Why Mercer Frey Is An IDIOT - Skyrim Thieves Guild Lore
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- Mercer Frey might be a skilled thief - but it's undeniable that he is a bit of an idiot. Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Thieves Guild Lore. Mercer Frey.
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Me: *kills Mercer for stealing skeleton key for greed*
Also me: *keeps skeleton key for the same reason*
Why would you keep it? It's not like lock picks are rare, locks aren't difficult and you don't get XP with the Key.
Ackalan I’m pretty sure you get xp for the key, you just don’t get the side xp from breaking them
Ackalan yeah but now you have a stylish lockpick
The pimpin lockpick
I kill him just because he tried to kill me. Plus I get an awesome key out of it.
'Not many people are stupid enough to betray a daedric prince'
Every smart Dragonborn in the Black Star quest: betrays Azura
A reusable black soul gem is just too great a boon to let go to waste, plus Enthir at the Winterhold College no longer sells Black soul gems After he becomes a fence for the Thieves guild.
It's not a betrayal if you never owned any allaince to them
You are not betraying her. She never told you to recover her star. She just told you to find an elven mage that studies stars and a fortress that is touched by water but not drowned by it. You did exactly that.
I never betray azura
I mean, if The Shivering Isles is canon, the champion essentially becomes Sheogorath, so they don't really have to worry about any Daedra Princes they betrayed because they are one now.
Brynjolf: Drop the main quest
Dragonborn: Why?
Brynjolf: Join my guild
You actually don't need to do his errand, you can just skip straight to the Ratway to get to Esbern
No fuck the theives guild
Lance Storm huh?
@@insanexynn9956 hUh
@@sigmazeta2044 shit I didn't know that through all those years of being into Skyrim
Edit: so thanks for the tip, honestly that errand always annoyed me
I swear most of these could include "Picks a fight with the Dragonborn, a superpowered demi god"
True...the DB has the "Blood and Soul of an Immortal Dragon, with the body of a Mortal"...anyone that isn't a Dragon or a Daedra/Aedra/some-other-god should avoid even LOOKING at the DB wrong.
VampireNewl okay but Mercer Frey had the skeleton key which as we know ‘unlocks the mind’ so he was basically some kind of demigod too
@@thegreywardenherald8923 Only the soul. Not the blood.
Clavicus Vile mentions that he's "almost as powerful as me," when half of Vile's power was in Barbas.
Essentially, he's half as mighty as a god. And that's before he has fully mastered his powers and supposedly defeated Alduin.
Wow Avarti, I lived next to the ocean and still haven’t experienced this much salt before
That’s a good one.
Salt is a way of life
Mercer Frey thought he'd get away with betraying Nocturnal the same way Vivec got away with betraying Azura and (literally) screwing Molag Bal, the same way Clavicus Vile got himself stuck in a cave for a few years, and the same way the Hero of Kvatch got away with ending Mehrunes Dagon's whole (career) invasion and carrying on to Mantle Sheogorath and save the Shivering Isles. Daedra are not omnipotent invincible Mary Sues. They're very much faillible divinities with egos and weaknesses. That's what makes them so interesting.
you can get away with it in life, but your soul is bound to them, so you are pretty much fucked for eternity
Sure... but he is not a great mage, nor the best fighter in the world.
He's just a good thief. Not the best thief, just a good one for the standards of Skyrim.
It would be like Ulfric believing himself a Dragonborn for learning to shout a little.
To be fair, Nocturnal isn't particularly bright either if she got outsmarted by Hrormir in Song of Hrormir.
@@무군 Didn't someone steal something from nocturnal in oblivion as well lol.
@@lynnmorgan5897 Well in that case just either get yourself an in to sovengarde, or swear yourself to a Daedra that isn't completely awful(Yes, Nocturnal is included here. 99% of her nightingale ghosts went insane.)
Like... Hircine is pretty okay. Hunt for eternity, could easily be worse. Meridia is okay too if you manage to not piss her off.
Nocturnal: “Return the key.”
Dragonborn: “No.”
Nocturnal: “Understandable, have a great day.”
Well technically the Dragonborn may have other Daedric Patrons that may protect them against Nocturnal
This is literally my play through right now until I get unbreaking picks
Literally is going to be my playthrough on my wood elf archer.
Nocturnal: "Return my key."
Dragonborn: "Kiss my dick tip."
Nocturnal: "FUCK."
Do “the dragon born is an idiot”
Cause I am certain the daedric legal battle over ownership of your soul with all the quests you’ve done it’ll shake the world
Oh no, the reason the DB is an idiot is because he is a yes man. DB takes orders from everybody and never gives an order to anyone except a follower.
My entire play-through I only gave one order. I ordered a mercenary follower to interact with a pillar to start the Ebony Mail quest (he died).
