I don't log or saw logs, but as a lifelong user of wood, (carpenter, cabinetmaker), I found it very interesting. The new low cost saw mills are a real game changer. So much wood that would have been left to rot or burned as firewood, can now be milled and used. I wish I lived closer to LCLY- I would be a regular customer.
I run a homeowner mill without a debarker and although I generally use standard blades, I really enjoy the quality and feel of the cut I get with the carbide blades, in addition to the less frequent blade changes. The carbide just runs better, across both hardwood and softwood. Sometimes I just like to splurge on a carbide blade and I am never disappointed. Your concept of not losing the rhythm of the work is right on.
Excellent anaysis. I worked in and managed large truck repair shops for 44 years. I made it a point to analysis every repetative task the same way you did with the blades. It is the only way to make progress against rising costs. It makes me wonder how many people actually pay attention to what is going on in their world.
I'm a saw doctor by trade in New Zealand. The mill I work for runs carbide circular saws in the board edger. When we sharpened them with the old circular saw grinder we had we would only grind the face of the tooth and not worry about the top.
It was clear to me mate, you didnt lose me at all. I did aporeciate the comment about about losing your rhythm, that is so true and adds greatly to the variables thereby making your figures as you say ‘an average’. Still, it is good to keep an eye on what you spend. Wishing you and your tribe a successful operation, greetings from Essex UK, stay casual 🤙🏽
Ken just the idea of 300 board feet in one hour is something that most would not consider but time is money. It seems like the more times you sharpen each blade that it makes even more sense to use carbide. The sharpening time i assume is the same but not sure. So long as the quality of the product remains high that is an intangible. Quality especially like on the flooring boards you now cut lots of must be high. Debarking is time consuming and expensive. So i guess the question is what kind of quality and service are you providing your customer. Both of those things you provide in abundance. You have to spend money to make money. I think you are headed in the right direction. Thank you for sharing.👍♥️♥️
You have to factor in the "coffee" consumption time. Is there more coffee consumed per hour when using a carbide blade vs the 747 blade? If one results is less consumption, then the cost of the coffee has to be considered.
You can make yourself crazy trying to figure out the most efficient and cost effective methods of trimming production cost. Grandpa has his brand new sharpening equipment and I’m sure he loves operating it and bringing new life to a dull blade of which you have dozens of never sharpened used blades in storage. Personally, I believe a coffee break during a blade change out is healthy thing and can prevent burn out. Boss man, you have a beautiful family business and as far as I can see everyone has a commendable work ethic. This channel is going to end up creating more revenue than the mill eventually!
We have 150 used blades in inventory. Lots of sharpening to do. We will also continue to buy standard blades depending on weather conditions. Certainly our mud seasons would prevent us from using carbide blades.
Hi Ken, this was pretty much a follow up on what we talked on the phone about the other night, since I don't have a de-barker I wont be using carbide blades anytime soon I do use the woodmizer blades and they work great and sharpen easy, fence nails and nails in general are my worst problem and 1 spike which sent the blade into three pieces and it was a new blade ($26.00 for 3 boards) . I think you are spot on with your math and its a good theory to use Carbide Blades, Most of my metal working cutters are carbide and they last a long time between sharpening's so if Grand Pa could get the diamond wheels and try it may be worth while to try. Good video, Take care. John
@@KenBreon I wish that I could take you on a walk down here in Alexander co NC ,,I have a friend who owns a flat sixty acre woodlot and there must be at least 150 two hundred year old white oaks , lots of them are four and five foot wide at the base and very healthy,,,this would totally blow your mind.
Great explanation on the fact that changing times for tooling will ruin your productivity - not only for effort on workers doing but also for loose of production and thus profit as well as loosing the rhythm of the work. back in the days when i was on job to get press shops to work, a customer had huge trouble to follow orders and change toolings up to 3 times a day, still not getting all orders done. So one smart guys in middle management had the balls to go to his superiors and urged them to take the penalty from their customer to drop out one small delivery, add extra working time on weekend to get ahead for 2nd customer and then have the chance to run full days on one tooling in a 3 day cycle to get all job done easily. They recovered the loose of the penalty in quick time.
