makes sense.
Tribunal: Beating Almalexia, while immensely powerful, is easily justified because the story is supposed to be after the main quest of the base game, so the game assumes you already ARE super-powerful from your questing in Morrowind.
Bloodmoon: Aside of whatever you have personally, Hircine at the end, purposefully limits himself, as it's simply his nature to willingly give a sporting chance, however small said chance may be, to whomever he's fighting, ergo victory against him is not unexpected.
Knights of the Nine: Your goal is to collect the Relics and defeat Umaril. In fact if you DON'T wear all of the Relics against him, you die instantly, that's even scripted into the game.
Shivering Isles: The whole point of the DLC is that you are becoming the new Sheogorath, and so achieving that Apotheosis to do it, it's not a surprise that you can defeat and take down Jyggalag.
Heck, this even applies for the DLCs for Skyrim itself:
Dawnguard: The point isn't that Harkon must be defeated, but whether or not you allow the Prophecy of the Sun to pass or not, THAT'S the real goal of the story here, not beating him, that just happens to be secondary.
Dragonborn: You aren't really destined to beat Miraak, it's more a side story/continuation of your story once you know you're Dragonborn. Or maybe you are, considering how much of a place Herma Mora has in it, and he's kinda weird when it comes to foresight and knowledge. Either way, you're both Dragonborn all the same, so it's no wonder in the end you both would clash.
Skyrim's main quest though? You just go to Sovngarde, hit Alduin a few times, and he's dead, world saved, now go home.
(PS: It's kinda really terrifying though, when you realize that the Prophecy of the Last Dragonborn didn't necessarily mean YOU (the character/player), considering that Miraak is still around.)
TheNN 2 thumbs up for using apotheosis correctly!! I....i love you😥
Amazing post. And I totally agree about the usage of apotheosis. U just don't see it very much
Miraak isn't _around_ . He's stuck in Apocrypha. You're still the last Dragonborn.
Even so, the only real reason Miraak is prevented FROM coming back is because we stop him. Heck the Greybeards even foreshadow his appearance by stating that we 'may not be the only Dragonborn of this era'.
TheNN just to point out, alduin isn’t dead. You more or less send him to time out for the next century. Still a shitty end though.
I beat Alduin with a steel sword I stole from Lydia at level 15 tbh.
It’s cuz Bethesda wanted you to fight the baddie directly this time but didn’t bother to make anything special about it (other than location) which was cool but still Alduins weak.
The first boss fight in MediEvil was harder tbh
AF i went from predictably killing everything in Skyrim,took that stinkin knowledge and tried to play Dark Souls...lasted about 2 hrs before i threw my controller at my wall...i friggin hate dying!
Ah yes the two extremes,
Skyrim the game a baby could beat and Dark Souls the game only masochists enjoy
AF play oblivion then👏👏👏
AF I'll take masochist as a complement but Dark Souls isn't just loved for it's difficulty but also because of its lore concerning the rise and fall of kingdoms and the idea of existentialism. That and the fact that the community is a cesspool of memes
Rafail Kekkou Oblivion was even easier than skyrim. Next to imposible to take serious. sorry man but oblivions can take a nap
Have you tried turning up the difficulty?
I only play on legendary😎
The I of It lol
Played on legendary and it gets ridiculously easy pretty fast
Thanks to alchemy & enchanting, Legendary becomes overall easier than Kirby. The glaring problem however is a more serious difficulty inbalance among enemies. I'm at level 128 with 100 everything, & one time a Briar Heart & his 5 Foresworn minions surrounded me & almost wrecked my shit.
Another example of bullshit are those Draugr outside of Skuldafn who, with an endless combo of Unrelenting Force shouts & barrage of Ebony arrows, can kill a thousand Alduins.
Why not mods that make bosses more powerful?
I think Alduin is extremely powerful, its just Akatosh himself saw how his first born abused his power and secretly suppressed his power so he can learn a lesson when defeated by the last dragonborn. Hence why he’ll probably be reincarnated full strength devoted to finally cleansing Nirn and “eating” the world. But this is my take, who am I to speak all I do is drink and have bar fights with random Dragonborns for 100 septims.
Alduin is Akatosh though
It is sorta complicated. Alduin and Akatosh are both aspects of AKA-tusk (Idk why Bethesda writers gave Alduin the dialogue saying he's first born of Akatosh). Alduin is basically the nordic aspect of Akatosh which appears ate the end of time to end the kalpa. They all are shards of AKA so, you can say Alduin, Paarthunax, heck even LDB are the same beings. Alduin, however is a much bigger fragment than other dragons.
Aspect gods are weird in Elder Scroll universe. It sorta happened when Saint Alessia broke the dragon (yes, dragon break is literally the time dragon breaking into fragments) and exorcised AuriEl to be a human favoring god Akatosh.
