Alpine A110 vs Porsche 718 Cayman | Which is better?
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- It’s Alpine A110 vs Porsche 718 Cayman in another of our Parkers twin-test battles. Has the relaunched Alpine brand built a mid-engined sports car to rival Germany’s best, or is the previously peerless Porsche still the one to go for?
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Both of you have had a smile in the Alpine A110. Not in the Porsche. I guess it's why those cars are made for. SO for me the winner should be the Alpine...
Im guessing you have never driven a Cayman?
@@highgate14 Lots of professional drivers loves the alpine, nothing wrong with the cayman but only 1100 kg should be lively as fuck and the porsche more planted and stable
The Alpine looks like a GT86
@@highgate14 I have driven cayman's since 2009.. All flavours and the 718 is by far the worse because of that awful top yourself drone coming from behind you. Alpine would win with a 3 cylinder motor in it!
More than a smile.!! An érection
The Cayman will impress you, the Alpine will make you fall in love with it
But where are 3 seat arrangement across like they had in the MATRA, then I will love them more
I want the Alpine!
Well I've seen a bunch of vids about the Alpine and what I saw was all the drivers had a HUGE smile on their face!
Absolutely! 😊👍
I test drove one in West London traffic, it was amazing then and, on round abouts, to jumping off the line - wow.
Hahaha , Porsche is afraid to let them test the standard Cayman against the A110
Nice theory, but not true. Press fleets don't have an infinite number of cars in them, and demand is obviously high!
Parkers limited numbers i agree, but still conenient 😎
That's because no one orders a basic Porsche!
Also true, i know a guy driving a fully loaded 90K+ Cayman S and he doesn't even know there is a 4 cylinder in the back ... or even a 6 cylinder before that :-) :-) :-).
@@bimbeano Oh my! But yeah, there are even some that don't know the BMW 1 Series is RWD! In fact a survey came out a few years ago and showed that the typical 1-Series buyer has no clue about it!
I like both but I love the Alpine. The Cayman is more practical but one point that everyone forgets to make when talking about day to day use is running costs. The alpine is much lighter which translates to lower consumption and less wear to the tyres and breaks. Also having smaller wheels means that it needs cheaper tyres. Add that to the fact that the top spec A110 costs as much as a sparsely spacced basic 718 and the choice is much easier for the Alpine.
All valid points 👍 running costs are arguably less important in cars like this but totally still a consideration.
In my country (Belgium) my girlfriend ordered a highly specced Alpine A110...the equally specced Cayman 2.0 was 10.000euro more expensive with the same options and spec that the A110 has. Let's be honest; how boring is a base Cayman as your choice of car ;)
@@windsurfer_LA Nah the engine is booring and pdk sounds like insane expensive if they broke. I want live with cars for 5 years, not just in warranty time
FEGTTTSDH and you are sure about french gearboxes? That is really a point where french car are not very positive. Meanwhile, pdk's tules over 10 years...
FEGTTTSDH and the alpine, sure it is a v8😂😂😂, boring
Everyone complains about Porsche being with a 4 cyl engine, but personally I like the 718 better than the previous version... why? Because it's faster, both on a straight line and on a track, the engine has more torque at low speeds (which makes the Caro more usable daily) and it has better running costs. It has a worse sound, but personally I find efficiency just as attractive as a good sound, if not more... I know I will be one of the few to think so, but I choose to be honest.
tommi bonaccini I’m a new 718 cayman GTS owner and its my first sport car and it consume a lot of fuel, this makes me wonder what 3.0 with 6c engine will consume ...
he prefers the cayman but the alpine was able to make him smile a bit.......
This fact was pointed out to James during the edit!
Bellissima l'Alpine!
You try to talk your way out of the fact that you compare the Alpine against a GTS instead of the standard Cayman. In my opinion it tends to make the test ...... not relevant
not a drag race comparison.
No but a 55K € against a 75K € car. How's that for a comparison?
agreed, this is crap
yeah, from the start, when he tells that's a GTS, I knew the test was almost worthless
I agree
Great review! Cant wait until I get my Alpine next year. Looing forward to beat father in law in his Cayman S😊
Thanks Henrik - glad you enjoyed it. Have fun with the Alpine, we’re very jealous!