Man WithCubes same
@@roblaquiere8220 I always have the Parthurnaax dilemma mod, so I also order the blades to shut the fuck up and properly do their work as my bitches.
Then, I the glorious leader of everything, thane of every city, natural calamity of dragons and the wielder of all Daedric artifacts... wade in shit for like.. 10 coins for some farmer.
Cyryl what? What farmer offered you 10 septims?
@@finaladvance5085 Ulfric.
Actually if you have a very low amount of coins on you, Brynjolf will instead comment about how you’re running a bit dry.
I've Walked up to him with no coin and got the same line.
"Never done an honest day's work for all the coin you don't have eh, lad?"
His line is based only on the amount of gold you have
Brynjolf: Never done an honest day’s work for all that coin you’re carrying, eh lad?
Me after killing Alduin and Ulfric: Do you know who I am mate?
He always broke my immersion when passing through riften with that line... Every time I got into Riften I always had a number of achievements that guards and people all over knew about.
Yet word never reached him?
And Miirak and Harkon, being the arch mage of the college, Thane of every hold, harbinger of the companions, the listener of the dark brotherhood... Nope, not a single day
Admiral Phrog7 It’s so annoying!
GreenSheep I’ve gone to Riften when I’ve been dead broke, he even commented on how broke I was..
@L Whether you side with Stormcloaks or Imperials, Ulfric has to die. He betrayed Nordic traditions (the Greybeards and then fought without honour against the High King), he broke under Thalmor investigation, cooperated with Thalmor to 'cause the Markarth incident (the reason Forsworn rebellion is still going on, the Imperials were closing the peace talks with the Forsworn before then), his actions gave the Thalmor leverage to force themselves into Skyrim and enforce outlawing of Talos worship (befre Ulfric actions it was an open secret that everybody in Skyrim worshiped Talos).
He is a weak, selfish man with no leadership qualities beyond scant charisma and the ability to use some simple and weak shouts.
I’m surprised how there aren’t any thieving khajit cats in the thieves guild 🤔
@@aardappelsalade5586 you’re not allowed to steal
@@aardappelsalade5586 im sure they couldnfind a way to sneak a khajiit in if he's proven valuable, or maybe get Maven to allow him a hood pass lol
@@aardappelsalade5586 That's seemingly true, Khajits are not welcome, but it rises another question for me. If I choose Dragonborn to be a Khajit, why they allow us to enter almost every city (except Whiterun)? After escaping Helgen we have no passport or anything like this. Also, when searching for Esbern, a Khajit woman is hired by Thalmor to follow us. She is also allowed in Riften.
@@aardappelsalade5586 Khajiit players: Oh. *proceeds to go in walled cities anyway.*
Theres me
Guard: "what do you do? Fetch the mead?"
Me, wearing Dragonscale armour: *Do I look like I fetch the f*king mead?*
Had this happen once, running around in full ebony armor.
Guard says that very line
Just 2 seconds later her thanks me for killing alduin
Damn son, you got dragonscale armor and you still very early in the Companion questline?
No, but you look like someone who would censor his-self.
Yes
5:53 funny story about that, I had a character that was a priestess and Vilkas from the Companions was her follower when I first encountered Brynjolf. Good job trying to recruit a priestess for the Thieves Guild in front of a member of the Companions, 10/10 immersion.
I thought Mercers house was a gift from Mavin.
It was a gift
@@bassbunnylove I thought that was what Brynjolf says when he sends you there to look for him. 👍
Yup, it was a gift from Mavin. He just pays for the upkeep and hired some guards to keep watch.
For whatever reason I can’t stop thinking about the fact that Mercer probably sneaks out to booty call Maven in the middle of the night.
@@Nautical_Parsnip Nah. She has her standards you know.
I still feel weird that Mercer's voice is the exact same voice as Nick Valentine from Fallout 4, likely a polar opposite; I hate Mercer but I love Nick, probably my most favorite companion.
I have never noticed that... You have just taken my reality and crushed it...
OH. I noticed a few voices in common between the two games, but this....
I think it's also the voice of that guy who runs the riverwood Trader
I actually hated hearing his voice for multiple people in Skyrim, hearing him talk about himself as another character was dumb as ffuuuhhh, multiple times
In all honesty I can see why you would have the same woice actor for several characters but not if that actor woices the main bad guy in one of the biggest guest lines
"Why on earth Mercer Frey, a mortal, thought he could outsmart Nocturnal a Daedric Prince-"
Because the Grey Fox did it. He did it, cucked Nocturnal out of their Cowl using an Elder Scroll, and made the details of doing it highly publicized. The man basically wrote an autobiography labeled "Here's how I fucked over the Daedric Prince Nocturnal."