You should read the book The Alduin/Akatosh Dichotomy on The Imperial Library. Elder Scrolls lore is extremely fun to dive into tbh.
I'm not sure end of Kalpa affects Aedra Daedra and Magna-ge. It's only for the current mortals on Nirn. As Redguards are kind of from the previous kalpa.
Plausible in universe explanation; why the final battle against Alduin was extremely underwhelming:
Alduin had just reemerged from the time wound at the Throat of The World. Alduin being cast out of time had weakened him. During this time Alduin had no intention of himself physically attacking cities or towns. Alduin was leaving that job for his subordinate dragons, hence why after Helgen he was focusing more on rising other dragons from the burial mounds to reform his dragon army. Alduin also lacked practical fighting experience and was very arrogant. Examples of this is when Alduin rises Sahloknir at Kynesgrove and he orders him to kill the Dragonborn. Alduin seeing this as beneath him doesn't stick around to help.
There are also several optional encounters if you happen to be at the right burial mounds during specific stages of the main quest. Those encounters you fight a named dragon, while Alduin after rising the dragon from the burial mound then flies off, again he's not interested in confronting Dragonborn. More proof that Alduin lacks practical fighting experience, preferring to let his dragon hoard conduct the grunt work; and evident that he underestimates the Dragonborn’s abilities. Alduin shows his disdain and arrogance toward the Dragonborn, by thinking he’s not worth his time. In essence Alduin’s mentality is “My dragon hoard, will take care of my light work” Also Alduin would go back to Sovngarde periodically to steal more heroes’ souls to regain his power that had been weakened, by being cast out of time; so he was busy with other things. The prophecy did indicate that Alduin was the World Eater and would destroy Nirn, but it’s obvious that he couldn’t do it totally alone. If that was the case that Alduin didn’t need assistance in fulfilling the prophecy, he wouldn’t have bothered to revive other dragons to regain his dragon hoard.
Alduin was the first born of Akatosh, was the leader of all dragons and felt that his birthright gave him power to reshape Nirn into his vision and that he was invincible. As Paarthurnax stated about Alduin “The Elder brother gifted, grasping and troublesome, as is so often the case with firstborn” Alduin also let revenge cloud his judgement, blinded by rage and hatred for what the ancient Nords had done to him. So a narcissistic lizard as such actually in it's mind would think it was beneath him to do grunt work.
Also when the Dragonborn goes back in time with the help of the Elder Scroll to learn the Dragonrend shout, they see the ancient Nords fighting Alduin’s underling dragons. Alduin only get’s involved after his dragon army was defeated, an example of him only fighting in open combat when he was forced into it.
During the battle at the Throat of the World between the Dragonborn and Alduin, he said to the Dragonborn “I can not be killed here”, speaking of the mortal plane. Alduin weakened by the Dragonborn retreats back to Sovngarde to recuperate by absorbing more heroes’ souls. Alduin didn't bank on the Dragonborn making it to Sovngarde. I find it ironic that Alduin’s poor judgement with underestimating the Dragonborn was the same mistake he made with the ancient Nords. That could be one of the reasons that the Dragonborn had such an easy time (and disappointing) defeating Alduin at Sovngarde.
At “End Game” for the main quest the Dragonborn had many advantages over Alduin. He knew the dragonrend shout, which could ground any dragon, Alduin had no defense against it. The Dragonborn also had help from three ancient Nord heroes that as well could shout. As Powerful as Alduin was he was also soft in many ways. Alduin lacked practical fighting experience and now he is forced to face off against four heroes with the ability to shout, along with other fighting abilities like bow, melee combat and magic. In essence because the fight was in a non mortal plane, here Alduin was mortal and could be defeated with conventional weapons and magic would effect him. Alduin lacked practical fighting experience relying on his dragon hoard to do the actually fighting and he was very over confident and now he has to do battle against
four extremely powerful heroes. Alduin’s conceitedness, arrogance and limited fighting experience; were huge factors that lead to his downfall.
This needs to get a like from Avarti
Make me think of hela, the more stronger she gets in the world of living
There's also the fact that since it isn't time for the world to end yet (Or the fact that Alduin wants to dominate the world rather than destroy it), he doesn't have his full World-Eater powers either. If he actually had that, he'd definitely be a way harder fight since that gives him power far beyond that of Daedric Princes.
Alduin wasn't weak, he was only able to be defeated cause you learned a special shout. It was basically kryptonite to him. Just cause you use it on Superman, that doesn't mean Superman is weak, just that you (and only you I might add) know how to exploit his weakness
Plus Alduin is only ever at full power when it really IS time to end the world. At full power, Alduin becomes absolutely massive and is even more powerful than the Dadric Princes
Nah. Dragonborn is probably just really powerful. Why come up with this whole theory at all when the most simple answer is probably the most likely? Dragonborn is simply just that powerful.