Except you won’t as the cayman S is much quicker than the Alpine
We're picking up our Alpine Premier Edition tomorrow. Cannot wait, will definately make a video on it.
Hope you enjoy it - we certainly did!
GTS base price is around 70 000£, you can't really compare, and not having the option for a manual transmission was not a big deal when the Alfa 4C came out. Practicality inside the A110 is near 0 tho. Great review and beautifull filming, +1 sub
Glad you enjoyed it, Gabriel. Thanks for the sub. Agreed, comparing the A110 to the GTS isn’t ideal, but hopefully you still get a good indication of what both cars are like.
also sounds like the cayman was possibly a little tired and in need of a refresh on the braking system. I've driven a number of Porsche's and dedicated track cars and my old 987 3.2 S had a solid brake pedal with immense feel, as do the newer 911's. Sounds like that one perhaps needs bled/refreshed. Pedal should be rock solid and responsive.
Sad that you compare the A110 Alpine to Cayman 370HP, it's almost like comparing a Clio RS 200HP with the following Megane RS Trophy 300 HP, it doesn't mean anything, of course that one of the 2 guys can't forget that he just drove a 370HP car so it's not easy to not choose that one!!! Sure that if he've just tested the 300HP Cayman he could have do a different choice! A110 Alpine (which is not a Renault like Lamborghini is not a VW) is so much more fun and faster than the Cayman 300 HP and not has much expensive even day after day, i'm sure that it'll be a great success with the people that prefer to spend their money with a really great car or just with a famous and comfortable car, definately ALPINE is back...
Alpine fait partie de Renault, même l'intérieur de l'alpine a des éléments de Renault
I'd take the Alpine over the Porsche. But if I had the money I'd wait to see if Alpine introduce more colours, I think it would look rather good in yellow.
Sure you're right in yellow it will be beautiful and obviously Alpine is better that Porsche as the next AS 110 with maybe 300HP will make cry ever CAYMAN 718 owners... ;)
@@remyb2154 comme Lamborghini fait partie de vw avec des éléments Audi à l'intérieur!
I'll have the Alpine please.
Second dude not noticing a 300 kg weight difference
All commenter, in EVERY review of the Alpine has a big smile and often a good laugh when the start to bring this car in its playground ... This car looks fun to drive ... I want one so bad :))))
This was an unfair comparison...
Due to specs of course
Well done to Alpine for making a real lightweight driver's car. It's a shame cars like this are a dying breed as Alfa have now stopped making the 4C, only Lotus and Alpine are left in the marketplace. I never consider Porsche to be true sports car with the exception of a few more focussed models as they are overweight, over refined and made for the masses.
Alfa are still making the 4c. They just got rid of the coupe, but the spyder is still very much in production.
Comments like "I never consider Porsche to be a true sports car" are comical and make you look silly, weight is important but not everything and Lotus agree with that as they make several cars heavier than the Cayman (which is not a heavy car). A sports car is more than just a single part of a whole equation, if all you cared about was weight you may as well buy a 2CV. The Cayman has one of the best manual gear boxes of any car on the planet, they Cayman has the best chassis's on the planet (including super cars) and the mid mounted engine with its low weight and very very low centre of gravity because it's flat (looking at you Lotus with your top heavy Toyota super charged V6) mean it's a better mid mounted sports car engine than anything else you've listed. I honestly think "I never consider Porsche to be true sports car" is the dumbest thing I've read on the internet in years.
Brain - Porsche, heart - Alpine
ILIJA1993 yes and regarding sport cars heart is more important 😊
For me, I just don't think you can put a price on weight reduction. Just a small tweak to the Alpine (if you were so inclined) and the difference would be dramatic. The Porsche is really heavy, considering it's a two-seat sports car! and makes you feel a little more isolated from the action. Put a 6 pot in the A110 and you'll have an absolute RIOT of a car.
throw in the weight of a convertible if so
Great items thanks lads
Cheers Robert, glad you enjoyed.
The Alpine makes always a big smile to appear on the test driver's face 😊
The Alpine is by far more fun. Still after 2.500km driving it you come out of the great seats with a smile.
It's by far more shit and certainly not reliable enough for a daily driver! It's too impractical, too small and it looks.... well, it looks like a fucking dull Renault!
