In full: Post Office chief who ‘made postmaster’s widow sign NDA’ gives evidence
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- A former Post Office boss accused of making a sub-postmaster’s widow sign a non-disclosure agreement after he killed himself over a £100,000 discrepancy in his Horizon accounts will give evidence to the inquiry today.
Angela van den Bogerd, who was at the organisation from 1985 until 2018, is alleged to have travelled to the home of Gina Griffiths after her husband Martin died aged 59 in September 2013.
Mr Griffiths’ sister, Jayne Caveen, told The Times Ms van den Bogerd pressured Mrs Griffiths into signing a settlement deal and non-disclosure agreement that prevented the story from emerging until 2022.
Mr Griffiths’ suicide and its aftermath was depicted in ITV drama Mr Bates vs the Post Office.
Ms van den Bogerd has denied the allegations, saying: “I remain deeply saddened by the tragic death of Martin Griffiths and my involvement from my recollection is not as portrayed in The Times article of Jan 9, 2024, or indeed the ITV drama.”
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A woman who was promoted multiple times, to the point where she was senior enough to brief a parliamentary committee on the PO’s behalf, and yet, it would seem that, she didn’t have any responsibility for anything, in any of her roles.
None of them do. It's quite a phenomenon.
Shut up, she is stunning and brave and must be believed.
She reminded me on Manuel in faulty tower.... I know nothing.... 😂
It makes one wonder if they actually did any work at all....just meetings about meetings
I don’t recall, I don’t remember, it doesn’t come to mind.
All these people have terrible memory problems 🤷🏻♂️
There needs to be a criminal trial at the end of this enquiry, people have to go to jail for a very long time.
Completely agree !!! - those responsible need to be held accountable for their decisions.
disagree .. they should be striped of all assest and all money’s earned from the POL and bonuses returned they should be broken then and only then should they go on trial . they should be given the same treatment they dished out .. every single penny of tax payers money returned no if's or buts .
Oh absolutely but will it. If there is one will it result in custodial sentences for any of them. Sadly I doubt it
Another box ticker in a job not qualified to do. Out of her depth.
And a BIG salary
DEI has a lot to answer for, however anyone with common sense would have known that already. The quality of politicians today is probably at an all time low.
Cold as ice.
No empathy from her at all.
What a cold callous vile individual. Very intelligent but just horrible, ‘it didn’t register with me’ is her fall back position when found to be complicit in this terrible saga. She is clearly lying. How can she live with herself when protecting a ‘brand’ yet ruining people lives in doing so. We are not stupid, despite her continual slimy evasion of actually admitting her major part in this scandal Jason Beer has laid bare the part she played. This is one despicable human being.
And proud to be called a woman of the Church
Minimum 15 years in Prison + bankruptcy 😂😂😂
Wouldn't that be nice
A brilliantly sustained forensic examination of the witness. Can't wait for Ms Vennells' appearance at the inquiry. They're saving the best to last.
She isn’t believable
I don't remember receiving that email but I do recall that I didn't read it.
How convenient.
An evil machine requires a plenitude of banal efficient soulless cogs
The banality of evil.
Yes exactly.
They must all be sociopathic and or psychopaths.
She remembers only when she can point responsibility at someone else.
Mark my words, nobody will face punishment over the Post Office scandal. Just like Hillsborough, Stephen Lawrence, Bloody Sunday. NO ONE WILL BE PROSECUTED. Why go through the pretence.
The Guildford 4, the Maguires, the Birmingham 6, Blair Peach, etc etc etc. The billions in PPE fraud is less important than a few quid potentially owed by Carers or people on benefits.
And the NHS contaminated blood scandal
Absolutely correct on that one mucker. It'll all be sweet under the carpet as per usual
These people thought that they were above the law and untouchable, alas that has turned out not to be true and all the spin she is putting on is an act of a desperate woman, one that helped put innocent people behind bars and she knew it!
people have died because of this woman, families wrecked, nothing but a long jail sentence
Just as evil as Vennells. They also had a general counsel, Jane MacLeod hiding in NZ and refusing to testify. She needs a lot of looking at. It's clear they made bad choices in systems and partners and instead of admitting these projects were total crap they hid the facts and blamed post masters for the symptoms ruining lives. It's just sickening. This creep and Vennells need to go to jail - and probably their GC too, who should be extradited
Just started and she is correcting 8 lies. Word salad, why can't they answer the question directly. She resigned, was not made redundant. She was not entitled to a redundancy pay out.
Exactly right! Not a genuine 'Redundancy situation' atall! Either she wanted out OR they wanted her out. Either way they had to shut her up with a BIG Settlement £££££payment & NDA. The corruption, lies, laziness, overpromotion & incompetence on blatant dispay from these people is sickening - and from yet another 'Taxpayer funded' Govt Org👎👎👎
Caught out. Prison beckons
Sir Walter Scott 1808 “Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive”
Angela van den Bogerd knew that Horizon could access the Sub Postmasters computers remotely since December 2010.
There is an e mail to prove that.
Liar liar pants on fire. I know nothing !
The only laws these Post Office executives have not broken is traffic offences. What are the Police playing at!!!!!!!