King Vince was thinkin the same thing
raburto singh Especially when you look at the lore of shouting.
King Vince lol
Was just Lookin over it heh
U also had help in that fight
raburto singh To be fair he also beat alduin on top of the throat of the world but alduin fled.
King Vince don't forget the first Dragon born
And he destroy that bitch on his own jjajaj
It's like Alduin lost his soul while cast a drift in time, and what emerged was a mere Shadow of his former self... could even be possible that his soul be reborn in another being, and that being, perhaps unbeknownst to them, would also take up the mantle of World Eater.
... but of course, this is just silly, who ever heard of a being other than a Dragon being Born with the Soul of a Dragon and being able to devour the World.... now if you'll excuse me, i've suffered some damage in battle, and as i'm out of potions, must eat 200 cabbages in the blink of an eye -'J
Thorus Zwolf Nah. Dragonborn is probably just really powerful. Why come up with this whole theory at all when the most simple answer is probably the most likely? Dragonborn is simply just that powerful.
Thorus Zwolf maybe the dragonborn and alduin share a piece of his soul?
What do you think?
kalesmart1
Kind of like how Serana partially soul trapped the Dragonborn? interesting idea -'J
Kalesmart1
i don't wanna get deep into lore but they kinda do
long story short
god of time = aka
aka goes crazy and is fragmented into numerous shards, the most notatble being
auriel (the beginning of time) akatosh, arguably the most crazy of the shards (body / flow of time) and alduin, the end of time only to come to a complete circle and go back to auriel.
Every one of the dragons (and dragonborn) are apart of the aka oversoul.
Divine Potato could you? Elaborate?
For the curious
That feel when 1 old succy boi in his castle is a harder boss fight than a time traveling mythic god being that eats souls and resets time and space
Better question is, why are we so weak? I thought we where supposed to have power to rival the sun! Yet I'm still in danger of contracting rock-joint!
Meanwhile at Bethesda:
Yeah that's the reason. It just works.
I think Alduin is weak because he needs to be to make the game playable. I mean if the dragonborn was as powerful in the game as he is suppose to be in lore then you would be OP as hell, same with Alduin.
king 304
Or instead of a tank and spank final boss battle, they could of made it so that he could one shot us, while we needed to use environmental features to bring him down.
He would of retained his OP status while we had to out smarted him.
But as you said for game play reasons he was nerfed
Well then the game's scale should have been up'd. Otherwise the lore doesn't matter.
Here's a theory: Alduin is actually the Red Eyes Black Dragon from Yu-Gi-Oh!
Theory? I thought that was canon.
I woke up at 5 in the morning. And this is the first thing I see....awesome
Or
Dragons could be similar entities to the Aedra and Daedra.
As you stated magic might make beliefs true.
So like how prayers feed and empower these "gods", they may also empower the dragons.
If enough people believed in
Alduin being this godly world destroying being, then his power is strengthened.
But as the people of Skyrim had long forgotten about dragons, relegating them to mere myths and legends.
His power and that of all dragons (including the dragonborn's) had waned due to the lack of prayer feeding them.
Alduin may never of been a world destroyer in the literal sense.
It was probably just a legend made up by either the Dragons or first cultists to instil fear in the human population so that it would sustain the dragons strength.
Alduin may not have been the world destroyer but someone was.. we have TONS of evidence of numerous kalpas happening in the TES universe.
one of the most notatable being redguards..
My own theory is derivative from "the dragonborn is literally a god", but a different one than on that theory (or, alternatively, that Shor isn't quite who people think he is, so the dragonborn is Shor and someone else at the same time). Here is the short version.
Some people have though that Alduin is Akatosh (who is also identified as Auri-El), and in this theory that is true - they're three aspects of the same entity. Auri-el is the beginning of time, and the past. Akatosh is "ongoing time", and the present, the "now". Alduin is the future of all, the end of time. But they're all the same being, who is connected to time. From here, either we have a scenario when time is just not yet meant to end, the present has no issues vanquishing the premature manifestation of that aspect. Perhaps their struggle is a life lesson from the Aedras or an even bigger plot, of which Alduin's presence is actually a side effect. Alternatively, and my favorite variant, the fight between Akatosh's mortal incarnation (present) and Alduin is really a judgment whether or not the world should end. If the mortal races, in general, are able to support Akatosh's mortal manifestation to grow in power and defeat what is essentially himself, then the world is still worth continuing for the sake of those who are able to work together, put differences aside from greater goals, to sit down in a table and discuss a truce in the name of a higher goal. But if the mortal races failed that, if by far and large everyone is so up their asses their indiference and schemes make even a literal god fail, then it is game over, alduin wins, ending Akatosh (the present) and fulling its purpose, ending time for a new beginning.
