I just *really* want to see someone time someone out with the infinite, that'd be really funny. Also, getting hit by an infinite probably feels way worse than getting hit by a zero to death, no matter how hard it might be
It feels like ever since they were introduced footstools have consistently allowed for some of the cheesiest, most broken techniques in all of Smash...and yet no one ever uses them lol
It's because footstools are actually not that easy to use. This infinite is an exception though. I am talking more about the aerial footstools. When character get in the spinning animation it is a pretty tight window where you have be so close to the spot of her head and just time your jump before right. No one actually talks about that but footstools are not that easy to get (on purpose). Also when you try to do a footstool you are obviously open for any attack so it's also a bit of a risky option if they are not in hitstun already.
Footstools should be removed from the game, or at least togglable on/off. The cause too much accidents offstage and onstage, plus the phantom footstool has intangibility for no reason. On stage : player landing on opponent who's shielding, and instead of doing an aerial , they double jump to bait a party or shield drop, and whiff punish with the double jump aerial. However depending on jump height and timing and height of the opponent, a phantom footstool occurs, which completely ruins this. Because footstools don't have a dedicated input button, and they put opponents in vulnerability without being assigned to an attack button
@@Super_EpicGuy No it’s just a meme in the Greninja community at this point lol. If you don’t hold in after head bonking out of Hydro Pump, you won’t snap to ledge and can SD.
When Sakurai said he was "surprisingly weak" in his early build, I wonder if Harada was in the vicinity to see it and asked how they could, you know, just make him better. I don't think the Lv 9 CPUs are capable of pulling infinites, so however they're testing the character may be limited in the extent of testing for these situations. But 90% of the cast is a lot...
@@happyducky9872 Yeah, I doubt people are just gonna be able to pick up the exact way to execute on each character individually without extensive labbing, but the devs don't need much reason to patch out infinites.
@@tiffyw92 It's actually just about the exact same inputs on every character, but some of them have a smaller frame window than others, which is what makes it hard
That is not even close to being an infinite. Stature Smash is only +12 on hit, and Side B takes 16 frames. I know they let a lot through the cracks, but y'all need to give at least a little credit to the game testers, that would be one of the first things they test to make sure it's not an infinite
I‘ve got some Kazuya tech i thunk might be useful. For basically the entire duration of crouchdash you can cancel it into jump and then the jumpsquat into his specials. Though for some reason he only cancels his jumpsquat with up-b and none of the other specials. I think this can be useful at kill%. You could approach and dodge attacks and then punish yourself. I think the most useful are up and down b and then side b for shmix and neutral b is just kinda useless. You can also wavedash out if it. Dont know if anyone already noticed this. Heard no one talk about it and im not seeing people online do it. Oh yeah also you gotta have the stick neutral before you can jump out
Actually, if you put the stick to neutral, you can cancel crouch dash into literally any other input, including the start of another crouch dash input. That's how people do really fast crouch dash chains. Also, the reason that you can only cancel jump squat with up B is because there are a set amount of things jump squat is cancellable into, which are just Up B and Up Smash, and for reasons, Kazuya, and just Kazuya, is able to cancel jump squat into up back tilt and up forward tilt
Sorry for the late reply, I got distracted by other things, but detethered Luma still can't do anything during the time Rosa is in the crumple or footstool animation
So, just to check. This works off of grounded footstool, which is a universal out of shield option. So kazuya has an OOS infinite? RIP me (and everyone else)
Of course for pokemon trainer it dosent work for squirtle and ivysaur but completely fine against charizard. Man smash really needs a new mechanic for anti infinites against superheavies to make it so they recover twice as fast if they get hit by more than 3-4 seperate moves in quick succession so heavies can stop being combo cheesed into the blast zone 24/7.
This one isn't actually a super heavy thing, it straight up doesn't work against Dedede. It's all about how a characters animation is when they gat footstooled, but also Charizard is really easy going back to front because he really sticks his head out with his long neck
@@Super_EpicGuy I'm more so talking about in general, even if this one is purely animation based it still ruins the fun for both the player and the opponent. There are definitely people watching this that are only gonna play kazuya just to practice this all day and abuse it just like luigi's zero to death and it's plain disrespectful. I know asking for balance in a smash game is silly and stupid but man out of every fighting game this one really really REALLY hates all big characters.