Hail Porsche!
I am German.... you fucking idiot! Lol!
fcking love small channels, it feels like they're always watching what you do on their channel. Great review guys and great cars you got there. (:
Glad you enjoyed it, plenty more to come in the next few months!
Great video! How about a 981 Cayman vs the Alpine? Does the 6 banger make the older car still compete?
Also, where in Wales was this? The hills in the back look familiar in the end shot.
Much appreciated - glad you enjoyed it! Really good point, that. We suspect the six-cylinder Cayman would be more than a match for the Alpine if you’re not keen on the engine sound of the current model.
It was filmed just outside of Crickhowell in South Wales.
to be honest, if the Alpine had the option of a manual gearbox, i'd choose it even over the Cayman GT4, as it just looks spectacular and sounds great (for a 4cyl engine) and it looks like it's a lot of fun to drive (particularly "normal" twisty roads). it would easily be my "attainable dream car", and i say that as a huge Alfa Romeo and Porsche fanboy
but all things considered, the lack of a manual in such a drivers car is absolutely inexcusable, and for a little more money than a Premiere Edition, i'd rather have a last gen flat6 Cayman S (or with a bit of luck and searching even a GT4), or a 997.GTS, as they're better cars in every single way except maintenance and fuel cost. or, hell, even a Lotus Exige, which is just as light and nimble, but it has a delightful V6 engine (sounds MUCH better), is much more powerful and has A MANUAL TRANSMISSION, like a driver focused car is supposed to
it's absolutely insane there's no third pedal option in there (and please, spare me the "dsg is lighter" PR bullshit. it's not)
they completely missed the point and the boat by aiming for Cayman sales, just like Alfa with the 4C. next to nobody who buys base Caymans because they're great drivers cars, most people buy them because of the badge and the perceived luxury, that's why they're mostly sold in auto form (unlike the bigger GT4 brother, which is even more of a driver's car...). the Alpine, like the 4C before it, can't compete with it in those segments, not even close. they should've aimed to be upmarket, midengined Miatas, 5-10k cheaper base prices and a manual option and both would've sold like hotcakes
The Alpine AS 110 will have manual gear box, with 50 kilos less than the Premiere Edition and with a 320HP engine.
@@Ken_Marinaris Loupé ! :-)
Porsche is for the yuppies,and Alpine for the gentlemen drivers!!😀
Can't find the ALpine in the US :S And it's a limited production otherwise i would buy one (I also own a Cayman S). Bon sinon les Francais savent encore faire des voitures xD
Only the premier edition is limited. You can buy a110 pure or a110 legend between 50k and 55k but I don't know if they sell them in the USA.
No they don't SIGH.
@@stevenrix7277 Well the car has been in production for like 5 months so maybe next year it will be available
It might be next to impossible to get one. In the 70s they were producing the Alpine A310 and only 10000 models were produced with different variations.
@@stevenrix7277 Here in Europe is quite easy you just have to download the alpine app from the Google play store and then choose a dealership and configure yur car
Amazing that a maker of front wheel drive shopping trolleys can emerge from a forty year slumber and challenge the everyday/trackday crown of the Cockster.
I have a 2007 Cayman S and that will do me nicely, thank you 😁
I'd take the Alpine even if it was much worse than Cayman. Just look at it, Future Classic right out of the factory.
Cayman on the other hand.....well, it's just another Porsche.
Tis an excellent point!
Future classic...it depends on the production numbers...how many targa florio did Alpine win? ZERO 1° Porsche, 2º Alfa Romeo, 3º Ferrari...competition is where you got your credentials , not everyone personal statement...
And how many world rally championships has Porsche won (0) whereas Alpine won it in the very 1st year... Obviously overall the others would come out on top across the numerous competitions, but Alpine does have a long history, just not as long as the others...
on another hand... well, it's not a 911, that's the reality.
+Andrew Mack I see your point...but your information is not correct. Porsche win the Paris Dakar Rally in 1984 and 1986. If I look for a future Classic I would rather get an Alfa Romeo 4 C instead...The Alpine should be my number 2.
Gts has the same 265/235 as the S and base.. as did the 981’s. The track is 12mm wider each side in order to get the engine in.