The idea that the Dragonborn is Akatosh is still consistent if you assume that Akatosh and Alduin are not one and the same. If they aren't, then Alduin is Akatosh's creation and it makes sense that the creator could overpower the creation with ease in the end. Either way, I think this explains why all the draedra are whoring themselves at the dragonborn. If they can keep him in his mortal form, they are essentially taking over an aedra. And if it is not control they want, it still doesn't hurt to have big old Akatosh own them a solid for that one time they lend a hand, would it? At the same time, you notice they don't really fuck with him. You corrupt Azura's star, nothing happens really. Hermaeus Mora talks, talks, and talks. But he kept Miraak in his realm with ease, yet he just lets the supposed "replacement" walk away from his realm back into Mundus where he needs a bit of help to properly operate and there is no guarantee he would just befriend some other higher power who would keep him out of Mora's reach down the line. Sounds dumb pretty dumb. Unless Mora, being knowledgeable, figured out exactly what is up. He can get away from toying with a mortal avatar and trolling it a bit, but of all of the Aedra, it is Auri-el/Akatosh (i.e. not even trully aedra, but Sithis equal and opposite in the form of Anui-el) no one wants to fuck with, specially outside of Mundus which makes everything fair game. Nobody ain't got enough assholes for that level of getting fucked.
This was an interesting comment to read.
You never absorb Alduins soul, and he is destined to devour the world like he has many times. He will be back.
Its kinda hard to say is Alduin really weak or that weak when the game help you fight Alduin by letting 3 essential npc to fight beside you in the last battle.
dragonrend more 3npcs - really bad choice by bethesda
@@victortayon2659 wouldn't say a bad choice. at best a poor choice but even then it doesn't matter.
Bethesda game was never known for their game to be challenging like Dark Soul.
their purpose was more of a cinematic experience and If Bethesda has more time and resource which the former is more impossible than the latter. They would find a way to make them worth. Not enough to make it challenging but worth for the cinematic experience.
Alduin is weak because he's in Shor's world who is the archnemesis of Akatosh/Auri-El and the DRAGONREND shout is powerful AF to the point that all dragons become mortal if cast at them..All make sense in the game...and Oh it's and 2011 game FFS,They had limited game mechanics back then !
I actually had this one theory a while back where Alduin and the Dragonborn are like Harvey Dent, two sides of the coin. As the Dragonborn gets stronger, Alduin gets weaker, and in a way they are connected. That was my biggest reason for why Alduin comes at the beginning saving the Dragonborn from execution.
So sue me I dropped this theory a few years ago.
I feel like Alduin should have been on a similar level to Merhunes Dagon in Oblivion, a truly powerful God in the mortal plane. Manifesting themselves in our world would cause them to be weaker, but far more powerful than the player character could ever be. In Skyrim the only reason we can beat Alduin is because we have a shout that grounds him, which is supposed to make them feel Mortal, and could have been a lot more interesting.
I think the fight could have been done better if we weren't alone, sure we have the heroes from the Dragon War but they are just as powerful as the Dragonborn, if not weaker. In order to truly defeat Alduin I feel it would have been more fitting to have had to use the Elder Scroll again, or perhaps even require the aid of other dragons like Paarthunax for example.
Imagine if you had to recruit a bunch of people to the blades and fight side by side with them as you march against Alduin and his Dragon allies. I feel like this would have been a lot cooler than going to Sovngard, since that place was a huge disappointment and honestly just felt like shallow fan service and a"wow" factor. In reality the reason Alduin was so weak was due to laziness and poor game design. Bethesda proved that they can create more interesting boss fights in the future DLC, but that is about it. Everything before those are awful in every respect.
Nemenon except Alduin is not a god...he is basically a tool OF the gods used to reset the world
Alduin is a part of Akatosh, hence why he refers to himself as the "First born" of him. He's basically a demi god. He isn't some random dragon that appeared out of nowhere, and he also has the power to end the current Kalpa, which means he will devour everyone and everything including the Aedra and the Daedra.
I agree with you completely, and i'm really surprised why it isn't obvious to everyone, especially the guy tthat made some elaborate theory about Alduin. Maybe it is obvious to me because i played Elders scrolls games since Morrowind, and i'm pretty knowledgeable about ES lore and videogame industry in general, and it's pretty much undebatable fact to me that Morroiwnd sequels are getting dumbed down, gameplay and story-wise, more noticable with every new installment.
It would have been so cool if you could recruit your own band of heroes definitely, but it would be sick if along side that there were dragons loyal to you and then dragons loyal to alduin battling in the skies and around the main battle
Nemenon in my game Paarthunax helped me for the first battle unless you’re talking about the second.
