Why I swapped blades on my sawmill woodland mills hm126
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- Guys any of us with these mills have been there especially when it comes to hard wood it is so easy to get waves in your boards and I swapped to the bigger blade and got great results! If you enjoyed this video please like and subscribe also leave a comment! This is my woodland mills hm 126 if you have and questions about this mill do not hesitate to ask thanks for watching!! If you are wanting these blades then google Pipers Saw Shop and they can help you out with any bandmill blade you need. The blades are woodmizer turbo7
Pipers Saw Shop 1-800-845-6075
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Thanks for the video.
I am on the bandwagon saying you probably need to adjust the tracking of your wheels on your saw, and your guides if you are having problems with the blade wandering.
I run an WM LT45hd with 25hp and cut a lot of dead standing burr oak and black locust. My max board width is 24 inches and I try saw everything to max width. I use mostly 1.25 inch blades with a thickness of 0.045. Thicker blades will break before they wear out unless you have big band wheels. It's frustrating to throw out premium blades because they broke on the second sharpening.
If my saw is properly adjusted and I have the right tooth angle and set, I will cut perfect boards all day everyday.
If my blade wanders I change the blade. If it still wanders then I check the saw guides to ensure they are keeping the blade dead level. If the blade still wanders, I adjust the wheels back into alignment.
A good cheat for a slight misalignment is to increase the set on your saw teeth to give the band more space to pass without rubbing the wood.
On my saw, when it is well aligned, I only need 20 thousandths of set to run true. If I am just a little out of alignment 30 thousandths is fine. Woodmizer sets their teeth to around 32 thousandths and I set mine to 25-34 thousandths when I sharpen.
Also, tooth angle and gullet size is super important for hardwoods in my experience. I prefer 7 degree with a large gullet. WM 747 blades cut fast and straight. If you are cutting very difficult logs then 4 degree blades are best, but you are going to cut a lot slower. I would avoid 9-10 degree blades.
The 1.5 inch blades have more beam strength, but is not needed on my saw for 24 inch cuts unless you use bands with a large gullet. For large gullet bands 1.5 inch is better because the teeth are so much longer. Example WM 747 blades are better with the 1.5 inch width.
Also, if you want your band to last a long time. Provided you have already aligned your guides and wheels. First,the band should stay clean while being used (very important). If your blade is not staying clean, spray it with WD-40 or diesel in a squirt bottle every minute or so while it is cutting to clean it off. Second, don't use non hardened blades they wear to fast. Use induction hardened blades as a minimum. Bimetal blades last even longer and are probably even more cost-effective (if they are not to thick causing them to crack early) unless you hit metal. If you are going to hit metal then just use induction hardened blades. Third, try to avoid dirt and sand. Sand in the bark will wear your blade out faster than anything (excepting rocks and metal).
Something else to consider. If you are not using guide rolers wit bearings you are going to have a difficult time sawing straight lumber. Rolers push the blade down slightly to isolate the cutting part from the vibrations of the wheels, and give the blade strong support without causing friction. Guide blocks can not push the blade down slightly to remove vibrations from the band wheel without rubbing the blade and also are more effected by dirt and pitch on the blade.
Good luck with your sawing and keep your wheels and guid bearings aligned!
I had a customer change his 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" blades and it improved his accuracy ( deviation ) hugely.
Don't own a mill ...just watch a lot of saw milling videos.... just noticed how many reply's to questions in your comments section . Thanks for taking the time to reply . Learn a lot.👍😁😀😎
Thanks I appreciate it
Just bought a woodland mills 126 and will be delivered in sept. Going to build a off grid cabin on my property using pine off the property. Thanks for the info on the blades
Thanks for the info I'm a newbie and I'm really trying hard and any extra of information on anything I greatly appreciated thanks again Jr.
up date from my last replay. Best blades ever for the 126 or any woodland sawmill. I just recieved my second batches of 10 from piper saw shop.
Awesome man! Glad that u like them
I took your advice and my mill is cutting like a beast. I'm on my fith log . Couldn't be happier . I made a video for it.