And we know Frey admired the Grey Fox. So is it any wonder that the man tried to emulate someone that was essentially his idol?
Mercer Frey is not the Grey Fox. Nocturnal knows who Frey is
Did Mercer Frey have an Elder Scroll?
The person who stole the Cowl and the people who wore it got cursed...
It's not the same, the gray fox used an elder scrolls alter reality
Mercer plan was just: grab stuff and run
@@gustavomonteirorodrigues3554 You're confusing the two different Grey Foxes. The first one to steal the Cowl literally just grabbed it and ran. It was the most recent Grey Fox that used the Elder Scroll to change things.
"Not many people are stupid enough to betray a Daedric Prince...."
Ummm... I'll just take my leave then.
haha like getting the mehrunez razor proceed to say i will do whatever i want with the knife, getting the dawnbreaker, then leave it on a coffin inside your house forever, keeping the skeleton key for all the gameplay and not giving it back, telling hermaeus mora "fuck you" TWICE, killing ciceron the only loyal member of dark brother hood, doing both quest of boethia and molag bai while they are enemy daedras, and also saving the orc weak leader on the quest of the volendrung hammer, also disobeing direct order of killing the dog barrabas, yikes the dragon born must be the stupidest person ever existed by fucking every god he finds
agreed this video is ridiculous. Nocturnal didn't even give a shit about Mercer, didn't punish him but punished the guild and Karliah, which makes her 1000x dumber than Mercer. Oh, you know who else is stupider? Karliah and Gallus. Karliah "yeah I totally saw that coming so I shot you with a poisoned arrow duh now get up and join this cult with me" and Gallus "hey I know its a trap but Imma walk into it just like that what could go wrong?"
@@yl6467 she did mate she took away their powers (one of three you can choose from when you return the key ) when mercer stole the key and killed the old guy. Did you even pay attention to the game dialogues or just kept pressing enter till quest started. Edit: Oh and I forgot she did punish guild by giving them bad luck which is why they are in shit shape when you join the guild it only gets fixed when you become the leader, one who returned the key according to lore he forgot to say that in video which would make sense of the fact why Brnjoff was recruiting thieves like a public speaker.
But you are essentially the half-son of the god of time himself and can be the champion of several other daedric gods/godesses
3:08
That’s the thing Avarti. He DID build a lavish lifestyle. And that’s what got his predecessor, Gaius, suspicious of him to begin with.
You know? The guy Mercer murdered to become Guild Master? The guy who’s death he framed on said mans lover?
Also the Grey Fox who stole from Nocturnal is the founder of the Cyrodiil thieves guild. Every other thieves guild by the time of Marrowind onwards is completely independent from each other.
Ah Marrowind now that was a good game.
Yeah and got himself cursed for it. However, theres a bit of a difference between some random thief stealing from Nocturnal and a person who is supposed to be one of her servants sworn to protect her shrine. The former is impressive, the latter is pure stupidity and would be taken as a far greater insult. As such, the Gray Fox got off comparatively lightly with a curse that could be broken, while Mercer will likely end up being used as Nocturnals footstool/punching bag/fed to her ravens for the next eternity.
I'm loving the idiot series please keep videos like this going
Thanks!
Avarti Next do why the Dragonborn is an idiot XD (he/she does a lot of stupid stuff and just does whatever any random person tells them to)
@@AvartiPlaysGames wouldn't the only guild left be Companions? I don't see Kodlak as an idiot, but idk
We need "why the Dragonborn is an idiot."
If the Skeleton Key can unlock _anything,_ can't he just _unlock_ the secret to eternal life and thus postpone his servitude indefinitely?
Makes me wonder if both Miraak and Mankar Camoran went for the wrong patron Daedra. The Prince of Forbidden Knowledge and The Prince of Destruction hold unimaginable power, but if you want that power for _yourself,_ your best bet is to _steal_ it.
that's why he is an idiot
He will only be able to escape dying of old age but not from being murdered.
Your right
Mercer truly didn’t lose because he pissed off Nocturnal -
*he lost because he pissed me (and whoever else played the thieves guild) off*
Found Jotaro
Also, the Grey Fox in Oblivion was way smarter. He actually successfully ripped off Nocturnal because he broke the curse and rewrote history to where the curse doesn't even exist. Not only that but he got his old life back being a count of Anvil with his wife and the cherry on top is he got Lex to be his right hand man, the guy who was hunting him down for ages and NO ONE will ever know this because the Hero of Kavatch has the cowl so everyone will only see him as the Grey Fox. Honestly, you need to do a video on the Grey Fox as a companion to this video, showing what an intelligent Thieves Guild leader does.