Thank you for the explaining the pros and cons of the carbide blades. In the past, I had not considered the loss of production experienced during a blade change. Interesting to consider.
You should also consider that there are carbide blade sharpening/repair shops all over the nation that can replace your broken teeth and weld snapped blades at a fraction of the replacement cost, it’s a great savings opportunity to all of us who use carbide tipped cutting equipment whether it’s a bandsaw, table saw, circular saw or radial arm saw.
The big sawmill I worked at on the west coast (120 employees) they told us it cost the company $1,000 per minute that the head rig was down for saw changes or whatever. That trickled down through the whole operation. I would not run carbide without a debarker.
When I orderd my carbide blades after seeing the videos you guys made And I told woodmizer that they better send lcly them some free ones ! Boss man your right on point it is worth it to get these blades and I thank you all for the great advice !
Great video and thanks for taking the time to make this video. At the end when you talked about breaking your stride when things happen hit home for me this week. I have been asked to cut under the power lines at our power plants so trees don't grow up under them. Yesterday I was going along and rolling then I blew a hydraulic hose. Came back switched machines got into the big tractor went back out to the high voltage lines and made maybe 8 passes and the bushhog gearbox broke. Thankfully this machine had come from our sister plant and they didn't take very good care of it and it showed. But it's so frustrating when you get into the work and things are moving along then you have to stop for what ever reason. I guess I'm getting long winded. But thanks again to you and your family.
Your experience speaks volumes, business is a numbers game, the fact you include time, employees and equipment and break down the variables illustrates your great commitment and dedication to operate with nothing undone. I appreciate that kind of thinking and I can tell you from experience these same factors are relevant in the steel industries. Tooling is a variable that may ever change as knowledge does, I found a different tool that increased immeasurable time saving benefits because it was exponential, the same become true with saw blades. We had to look outside of normal suppliers to find that one special tool we needed. May God bless you and your business as only He can.
An 8 inch grinder with d-barker blade quickly going up and down both sides of log might be cost effective. Certainly would remove most of the bark real fast.
Thanks, Pops! This was REALLY informative and really useful. I am in Europe, thinking really hard about starting a small lumber shop like yours. Since it is only me, anything that saves time and money is very important to me. Also, if The Little Old Log Lady could do a video of you making "lumber roads" up in the mountains, showing how you select a path through the forest, which heavy machines do which jobs - that would be very useful as well - at least to me.
I manage woodworking ops in a hot tub factory. We use "Diablo" blades on the table saw and two DeWalt chop saws. I am impressed with the durability and sharpness of Diablo. We also have a band saw for making arc'd corner blocks. We experienced frequent breakage with cheaper blades. We now have one that has lasted several months. In addition, our dust collector provides cooling air over the blade
I thoroughly enjoyed your breakdown. Got a carbide blade a while back for the mill and looking forward to trying it. This gives me something to keep an eye on.
Ken never thought of you as long winded quite the contrary I find you informative and not leaving much on the table to wonder about, such as I had never considered that skidding the logs picked up debris.
Many of the logs lose their bark on the skid and get rounded off on the end on the ground. The seasons also make a difference. Thank you for the comment…Boss Man.
Suggestion, online, TH-cam series on running the mill. Mill work, blade sharping, equipment recommendations and wish list etc. more technical videos. Also on the floor company your working with.
Take a look at Stellite (cobalt) tipped blades they may be a better choice. Very hard tips (a file won't touch them), and not near as brittle as carbide, and you don't need a diamond wheel to grind them. Vetrified pink wheels (synthetic ruby) works great and it will grind the band steel as well and not burn the gullets.
Yeah, I really appreciate the time you took to do the breakdown on the costs and efficiency you're seeing on the carbide blades. As always, glad I stopped by today. Oh, and we had that downpour you're getting now, about 24 or so hours ago.