I like your video " I'm a Cajun man from da Louisianne my frand ! I just bought me a 126 ' I love it ' i'm from around Lake Charles Louisiana ' we got plenty of trees to mill here ' 2 hurricanes a month apart ! Oh Yeh .
Love bloopers!!!! That would be awesome!!
That’s great advice my friend 👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks for info on bands
Check your mill for cross alignment, I have a Woodland HM 122 and it was out quite a bit. If you have a tensioned blade on the wheels and you turn the wheels backwards and the blade trys to run off the back you have cross alignment. It actually causes a twist in the band blade. A wider thicker band will mask the problem.
I was the sawyer at a mill that ran a Sanborn with 5" bands, had wavy cuts, turned out to be cross alignment.
On horizontal bandmills the tracking (tooth over hang from the front of the wheel face and back overhang) is adjusted on the horizontal alignment of the wheels. Cross alignment is corrected by the vertical alignment. Another check is with a tensioned blade on the mill take a 1' level and check the vertical plumb of the wheels. If the bubble is different they are cross aligned.
It's adjusted similar to blade alignment. Take your guides off the mill. Put a tensioned band on. Check wheels with a level vertically. Adjust the alignment bolts on the top and bottom of the driven pull til they are plum with each other. Also the belts and bearings in the wheels must be in good not very worn condition. Count the flats as you go as a reference. Just like adjusting the alignment back the tension handle off one turn before adjusting the bolts. Then tension to spec, turn the wheel forward (cutting direction) then rotate it backwards, when correct the band with remain in position and not move forward or rearward on the backwards rotation.
Now if the wheels when plumb with each other are not level with the sawmill log bed that can be adjusted by the wear slides that the head moves up and down on.
I am probably clear as mud trying to explain this. If it doesn't make sense I'll try to explain it better. Kevin
Also I'm not saying a wider thicker gauge band isn't better, the more metal to resist the forces the better. It's just the thicker wider bands can mask the underlying problem that causes poor performance.
The small blades I used cut fine but was not very durable, the biggest problem I had was hard woods like hickory it would cut them but I would have to change the blade pretty much as soon as I cut one hickory log. Your right about the alignment but when it comes to performance of blades in my opinion the turbo7 out performs any of the small blades that I have tried especially in durability. I’m not sure a hm122 would run the thicker blades because the blades are shorter so it may make the blades to stiff to get them cut that short.
@@TheOutdoorsGuy the thicker gauge would be tight on the small wheels of the 122 for sure. I understand the durability issue I wasn't disagreeing that point, just that the wider higher gauge blades can mask alignment issues.
I'll say the Woodland mill has the best assembly manual for a mill I've seen. Operation and tuning of the mill not so much. The tech department said they'd rather have someone call if they have issues...
Well said ,I pay 24.00 a blade from an old Sawyer who has a sawmill and I found the only problem I noticed was the sawhead was losing tension because it only tightens with a Jack bolt so until I can fix a hydraulic tensioner I just make sure of the tension every cut and everything stays true
Thank you for the forthright thoughtfully put together lessons learned bro-han! I just put together my HM-122. Very impressed. It is a robust machine. I know I am a real greenhorn, but I am like a sponge and should ramp up quick in this swim lane as has been my custom in life. I ordered a bunch of RIPPER 37 Blades from the UK. I will start off with the factory blade and then move on to the R37. I will be cutting mostly Yellow Tulip Poplar and Pine. I am going to build my Saw Mill Shed first then a Post and Beam Garage. I am always engineering it in my mind and drawing/drafted to scale these two structures. I could not be more excited about something! :)
Hey, how did this go for you? Which blades do you like best? Putting together my HM122 right now and curious what you have found out in the last two years since you got yours. Thanks!
Love your content keep up the good work man.
Thanks buddy!
I have been wondering about this issue. I'll try them!
Wow sounds like something I will try when my Norwood hd36v2 gets here. Maybe November?