@@lordninetails514 See, this infinite isn't much of a problem, because Kazuya has a 0td off of like half his moves lmao. You'd be far better off practicing Electric Wind God Fist into consistency, because that's what really unlocks all his ridiculous zero to deaths
The 10 Hit combo already has a massive SDI multiplier. Just wiggle the stick in the direction away from Kazuya, and you shouldn't be getting hit by even 5 hits of it
I can guaruntee you it does, I've tested this extensively. There's a little known mechanic in this game, some call it Footstool Lockout, where you cannot footstool someone within 16 frames after an attack of yours ends. Go frame by frame, Side B Bayo, and after the Side B animation ends and you're acyionable, wait 8 frames before you jump, then jump, Kazuya will be airborne frame 16 because of his 7 frame jumpsquat, and from there you can wait one more frame to make sure you are close enough to actually footstool Bayonetta on a part of her hurtbox that can be footstooled, and press jump
How come when i try to footstool, it never works. I jump RIGHT above them and i still land in front or behind them... what kind of SHIT game is this...
@@zdenshadowdragonbyzideodi8819 I can't help you with landing footstools in general, but if you're trying to do the infinite frame by frame in training mode to start out, it would help to know about a little known mechanic some call Footstool Lockout. Basically, the game prevents you from doing a footstool within 16 frames after the end of any attack animation, I assume to prevent situations exactly like this. In the infinite, you need to delay your jump long enough so that once you're airborne, those 16 frames are up and you can actually footstool your opponent. I'm going to add information on Footstool Lockout to the doc, though I haven't gotten to it yet
I mean, he mainly makes tech videos on the trending stuff because why wouldn't you, but he has done character specific things on not DLC characters before, like the ICs infinite and Mewtwo's Confusion trap
Not all infinites are patched. The ICs one GimR previously showed off still isn't patched, and Ness has an infinite, which was extensively tested by Oetam, the other dude shouted out in the video, that hasn't been patched yet either
@@cerdi_99 No, that one was also patched, they made it take longer for Diddy to have the ability to throw out a second banana after he threw out the first
@@Super_EpicGuy I'm pretty sure there's a variation that makes it long enough that it let's u throw another banana. Maybe with a footstool?? I don't remember lmao but I'm almost 100% sure I've seen it after they patched it
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Honestly the infinites don’t feel that insane when he can just 0-death 100% of the cast but cool nonetheless
This is so true LOL.
How weird that an infinite is his less broken stuff, isn’t it?
I just *really* want to see someone time someone out with the infinite, that'd be really funny. Also, getting hit by an infinite probably feels way worse than getting hit by a zero to death, no matter how hard it might be
@@Super_EpicGuy
Infinites only feel worse when they are either dragged out to ridiculous percents or if they build damage really slow.
@@Teknanam wobbling met those 2 conditions haha
Crazy they found an infinite that works on Shulk
*impossible*
K, dropping shulk, fuck this character
On who?
@@Tiggy227 she hulk
Crazy how Shulk never seems to reach his supposed "full potential" in this game for one reason or another.
Yoooo! Thank you so much for the shoutout! I really appreciate it!
I took those 5 seconds he gave to subscribe. Great find! Keep up the work :)
You deserve it bro. People that do all the dirty work figuring out this stuff deserve recognition
I subbed!
Np Problem you deserve it! I know that lab session must have taken for ever!
@@GimR from 27 to 700 subs lol
Feels like the devs just always forget to test characters with footstools
The way you worded this makes it sound like only specific characters have footstools
Mythra
It feels like ever since they were introduced footstools have consistently allowed for some of the cheesiest, most broken techniques in all of Smash...and yet no one ever uses them lol
Fox: fair footstool
It's because footstools are actually not that easy to use. This infinite is an exception though. I am talking more about the aerial footstools. When character get in the spinning animation it is a pretty tight window where you have be so close to the spot of her head and just time your jump before right. No one actually talks about that but footstools are not that easy to get (on purpose). Also when you try to do a footstool you are obviously open for any attack so it's also a bit of a risky option if they are not in hitstun already.
Footstools should be removed from the game, or at least togglable on/off.
The cause too much accidents offstage and onstage, plus the phantom footstool has intangibility for no reason.