So there is considerable science involved !! Actually cutting trees seems to be just a part of the process. (besides BBQ contests etc. 🤔). This video explained a lot to me, a retired wood worker, and house builder.. 👍
Thank you for the information and video very helpful and useful information ur channel is a must for saw milling I do do that kinda thing but I know where u are coming from thanks again have a great week ahead
I'm glad to hear your going carbide. You don't need the diamond wheel now. Build up a backlog. After a year of used blades buying the diamond wheel will pay for itself overnight.
My idea was there is (1) blade change to (5) for the regular blades. My math included (4) changes negating the fifth change thus matching the (1) change for the carbide. I will take more time to make that clear in a follow up video. Thank you for the comment…Boss Man.
As a concession to video presentation and clickbait I suggest having one of your "assistants" operate the whiteboard. Then do an analysis of viewership. I think we know where this is going. A big fat "W" for the daughters.
Carbide steel vs softer metal goes far beyond milling lumber. You just have to "do the math" like you explained and figure the cost vs benefit. Great video sir!
I run a LT15 mill and switched to carbide about 2 years ago and will never go back to standard blade unless I am cutting something that is risky of hitting something.
Good Explanation on Cost and Benefits. Also called ROI. Return On Investment. 300 board feet valued at what? you charge what per board foot. I do not know your price list. but lets use this . (1" x 8" x 8') / 12 =5.33 Bd. Ft. you have 16 foot long logs. so that is 10 Bd ft 6 dollars per. 300 / 10 = 30 30 X 6 = 180.00 plus 8 = 188.00 ROI is great per blade and that is not including resharpening which is just a matter of changing the grinding stone on the machine.
Hi, U are right if U hit something they are gone. They cut much longer, 812 hours . But then they snap in the gullet. Here in Germany WM resharp the carbine blades for around 9 dollar. So I run them only in clean trees. And max. for 3-4 hours that's one hour more than a regular blade. Sometimes I run bi metal blades, but also max 3-4 hours. Greetings Wolfgang
@@KenBreon na ja nicht genau die gleiche Aussage. Aber netter Versuch , wir können diese schärfen. Damit steigt die Lebensdauer um das 5-6 Fach. Viel Spaß beim Übersetzen. Beste Grüsse Wolfgang.
if you are running any business this is how you work the finances. ive always referred to this activity as 'bean counting'. it is mandatory for long term success. as long as you pay close attention to every thing and dont get greedy.
Question then. You are comparing the carbide vs the 747. $80 vs $26. then you add on the blade changes necessary for the 747. @ 71/2 minutes, that adds to an hour if you sharpen the 747 blades 4 times. I'd take issue with adding all the lost wood cut to the balance there. That log has other costs in it, (getting it out of the woods for instance, paying the landowner., etc) So if you are trying to add $300 to the balance, that isn't fair. I don't think the girls are producing $300 in added value each. Remember there are two of them. But, something can be put on that side of the equation, but not that much. The bigger issue is that unless I just missed it, you never said how long the two blades last in the comparison. If the carbide last 17 hours of cutting, till it is worn out, how many hours do the 747s last? if they are also lasting 17 hours, with 4 sharpenings, (so the blade is put on the mill 5 times, once brand new and 4 times after being sharpened) then yep, no doubt the carbide is better. But if the 747 blades last say 5 hours after each sharpening, then you are getting 25 hours out of the 747s. Perhaps better or worse, depending in what you think the loss of hours running the mill is worth. Anyway, good to hear you are thinking about this stuff.