I'm wanting to order some for my hm126 I do soft wood and hard.
And yes the blades I got from woodland mills is easy to end up wavy.
Thanks for the heads up and the info. I'm just setting up my HM130 max and this will help.
Cant beat the man with experience.
Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge. I can relate 100% to everything you said. You really hit the nail on the head for me. Been going nuts trying to perfect the levelness of the mill, only to be disappointed with waves and varying thickness from the beginning to the end of the slab. Let me ask you, do you find better results with silvertip or double hard blades on the turbo 7s?
Hi would you please describe with a short video about how you had to widen your blocks for these better blades ?
and if you want a sharpening video would be helpful
My 126 is on the way so I'm all in on your advice here. Cant thank you enough. Subbed for sure👍😎👌
Thanks man and you will love it
Looking at pipers i only see silver tip and not lazer 7..ill call them on monday...thanks for the info and Merry Christmas
I run a 30hp diesel mill and use .42 1 1/4 blades which cut great and straight using all the power the diesel has. most times 600 to 800 bf, 10 to 15 smaller logs or a couple of big 350 bf logs. The best thing you could do is get rid of those ceramic guides and put on some roller guides from Cooks with 1/4 down pressure. 1 1/2 .55 cost way too much and will break way sooner
Mines only a 14hp I’d say that 30 eats
I'd have to agree. I have 42 hp Diesel and run the 1 1/4 blades and never use water. I don't have problems cutting 6-8 big logs on one blade.
You are good guy nice to listen , I have that machine long time, works well, I have some innovation I can share
Great video and information, Ive owned my 126 for about the same time frame and cannot get the waves out. I like my woodland but frustrated on the cut. Planning on ordering those blades you recommend
Great video! Thanks for sharing that information. I have an HM122 and mainly cut red oak. I use a good steady flow of water/washer fluid and go slow on anything over 10" wide. No problems with the 1-1/4" blade but minimal lube will cause me to have a wavy cut. Also, I cut mainly in the fall/winter so the operation does run cooler anyways. For this machine with only a 7hp engine, I think a 1-1/2" blade might be pushing it over the edge. The HM130 appears to be a much bigger machine that can handle the 1-1/2".
Thank you!
I have hardwood so I needed to know this! TU
Thx for the hint
I ordered these blades for my homemade mill and they make a drastic difference. Almost no dipping and rising. ++
Glad u like them man they helped me out especially with hard wood
Awesome video man. Would you be willing to give some advice on how you get a hold of someone to cut tie?
Could you show the difference of the results between the blades? And would you make the same recommendation for a bit smaller saw HM122?
Just bought 2 .55 x 1.5 wood mizer 767 profiles. I'll let you know how they perform.
Hey thanks for the tip, I ordered the blades because of the waves in the wood, do the wide blades sit the same as the 1-1/4 flush on the back of the wheels or do you push them back a 1/4”?
If I had a saw mill I would heed your advice
Very interesting, quick video on the guide blocks modifications?
I’ll make a video at the first of next week and post it
@@TheOutdoorsGuy thx buddy, happy milling!
Can you post a link for the video? I can't find it.
I have a 126 also and I agree. The lennox blades aren't what I was hoping they would be. I bought 4° blades from Kasco and I will say my little mill has come alive. That little 14hp feels so much more capable in large hardwoods and there is no comparison. I'm not knocking on lennox, they make an awesome blade, it's all about the grind profile and tooth set. Lennox should of suggested to woodlands a different blade configuration altogether.
I had no idea just how that issue affected performance. I assure you it does.
I agree and plus woodland charges 25$ a blade and that’s outrageous!
I'll never buy another lennox woodmaster blade ever again
I tried dozens of lennox blades and they are poor quality
They almost never have the correct set
Are you using 1 1/2 .055 blades as well ?
@@joshuaadams7618 no, I use
1 1/4" .045 blades. Plenty of steel to sharpen when I can justify buying or building a sharpener.