Never clicked off the elder scrolls wiki so fast
Dragonborn fighting alduin: *insert clip of Broly vs Frieza*
Dragonborn fighting a random furry: *insert clip of Afrosenju fighting the guardian ape*
What if, and stay with me here, Alduin is weak because Bethesda just didn’t make him strong enough.
WOAH
Pre-video ad was for DEVOUR brand frozen meals
ejscorp hmmmm.frozen nord?
Raine Nelson Alduin the WORLD EATER. His name has devourer in the meaning. Touché TH-cam.
I have a different theory in the original Skyrim the Dragonborn was only able to level up to 80 or some thing like that and since Skyrim se is Skyrim with better graphics and the dlc’s the player was able to level up more but they forgot to change alduin’s code and he was made to fight a level 80 at most Dragonborn
Unless you're a vampire lord you'll have a pretty easy fight. Unfortunately I had no fire resistance potions so I had to climb down the mountain to get some...
Long story short: He is weak so that you can end the main storyline without doing any "side activities" like crafting, side quests, exploring, etc. It is meant that way for people who are either new to the game or just want to get thru the main story fast. I remember that when I first started, I finished the main story before doing any side stuff and my first playthrough was very short. The second one- the one in which I "discovered" Sneak Archer Playstyle (one that I always end up with since then)- was Much longer and It took like 100 hours and I killed Alduin in like 1 hit cause I used the Mehrunes' Razor and I scored Instakill.
The actual reason is probably because Alduin levels up along the Dragonborn. But this theory feels better!
Kudos for the parallels between Alduin & Shiva (in Hinduism, Shiva personifies the destruction phase) nice to hear that!
Maybe the dragons gain power from their names, and when they shirk and give up their names, they give up their power. By giving up the Al, Alduin lost his name, and therefore, his full power, but was so powerful that he was still the strongest dragon, even running on reserves
Ive heard theroies about how alduin foresaking his destiny as world eater leaves the deadric lord peryite as the next most likely contender for destroying the next cycle
Thankyou for not making a 20 minute video about this
I think he's just weak to the dragonborn. Nobody else would stand a chance
True
Yeah I mean he literally doesn’t take damage unless dragonrend is used
Here's a better theory and it would make more sense -
He was just recently, to him anyways, battling against 3 Dragonborns, then he is thrown through time and finds that his species is on the very edge of extinction, and so he goes around reviving his fellow dragons.
Dragons are quite powerful when you think about it. He's not animating them, like a Necromancer animates a corpse, he is bringing them back from death; resurrecting them. That alone has to be serious drain on his overall powers, cause not only is he resurrecting them, but he's also restoring their powers as well.
So, when you combine the fact that it was fairly recent for him that he fought 3 Dragonborns and is then resurrecting his fellow dragons, that would explain why he is weak. Added together with the fact that he has to devour the souls of the dead just to bring himself back from death, and we beat him before he could bring himself back.
He's brought back young dragons to ancient powerful dragons, and when you think of the amount of dragons you could potentially kill in the game, he had to have spent a helluva lot of time & energy bringing back so many in such a short amount of time.
Alduin is purely a soul thief. He may seem weak but if your already dead you can instantly be absorbed. We see this in the battle at Sovengarde. He is the first dragon and even as an enemy of Talos, Alduin is a beloved son. Alduin is gifted with guile but does not have a strong following because of his evil nature and use of "perverse" necromancy. Oddving betrays him because Oddving knows of better and braver dragon leaders, counting you among them.
They should've had Alduin be the one responsible for the destruction of Winterhold. At least then you could say he did something. Helgen doesn't count, it was just a glorified fort. Winterhold was a supposedly bustling city/port that was wiped out and we never saw it before it happened.
Tbf though what enemy is strong in Skyrim? It's merely a matter of who has more health potions and who can button mash the quickest whilst running sideways in a circle.
Bruh bandits gave me more trouble than that paper airplane
To be fair, you do have the other legendary soldiers in Sovngarde to aid you to kill Alduin.
I think alduin soul will be reincarnated into the last dragonborn where he would have to do a physical battle and a mental battle with ones self like the new alduin human part is kind but the Dragon part is evil but asleep untell he finds an artifact that wakes up the bad part and must find away to take back his life or let himself be consumed and forget who he is
Because the "Skyrim" in the game is not the real Skyrim, but a realm of Oblivion.
That's why all the "cities" etc. are tiny compared to the ones in the real Skyrim.
It really explains everything.
That flame dragon underground was far more difficult for me to kill
it would be interesting if the last LDB becomes alduin itself after absorbing alduins soul and eats Nirn.
3 simple reasons- 1 over leveled character 2 investing solely on combat related skills 3 healing potion spam
It really depends on what skills you focused most. I shot myself in the knee for being almost pure sneak and stamina. It only became easy when I took out the ebony blade so I wouldn’t die
In my first play through I got to him relatively early, I think. I can't recall the level (it was 7 years ago...) but he was tough. Quite tough. I suspect that he's tuned poorly for people who do a normal game - craft, do side quests, and all the rest.