Mercer never has to worry about what Nocturnal will do with his soul after his death in my playthroughs. As far as I’m aware she has no way of retrieving it from the soul cairn.
That poses an interesting question. When the Dragonborn dies, who gets their soul?
@@Smasho8000 I always thought that there will be a great war between the Daedra for his soul
Metalhead10000 Akatosh will claim it. No matter what happens or how the Dragonborn dies his soul will go back to Akatosh the same way Alduin’s does
uno bruh momento I imagine all the daedric lords would be pretty pissed if the Dragonborn made deals with them which should seal the soul’s destiny but doesn’t because Akatosh is like “bitch, that belongs to me”.
Ouch...
Who steals from a guild of THIEVES??? I mean, they are GONNA hunt you down for that.
Jason .C a guild of thieves that was a shadow of its former self.
@@SpookyMarine still, they are gonna hunt you down when you leave and they finally recover. It won't be pretty. And that does not even CONSIDER what nocturnal would do to him...
Jason .C True but my point was that the thieves guild had really lost its touch and Mercer played on that fact.
Yeah the nightingale and nocturnal would be a problem but Nocturnal was really relying on the nightingale which was down to its last member getting to recruiting both you and Byrnolf (who was really reluctant on the fact)
Karliah was not willing to cross blades with Mercer which implies Mercer was a far superior swordsman. It’s hard to say if without the Dragonborn if the nightingale could even take down Mercer. So is it really fair to call Mercer an idiot if he’s pretty much on par and perhaps even superior when it comes to stealth and swordsmanship to the other nightingale, one of which he was able to kill, and frame the other? In my opinion, no.
If Mercer can take on a nightingale, then how would the thieves guild be able to touch him? He could cut down all their members easily, and outsmart them. Considering he killed a guild master and took his place and turned the entire guild against the nightingale.... yeah I doubt the thieves guild would be able to effectively hunt him down without the nightingale.
@@jasonc584 If you're dragonborn then no worries.
It took the Dragon born, and a Nightengale to even get them to see they were getting money stolen. Even then, Mercer could have framed Karliah if the DragonBorn did end up dying in the ruins.
Why does everyone's hair look dumb?
Spaceman Spliff mod probably
they wash their hair with the dirty canal water
Theory:
The guilds recruitment system and everything else Mercer does is just part of the plan to get his soul send to my bro Sheogorath after he dies, because that's the only thing that makes sense
Retry the game and go to riften with 0 gold and he wont say you have alot of coin. He will actually bring up you being poor this time
@@fredr0fc It's that he approaches you so openly that is the issue.
The way they introduce new people should be more secretive.
Or they should follow Dark Brotherhoods example and go for people who they are certain support that way of living.
Or get this: Brinjolf knew you were the Dragonborn.
I'm loving this series! Your pace is so freaking good, is the kind of stuff you can put in the background, not put your 100% of attention and still understand everything talked about in the video, 10/10 would recommend
I actually use elder scrolls lore videos to sleep and I can say that it works well
Thank you :)
Dragonborn: Excuse me sir.. Could you tell me how to get to...
Sigurd: I work for Belethor, at the general goods store.
Dragonborn: Yeeeahhh, that's cool, but could you...
Sigurd: I work for Belethor, at the general goods store.
Dragonborn: Ok, we JUST talked about that. I just need...
Sigurd: I work for..
Dragonborn: You know what? Screw you, man. I'm gonna go find someone who knows this town.
Dragonborn: Excuse me, sir, could you...
Nazeem: Do you get to the cloud district very often? Oh, what am I saying? Of course you don't.
Dragonborn: Actually, that's where I'm trying to...
Nazeem: Do you get to the cloud district....
Dragonborn: Man.. Screw this town AND the dragons. I'm gonna go do side quests. Good luck, weirdos! I'm out.
Why Cicero is a GENIUS - Skyrim Dark Brotherhood Lore
He was smart in telling you to lie about his death. And he just stick true to the bb's teachings
I think theres an arguement to be made that Mercer wasnt a total idiot. The skeleton key can unlock a lot more than just doors. Perhaps he planned to unlock the secrets to immortality. If he was successful, he had no reason to rush his plans. He could do it slowly and carefully
That's why he's so powerful, in-lore, and why he can blast the cave apart in the final battle. He unlocked his physical potential and was apparently planning to try to unlock his lifespan.
@@WhiteManOnCampus Unfortunately he didn't unlock the ability to ignore gravity. I FUS-RO-DAH'd him off the statue.
Maybe he was going to unlock the door of his chosen afterlife.
"Who would trade a few mortal years of prosperity for an eternity of torture and punishment"
This hit me deep cause it sounds alot like Hell/Afterlife.