Thanks a lot for this! It was funny because i was literally about to order a new blade for my delta band saw and was debating with myself what kind of blade to buy! I sure love the way you think and your thought process. I have a very small wood shop make charcuterie boards and river table boards which I use a CNC machine to do the inlays with resin. For my projects I’m trying to figure run time on the machine, will I snap a bit how long will the bit last come up with an operating cost per hr. Since I have to sit with the machine for sometimes a 5 hr run I always front load a stack of boards to finish or cut out while the CNC runs to optimize my time. I finally came up with treating the CNC as an employee. Its doing my work and I have to pay it in electricity bits and General maintain certain time!. Any way my point is I came up with a very similar numbers you did! By running high price carbide bits I spend less time messing with the machine. And in my case depending what I’m cutting the entire piece can be ruined if the bit fails! So spending a bit more up front defiantly saves you money in the long run! Thanks again for the great and helpful info!
Yes. In the past they have said at least once a day they change blades, and that's clearly not run 8 hours of the work day. I bet half that. So 4-6 hours compared to 18.
Great explanation, if you don't know your costs you don't know if you're making a profit. I assume from you're comparison that you cut for the same or number of board ft with one carbide blade as you do with five (one new and 4 sharpenings) of the 747 blades. That in itself would be a good case for the carbide.
So true, you can easily find yourself going down a rabbit hole trying to compare everything. I find in a lot of cases if it is close, just go with what you like. You guys as a family are in inspiration to many.
Wish I had you for a teacher in school. Clear direct information learned from experience and observation. Good job, Ken.
Thank you for the comment. Have a good day…Boss Man.
got it! I saw it man. they had to sell farms off the side of freeways. to feed one house. < i
I don't log or saw logs, but as a lifelong user of wood, (carpenter, cabinetmaker), I found it very interesting. The new low cost saw mills are a real game changer. So much wood that would have been left to rot or burned as firewood, can now be milled and used. I wish I lived closer to LCLY- I would be a regular customer.
Thank you for the observation. It is keen. It is wonderful that our resources are being utilized…Boss Man.
I run a homeowner mill without a debarker and although I generally use standard blades, I really enjoy the quality and feel of the cut I get with the carbide blades, in addition to the less frequent blade changes. The carbide just runs better, across both hardwood and softwood. Sometimes I just like to splurge on a carbide blade and I am never disappointed. Your concept of not losing the rhythm of the work is right on.
Thanks for the comment. I will pass your information on in the follow up video. Thank you…Boss Man.
Well, that explains it. Ken was a teacher in a previous life. Well done.
Excellent cost / benefit analysis. You have just entered the world of data-based decision-making. Before long you’ll be a geek like me.
Alan
Our house is filled with scribbled on pieces of paper that my wife is afraid to throw out😮
Excellent cost analysis. Saving time and money puts you ahead of the game! Thanks Boss man and Ladies for videoing. Have a great night! TTFN
Thank you…Boss Man.
Excellent anaysis. I worked in and managed large truck repair shops for 44 years. I made it a point to analysis every repetative task the same way you did with the blades. It is the only way to make progress against rising costs. It makes me wonder how many people actually pay attention to what is going on in their world.
I'm a saw doctor by trade in New Zealand. The mill I work for runs carbide circular saws in the board edger. When we sharpened them with the old circular saw grinder we had we would only grind the face of the tooth and not worry about the top.
I would love to see your shop and tools. Thank you for the comment…Boss Man.
@@KenBreon here is a link to a short video of the mill I work for. th-cam.com/video/Lrf-JsRpEjM/w-d-xo.html
I have done a few cost benefit ratio studies and that's how you do it. You are ready for corporate now so well done.
I've been considering changing to carbide blades. All your information is a huge help. Very well explained. Thanks .
It makes a great difference if you have the right conditions….Boss Man.
Glad to see family cook out videos, but the real meat and potatoes comes from your instructional and informational videos. Great job by all.
It was clear to me mate, you didnt lose me at all. I did aporeciate the comment about about losing your rhythm, that is so true and adds greatly to the variables thereby making your figures as you say ‘an average’. Still, it is good to keep an eye on what you spend. Wishing you and your tribe a successful operation, greetings from Essex UK, stay casual 🤙🏽
Thank you for the comment…Boss Man.