My personal take of why Alduin is so weak is that he has corrupted his purpose. But that doesn't mean hes truly dead, as his soul was simply banished to atherius. Evden paarthanax says that he will return to fulfill his purpose as the worldeater and the dragonborn kind of helped with that since you banished a corrupted form of Alduin. Though I disegree with the whole dragonborn being weak. The dragonborn is arguebly the strongest being on Tamriel.
Cos he's a milk drinker and doesn't drink mead like the dragonborn.
Is the Dragonborn a brother to Alduin?
And if the Dragonborn has a dragon soul does that mean that he has a dragon body also? Maybe buried somewhere?
I guess it is all because of mythiopeia as everyone in the world believed that Alduin was a world eater he ideed was so.
But in the fourth era people forgot their history and thought that world-eater dragon is only a fairytail for kids.
Thus, less people believed in Alduin, the less powerful he is...
The theory is interesting but ultimately it comes down to pure game mechanics. Bethesda didn't want a truly difficult final boss. They added some side bosses intended to be a real challenge later like the ebony warrior and whatever that frost giant's name was but they never "beefed" up story bosses like aldiun or miraak.
I think Alduin was already weakened when the dragonborn fights him alongside Parthurnax at the Throat of the World, that's why Alduin flees to Sovengarde.
Then you join forces with the ancient nord heroes who banished him from their timeline to the last dragonborn's and shout lok vah kor together at the soul snare mist Alduin made to trap souls and devour them to regain strength.
With that denied, Alduin didn't have any time to recover so the combined effort of the last dragonborn and 3 of the most powerful tongues in history was enough to stop him for now.
I think this explains why the very last encounter with Alduin wasn't as challenging as his legend would have one expect.
ES V is the story of the fulfillment of the prophesy of the last Dragon Born. Alduin's time is yet to come, the world eater will fulfill his prophesy at another time. The end is inevitable.
Ok, get this.
Alduin has been said to devour all of time and space to create the new kalpa, has one-shot 22 Jills with a breath of fire (Jills are weavers of the fabric of time btw), can cause Dragon Breaks, which are events wherein the linearity of Nirn's timeline shatters and the world momentarily returns to a state of non-linear untime, and his death has reverberated all across Nirn's timeline.
And here comes my bitch-ass one-shotting him with Mehrunes' Razor
Short answer: He isn't, Dragonborn is also really powerful.
To be fair, he is not actually weak, remember that he is literally immortal,
If you did not posses the Dragonrend shout, you could never stop him, he would keep getting back up and live for untold years.
He could lose forever and still never truly lose, while you only need to lose once for him to win.
Alduin's power was not necessarily in raw destruction, but his invincibility.
tfw when a magic ice giant ghost can kick more has than a world-devouring dragon
A theory from the in game book An Overview of Gods and Worship states that the power of the gods derives from their worship, and the more worshipers a god has the more powerful that god becomes. This is speculated to be the reason why the Thalmor outlawed the worship of Talos, to deprive the Hero God of Mankind of his power. So if this is true, then the reason Alduin is so weak is because the Dragon Cults have been gone for thousands of years, they've lost all their power and influence to the point people barely remember them anymore, thus Alduin has lost all his worship and all his power making him a husk of what he once was.
It also explains his motives, by conquering the world and forcing his worship via the dragon cults he becomes ever more powerful. If one considers out of game sources, Alduin was once so powerful that he took a minor and largely irrelevant demon - The leaper demon/devil king and cursed that creature into becoming what we know today as Mehrunes Dagon, he could literally create Daedric Princes.
Actually, Alduin didn't abandon his role as World Eater, it was taken from him. You see the Gods created Alduin because they needed someone to destroy the dying worlds that they have been creating, but as soon they manage to create Nirn, the perfect world that would never die, Alduin was no longer needed.
So, he had to find another purpose. And within that time, he manages to create a dragon society, with him being the leader as he claims himself to be First Born of Akatosh, the eldest of the dragons as he came before the others. Soon after the mortals started worshipping them as gods and Alduin, took this opportunity to rule not only the dragons but the mortals as well.
I believe that his power waned because the number of mortal souls he was eating wasn't as many as he was when destroying whole worlds. As it was said that, devouring souls was the source of Alduin's power. And so, during the Merethic Era (that's when Dragons began to rule over mortals), there weren't enough deaths to support Adluin's everlasting full strength power. But also, there is the Dragonrend, which means when used that Adluin experiences the concept of mortality, so most or some of his immortality power is lost to him, making him even weaker. That's is what I believe is the reason why Alduin wasn't strong as he should be.