I had to pause the video and think for a second after he said that
Gee it’s almost as if Oblivion is the Elder Scrolls version of hell..
Avarti: Not many people are stupid enough to betray a Daedric Prince
Me: *Nervous laughter
4:15 bottom left corner,
I always feel like somebody's watching me
And I have no privacy
I always feel like somebody's watching me
Tell me is it just a dream?
This is timely, I just finished up the Thieves Guild quest. Lol
wow, It took you 8 years???
@@Balinux 10,000 comedians out of work and you're trying to be one.
@@joshuabillings5108 Apparently it works...
@@joshuabillings5108. Is that a Roast or a Compliment? Or Both?
Last time a roast was this fire Mehrunes Dagon was storming the imperial city
After what she did to my boy Darien I could care less for what nocturnal wants
@Sarah Rogers a character in ESO
I think Meridia is the one you're thinking of.
Nocturnal is awesome
FricknA both are kind of responsible
Peryite You are just upset because Nocturnal is a stronger Daedric Prince then you
"My wealth is none of your business!"
"Thats where you're wrong lad, wealth is my business."
Maybe, but MY wealth is none of your damn business, sneak thief!
Also gotta love how he drew himself stealing the falmer eyes
That recruitment reason is the reason i got a mod that makes brynjolf not approach you until you have a specific level in various thief skills and stolen a certain amounts worth of goods. Makes much more sense
Well we can probably say that the lore it isn't the dragon born and he probably didn't came to the person, the person came to him with a robbed good and he noticed it, and then he presented himself
I fully know where you got your profile picture...
Noice.
I like when my character has a bunch of sneak /middle gear and Mercer goes “you’re quite loud for someone who claimed to be a thief.”
Big talk for the guy who screams and charges at every draugr instead of trying to hide
So fucking true.
"Like, bitch, you're supposed to be an accomplished thief, not a damn berserker who throws stealth out the window."
This dumbass tripped every wire on the way to find Karliah. He even got smacked with the spike door. Man took no accountability and I honestly just let him feebly fight all the draugr by himself while I sat in a shadowy corner, silently munching on bread.
If he betrayed Nocturnal, then got the mask of the grey fox, he could have escaped his fate by erasing history.
Maybe he was a genius.
Caveat: the mentally I have always thought went with Nocturnal's curse on the cowl was something of a backhanded compliment. She was impressed that someone stole from her as much as she was angry, so the curse made whoever wore it the best criminal possible but also made it so the couldn't have a personal life. A "I gave you EXACTLY what you wished for" sort of curse.
He broke the #1 rule of the elder scrolls.
You can fight dadric princes, even defeat them. but you can NEVER betray them.
But everyone betrays Azura for the Black Star
@@primary2630 bruh, I literally made the pure Star because it feels more authentic, can't say I would use Black Star anyway
Well now hold on, if the dragonborn meets his full potential, he should be on par with a dedric prince, which would make the deal null and void
@@cherrycoyote55 "on par" lol
@@ProfessionalScofflaw I can't tell if your laughing because you overestimate dedric Prince's, or underestimate the dragonborn
If you cross the thieves guild to the degree mercer did i wouldnt put it past brynolf to use the back sacrament and mercer would likely become arnbjourns snack.
He's really going on a roast streak
brinjolf's approach isn't random actually. By meeting a set of requirements, it's revealed in dialogue, that he knew more or less a bout the dragon born since, he/she was stopped by the guards at the gate. he gained enough knowledge by "sizing your mark" and approached the DB comfortably.
That dialogue about your money only appears if you have more than 300 gold, btw. If you have less, he says that you need to earn some or something.
Drago 303 and considering most of us got that money from butchering bandits, and possibly theft... yeah he’s completely correct in saying we didn’t earn it cleanly.
ULTRA MEHREEN if we murdered bandits we most certainly earned it fairly though...
Mark McGehee I said *cleanly* not fairly
ULTRA MEHREEN they are bandits, killing them is a serivce to some, some who would want them made examples of and might not be able to pay for their deaths, plus you break the economy if you throw away money you killed for.
ULTRA MEHREEN oh wait I read that wrong twice,
Avarti: Not many people are stupid enough to betray a daedric prince apart from Mercer Frey
Miraak: Am I a joke to you?
Emer Dareloth, thief of The Gray Cowl also stole from Nocturnal
Well, look where that got Miraak. Skewered on a tentacle. Not exactly a good time
Georgiy Kireev I can see Mercer Frey in the afterlife now
Imagine him just sitting on the steps of the twilight sepulchre in his spectral form while person after person comes in thinking they’re gonna get guidance on using the pilgrims path and Mercer just like:
“Through that way. Warning: You’ll probably die.”
