my main problem with this idea is that the game goes out of its way to emphasize that kris is not the one controlling noelle in snowgrave. she says that the voice commanding her isn’t kris’s and in the final battle, it’s specified that “you” call for noelle’s help, where as when you call for susie and ralsei kris is stated to be calling for help. i’m willing to believe that it is determination, but i don’t think it is for that reason
Yeah there’s some double-think going on in this video, acknowledging that Kris is under the control of the player but also not acknowledging that the player makes all the choices in Snowgrave
I agree, I was just about to comment this same thing. Also in her Chara point, Chara themselves said that your actions in the genocide route showed them what their goal is. Meaning the fact that we went out of our way to kill every monster showed Chara that we wanted the world to be gone. People demonize Chara too much imo
It can be interpreted that Noelle just does not want to believe that it is Kris and is in denial that it is actually Kris, i am not sure if that holds up with everything else, though.
Imagine Kris can actually hear what Spamton is saying throughout all the censors. No wonder Kris was so tense after the Spamton NEO fight, imagine the stuff they must have heard.
@@youtubeuniversity3638 if a theory doesnt take into account a fact that is clearly and blatantly put into a story that contradicts it, then its not a good theory.
@@chaosbeam4654 But as the video says, Kris gives us the option to make a genocide route, we don't have full control of how Kris says the things, or how Kris order other characters to act, when we do N-Action in the pacifist/neutral route, Noelle says something like "Kris? What are you telling me to do? Act?" making it clear that even if Susie and Ralsei have S-Action and R-Action it's Kris who says it to them, however Kris could just not give us these options, they could've give us entirely different options, but instead they allow us to choose to do a genocide route And that's different from Undertale, because Frisk can't act for themselves, we can't control the game they gives us, but in Frisk's case I don't think it's Frisk who give us options, but the game, Frisk can't say things in a specific way, they can't say something enthusiastically, softly or yelling, also I don't remember if Frisk can or cannot move by themselves in cutscenes
@@etruscanetwork no? Like, it’s very obvious Kris has no control over what you make them say or do. Again, look what happens when you say yes after the Spamton Neo fight. The Weird Route was entirely your fault
4:20 Do note that Weird isn't just about killing, you can do that and not get Weird route. It's about being _controlling_ toward Noelle, usurping her autonomy. 10:40 One thing to note is that we specifically have a lot of chances to _stop_ the Weird route, those being every time we get a dialogue choice that includes "proceed". Kris is actively giving us as many opportunities to stop as they can, but we still ultimately control which route they take.
But they also give you the choice to Proceed… so then that’s something they also want. If they don’t want that option then who is giving you that? Because you as the player have no control over which dialogue options are offered.
@@naniyotaka Kris can't control what the choices are. Otherwsie there'd be no reason for there to be some choices like saying you're fine post spamton in the normal route. Or for the final choice in chapter 2 where you can say Noelle or Ralsei with Sussie pointing out Kris disagreeing with either choice. So its either someone else or its a limitiation of the survey program used to connect to Kris to begin with.
I feel like Hyperlink Blocked could be Choice, A Choice, or Choices (possibly interchangeable) “You’ve been making [choices] haven’t you? And now that you have your own supply, you don’t need me!” “And i have just. The thing. You need. That’s. [choices]. You want it! You want [choices/a choice], don’t you?!” (Either works here) “Vacationing in the acid while you soak in the [Choices/Choice].” (Either works here)
That would be cool and fit with the theme, but unfortunately it's not. Quote: "BUT KRIS, IF YOU REFUSE. THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. I CAN'T FORCE YOU. I CAN ONLY [Kill] YOU [50-percent faster than similar products] OR [No Money Back!]"
@@itap8880 in dialogue windows there always only ONE option Kris is agreeing about and every other one is related to topic but not something what Kris would do
Thinking about it, in the snowgrave route, when you're on the hospital noelle scene, you can choose to move kris closer to noelle while noelle's speaking, and this is the first time we can move in a cutscene, couldnt this mean that you gain more control over kris on the weird route?