On stage : player landing on opponent who's shielding, and instead of doing an aerial , they double jump to bait a party or shield drop, and whiff punish with the double jump aerial.
However depending on jump height and timing and height of the opponent, a phantom footstool occurs, which completely ruins this.
Because footstools don't have a dedicated input button, and they put opponents in vulnerability without being assigned to an attack button
the ics mains have been using them since release for busted combos. Yes, they’re broken and yeah, they’re easy
People are too lazy... And nobody seems to wanna step up and win a lot.
I swear kazuya doesn't even feel like a real smash character this shit is wild
Yeah his hand is weird when you do dragon uppercut and his body is twisted 360 when you do roundhouse kick. Use the camera and you'll see what I mean.
@@bruhm0ment6000 that's been a thing since the ps1
@@leukashot123 I sure as hell wouldn't buy Tekken 7 if they gave me doodoo graphics and bad model design.
@@bruhm0ment6000 that's just how it is to make the animations more fluid in real time. it happening in smash is purely a reference to it
@@bruhm0ment6000 did you play smash 4
90% of cast: Guess I’ll just die
Other 10%: Welcome to the club.
1:28 Why am I not surprised to see “HOLD IN” written under Greninja?
That is a good question.
I actually don't know, is there something funny about Greninja footstool animation?
@@Super_EpicGuy No it’s just a meme in the Greninja community at this point lol. If you don’t hold in after head bonking out of Hydro Pump, you won’t snap to ledge and can SD.
@@apolotion Oh, lol, I see
HOLD
IN
Glad to see sakurai is making fair and balanced characters:)
did you tell me to not jump over somebody’s gamecube controller wire at a small tournament in canada like 4 years ago?
very possible.
@@GimR el em ay oh
@@Asberrrrrr you’re fired
@@yoshikagekira564 h a y a t o
When Sakurai said he was "surprisingly weak" in his early build, I wonder if Harada was in the vicinity to see it and asked how they could, you know, just make him better.
I don't think the Lv 9 CPUs are capable of pulling infinites, so however they're testing the character may be limited in the extent of testing for these situations. But 90% of the cast is a lot...
90% is just technically applicable, not necessarily realistically
@@happyducky9872 Yeah, I doubt people are just gonna be able to pick up the exact way to execute on each character individually without extensive labbing, but the devs don't need much reason to patch out infinites.
@@tiffyw92 It's actually just about the exact same inputs on every character, but some of them have a smaller frame window than others, which is what makes it hard
>Sees my main, Dedede, is not subject to the infinite
*HEHEHEH I AM A SUPAHSTAR WARRIOR*
When you main one of the 10% it doesn't work on: *LFG*
When Kazuya can just 0 to Death you in a billion different ways anyway: :(
As a fellow microscopic TH-camr I really respect the shoutout. to Super EpicGuy
Great job superepicguy!
I hope, when this gets patched, they don't fix it by changing how grounded footstools work.
stfu
Lord Gimz giving the most credit possible to a small content creator. Good stuff
Piranha plant players have the ultimate advantage
Not according to the chart
"He can't keep getting away with this!!!!!"
Thx to that five seconds, i could subcribe to your epic channel
Thank you so much!
good luck on the new house/apartment Gimr.
And thanks for the cool tech.
“It’s back to the lab with me, see you guys next time and thanks for WAAAAAA!”
Inb4 people say it should stay in the game despite the bunch of other zero to deaths being patched out
He needs it :smile:
To be fair this seems pretty hard to pull off consistently compared to other 0 to deaths
Your head looks like kazuyas but upside down(sorry)
Kazuya is a very strong man
This man is Mattshea without hair and with a different beard.
You can just side-B to down-away to side-b to down-away, etc
That is not even close to being an infinite. Stature Smash is only +12 on hit, and Side B takes 16 frames. I know they let a lot through the cracks, but y'all need to give at least a little credit to the game testers, that would be one of the first things they test to make sure it's not an infinite
I like your videos I just wish they were longer
Wait but GimR...can't you just getup attack?
I'm surprised you're the first person to say that
I‘ve got some Kazuya tech i thunk might be useful. For basically the entire duration of crouchdash you can cancel it into jump and then the jumpsquat into his specials. Though for some reason he only cancels his jumpsquat with up-b and none of the other specials. I think this can be useful at kill%. You could approach and dodge attacks and then punish yourself. I think the most useful are up and down b and then side b for shmix and neutral b is just kinda useless. You can also wavedash out if it.