And when someone says shit he’s like:
“What’s the point in being nice about it? Nocturnal is making me pay off this betrayal by spending millennia’s here and I’m bored already!”
@@hayato1886 Yes, but Emer never promised his soul and servitude to Nocturnal, he got her approval due to his skill and audacity, Mercer disrespected her with his betrayal.
I love how he sounds like Nick Valentine. I really like this voice actor.
They are the same VA
Brynjolf is essentially the really creepy guy in the alley going, "Hey kid, wanna make a couple of bucks?"
I translated gallus’s journal and it says that mercer was spending large amounts of coin, also maul was hired by gallus and he found evidence of mercer spending the money on luxuries
I love this new serious dude make more you have so much potential and lore from the chicken necromancer to the guy that tries to take over Skyrim with skeevers under the wine factory in Whiterun 😂👊 good work Lad.
You should make the jump to fallout specifically for Arthur maxon.
Parker Quinn for first video of Fallout Idiots.
As says a saying we have here in Brazil: "a thief who steals from a thief has 100 years of pardon". Maybe Mercer took that a little too seriously.
Personally I actually liked Mercer frey. So I’m going to play the devils advocate and disagree with you that he’s an idiot.
Nocturnal and the skeleton key:
Nocturnals skeleton keys has many allegedly mystical powers in the lore. In the game it’s a lot more boring albeit helpful being basically an unlimited lockpick, but lore wise it’s alleged that the key can open up any door, even to other dimensions. It’s possible that if Mercer wanted to he could escape death itself. Or if not that gain the knowledge of how to by using the skeleton key to obtain it. Maybe by going to hermaous moras dimension and reading one of his black books perhaps? This is obviously no guarantee that nocturnal wouldn’t just bump him off of course, she is a daedric prince after all. But there is at least some logic to stealing the skeleton key. There is also another possible reason why he stole the key, because he’d know that nocturnal would try to curse it. Think about it. Mercer has been planning to steal from the thieves guild for a long time. Probably before he murdered gallas. If you were Mercer who despite being wealthy and the leader of the thieves guild, was surrounded by equally wealthy people with a lot of power and influence. How would you go about weakening them? You’d cut off their revenue naturally. The curse of nocturnal, even if it would reduce the amount of money you’d be able to steal from them, would still be largely a boon to you in the long run. Because unlike everyone else you wouldn’t be affected by it due to you owning the skeleton key. If Mercer has succeeded he could’ve effectively had a monopoly on thieving THROUGH nocturnal.
Stealing from the thieves guild:
My guess to why he stole the gold and dipped out as quickly as possible was so that he could get out of the thieves guilds range. This obviously didn’t happen because the Dragonborn caught up with him but seeing how he’d been doing this for quite a while it’s entirely possible that he could’ve gotten away with it. Once he was out of range he could’ve hired hitmen to kill the already weakened thieves guild without putting himself at risk. From then on he could’ve spent the rest of his days or even eternity as an immortal thief living a life of luxury.
Kabbfix Wow Plus on the afterlife side of things, Nocturnal is business-orientated and she isn’t Molag Bal or Mehrunes Dagon. She wouldn’t torture and torment Mercer, she’d make him repay his debt, probably by guarding the Twilight Sepulchre for an insanely long time.
But him betraying the guild by killing the guild leader who was part of the Nightingales and stealing the key deeply affected everyone in the guild him included. He literally thought he could get away with it knowing some of the members don't fuck around, he ain't that sneaky leaving behind evidence unlike his conrad Kaliah who hid from them for 25 years and slowly started to get back at mercer without them figuring out it was her.
Him using the skeleton key the way he did is like using Volendrung as a door knocker.
I mean, he didn't hire even a few mercenaries to kill THE FREAKING DRAGONBORN. It's not exactly a secret, every guard in Tamriel knows about you!
Probably because he realizes it was kinda pointless to do so.
The fact that Brynjolf calls me a thief when all of my 7k septims was given me from all the grateful people I saved and I can't knock his teeth out hurts too much!
Well, Astrid and Mercer are done, only Savos Aren and Kodlak Whitemane left... Well, and maybe Viarmo. What? He's made vid about the leaders of DarkBrotherhood and Thieves'Guild, it won't be fair if he didn't make one each for CollegeOfWinterhold and TheCompanions (and maybe Bards'College too) LOL
Am I the only one who thinks that Savos should have been the antagonist of the college plot line ?
It would have been a *good* subversion of our expectations by also being predictable if you looked at the right elements (like his reaction to you saying that something strange happened in Saarthal and his first reaction is thinking that students died again and that he will have to hide the proof or something, all very calmly). Honestly, it would have been better had he been the one to go mad with the power of the eye, on top of better building the character it would have made Ancano and the Thalmor less one dimensional by being actually here to observe and monitor things because the Thalmor doesn't trust human with magic as they will probably do stupid things with it (it is to me the most logical reason why he was sent there knowing the past of the Thalmor, I think that they have grown very patronising now that they have come out of their isolationism)......