The Alpine is more stylish
looks wrong mate
@@ZenGamer97 not at all
Jeff Kodiac all subjective. Just saw one on the road an hour ago hence coming to this vid. Not a fan
@@ZenGamer97 mate , opinions are like ass holes, everyone have one 😉
Jeff Kodiac i like the fact that not everyone drives a porsche or bmw. But ill still have a porsche or bmw hahahaha
Alpine THE BEST and so beautiful french car
When it starts on fire its great looking
Blake Swan
You mean one Alpine prototype, far from a production model, catching on fire is more important to you than hundreds of cases of 911's and even 918's catching fire, on production models that were sold to people?
Ummm this isn’t even a comparison tbh, the Porsche is by far the objectively better car which isn’t to say the French car is not good, it’s just one of those artful choices like the 4C. And those artful entries and welcome to the industry to add a variety that wasn’t there before, spice up the buyer options available but realistically speaking, the Porsche is overall better by a mile.
It really is a hideous design.
The A110 is the perfect addition in a enthusiast's two car garage. Fun/gallon wise it is hart to beat. I am an old petrolhead and own the A110GT since two months. Over the last 30 years I had a number of second (fun) cars, including five 911, one Boxster GTS, one Ferrari California T and for pure driving fun on public roads I prefer this French interpretation of a true sports car. Every Cayman and 911 owner should go and test drive one. For a single car garage the Cayman or base 911 would be the better choice simply because of trunk size.
Sounded like one of them was brainwashed and biased towards German cars and could not explain convincingly why chose Cayman over Alpine. I thought Alpine Rocked!!!
Agreed, he couldn't like it. Because of the branding effect of the Porsche. It is a cognitive biais, same effect with Apple products.
Frédéric Bricout
Rubbish!
Sent from my iPhone
Don't worry, it is happen to me with some brands (Apple, Dyson etc...) Nothing wrong with enjoying a car for subjective reasons. I love the De Lorean, and it is a shitty car and barely drivable.
For everyday use - The one you’d buy is the Porsche but of course the better CAR is the Alpine
Alpine vs Lotus?
Now that sounds like a fun day out...
Both very special and different cars. Strange comparison, in my view, though. I think no potential Porsche buyer would consider the Alpine, and possibly it is the same for the Alpine potentials. I looked at the Cayman and definitely prefer the manual transmission base model with only two options..... colour and cruise control
Quality of content deserves way more subs!
Much appreciated, we’re getting there!
Personally I love both cars. Porsche made a great choice using the 4 cyl engine because it gives the car more power at low speed. the base 718 Cayman is faster than the old Cayman S, better running costs. It has a worse sound but the engine is more usable at low speeds and in the end the 718 is a greater car than the previous in every aspect but the sound. Besides if Porsche survives it's thanks to downsizing and électrification. The Alpine is great. Super light, relatively cheap, fast, comfortable and with low running costs. The steering and the gearshift are not on Porsche level but the car is so light that it makes UP for it. Should Alpine give the car a différentiel autobloquant, more power and a sportier setup it could beat the base Cayman on a track and maybe reach the Cayman S. The thing is: Cayman will go on and it will get better at every génération because it's a Porsche. Will the future of the Alpine be as bright ? It depends on how successful it will be.
From what i see i think Alpine is beautiful to drive it
I feel the guy in checkered shirt was more coherent. The other guy said the Cayman to be more involving in the conclusions, while at some point during the review he said something along the lines of the Cayman not caring about what you do, about giving the driver the feeling of always being the weak link, while the Alpine according to him always encouraged him, always gave him a sense of accomplishment as a driver, yet he thinks the Cayman is more involving... Make up your mind, mate. I think unconsciously he liked the Alpine more, but was for some reason biased for the Porsche (German fan boy? Who knows?)
" ... but this is largely the same ... " and then goes on to list where the GTS is NOT the same.
I think it's a shame the Alpine isn't a tad more practical and isn't available as a manual.
James Dennison is Casey Stoners doppelgänger ! 😄
Love the alpine
Jolly Good Show Chaps no seriously
A110 > Cayman
sounds like the caymans for the more talented driver because it can do more..yes would have been nice to get the lower spec'd cayman. Thanks for the vid guys.