Ken just the idea of 300 board feet in one hour is something that most would not consider but time is money. It seems like the more times you sharpen each blade that it makes even more sense to use carbide. The sharpening time i assume is the same but not sure. So long as the quality of the product remains high that is an intangible. Quality especially like on the flooring boards you now cut lots of must be high. Debarking is time consuming and expensive. So i guess the question is what kind of quality and service are you providing your customer. Both of those things you provide in abundance. You have to spend money to make money. I think you are headed in the right direction. Thank you for sharing.👍♥️♥️
Great job dad! Short and sweet!
You have to factor in the "coffee" consumption time. Is there more coffee consumed per hour when using a carbide blade vs the 747 blade? If one results is less consumption, then the cost of the coffee has to be considered.
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I have my calculator in hand. I am doing the math.😊
Another great informative video.
doesn't it just sound like expertise comes out in every sentence from this man?
Yes it was beneficial, it was very interesting, and very important to understand as a business.
Nice to see the numbers run. I don't have a mill at the moment, but will some day. Thanks for sharing.
You can make yourself crazy trying to figure out the most efficient and cost effective methods of trimming production cost. Grandpa has his brand new sharpening equipment and I’m sure he loves operating it and bringing new life to a dull blade of which you have dozens of never sharpened used blades in storage.
Personally, I believe a coffee break during a blade change out is healthy thing and can prevent burn out. Boss man, you have a beautiful family business and as far as I can see everyone has a commendable work ethic. This channel is going to end up creating more revenue than the mill eventually!
We have 150 used blades in inventory. Lots of sharpening to do. We will also continue to buy standard blades depending on weather conditions. Certainly our mud seasons would prevent us from using carbide blades.
Hi Ken, this was pretty much a follow up on what we talked on the phone about the other night, since I don't have a de-barker I wont be using carbide blades anytime soon I do use the woodmizer blades and they work great and sharpen easy, fence nails and nails in general are my worst problem and 1 spike which sent the blade into three pieces and it was a new blade ($26.00 for 3 boards) . I think you are spot on with your math and its a good theory to use Carbide Blades, Most of my metal working cutters are carbide and they last a long time between sharpening's so if Grand Pa could get the diamond wheels and try it may be worth while to try. Good video, Take care. John
Thanks for the info and on going conversion….Boss Man.
Great show boss man ,,I sent this to all my friends who have a sawmill
Wow, thank you…Boss Man.
@@KenBreon I wish that I could take you on a walk down here in Alexander co NC ,,I have a friend who owns a flat sixty acre woodlot and there must be at least 150 two hundred year old white oaks , lots of them are four and five foot wide at the base and very healthy,,,this would totally blow your mind.
Great explanation on the fact that changing times for tooling will ruin your productivity - not only for effort on workers doing but also for loose of production and thus profit as well as loosing the rhythm of the work. back in the days when i was on job to get press shops to work, a customer had huge trouble to follow orders and change toolings up to 3 times a day, still not getting all orders done. So one smart guys in middle management had the balls to go to his superiors and urged them to take the penalty from their customer to drop out one small delivery, add extra working time on weekend to get ahead for 2nd customer and then have the chance to run full days on one tooling in a 3 day cycle to get all job done easily. They recovered the loose of the penalty in quick time.
Excellent idea…Boss Man.
It's a credit to the Girls running the bandsaw and always explain everything and most of all Safety
Thank you for the explaining the pros and cons of the carbide blades. In the past, I had not considered the loss of production experienced during a blade change. Interesting to consider.
You should also consider that there are carbide blade sharpening/repair shops all over the nation that can replace your broken teeth and weld snapped blades at a fraction of the replacement cost, it’s a great savings opportunity to all of us who use carbide tipped cutting equipment whether it’s a bandsaw, table saw, circular saw or radial arm saw.
Great vid, clear, concise, and valuable. Thanks.
The big sawmill I worked at on the west coast (120 employees) they told us it cost the company $1,000 per minute that the head rig was down for saw changes or whatever. That trickled down through the whole operation. I would not run carbide without a debarker.