Dont know if anyone already noticed this. Heard no one talk about it and im not seeing people online do it.
Oh yeah also you gotta have the stick neutral before you can jump out
Maybe its absolute ass didnt try it out yet
Actually, if you put the stick to neutral, you can cancel crouch dash into literally any other input, including the start of another crouch dash input. That's how people do really fast crouch dash chains.
Also, the reason that you can only cancel jump squat with up B is because there are a set amount of things jump squat is cancellable into, which are just Up B and Up Smash, and for reasons, Kazuya, and just Kazuya, is able to cancel jump squat into up back tilt and up forward tilt
Wait, I was mixed up, you gotta reset the stick to neutral, initiate a walk, then you can do literally any input from that walk
Was the combo tested with a detethered Luma? Luma dethered has less restrictions on when it can act with an immobilized Rosalina.
No, actually, I'll go test that right now, thanks for bringing it to my attention
Sorry for the late reply, I got distracted by other things, but detethered Luma still can't do anything during the time Rosa is in the crumple or footstool animation
Gimr, please, the poor meta can't handle all of this
Kazuya is gonna be so hard to nerf lmao when he has like 26 dif 0-death combos
So, just to check. This works off of grounded footstool, which is a universal out of shield option. So kazuya has an OOS infinite? RIP me (and everyone else)
Yeah it does, but Kazuya's jumpsquat is 7 frames, so it's way slower than anyone else. It's still technically his fastest oos though
I mean, 7 frame jumpsquat plus bad air mobility means this won’t work unless land right on top of him
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:eye:
Cool but can it defeat level 9 cpu
Well fortunately my main isn't among the 90%. So thank god for that
Same (i main link)
yo you wanna learn how to do a f***kin infinite?
Chudat heard Ultimate infinite and started getting chills
ngl, I thought I was already subbed.
I checked on the obligatory reminder, but I wasn't.
Subbed for more video game science.
I’ll stick to my Mario up air chains, this is too hard for me lol
Sephiroth be like good luck it won't work :pathethic
We had Wobbling.
Now we have.... Gimzing?
W̶o̶b̶e̶l̶l̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶L̶e̶f̶f̶o̶b̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ This one's been coined the Devil's Scheme
ayo gotta question! do you know anybody that can make a mod where two people can play adventure mode at once?? anybody?
Of course for pokemon trainer it dosent work for squirtle and ivysaur but completely fine against charizard. Man smash really needs a new mechanic for anti infinites against superheavies to make it so they recover twice as fast if they get hit by more than 3-4 seperate moves in quick succession so heavies can stop being combo cheesed into the blast zone 24/7.
This one isn't actually a super heavy thing, it straight up doesn't work against Dedede. It's all about how a characters animation is when they gat footstooled, but also Charizard is really easy going back to front because he really sticks his head out with his long neck
@@Super_EpicGuy I'm more so talking about in general, even if this one is purely animation based it still ruins the fun for both the player and the opponent. There are definitely people watching this that are only gonna play kazuya just to practice this all day and abuse it just like luigi's zero to death and it's plain disrespectful. I know asking for balance in a smash game is silly and stupid but man out of every fighting game this one really really REALLY hates all big characters.
@@lordninetails514 See, this infinite isn't much of a problem, because Kazuya has a 0td off of like half his moves lmao. You'd be far better off practicing Electric Wind God Fist into consistency, because that's what really unlocks all his ridiculous zero to deaths
Remember that one time when this game was good?
Sounds like side-b is just OP
Well I was already losing the matchup, but I guess I’ll just lose even more now, great
@Adam Jensen ewgf death combos are simpler tbh
I’m finally going to play smash like it’s tekken with infinite combos
All they need to do is nerf his jab. Should not get like 30 plus percent off jab
The 10 Hit combo already has a massive SDI multiplier. Just wiggle the stick in the direction away from Kazuya, and you shouldn't be getting hit by even 5 hits of it
Could you not find an infinite… *FOR FIVE MINUTES!?*
Doesn’t work on bayo, she’s too low during her downed idle animation
I can guaruntee you it does, I've tested this extensively. There's a little known mechanic in this game, some call it Footstool Lockout, where you cannot footstool someone within 16 frames after an attack of yours ends. Go frame by frame, Side B Bayo, and after the Side B animation ends and you're acyionable, wait 8 frames before you jump, then jump, Kazuya will be airborne frame 16 because of his 7 frame jumpsquat, and from there you can wait one more frame to make sure you are close enough to actually footstool Bayonetta on a part of her hurtbox that can be footstooled, and press jump
Awesome gaming
What's up guys Gimr here trying to force more patch updates like I do...