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I wonder how much the Alpine will keep its value after 2-3 years? P.S. At least one of you pronounced Porsche correctly!
18 month waiting list if you order an Alpine today. The ones I've seen for sale on the second hand market are above the sticker price, so I think resale value on short term is OK.
As usual with Alpine the value will increase over time, it's already the case.
Alpine for people who want to have fun with a sport car and enjoy the art of cornering fun in all conditions. The Porsche is more suited to people who like to drive on freeways or wide roads, and who want to show off their social status.
The A110 is a fantastic drift car in GT7. :D
The letters "GTS" are missing from the video title.
I want to like the Alpine, but they make it hard for you. Only 250hp when the same engine in the Megane RS is 275. And the wiper stalk and radio control stalk look exactly the same as the 2003 Clio I used to own.
Do you think the Alpine needs to do zero to sixty in less than 4.5 secs? I don't. Hence no need for more power (the Megane does need it with the huge body it's hauling; hence it has more power). And what's wrong with the Clio wiper stalks? Parts sharing is a good thing - for reliability, for upkeep costs and for future parts availability.
The porsche😍🥂
Alpine all the way. I have zero interest in a 4-pot Porsche (I know that the Alpine is the same but that's by ground up design and way lighter)
The alpine just looks way sexier
Can we all agree the alpine is our winner anyway.
Haha
All the Porsche, Cayman haters on here probably have never even driven a Porsche of any kind
I love Alpine, I had an Alpine GTA for 7 years but I now drive a Cayman S, one with a 6 cylinder engine though!
And it is easily the best,driver focused car I have ever owned, it makes me smile every time I drive it, it is bloody awesome 👍
I've driven several Porsches and I still say Alpine over Cayman despite never having driven any Alpine. Understanding design and engineering all I need is to look at the Alpine's body shell, suspension deisgn and the scale of it all. I might call the Alpine the only true sports car sold today. Yeah there existed the Alfa 4C but typically where the Italians fail with cars, the French succeed as we can see once again from the new Alpine.
@@varmastiko2908 I'm not going to knock the little Alpine because I do like it and would love a go in one, all I was saying is the amount of Porsche haters out there, which mainly comes from people that have never driven one and especially not driven one for a long time to truly understand just how good they are, build quality, reliability, little depreciation and fantastic sporty drive, especially with the Cayman range, old or new
The Porche Cayman is made for US highways, German autobahns and racetracks, while the Alpine is made for European winding roads, the Mountain and historically rallies. We are not dealing with the same category, and it shows in profile when they are side by side like at the end of the video..
No mention of mpg? If we are talking daily drivers...
I wished they would import it to the US.
I think you forget materials and build quality, as that would be the biggest difference between two cars
do you know that Michelin had to degrade the performance of the tires of the alpine, because there was too much grip, so the combination chassis / undercarriage / tires are perfect ... in France 1 year of waiting, 60 000 €. ..
how much the Porsche??
Renault makes fun sports car, simple one in a sense and cheaper, but really fun and lightweight.
Agreed, it’s a brilliant sports car 👍
I looked at both....wanted a manual and prefer NA......bought a 981 GTS......that flat 6 makes it better than either of these, for me
good luck getting your hands on an Alpine
Alpine Is much better than this annoying Porsche.
And you compare A110 with GTS cayman 370HP... you’have to compare it to standard cayman.