That is crazy…Boss Man.
Ken, nice job. You did an effective analysis. Yep, you are a good teacher!
Ken, outstanding job explaining the pros and cons and costs of the 2 different types of blades!!
Thank you very much!!
Thank you for the comment…Boss Man.
When I orderd my carbide blades after seeing the videos you guys made And I told woodmizer that they better send lcly them some free ones ! Boss man your right on point it is worth it to get these blades and I thank you all for the great advice !
Wow, thank you…Boss Man.
@@_Boregard_Rippy_ I like to purchase product from the.m I don't like how much of a cut youtube takes
Great video and thanks for taking the time to make this video. At the end when you talked about breaking your stride when things happen hit home for me this week. I have been asked to cut under the power lines at our power plants so trees don't grow up under them. Yesterday I was going along and rolling then I blew a hydraulic hose. Came back switched machines got into the big tractor went back out to the high voltage lines and made maybe 8 passes and the bushhog gearbox broke. Thankfully this machine had come from our sister plant and they didn't take very good care of it and it showed. But it's so frustrating when you get into the work and things are moving along then you have to stop for what ever reason. I guess I'm getting long winded. But thanks again to you and your family.
Great job. It’s always informative when you talk about the business end of milling. Thank for sharing.
Very informative!!
Your experience speaks volumes, business is a numbers game, the fact you include time, employees and equipment and break down the variables illustrates your great commitment and dedication to operate with nothing undone. I appreciate that kind of thinking and I can tell you from experience these same factors are relevant in the steel industries. Tooling is a variable that may ever change as knowledge does, I found a different tool that increased immeasurable time saving benefits because it was exponential, the same become true with saw blades. We had to look outside of normal suppliers to find that one special tool we needed. May God bless you and your business as only He can.
An 8 inch grinder with d-barker blade quickly going up and down both sides of log might be cost effective. Certainly would remove most of the bark real fast.
You guys are absolutely wonderful, I love the knowledge and the honesty TY very much !!!
Thanks, Pops!
This was REALLY informative and really useful.
I am in Europe, thinking really hard about starting a small lumber shop like yours.
Since it is only me, anything that saves time and money is very important to me.
Also, if The Little Old Log Lady could do a video of you making "lumber roads" up in the mountains, showing how you select a path through the forest, which heavy machines do which jobs - that would be very useful as well - at least to me.
I manage woodworking ops in a hot tub factory. We use "Diablo" blades on the table saw and two DeWalt chop saws. I am impressed with the durability and sharpness of Diablo. We also have a band saw for making arc'd corner blocks. We experienced frequent breakage with cheaper blades. We now have one that has lasted several months. In addition, our dust collector provides cooling air over the blade
I thoroughly enjoyed your breakdown. Got a carbide blade a while back for the mill and looking forward to trying it. This gives me something to keep an eye on.
Let us know how it goes…Boss Man.
Ken never thought of you as long winded quite the contrary I find you informative and not leaving much on the table to wonder about, such as I had never considered that skidding the logs picked up debris.
Many of the logs lose their bark on the skid and get rounded off on the end on the ground. The seasons also make a difference. Thank you for the comment…Boss Man.
Suggestion, online, TH-cam series on running the mill. Mill work, blade sharping, equipment recommendations and wish list etc. more technical videos. Also on the floor company your working with.
Thanks Ken for the info and thank you all for what you do keep up the hard work and all the great videos😊
We had a de barker back when dad had a sawmill. We used a barn gutter cleaner to move the debree to a dump truck to be hauled away.
We love your videos, Ken. We know nothing about your profession and it is great to learn about it.
Yet another really excellent vid from The Boss, very informative & insightful…… Thank You 👍🏻
Take a look at Stellite (cobalt) tipped blades they may be a better choice. Very hard tips (a file won't touch them), and not near as brittle as carbide, and you don't need a diamond wheel to grind them. Vetrified pink wheels (synthetic ruby) works great and it will grind the band steel as well and not burn the gullets.