@@itap8880I think *SOME* options are what kris would pick Like saying he isn't ok, telling sans it's nice to meet him, the "escape" option in spamtons shop shows that he doesn't wanna be there and stuff
I do think now it could be considered "LOVE", or at least something close to it. As for the whole existence of Snowgrave, I don't think Kris particularly likes it? It feels quite out of character (based on the snippets of them we get from the Spamton Sweepstakes). I would imagine that this is all Player's influence, with the motive being exactly what Spamton says it is. Keep in mind that we, as the Player, have also been confined/restricted (we were supposed to get a vessel, and several times our choices are invalidated to some degree), so we are just as interested in Freedom as Kris is.
@@Maniac_l23That actually makes sense though, Spamton is a spam email personified and says stuff like “enlarge yourself” and “meet hot singles” so it makes sense hed make a crass joke about Kris and Noelle, especially cause snowgrave seems to have this unhealthy relationship metaphor, with the ring and the “were something else”, etc
@@Maniac_l23 it's really dark and i hate it too, but it honestly makes the idea more accurate. there's a lot of cases in the snowgrave route of the player forcing kris to emotionally manipulate noelle into thinking she loves them it also plays into the double meaning of the word LOVE. spamton says that kris has been making "love", and now that they have their own supply, they don't need spamton to give them LV anymore
I think it’s true, and I find it kind of funny that Spamton says ‘You’ve been making LOVE, haven’t you?’ Also, love as LV or romantic love makes sense. You kill everyone and buy a ring. LV is distancing yourself by killing. And rings are a symbol for marriage and love. Noelle wears white like a bride, and has many pure symbolisms, and spamton loves corrupting pure things.
My favorite example of Kris partially being in control is the yes/no question after the spamton fight. Kris clearly wants to say no in that instance. If you say yes it comes out as strained, you're fighting against him. But if you say no it comes out as a shout because your actions match Kris's wants. It really highlights the internal struggle between the two of you.
Personally, I think LOVE theory is the strongest of them. In the UNRELATED games, LOVE has two meaning and nicely fits into a double entendre like "Making LOVE"
i do think hyperlink block is either LOVE or determination… both are messed up and i wouldn’t mind exploring and learning about both of these also very very appreciate how well paced this video is ur a legend
This video is so cool. And yes I'm pretty sure the SOUL is just the player, and our reason for advancing is to just see what happens. Don't we all want Kris to be free as well? Most of us, at least. Even though we know it's a game, and we wanna play it, and that means controlling Kris, most players don't even know about all of this anyways and just like Spamton. And the people who do know all of this, want to do it anyways.
I think [[hyperlink blocked]] at least in the "Hochi Mama" quote is LOVE, as in Level of Violence - because from a narrative and gameplay perspective, that's what you and Noelle have been "making" throughout the Snowgrave route. That said, I don't think [[hyperlink blocked]] has to refer to the same concept every time it comes up. As I see it, his hyperlinks get blocked whenever he tries to relate to concepts that concern the metaphysics of Deltarune, particularly the shared metaphysics of Deltarune and Undertale. It referring to Determination at least sometimes does sound plausible to me. And of course, Determination and LOVE are also linked.
Well, the plus side of it being "LOVE" is that it can be both love *AND* level of violence. Undertale has shown that the same word can have its meaning be context sensitive _post facto_ so it being a route dependent Schrödinger concept wouldn't be too far fetched
@@Idazmi7 "EN4RGE YOURSELF" -Spamton Also the queen as no problem saying raunchy things and she is the physical manifestation of the computer so it is most likely not being blocked for that reason. If anything its probably Spamtons way of keeping us, the player, in the dark about his plan while still cluing Kris in.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox The thing is, "enlarge" and "yourself" are not problematic words separately. Also, Queen, being Queen, is likely exempt from her own censorship.
@@Idazmi7 love is also a word that has many non-raunchy meanings. Why would a computer censor love (a word that has many innocent uses) but not enlarge yourself? Or Hoochi Mama for that matter, which is a phrase that ONLY has vulgar meanings. Also Queen being Queen I don't think would care enough to censor anyone else except maybe Berdly since she doesn't like him and he's the only person we see her using double standards for.