I won't go too much into this but log story short : Savos should have been the villain, the questline and everyone involved would have been better off
Not to mention Isran, Haarkon, etc
@@sephikong8323 I would have loved that. Anything to make Ancano less just a generic bad guy who does bad things because he's evil.
This has been one of my favorite series of any TH-camr. Thank you and keep going.
Thank you :)
This gives Nocturnal your soul...although: I get the meta theory of each guild being a different life option lol: by the end...the DB's soul is promised out...to a COUPLE of Daedric Prince's lol. They'll have to fight over it.
This is exactly what happened when I bet my soul at Uno a couple of times. I lost each time, and now the guys who won gotta fight over my soul after I die.
Daedra can't claim your soul either way, due to it being a dragon soul. It just adds to the shithousery honestly
This is seriously the best skyrim youtube series there is.
Another idiotic thing Mercer did was to stab the Dragonborn after Karliah shot him... you were there with him, hunting down Karliah, a powerful ally
I survived also I got to remove his head
@@Twilight24682 Yeah, not like he was using it for anything -'J
No well he deserved it for stabbing me and betraying the nightingales
@@Twilight24682 ...personally, I never gave two shits for any of the Daedra, or their servants... or thieves in general for that matter. Mercers betrayal of a Daerdric Prince and nearly destroying the Thieves guild are two things I highly respect about him.. but yeah, betraying his ally, the Got danged Dragonborn, that was inexcusable, and immensely stupid
@@thoruszwolf4153 I always thought that part was stupid
I love it when I’m early game, dressed in another hold’s guard armor OR as an imperial scout, and Brynolf wanders up wondering if I’d like to make a little coin with some thievery. 😂 cracks me up every time.
*Moral of the story:* Never try to betray a Daedric Prince!
No do it’s fun
Even mannimarco couldn't escape
Daedric Princes aren't that powerful tbh. Sotha-Sil and Tiber Septim both surpassed them all in godlike power.
K Cos if you're referring to the clock work city dlc daedric princes aren't as powerful out of their realms if sotha sil was in the evergloam nocturnal would have wrecked him
@@peryite9979 Sotha-Sil had the ability to create, whereas the Daedra are bound by the laws of Mundus when they refused to give up their power for the mortal realms creation. The Daedra cannot create, they can only cause chaos and change. Sotha-Sil CAN create AND cause chaos AND kept his physical form, unlike the divines. It's a catch-all.
But even further than that, it is postulated that Sotha-Sil ascended beyond the realms of the gods. And perhaps Talos ascended even further than he.
Talos is the same, he created the verdant grasslands of Cyrodil, so he too can create, and he too can cause chaos, and he too kept his physical form. An argument could be made that Talos is closer to the primordial forces that created the divines than he is a divine.
"Not many people are stupid enough to betray a daedric prince"
Me who never played but kinda wants to: well I guess I'll be stupid then if I get the chance that is
Imagine Mercer receiving the note from the dark brotherhood in his rich clothes and rich life in Bruma 🤔 or imagine Astrid trying to kill him 🤔
Thing is Mercer was nk slouch as a pretty good swordsman and and so stealthy he was described as a 'shadow killing men' she just might GET killed.
Brynolf actually approaches you with different dialogue depending on how much gold you have.
If you don't have a significant amount of gold, he instead comes to you purposing more means for you to obtain gold. Gesturing at your near empty wallet.
Remember that he had the Skeleton key. The longer the user carries it, the more strange powers it unlocks withing him. We can verify this is the final battle against Frey. He may have outwitted Nocturnal indefinitely or even surpassed her power at some point.
Nah, unless he had somehow achieved Chim, he would not have been able to outsmart a Daedric prince.
@@Redshift2077 That's just it, he might 'unlock' CHIM. Or even an isolated oblivion realm to secure himself.
@@Balinux That is actually a valid theory
@@Redshift2077 Sorry I'm not knowledgeable about ES lore, what is Chim?
Nocturnal could just shut that effect of the Key off or she could just wait till key jumps to another Wielder leaving Mercer Frey powerless and just a reminder achieving CHIM makes you immortal so that's definitely not the case
I cannot reconcile this with Stephen Russell’s voice acting
Why are the Thieves Guild surprised when they find their vault empty? I thought they had fallen on hard times and were basically broke. They shouldn't even had wealth if that was the case!
There should be something. Some old trophies, mementos, some sensitive paperwork, results of Dragonborns actions.