There comes a point when Hp lost becomes a thing no one wants to waste. As these little mills sure have value they are a bit short on hp to drag such a large blade. I almost want to see what effect an even smaller blade has to offer compared to what I currently use.
So this is my opinion take it for what it's worth to you.
Hey man thanks for the video, I am definitely feeling your frustration. I’ve been sharping and setting my own blades with little success. In my neck of the woods it cost $15 to have blades sharpened and set “professionally “, plus shipping. That kinda makes milling inefficient cost wise.
Really great video mate, I have suffered from waves cuts and have tried to stay on top of all the other ‘setup’ aspects, but still have issues sometimes with Aussie hardwoods. One question I had was about blade position on the wheels, they recommend the back of the blade is just flush or slightly proud of the back of the wheel, in your experience was this the same for the wider blades or did you need to increase the overhang of the blade?
Yes the same the only thing I changed is I would only torque the wider blade to 16lbs instead of 25lbs
I think it would be the same as when you are pushing on the mill the blade is going to move to the back of the guide
My HM 130 and I are not getting along well. I hope this helps. I will order some tomorrow. . Every time I fire it up I am nervous and tense. Is the blade going to fly off and break some teeth? Is it going to dive? Not enough water? Too much water? It knows I am afraid of it - like a horse. I saw black walnut, oaks, hickory. I have some great boards to show for it but it seems like I struggle more than most. Glad to hear you say your WM gives you some challenges. When I call them, they act like I am the only guy with challenges. Thanks!
Tension and your guides should be all you ever mess with after it's set up right. Tracking is a finicky thing but if set up right it makes a world of difference with day to day sawing.
loosen the bolts on your carriage. all the ones on the big black brackets on each side . shake the hell out of your mill roll it back and forth and re tighten.
That's good to know. I have an HM126 Woodlander and I will give that a try. Do you know if i can still sharpen them with my 1.25" WM sharpener and tooth setter?
I have a woodmizer lt27 and i ues woodmizer blades and i cut up to 20 logs before changing blades with 1 1/4 blades.If I dont hit any rock or dirt I cut for 2to 3 hrs before changing blades
Well I ain’t ever found one that good yet and u may have a debarker on ur mill I don’t and how long is ur blade mine is 144”
Pitch and set very important also. I have Doug Fir and Western Larch, Lodgepole Pine, Spruce primarily, and occasionally White Birch. Factory blades from Norwood, Woodmizer and others do not cut as long as Custom ones from a local Saw Specialist, which are quite reasonably priced. Good Video. Thanks.
Great info man I appreciate the comment
Can these blades be sharpened on the Woodland sharpener? Thanks!
Thank you for the info, how do I get those blades?
I also just got my woodlands mill 126 and the book that tells you how to put it together, well either I’m missing pages or doing something wrong cause a lot of the book don’t tell you how to completely put it together, and I couldn’t see where you got your blades from or site
you da man
Do you have the 14hp Kohler on your hm126? I was looking up these blades and wood mizer suggests 25hp+ for the thicker .045 and larger blades and also suggest higher HP for anything over 1¼. Obviously you're having a good experience with them on your hm126 which is the same mill I have but just wondering if you put a bigger motor on it or if you experienced it bogging too much in wider logs? Can you confirm the thickness and width? Video mentioned .055" thick by 1½ wide. I've used Lenox and WM 1¼x.042" blades and like you said, ~3 pine/cedar logs out of them before they dull. Little more from the Lenox than the WM but have been curious about trying something different. Ours has the 14hp kohler. thanks
I have the 14hp on mine only difference is I torque the thicker blades to 16 lbs instead of 25
Got the same blades and what a difference way to go bro. Blasting your video on woodland mills forum's
Thanks man I appreciate it
When you use the wider blade( 1 1/2") do you keep the teeth proud the same amount as the 1 1/4" and let the extra hang out on the back of the wheel 1/4". or is it split 1/8" + front and back. thanks
I just left my bearings set where they were and let the bl;ade stick out. they have worked great since I made the change he recomended. Woodlandmills HM130
I just subscribed to the channel. Interested in the blade supplier info. My mill uses 177 ‘’ blades. Definitely looking for a good blade supplier. Thank you for the information
Thanks for the insight on the blades. Are you finding that stepping up to the inch and a half blade on your wheels if they are braking quicker? If you could what size wheels are you running? Any insight you have would be helpful to me. Thanks.