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch is a fair and balance game.
Got em wit da cronum
Well...lets hope Nintendo doesn't wait until the next DLC char to patch this.
Only 2 minutes? He should have shown the tech working on everyone to get to the 8 minutes mark.
-just get up attack smh my head-
I beat level 9 kazuya with kirby
Welp at least it really hard to get it on lucas.
Can't they just get up attack?
Kazuya can just kill you when he feels like it so
greeeeeaaaaaat now there’s this too
(Gimz brain too large!)
that moment when nothing works on pacman 😎
u should stay in the lab forever
Whos the other 10% it doesn't work on?
It's all recorded in the document here:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pD_1b5wJPBUnbTqTZ_Q8GlHWgoSBFLSM9zzGsbKV07g/edit?usp=drivesdk
Gimr please wait for the last patch before doing these vids
I thought u needed 5 million likes to make this
*Blanace*
New room!?
Hopefully Nintendo sees this and patches it.
Kazuya busted
Me being the 999th like:
"I guide others to a treasure I can not possess"
Can we get a clap for how long Smash Ultimate lasted, because that right there? That’s the end of Smash ultimate
People have been saying that since Hero came out.
Great all I need to do in the Kazuya matchup with hero is fish for hocus pocus and hope I get the mushroom
How come when i try to footstool, it never works. I jump RIGHT above them and i still land in front or behind them... what kind of SHIT game is this...
Do you mean just in general, or after landing a Side B?
@@Super_EpicGuy Both
@@zdenshadowdragonbyzideodi8819 I can't help you with landing footstools in general, but if you're trying to do the infinite frame by frame in training mode to start out, it would help to know about a little known mechanic some call Footstool Lockout. Basically, the game prevents you from doing a footstool within 16 frames after the end of any attack animation, I assume to prevent situations exactly like this. In the infinite, you need to delay your jump long enough so that once you're airborne, those 16 frames are up and you can actually footstool your opponent. I'm going to add information on Footstool Lockout to the doc, though I haven't gotten to it yet
@@Super_EpicGuy Okay, well i appreciate you trying to help. Thanks for the information.
GimR be my dad
Oh thats getting nerfed later lol
KAZOOO-ya lol
damn it
nice
I have a weird question : would you make a video if an insane tech was discovered on an "old" character?..
I mean, he mainly makes tech videos on the trending stuff because why wouldn't you, but he has done character specific things on not DLC characters before, like the ICs infinite and Mewtwo's Confusion trap
Wow
Kazooya :(
@Adam Jensen that joke shouldn’t even be a thing because it isn’t even pronounced kazooya
I can't with these pronunciations 😂
kuh zooo yuh
PLEASE listen to the smash announcer or the win screen tekken announcer it's not hard
the 1 dislikd is from mario
Boutta get 71 dislikes then
if someone does this to me i'll just give him the match and move on =_=
Videos like this shouldn’t be coming out. All infinite’s get patched out and I’d bet this happens to this too
Not all infinites are patched. The ICs one GimR previously showed off still isn't patched, and Ness has an infinite, which was extensively tested by Oetam, the other dude shouted out in the video, that hasn't been patched yet either
@@Super_EpicGuy also diddy still has a banana infinite iirc
@@cerdi_99 No, that one was also patched, they made it take longer for Diddy to have the ability to throw out a second banana after he threw out the first
@@Super_EpicGuy I'm pretty sure there's a variation that makes it long enough that it let's u throw another banana. Maybe with a footstool?? I don't remember lmao but I'm almost 100% sure I've seen it after they patched it
I've also heard about that, but I've heard that it was also patched out. Not 100% on that, since I can't really find it anywhere
Where zero
jail
Patched!
Hoo boy
Patched out
why is he talking so incredibly softly
Nice
yes
6 seconds!!
Hahaha
Oh no
Why Sakurai fix your game