@@cyryl3827 makes sense, but the optional trophies you collect are all displayed on Mercers shelf in the hideout.
They mentioned that plans for future heists were supposed to be there too
I find it funny i basically "returned the Thieves Guild to its former glory" without even finishing the guild questline. Heck, by the time i completed all the special city jobs, I still had to tail that lizard in the docks.
Why Paarthurnax is AWESOME! :P
Good idea. I was thinking of branching into videos about 'smart' / 'good' NPC's to juxtapose the idiots
AMAZING idea!
@@AvartiPlaysGames Sweet! Looking forward to it! Love your videos, man!
Nope he isn’t
The Last Dragonborn Where did Paarthurnax touch you to make you hate him so much?
2:09 Also Blasphemy in almost every religion is an unforgiveable sin
"Who on Earth would trade a few mortal years of prosperity and wealth for an eternity of torture and torment?"
But unlike them Mercer knows that that there is an afterlife and that his soul belongs to a daedric prince he betrayed.
@@Hektols he has the skeleton key which can unlock anything, immorality, godhood, choice of afterlife
I mean...in fairness, giving that key back was like the very last thing I did in this game before starting a new save and Nocturnal doesn't seem TOO bothered.
One mosquito can kill a Human.
One Human can kill a God.
It has to be a special mosquito, it has to be an exceptional human.
Mercer is.. a somewhat talented thief. Daedric artifacts sooner or later come back to their Daedra on their own.
Even Daedra prefer not to engage other Daedra in their own realms.
I can confirm that Brynjolf will approach the player even if you haven't stolen any gold. The way Brynjolf recruits people is like how a person you haven't seen in a long time suddenly tries to recruit you in a pyramid scheme.
I disn’t need a video to know this, but good video
Least incompetent frey
can't watch 5 mins into this your voice murders my will to live
My headcannon? He had the cowl of the grey fox. He has a bust of the grey fox in his house, so he's clearly familiar with the item. It would allow him to steal the money and the jewels, and then disappear forever.
Mercer frey is not an idiot; he is the smartest in the whole guild. His Achilles' heel was greed, and that's what defeated him. 'A thief who steals from another thief has a thousand years of forgiveness.'"
I couldn't care less about the Key, the Guild or even Nocturnal.
But when he stabbed me after all I'd done for his merry band of thieves, I made it my personal mission to steal his fucking soul.
Can you do a video on why you should not side with the Stormcloaks?
What about why you shouldn't join the empire? (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
What about why you shouldn't join either?
@@madhouse2594 Strange reply to come from you General... you'd best hope the Emperor doesn't hear word of this
@@audileyeti4478 Don't tell the emperor, understand soldier?
@@madhouse2594 How about you withdraw all imperial forces from the provence of Skyrim a proclaim it to be an independent nation here on and we call it a deal ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Honestly i like thieves guild a lot. It has shit ton of mildly interesting NPCs in it not to mention their playstyle is seriously interesting. I always liked sneaky playstyles. They also have an established story for themselves. Also brynjolf is a bro.
Pft... An idiot?
Step one: Get rich ripping off a god
Step two: become an immortal vampire.
😏
Step three: Become Molag Baal's bitch.
If Mercer returned the key or even planned to do so nocturnal probably would have applauded him, like Mercer said she could care less about the guild or the nightingales, she only cares that her key was stolen.
Had whiplash when i saw Brynjolf had this k-popstar, host, model haircut. Guess all that thieving money went to his stylist
*demigod that kills Alduin, Ulfric Stormcloak, and assassinates the Emperor*
Random guy in Thieves Guild: “So…you’re Brynjolf’s new protige, huh? You don’t look like much to me”
Forget the thieves guild finding out, Mercer's real worry would be the IRS.
Pretty much everybody who almost killed the dragonborn is an idiot because they’re just gonna die from a dragon right after
Dragonborn: You think you can just steal from us and walk away?
Mercer: Yeah.
Dragonborn: so you have chosen death
"Your end is neeeeeeeear!!!"
The only best thing about Mercer Frey.
Karliah was quoted saying that the key can unlock untapped potential in one's self given enough time with the key, so I wonder if he thought he could potentially use it to make himself imortal.
I loved the irony of the guild being pissed that mercer stole everything out of their vault. I despise thieves in real life, and pretty much forced myself through the guild quest line for the achievements
During the quest with him as a guest, make sure to spam "Marked for death" on him for an easy kill at the end
I love the thieves guild because the NPC's in there are the nicest in the entire game. All of them treat you with decency and respect.
Brynjolf's opening speech is right on the money if you're the Arch-Mage of Winterhold though
"Not many people are stupid enough to betray a Daedric Prince."
Mannimarco: *exists*