Same size wheels the only thing I do different is I torque my blades to 16lbs not 25
Thanks. I’m in the middle of building a sawmill and I have 18” wheels. I’m wanting to run a 1 1/2 blade but I’m reading 18” radius might be to tight for a that size of blade. So I was wondering what size wheels you have and if it has been an issue ? Thanks
@@TheOutdoorsGuy Would have been helpful if you mentioned the torque change in the video. it makes sense that thicker width and thickness of the blade would need less tension. How did you come to the 16 lbs. conclusion? did you start at 25 and lower gradually. What made you lower the tension. BTW this is a great video with excellent information. Also maybe show what yoiy did with the guide. Thank you.
@@chasjacks9378 to be honest I use to hand tighten every blade then check it with a torque wrench and 16 lbs was the average so I stuck with it and it’s worked perfectly for me and at the time of this video I hadn’t purchased a torque wrench
Thanks for the info, did you mention from where you are buying your blades?
There in the description it’s pipers saw shop
Where did you order. How many teeth per inch? Juniper is really hard equipment. 1 1/2 x 144. Harbor freight sawmill it was used, didn’t have a engine when I bought it, but $1200. I have a 10hp electric start for free. Works well for me on pine. Just looking for blades hold up to juniper. Thanks for info, anything could help at this point. Fifty logs 8-10ft long fifteen to twenty dia.
Check description it’s got there contact number
How did you get that job sawing ties for the rr?
How do you widen your side blocks?
What is the profile on the blades that you are using?
thanks so much man. i had the same problems and really hope these blades do the trick !!!!
i did subscribe and will come a patreon( if these blades save me money you might as well get some, Right?) are you able to order online and do they deliver in canada. im cutting alot of cedar, any tips.
I’m pretty sure u gotta call and order they are some great people I’m pretty sure they will deliver anywhere! Thanks for the subscribe I appreciate it very much! The blades are great they are the only thing I run now
Can you tell me what brand and supplier you got the blades
i recieved the recommended band from piper saw shop. definitely a beefier blade i have the same sawmill as you what is your tension on these blades
16lbs
Please tell us how to contact the blade manufacturer you recommend. Enjoyed the show. God Bless
Will it work on Norwood 36 hd
What brand are you using?
i don t see the info to where i can get the blades ???
But how many logs could you saw on one blade if you had log saw your logs.
1.5in 0.55 steel does cut flatter but you gotta have the extra HP to pull the coil stock. I run 2in 0.55 on a large 70hp bandmill and can cut flat even in large live oak. Truthfully, many smaller sawmills don't have th hp to pull 0.55 coil stock. Price also goes up exponentially when you graduate from 1.25 up to 1.5 or 2in stock. Munksfur makes the best quality coil stock for the price. Just my 2 cents.
Mines 13hp and it seems to run fine and I’ve ran the blades for quite sometime now. Price was about 5$ different
Whats the contact information on the thicker blades for th hm126?
How many blades do you have to order to get that price
I can't find your description!,,
I didnt see a link for blades ?
any chance you can send a picture of your blade guides?
Yeah message me on Instagram and I’ll send ya a pic
what do you do for sharpening?
I send mine to pipers saw shop they charge around6$ to sharpen it
Flatness is the key
Agreed but man those thick blades destroy hard wood and last so much longer
You are correct……waves in the boards.
Like others have posted, I don’t see a description of the brand and seller of the bandsaw blades.