Thanks for the info…Boss Man.
Always good vids and info Thank you
Find the bent tooth, file it off and keep running. Have your pa solder a new carbide on when he sharpens the saw.
God gives us grace to deal with "downtime." Coffee is one of those perks
Yeah, I really appreciate the time you took to do the breakdown on the costs and efficiency you're seeing on the carbide blades. As always, glad I stopped by today. Oh, and we had that downpour you're getting now, about 24 or so hours ago.
So there is considerable science involved !!
Actually cutting trees seems to be
just a part of the
process. (besides
BBQ contests etc. 🤔). This video explained a lot to me, a retired wood
worker, and house
builder.. 👍
Thanks for the comment and thank you for watching…Boss Man.
Great video. Very informative Ken
Very interesting even for someone who doesn't run a mill to see you make simple sense of the maths🙋😆
Love the rooster 🐓 background
Great job, the girls, in sure are proud of you.
God Bless you folks.
Thank you for sharing.
Good info for us home owners.
Thank you for the information and video very helpful and useful information ur channel is a must for saw milling I do do that kinda thing but I know where u are coming from thanks again have a great week ahead
Thank you for the comment…Boss Man.
That was a very nice and informative video
Loving ❤ the workshop Bossman 🔥
The shop is all Grandpa. It is awesome…Boss Man.
I'm glad to hear your going carbide. You don't need the diamond wheel now. Build up a backlog. After a year of used blades buying the diamond wheel will pay for itself overnight.
Great comparison and info.
appreciate your sharing
I really enjoyed this
Particularly the last comments
Time for a coffee break
Your girls deserve one
Please keep these coming
Thank you for the comment…Boss Man.
Dad made a great comparison video
Hey Ken. You omitted the need to change out the carbides when they fail.
My idea was there is (1) blade change to (5) for the regular blades. My math included (4) changes negating the fifth change thus matching the (1) change for the carbide. I will take more time to make that clear in a follow up video. Thank you for the comment…Boss Man.
@@KenBreon Thanks Ken.
As a concession to video presentation and clickbait I suggest having one of your "assistants" operate the whiteboard. Then do an analysis of viewership. I think we know where this is going. A big fat "W" for the daughters.
This was awesome, Thanks for the knowledge and wise words!
Carbide steel vs softer metal goes far beyond milling lumber. You just have to "do the math" like you explained and figure the cost vs benefit. Great video sir!
Thank you for the comment…Boss Man.
Great video Bossman
Well done
Very interesting video and mathematically makes sense you would make one heck of an educator.
Ahh, being a business owner, running machinery while working out P&L strategies. Good video, boss man. 👍
I run a LT15 mill and switched to carbide about 2 years ago and will never go back to standard blade unless I am cutting something that is risky of hitting something.
Good Explanation on Cost and Benefits. Also called ROI. Return On Investment. 300 board feet valued at what? you charge what per board foot. I do not know your price list. but lets use this . (1" x 8" x 8') / 12 =5.33 Bd. Ft.
you have 16 foot long logs. so that is 10 Bd ft 6 dollars per.
300 / 10 = 30 30 X 6 = 180.00
plus 8 = 188.00 ROI is great per blade and that is not including resharpening which is just a matter of changing the grinding stone on the machine.
Awesome thanks for the information you'll have a blessed day
THANK YOU
Hi, U are right if U hit something they are gone. They cut much longer, 812 hours . But then they snap in the gullet. Here in Germany WM resharp the carbine blades for around 9 dollar.
So I run them only in clean trees. And max. for 3-4 hours that's one hour more than a regular blade.
Sometimes I run bi metal blades, but also max 3-4 hours.
Greetings Wolfgang
Thank you for the great comment. It is nice to know others have arrived at the same conclusion. Have a good day…Boss Man.