I do think you had a narrative in mind when making this theory, which led you to ignore crucial information. Still, your theory implies that Kris is okay with manipulating Noelle and killing Berdly to get the determination to overcome the red soul. Still, from what we know of Kris, they wouldn't try to murder the classmate they played minecrap with. I also think you ignored a lot of things in Snowgrave that imply that Kris has even less control than usual. For example, you called for Noelle, and the voice Noelle said didn't sound like Kris's voice, so unless we are Kris and Kris did a voice, those two things imply Kris wasn't in control of Snowgrave.
The biggest flaw I see in the theory is the simple question of: how was Spamton going to give Kris determination? Like, I know Spamton's a scam artist but it seems like he really values Kris and their deal, at least until it "goes wrong" and the deal doesn't result in Spamton's freedom as he thought. Is the Neo body filled with determination? Swatch says it was filled with "a lightners hopes" or something, so I guess it's possible, but Spamton still couldn't give that power to Kris to get rid of us. Unless Spamton's plan was always to steal Kris's soul to "free" them... But that would just put them in a new "hyperlink" situation with Spamton. But yeah, I think that's the biggest flaw left to overcome. Spamton promising Kris something like freedom or control makes a lot of sense as an attainable goal given Spamton figures out how to cut his own strings with the Neo body... but giving Kris determination? It's a little harder to explain.
It definitely seems like Spamton expected to gain a lot more power from the Neo body than he ended up getting, so maybe he thought he would gain enough to not only free himself but also break Kris' connection with the player? Though that explanation feels a bit off. Regardless of what Hyperlink Blocked means, it is really hard to figure out what Spamton thought he could do to help Kris
I think he assumed the Neo body would give him determination but it didn't, although it's powerful in it's own right. As a result, he needs Kris' soul instead, his determination, because the Neo body doesn't have any, or, not enough. I'm not sure Spamton _actually_ wanted to help Kris or just saw them as another person in a similar position and used that to make a tool out of them. Remember he doesn't seem to like Jevil even though he's another person in a similar position, but because his perception of it is different he probably had no interest in helping Spamton which led to that resentment. I actually think it's more likely that Spamton actually begins to care about Kris' fate through the process of the pacifist Neo fight, and when his strings are cut he makes that full swing to wanting the best for Kris, hence him offering himself up as the Dealmaker to give them his strength.
I think Spamton might have something to do with Asriel. Because in the light world he uses references people say when talking about Asriel. The cat guy assumes he is "off at college becoming a *big shot",* pizza pants talks about how he and Asriel would ride around in thei cungadaro looking to pick up chicks. I'm note sure if there are more references like this, but there might be another one. Its weird to think that Spamton might have a connection to Asriel of all people.
@@lorrainebrunner2490 Oh I've never heard the words "feed your thoughts" before either and that's such a beautiful phrase! Thanks for all the cool things you've brought to my mind hehe :)
_"When you have enough EXP, your LOVE increases. LOVE, too, is an acronym. It stands for "Level of Violence." A way of measuring someone's capacity to hurt. The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, the less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others"._ - Sans. It's LOVE. As in Level Of ViolencE. The Snowgrave route is _all about_ getting LV. *"YOU'VE BEEN [[Making]] HAVENT YOU? YOU'VE BEEN MAKING [[Hyperlink Blocked]]!"*
[Hyperlink Blocked] is obviously Big Shot Soda (If you don't know what that is look it up). Think about it. Take all the lines where Spamton says [Hyperlink Blocked] and replace it with Big Shot Soda. *You want Big Shot Soda don't you? *You've been making Big Shot Soda haven't you? *And sometimes in the morning, a little Big Shot Soda. It fits. Maybe Spamton is trying to link the Big Shot Soda's website, but Toby Fox is censoring it for copyright reasons.
One thing to note is that many save points say something along the lines of "you were filled with power," but in a different structure. Something more like "The power of [RELEVANT THING] shines within you." This has been a thing since chapter 1. Being filled with power isn't necessarily something special to snowgrave route, but in snowgrave, you and Noelle are filled with power directly (probably from all the killing), instead of using the power of your friends.