They are far too busy with other nonsense laws to bother with this. It would mean rolling their sleeves up and having to do some hard work...
A comment from somebody the other day. If this is the Post Office what must the management in the NHS be like??
We'll never know because everyone loves the NHS right?
Look at the claims for medical negligence. It would be interesting to know if the numbers have exploded since the deliberate underfunding since 2010. Then find out if Hunt, his successors and cabinet colleagues knew.
absolutely good comment. Needs complete restructure
A reflection of a political bias. Private sector is also full of these characters!
To this day they are all blaming one another hoping that S***t sticks . Unreal
Is it any wonder that this happened? Everyone who has testified seems so inhuman. Completely removed from the emotions that accompany this kind tragedy.
I agree. People lost their livelihoods and freedom and lives over this and they couldn't care less. Disgusting individuals
Her memory isn't very good
Like the rest ? ' I can't recall?'
WHY do people begin an explanation with...
So..
She believes that because information had been forwarded to her and not sent directly to her first hand then she can ignore it.
How incompetent.
Just send them to jail!!!! Liars all!!
“I don’t remember” is the key takeaway from all of these criminals
give all the post office investigators, lawyers, managers, directors & CEO lie detector tests!
So this woman held a very senior position and yet knew nothing. The biggest problem here is neither POL management or Fujitsu executives will personally be affected either monetarily or career-wise.
That is immoral and shameful.
A typical top level manager with a soulless soul
This sounds very like a person who has been promoted beyond their level of incompetence, and having climbed the slippery pole has expended a great deal of energy clutching onto such unexpected heights.
They must have all been schooled by the same brief, "I don't recall"
It seems to me that ALL these managers have had so much time to prepare and be advised by lawyers prior to giving evidence that they are all going to get away with it. I bet no police prosecution will ever take place.
I have seen a series of these interrogations now. This guy is a forensic steamroller. If I came before him in a criminal case, even if I were innocent, I would change my plea to guilty rather subject myself to what he has been putting these crooks through. .
this iformation she is giving should be dealt with the same way they dealt with the postmasters...not to believe and charge her to go to court and onto jail. utter disgrace
Imagine getting a widow to sign an NDA to suppress the truth from coming out.. The word Evil is not good enough for her and her cronies.
Lock them all up take away their pensions and give it to those who lost everything..
the word anomaly was used when the space shuttle blew up it plays down the accident
The same story as our rivers are telling us, faeces floats to the top.
This is very reminiscent of my time in the NHS. The further up I climbed the more I saw managers who don’t reply to emails raising risks and concerns and ask to discuss it “offline”, or did their utmost to cover things up.
Eventually I left the NHS, but I’m confident that one day I’ll see ex-colleagues in a similar such inquiry, and I look forward to seeing the thousands of emails belittling me when I tried to teach my managers about showing due diligence for patient wellbeing.
For everyone else out there fighting for justice, keep it up.
DWP, post office, HMRC & councils should ALL be stripped of powers to do interviews under caution or to bring criminal prosecution. Instead evidence should be sent to POLICE & crown prosecution service
All NDA agreements must be declared invalid for all public sector ex employees!
postmasters need justice and all of these people involved should have a prosecution made against them not to sweep under carpet. it works both ways...
Angela should be in jail along with Paula, they're both bad liars and clearly have no empathy for their victims!!
I've followed this for months - the Post office investigators, the people who came face to face with the sub postmasters, are indeed as consciousless and self-serving as any of the legal staff or board members - don't just look at where the buck stopped - they are all as vile as each other.
Why o these inquiries take so long? Because lawers charge by the hour!
Finally its all down to the Government at the day. I just say recover as much bonus and pay-outs we can then file them all in jail. The WW1 expression "brave solders led by donkeys" come to mind
This is what a Sociopath looks like. Classic.
Time charges were brought against them all in positions of power. Jail time is a must
In alternative circs, (eg a job application or on Desert Island Discs) this woman would refer to experience, status & ability as evidence of great achievement. Here she almost denies ever being involved in the Post Office as a senior manager. She employs the Nuremberg Defence & the James Murdoch 'I knew nothing despite being in charge" excuse. Pitiful.
She should be in jail at very least with key thrown away.
Total clarity about who (as long as it wasn’t her) compiled any information or who was responsible for various aspects of questioning from Me Beer, but zero memory about anything that she might be cornered on…the way she deflects and obfuscates is exactly what should tell us about her character. If the police can’t act on this then we have a problem, convenient memory loss is not a defence or an acceptable excuse in a law court.
How can she give evidence when she can't remember anything
Imagine being married to that.
So! She’s made redundant from one post and started a new post. Something stinks there
Disgraceful..
How do these people get these top level jobs???
THIS Woman & Paula Venells Her Boss are the two people who should 100% GO TO JAIL !
Karens all the way down. Another van der LYING
None of these criminals will ever be jailed ~ the "Establishment" will make sure of that.
If anything they'll all receive more bonuses and a Royal award.
They'll all walk away without any consequences. I would bet my pension on it. I would be also surprised if it even made it to court.