It’s right at the bottom in the description
Can you please give me info on where to get these blades. Thanks
It’s in the description it tells there phone number and everything
I have been thinking of going to a wider blade on my msg ,and for my 1 1/4 blades I pay 24 .00 so 18.00 a blade would be a god send I'm sure the bigger roller guides are a little spendy but I'm sure it would work out in the long run.i scribed to your channel so I could get more info on this,which might help me out since I am making an extension on my mill so I can cut 20 ft. Beams
Even if u stick with the 1 1/4 blade pipers saw shop only charges around 15$ per blade and it don’t matter how many u order
I appreciate you getting back to me and I'll definitely have to give them a call.
Do you see any negative consequences on the machine wear with the wider blade after more experience?
Nope only difference is I torque the wide blades to 16 lbs versus the thin blades I can torque to 25
@@TheOutdoorsGuy I sent Piper's a message. Thank you for making the video to help other people.
Maybe I'm missing something... Where do you order your blades from? Thanks, PK
It’s in description
@@TheOutdoorsGuy I definitely missed something.. lol. Thank you!
@@patrickking4901 your welcome buddy have a good one
not only that but i can sharpen more times
you said you had to change your blade guides with the wider blade???
No I just opened the blocks a little I didn’t have to change anything
what brand are they?
Woodmizer turbo 7 I believe
Do you sell the railroad ties to the railroad or to consumers?
It’s a contractor for the rail road
Could u send info. Ere to buy those blades
Ty
There number and the names of the blade is in the video description. I’m not sure u would have to call pipers and see if the blades would fit I know they can cut them any length u want
What brand are the blades?
Woodmizer turbo 7
Did I miss the brand and contact info for the blades?
It’s in the description man
@@TheOutdoorsGuy where and how do I get into the description
@@lloydskarsen1813 it’s pipers saw shop u can type it in on google and it will bring it right up
Could you write here new sawband specs?
I presume that you've accounted for all other variables in the setup of the sawmill to conclude that the 1.25" wide blade is the culprit? Ie blade tension, sharpness, tracking, etc
Yeah lol cuts pine and popular fine but when it comes to oak or hickory those 1.25 blades don’t like it at all
And thicker blades last longer that’s what I love about it but if u love ur blades stick with them man whatever works best for u
Can you give me the name and number to where I can order these blades
In the description has phone number and everything
How do I find the brand info?
It’s a woodmizer turbo 7
Wonder how much extra horsepower is needed to run that 1-1/2" blade vs a 1-1/4" blade?
I can't tell a diiference. My 14 hp HM130 does just fine wiht the 1 1/2. The teeth are the same and that is the only thing that produces drag for the engine to power. You don't need a bigger motor - Just better blades!
It wasn’t clear how you were sharpening and setting your blades, when you said you got 3 logs from a blade. I will say that the stock hm126 blades, which I believe are Lennox blades, sharpen just fine, but you can’t really set them, so you’re limited to a few light sharpenings. If you’re getting that much wave there are two things to look at - sharpness and tension. Even with the stock blades I only ever got waves if I let them get dull.
Oh, and that assumes mill alignment is on, as discussed in a comment below.
Please give me you blades source, I want some of the 1 1/2 blades
I did the name and phone number is in description
wow 50$ in Canada
A better solution would be to drop your hook angle. Most sawmill manufacturers supply 10 degree. 7 or even 4 works better.
Mine are going dull too fast, im cutting sugar pine.
U get the turbo 7s?
just was on the website for the turbo 7 blades and they want 0.055 x 1 1/2 x 144;739°
$27.09 is that right you were saying 15.00 am i on the wrong path
Can you send me the link for where you get your blades from
The number is in the description I’m not sure if they have an actual website
www.piperssaw.com/index.php?category=5
Only 7 logs per blade is so expensive. Hopefully its a 25 ft log
Lol nope hardwood is rough on the ole Manuel saw mills
I find it hard to believe that this was the best decision of your life.
I tell u another one, coleslaw on pulled pork. Thank me later.
stop cutting with blunt blades, you wont get waves, and I have tried the 1 1/2 x 055" blades and have gone back to 1 1/4, the sharpen better, set easier and take less power to cut