10:37 OK BUT I DIDN'T MAKE KRIS SAY "YES". Idk why you people are obsessed with making them lie, kid just had to fight a kindred spirit by cutting his strings. And you also make them lie??? I honestly made Kris say "No" to Susie's question because I don't think they were ok at the moment. I find it amazing that Kris cries it out, they scream it out, like a catharsis of feelings being allowed to pour out of them. I don't get why everyone is so cruel with Kris... Make em strain out a lie??? When their best friend is there for them, asking them about how they feel.
At the end of a weird route Noelle says there’s something wrong with Kris that no one else seems to notice and she wants to find out why. She’s determined to uncover Kris’s secret, and I think this will be much more important than her power in the dark world
My favorite theory is that there is only one ending to deltarune: Kris gets their freedom. But the way they do so, and who helps them, depends on the route
We (red soul) don't have full control because Kris has enough determination to resist and don't allow full control of him we has only control over his body not mind. That's creepy
Fun fact: Chara doesn't actually make us do anything in the Genocide route. Who decided to start killing monsters in the first place? Who pressed forwards, even though the game was actively encouraging them to stop with difficult boss after difficult boss? If anything, we are influencing Chara.
Reminder that Kris and Frisk were not responsible for the snowgrave/genocide routes respectively! It was you. It was your doing. You played that game and made sure to wipe out any enemy you saw just to see what would happen. Don't shift blame to the person you controlled to execute these actions. anywaayyy other than that nice video
10:03 there are also many instance that can go against the idea that Kris is the one coming up whit the dialog and action options, why would he come up whit options of things he clearly shows he dosn't want to say or do? My main problem whit this theory is that the game goes out of it way to empatize how WE are making every part of snowgrave happen, not Kris. Noelle constantly remarks that the voice they hear is not Kris voice, on the snowgrave spamton neo fight when we need to call for help Kris refuses to call for Noel, changing the text from "Kris called for" to "you called for Noelle", so i don't think Kris is willingly doing any of it yo gain [Hyperlink block]. What's more Kris opening a dark fountain to try again to gain power wouldn't make much sense when Kris is shown trying to get help to deal whit the dark fountains in both chapters(if you go to the Police ofice and talk to Undyne he tries to alerta the Police and get them involve, giving more detail each chapter). In my interpretation Kris made sure that the Police was coming to their house, left the door open for them to get in and made sure Susie was whit him before he opened the fountain, probably to make it easier for them to close it later. Unrelated, but i want to clarify that in Undertale, while Chara obtains more power and control over Frisk body the more they level up, they are not the one that initially influencie their actions to kill, Chara spirit is atached to Frisk on every route, they gaining control is a consequences of a genocide, but it is not the couse of said genocide, the one that starts and goes trough whit the genocide is very firmly stablish to be us, the one playing
There is another link you can make that [Hyperlink Blocked] is determination: the nature of a hyperlink is that it takes you to a different site, which we could deduce might be the universe of undertale. Another curious thing is that spamton also censors the word "Lightner", the signs next to it when he says it are editing signs that imply the full word has been cut. We have a clue as to what the full word is, as King says it in refference to Kris in chapter 1: "Lightbringer". Seeing as King can say Lightbringer and queen can say "determined" it seems main story bosses have less restrictions but also less knowledge than the "unprecedented variables" that the super bosses are to the main route of the game. Something is clearly trying to railroad us slowly into a specific story and the secret bosses pose a threat to that, ralsei being there to ensure we stay on proper track.
I see what you mean on all three theories. I like the idea that it literally mean hyperlink blocked, but ive seen a good theory the word thats being blocked is "choices". As you see throughout deltarune 'if you haven't gotten it by now, your choices dont matter.' its brought up a bit during chapter one.
I feel so bad for kris, my idea is that whatever is narrating at the start (character customization) gave us control over kris' body and he is forced to think and behave as we say and he keeps trying to stop us by ripping the soul from his body, but we keep returning into control of him
I imagine if we follow this theory that it may be that the soul wants this connection severed since it was forced into Kris when they had made a vessel and had it discarded unfairly. They want to try and remake the connection, but have it where they are doing it with the vessel they made.