I wish to add something extra, yes the dragon born is just more powerful than mortals since dragons still have mortal constraints. Corruption of the nature of the dragon mayby came into play since accepting dragonrend meant accepting one of the biggest curses and a drain effect would come in as the dragon crisis ends.
Did alduin also get defeated by dragoborn in lore cuz i heard someone say alduin is some form of universal-multiversal level being in lore
I believe it’s due to Alduin straying from destroying the world and the reason you don’t take his soul is cause akatosh takes it to give him eternal punishment
I guess most people ignore the fact that there are 3 other users of the voice with you and all 4 of them hit Alduin with the Dragonrend shout. We see three Nords use dragonrend on him and it cripples him. He survives the fight but really only 2 were doing any fighting. The third was standing back. Plus we don't know if the 3 birds were dragonborn or not, only that they could shout and the lore states that shouts can vary in strength based on the user, so we take three voice users, who weren't all that skilled and a full fledged dragonborn... if there wasn't a game mechanic preventing it I would say Alduin was lucky the 4 dragonrend shouts didn't outright kill him!
Or maybe he was weakened when he was thrown forward through time and didn’t have enough time to devour souls to go back to his former self ?
Why is Alduin weak?
1st: You used Cheat codes
2nd: You playd in "Novice" difficulty
3rd: Mods
4th: It's 4vs1 and Alduin dosent really focus you
5th: Skyrim was never meant to be a Dark Souls game
Guess that sums up everything
I challenged him at Kynesgrove, and he was invulnerable to my attack, and blew me away with a puff. I didn't try that again. He must have had something that kept the other dragons subservient. The heroes of old were not really heroes at all.
You can't even ride on him, he has spikes on his back. Spiked back!
By the way, it would have been cool if all the warriors from Sovngarde went out with the Dragonborn for one final epic fight against alduin.
it make sense because some dragons are questioning his power now
The theory is cool and all. But Alduin being too weak or not, the true problem lies in him just being boring- since the Dragon fights aren't that great in Skyrim.
For a thing that can fly, bend reality with its voice, devestate cities (by that I mean: only Helgen that one time) they were really repetitive and underwhelming.
Shoot the durg, rend the durg, hit the durg; dead is the durg. Every single fight.
If there's gonna be dragons in TESVI then they better be something more interesting. Even if you don't fight any just talking to one or seeing it would be fun.
CrashBandicootFan100 all the fighting sucks in Skyrim, especially the animations, where you wildely flail your weapon at the enemy until it dies of an heart attack, unless you are lucky enough to get a killing animation.
Theroy: Bethesda ment to make him powerful but they messed up. So now they agree with any theroy
I think that's Bethesda telling us that we really shouldn't focus on the main storyline in these games.
Well see once the universe is eaten it ends and is restarted once again. I'm not entirely sure if its just Mundus, Alduin eats and ends it, or if its all of the Aedra and Daedra as well that are eaten and rebirthed through the same scenario over and over. But anyway the thing is that every time Alduin is in a different Kalpa the Universe he apart of he's in a different form, in Skyrim Alduin's form is a dovah as Parathanaux said a Dovah's have to conquer its in their nature. Unless you can maintain that as he did. So with Alduin being in this form he stumbled away from his post he has to do by eating the world, by trying to dominate mankind, and thus he's not as powerful as his multiple other forms he has took on before. I believe this is the power of Auri-El/Akatosh i believe he has it set up like this as a time god he can pick this and that when ever. He created Alduin so he can do this. Being said he drained much of his power creating Nirn like all other Aedra, so with Akatosh creating Alduin for this main purpose is very clever. As i said i don't know if the story of Lorkhans betrayal etc. and everything and so on is repeated but i do know Alduin is created for a divine purpose. But this time he rebelled due to the fact of being a Dovah a dragon...
Without the game physics couldn’t any ordinary dragon just eat the Dragonborn in one chop to the Dragonborns chest?
The explanation is that the game devs didn't want kids playing the game to get too frustrated. In reality Alduin should have been as epic a boss fight as some of the mods for him.
I was known to fear him, the world eater and I did fear the shit out of him
I thought he was weak because he needed to regain his strength by devouring souls from the heaven realm you finally fight him in. But you battle him before he gets his fair share of souls eaten. I thought that was the reason he was weak. At his max I don't think you would of been able to kill him, isn't that the very reason the people who knew the word used the elder scroll in the first place, to push him out of time as they couldn't destroy him at his best? His battery was low, that's all.
probably because is would just be unfair even at level 500, or something.
Just wanna say something about the last Dragonborn. It is stated that this Dragonborn is the strongest with the power that could rival the gods and the magic power that no mortal has ever seen before. The last Dragonborn is not someone who is somewhat stronger than other mortals because he holds so much power and it all just continues to grow. Also Alduin cannot return because he is no more because once a Dragonborn absorbs a dragons soul they are killed and are no more
Haven't heard that music in a while.