@@KenBreon na ja nicht genau die gleiche Aussage. Aber netter Versuch , wir können diese schärfen. Damit steigt die Lebensdauer um das 5-6 Fach.
Viel Spaß beim Übersetzen.
Beste Grüsse Wolfgang.
bless this man
I love math and LCLY❤
Excellent information and well spoken
Don't forget the cost of the coffee itself😂
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Interesting you brought up coffee 🤔🤔🤭🤭🙋♂️👍🙏🙏🙏🐶
Great video!
Educational
Smart man...Very logical.
Much obliged.
Very interesting all the things you have to consider. That's why you are successful.
if you are running any business this is how you work the finances. ive always referred to this activity as 'bean counting'. it is mandatory for long term success. as long as you pay close attention to every thing and dont get greedy.
Always good to get some insight from the Boss. Well done.
Question then. You are comparing the carbide vs the 747. $80 vs $26. then you add on the blade changes necessary for the 747. @ 71/2 minutes, that adds to an hour if you sharpen the 747 blades 4 times. I'd take issue with adding all the lost wood cut to the balance there. That log has other costs in it, (getting it out of the woods for instance, paying the landowner., etc) So if you are trying to add $300 to the balance, that isn't fair. I don't think the girls are producing $300 in added value each. Remember there are two of them. But, something can be put on that side of the equation, but not that much. The bigger issue is that unless I just missed it, you never said how long the two blades last in the comparison. If the carbide last 17 hours of cutting, till it is worn out, how many hours do the 747s last? if they are also lasting 17 hours, with 4 sharpenings, (so the blade is put on the mill 5 times, once brand new and 4 times after being sharpened) then yep, no doubt the carbide is better. But if the 747 blades last say 5 hours after each sharpening, then you are getting 25 hours out of the 747s. Perhaps better or worse, depending in what you think the loss of hours running the mill is worth. Anyway, good to hear you are thinking about this stuff.
Great content
That old mule deer has quite the spread.
Thanks a lot for this! It was funny because i was literally about to order a new blade for my delta band saw and was debating with myself what kind of blade to buy! I sure love the way you think and your thought process. I have a very small wood shop make charcuterie boards and river table boards which I use a CNC machine to do the inlays with resin. For my projects I’m trying to figure run time on the machine, will I snap a bit how long will the bit last come up with an operating cost per hr. Since I have to sit with the machine for sometimes a 5 hr run I always front load a stack of boards to finish or cut out while the CNC runs to optimize my time. I finally came up with treating the CNC as an employee. Its doing my work and I have to pay it in electricity bits and General maintain certain time!. Any way my point is I came up with a very similar numbers you did! By running high price carbide bits I spend less time messing with the machine. And in my case depending what I’m cutting the entire piece can be ruined if the bit fails! So spending a bit more up front defiantly saves you money in the long run! Thanks again for the great and helpful info!
I would love to see your operation and “talk shop”…Boss Man.
@@KenBreon would love to send you pictures of the things I make . What’s a good email to use?
Based on your numbers, does 1 carbide blade last the same amount of time as 4 of the standard blades?
Yes. In the past they have said at least once a day they change blades, and that's clearly not run 8 hours of the work day. I bet half that. So 4-6 hours compared to 18.
Awesome video 👍 thanks for sharing.
What a thoughtful presentation 101 points I like your logic John M in Milo, Maine
Great upload , enjoyed it.
Great explanation, if you don't know your costs you don't know if you're making a profit. I assume from you're comparison that you cut for the same or number of board ft with one carbide blade as you do with five (one new and 4 sharpenings) of the 747 blades. That in itself would be a good case for the carbide.
There is a lot to consider in the cost analysis…Boss Man.
So true, you can easily find yourself going down a rabbit hole trying to compare everything. I find in a lot of cases if it is close, just go with what you like. You guys as a family are in inspiration to many.
Excellent cost accounting. This analysis assumes that four 747s last the same as one carbide. Is that correct?
I've often wondered why you don't debark.