Sadly heel and toe will never be a problem in the Alpine...to me they got this lack of manual option completely wrong (albeit I know their marketing did the sums and this was the result either right or wrong...) which is a shame because chassis wise, technically the Alpine has got the Porsche licked albeit there is a price to pay in terms of boot's space. And this is not even talking about the weight...a field where Porsche slipped off the tracks for a while now. Maybe it is the price to pay for a better build but in my opinion it is just the price that their chosen luxury route has taken them into, completely detracting from what a sports car should weight and the fact that some Lotus Exige versions are nudging 1200Kg nowadays (who would thought!!! Heresy...) just shows how well did Alpine get this right. A really difficult choice in between a base PDK Cayman and an Alpine but whoever chooses the latter will have chosen the purer car. Me? The manual box available on the Cayman would make it a no-brainer and besides Alpine (like Lotus) has been too optimistic with its prices...first they need to re-build the brand, get some reputation and credit and then they can claim it back. But starting pair on prices with a brand as well established as Porsche's is difficult to stomach. And to match Porsche's network is another completely different task albeit my experience with them has got plenty of bad examples, unfortunately, to the point I would have trouble to recommend a OPC if someone was going to ask me...Lotus could have a much higher share of this market if it was not for their price optimism as well and countless versions of the same car. One last thing: it is a well known fact Alu is very difficult to repair once the damage on the chassis is past a certain point so something to bear in mind re the Alpine. PS to the reviewers: according to my experience pedal brake feel is variable (across their cars and range) and most OPC techs (they are not mechanics any more are they?...) get this wrong (in my case at least). However if you insist with them that you don't want any break pedal dead travel feel, at least some if not all techs, will do this for you. It is something I got tired from having to ask (when I should not) but if I ask likely I will get it
You didn't put their on road prices.
Porsche 718 Cayman starts from £42,897, while the GTS starts from £59,866. Alpine A110 starts from £46,905. All UK prices.
Which is BETTER?
Anyone, both or none. It depends what do you want in a car, your preferences, use, bill.........
Anybody else watch GT4 (Blancpain/ FFSA) just to see "Little Mac"(A110) punching above his weight?
I wouldn’t listen to anyone who leans on cars like you guys do
we need more competition to Porsche!
They are both sports cars. So race them with the equaly horse powered engines.The Alpine is a true sports car. Much ligther than the Cayman. I would like to see them both competing in Top Gear. That would be fun.
We can't buy an Alpine here in Canada. I'll continue to enjoy my GT4.
We just took delivery of our Alpine A110 Premier edition, theres a video of the delivery day on my channel if you want to check it out
Running costs should be better with the Renault I guess
Hey Parkers the new Audi A8 is better than an s class because in s class you will find a cheap bits of plastic in it's lower parts but in the Audi there is nothing cheaper in it and it's drive is also better than an s class of you people will try the A8 and an s class on highways in city I. Motorways and in all the A8 has dominated the s class and yeah in terms of interiors s class is slightly above than A8 in terms of design but the Audi's design is also very impressive it's very high tech it's virtual cockpit is brilliant in class and well yeah both cars are nice for me Audi, Mercedes, BMW I think you people should do again the review of both cars and what do you people like s class a8 or 7 series plzzzzz telllll meeee
Nice video, but please consistently pronounce Porsche properly
please
@@MrBirgerB similar to NFL QB Brett Favre having a whole career where the fans couldn't pronounce it properly. Older french name. Guy on my NHL team is Jesper Kotkaniemi and US broadcaster's still get it wrong
Guys, come on! When you are comparing two things, one is better not best! Basic schoolboy grammar.
I have a 987.2 Cayman 2.9 - I would certainly chose the Alpine over the 718 - In addition to my current car. And I think it does sound better than the 718.
Alpines a good car, the 718 is a great car.
Didnt know Steve Coogan did car reviews
The things you learn on TH-cam, eh?!
That Cayman sounds like a Toyota GT86. Let it sink in for a while. A Porsche that sounds like an economy Toyota.
Evora for me.
not even close, the Alpine is the real deal, especially considering it's considerably longer/more significant history. A road Porsche is a 911 and alway will be, except their SUV's these days, which bring home the $$ and sales volume.
Alpine the best 👍🇫🇷💪
Do you remember Top Gear's cool wall? Well the Alpine is cool and the "Gayman" is less so.
A110 looks like a cross between Audi and an Aston Martin.
The image is beautiful
The price difference though.
The Alpine. Clearly.
LOL ... 718gts (0 To 60) is 3.8
Kouki Sawatari vs Mikhail Beckenbauer
If it was my money, I'd have the Cayman. If it was someone else's money, I'd take the Alpine.
“Junk of Renault?” You really are jerks of england
I wouldn't take it too personally (assuming you are French). If Rover were still around, and British owned, and made a similar car, you'd get a similar remark. Porsche are just seen as a more prestigious brand.
Is James Alan Partridge’s son?
James is too young to remember original Alan Partridge.
no way is the gearbox comparable please.