If Alduin is glitched out invincible, you can't even kill him. Alduin is definitely not weak in gameplay mechanic wise.
Lore-wise it's because he's trying to defy his divinely appointed role of destroying the world, in favor of desiring to rule it.
In my opinion, I think Alduin was supposed to be the strongest in the narrative, but the gameplay degrades him to just another dragon and making him into the runt of Akatosh rather than the end of time. The Alduin boss battle was wasted potential for what could have been a truly memorable fight.
There's also the possibility that Alduins legend was embellished to the point of being more powerful than he could ever truly be.
Or that the Original legend was never meant to be literal.
Alduin in elder scrolls lore is the 6th most powerful creature in the universe and the dragonborn killed him. It's likely that Bethesda just couldn't make a boss fight that actually seemed like you were fighting a god.
Aldrin isn’t weak. He’s invincible unless forced down with Dragonrend, which was developed by th’uum users in conjunction with Alduin’s fellow ancient dragons.
Essentially: Imagine if you, the Dragonborn, REFUSED to do use the final word of Unrelenting Force. Sure, you’ll shout, “Fus.. RO!” But never use “DAH”.
Without that last word, the shout is significantly less powerful.
This is what Alduin is doing; limiting himself. He won’t use his full strength because he’s forsaken it in exchange for dominion over a part of the world, when normally he should have the power to destroy all of the world.
Another way of looking at it is like challenging an assassin to a fair fight, and you are a normal citizen of average physical strength. No weapons, poisons, sneak attacks, or armor etc.
Sure you could maybe beat an assassin in a fist fight, but given the opportunity, the assassin is capable of killing you ten times over again if they had access to all the tools at their disposal.
The problem is in game stuff doesn't always mix well with Lore stuff.
My theory is that Tiber Septim (TALOS) was made to become a god by Akatosh , so that he could reincarnate Tiber Septim at a later date (the fourth era). As if Tiber Septim had entered Shor's Hall, then Akatosh's plan would never have worked as Tiber Septim would never be able to leave Shor's Hall.
I reckon that during the time of the Great War in Tamriel, was the time when the Dragonborn was born into the world. At this time is probably when Talos became a god no longer and was part of the reason why the Imperial Legion got smashed during the Great War, as Talos was not there to lend them support or power. All of this seems to me is what leads to the Dragonborn of the 4th Era being so strong, as his soul already had all the power that was gained by Tiber Septim and now he was able to improve on that power.
Alduins power seems to depend on the amount of souls he has devoured, the more souls he devours the stronger he gets. When the dragonborn fights Alduin on top of the Throat of the World, Alduin is definitely more powerful at that point. However as soon as you beat him all of his power drains away, which is why a quickly rushes of to Soverngarde as he needs more souls. However during the peace treaty quest line you basically cut Alduins supply of souls, which leaves him barely any left to devour. This is probably why Alduin is so weak during the final battle, as he has had no time and no souls available to replenish his strength.
Alduin is weak because alduin is actually experiencing Skyrim on legendary difficulty. Being an unstoppable force is no fun for him, so he limits himself.
I mean, the answer is so obvious that I wonder why are people even arguing over it. As much as I LOVE Skyrim, I have to admit that the fighting in this game is not skill reliant whatsoever, so it's pretty much impossible to make a fight hard other than giving the enemy high hp/armor/damage since it's basically a stat check.
Dragonrend made the dragon battles a lot more easier. Story wise it does make sense to learn it but I wish there were other ways on defeating him instead of taking the easy route by learning that shout. You were not alone in that battle too. Also you're the Dragonborn ffs. Defeating him was your destiny!
Loses Al
Joey: "How you duin"
thing is. we dont know if we are the last dragonborn. this could justt be one of alduins many fights
...because by the time I fight him I am a level 80ish dragon killing badass with fully enchanted dragon bone armor and weapons. Oh, that and dragonrend and help from other heroes.
Because bethesda is or .. was lazy to make good boss fights. At least they learned from their mistakes and didn't screw up with harkon or miraak, those were pretty damn good boss fights.
Never Mind i don't see them as lazy at all...i see them stuck trying to please everyone in one game or series! If it's too hard...complaints...too easy...complaints. Sometimes ya pull up your big boy pants and do it exactly how you want to(as a developer),and let's face it,Bethesda isn't in any danger of sinking from one bad game review lmao
Raine Nelson hope they won't disappoint us with tes6.
Bruh Harkon was easy to beat, it just takes a long ass time because he keeps going into mist form so frickin much like damn it’s so annoying
joe shmoe well that's the Only thing that bothered me with harkon's battle he evade more often and attack less. Other than that it was kinda cool fight.