I know nothing! --- SOUNDS LIKE A 'FAULTY TOWERS SCRIPT" ------ SHE MADE A WIDOW SIGN A NON DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT! NDA --
The implications for elections !
It seems she was the perfect candidate for the job she had at the Post Office as she can't recall anything and didn't know what was going on.
It is so awful to hear these people who were collectively totally responsible for this incredible scandal, reading out before they pretend to answer questions and address issues, these completely meaningless and empty apologies.
So she’s saying that I wish we had uncovered the bugs and issues with the system but there was no evidence of any system bugs. However they were happy to blame and prosecute postmasters even though there were no evidence of wrong doing on the part of postmasters.
Criminal and should pay for the coverup or at least incompetence which caused many lives to be ruined
Corporate amnesia.
Her career history smacks of an employee who would cost too much to get rid of and was continually moved around 🤔
Oh mother i can feel the soil falling over my head
People are claiming Post office personal showed no empathy!
But wait, are we showing empathy for Post office personal?
many of use in IT may one day be sitting where these people are sitting now!
Bug means to me investigation along with a cost analysis! Are they all pleading incompetence!
she's been on the casting couch more than once 😂
She did what she was insructed to do...yes.. I was only following orders..isnt an excuse.. shes morally bankrupt...but she didnt make policy...Get to the decison makers... the rest are just examples of incompetent, sick individuals...
She and other key executive managers and lawyers obviously felt they had backing all the way up to the government that made a deal with Fujitsi, or they would not have created this conspiracy and engaged in these criminal acts so blatantly. I agree the policy makers should be accountable. But the criminal energy and disregard of any decency displayed by van den Bogerd, Vennels, Perkins, Singh and others at their executive management level requires taking them to account for their action. Lying in court and in hearings and being rewarded by keeping their performance bonuses cannot go unpunished. They could have left their jobs and got another well-paid executive position. Instead, they decided to do those criminal acts willingly and with enthusiasm, trying to find the most efficient ways of obfuscation and perversion of justice.
Yes they undertook their Jobs with zeal & a total dedication & were rewarded for it.. It’s what people are indoctrinated to do..by corporate culture.. justice could make examples of them.. But the real crime is the decision makers with the power to stop it..and didn’t.. These should pay the harshest penalty whatever age they are.. they must serve time.. but they won’t.
She 'missed' the same crucial information at least three times. But she has no difficulty recalling information that does not put in question her honesty or competence.
NDA should be banned unless it involves genuine intellectual property concerns
i cant figure out if she is playing dumb or actually knew nothing
Definitely lying.
At the very least she is totally incompetent.
100% lying.
SHE IS SO BUSTED!
Ah, Rodrick explains everything
How the rats lie and cheat to save their own skin, once again doesn't remember anything that would incriminate her.
Watch at how nervous she looks and the constant hand rubbing, I know what I think,prison time, about 10 years minimum.
Not guilty my lord
The remote entry 'technical' not sure how this would not be visible in audit?
If this case is saying low level personal at Fujitsu were randomly changing sub-post office accounts with out documenting and giving a reason?
Have these people been called in and explained how they did this and why they did this?
Has any one explained how this explains 100's of criminal cases, when this says 60 branches under migration to Horizon has an issue!
Can some explain and quantify what Fujitsu did, any support staff called to explain what they did?
Its hard not to draw some difficult conclusions from listening to this - that this individual did know about problems with Horizon and that she actively chose to obscure that knowledge and pursue the lie that the whole system was fit for purpose. Closer examination of events, dates and times should reveal whether perjury took place.
The country needs to know that where this sort of large scale dishonesty occurs, there are serious consequences.
If I had been asked for advice in the early stages. I would have advised that they compare prosecutions and such like the last few years before Horizon and the number of prosecutions in the first few years after Horizon. A marked jump would be reason for caution especially when accompanied by complaints.
This woman was instrumental in persecuting the Sub Post Masters
They've all got amnesia ....
My job description requires me to say I know nothing about anything.
I agree a good few of the seniors need wakening up. Three months in the clink with a reduction in pension would make others in other enterprises THINK. THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSEQUENCES.
Probably got a huge salary for doing sweet F A
The devil can take many forms
Disingenuous much?
The liars were heavily involved,!! Like her & Paula Venables
i dont remember i dont reflect what did she get paid for ?
Jail is too good for that gang of PO criminals
Ah Rodrick explains everything
technically if we have serious software accounting error, circumventions can be used to 'limp' on, that is if the 'bug' is not a show stopper.
It seems to me the whole investigation and enquiry seem to expect that an enterprise system should have no 'bugs' 'defect', exception!!!
Well, if they ever remake The Wizard of Oz, guess who will be a shoe-in for the role of the Wicked Witch of the West.
I guess skin care wasn't on top of her lists of things
When a person doesn't have anything of substance to say, then this is the kind of comment one posts ...
@@julierogers1155 pretty much
That's because her new job has her dunking her face in the dough to make gorilla biscuits.
So
Van de buggered
The true nature of human beings
Disgusting
She’s as cold and heartless as she looks. Another triumph for DEI.