We do, in fact, know why determination allows player-character separation. Sans says, in the judgment hall, that LOVE is the ability to, quote: "Distance yourself."
I think Hyperlink Blocked is "blocked" because the computer the Cyber World was made from was a school computer and on school computers (at least where I go to school) block certain websites
something about the saves and hyperlink blocked is that since the word determination never actually appears in the saves you could say that it's blocked from the game which would make spamton incapable of saying it directly
It's love. LV. It makes sense for it to be censored in the dark world revolving around the internet, they don't want darkners going around murdering others to "get stronger". And the cherry on top is the line that refers to Kris and Noelle making [hyperlink blocked] on the weird route. They've been killing, making LV. It's love.
I came up with that exact theory. Besides, Spamton saying "You want some [hyperlink blocked], don't you?" immediately reminded me of Flowey's "You want some LOVE,don't you?", so there's that as well.
I like the JJJ theory that it's LOVE. I generally tend to believe that it's anything that a certain force doesn't want Spamton to say, so it could be different things in different instances, but it does fit really well. Stuff like "You want some [HYPERLINK BLOCKED], don't you?" Would suddenly allude to Flowey's "You want some LOVE, don't you?", and then there's the innuendo of "You've been making LOVE". There's also the classic Toby Fox double meaning, stuff like determination being determine-ation and de-termination, but it refused also meaning but it re-fused, maybe Kris wants love, to feel like they're not alone anymore and someone cares who they are and what they want. In the Snowgrave route, the player wants LOVE, the ability to become stronger and test the limits of this world. Spamton seems to want both.
theory 2 is honestly really interesting i never thought of that, but what's hyperlink blocked in the japanese translation? im pretty sure toby has a big part in the localization so if the theory can't apply there its probably safe to say its disproven
I always thought that "Hyperlink Blocked" was entirely just that, an hyperlinked that was censored for security reasons. Why? _Mainly because Spamton uses a metric-ton of unrestricted hyperlinks in his Sweepstakes_
I think [Hyperlink Blocked] is just exactly what it says, a hyperlink to a website that gets blocked. Maybe because of a server outage, or maybe for some reason the armor Kris wears has a built-in antivirus that blocks the site? I just think that it's a link to a sketchy website that gets blocked.
It's always weird to me how Chara was able to "possess" (?) Frisk from the beginning, to the point that the menus say Chara's name and not ours name It's also interesting that Kris is so opposed to us controlling them, but Frisk was completely fine with it
The difference is that Frisk is a toddler, and Kris is an angsty teen lmaooo But to be more serious, I think Frisk being younger could be a part of it. They've had less time to form a personal identity, so it is easier to override them when compared to Kris. Also Kris is abnormally determined so that may be part of it
I think frisk has less control because not only are they younger, and have some influence via chara narrating the world to them and us, but they also have our input based on the descriptions they hear from chara It's also important to note that empathy is a learned trait
I'm pretty much convinced at this point that it's a lot more simple than people think. The issue with the "Freedom" theory isn't really a real one, as the hyperlink is likely not blocked because of what text is displayed. If it said "Freedom" that wouldn't be the reason it'd be blocked, so it appearing in other dialogue isn't an issue. Instead, the reason it's blocked is because it's a *hyperlink,* which, no offense, I don't quite think you gave a good definition of. A hyperlink isn't just a link you can click on, it's usually a piece of regular text with a link attached, making it function like a link but displaying as any piece of text the user would want. These actually appear all across the Sweepstakes in item descriptions completely unblocked, and it's honestly what's convinced me that Hyperlink Blocked is something else each time it appears. The one line that always stumps any one concept interpretation of it for me is the line "THEN WE WILL TRANSFER. MY [[Hyperlink Blocked]]." when he's talking about the EmptyDisk, where it has a pretty clear and obvious meaning: either consciousness or self, as we see him transfer it to the disk.
Who said its Kris who does the Snowgrave route for thier freedom? I dont think Kris goes as far killing someone as berdly,instead the Snowgrave route happends after Kris took control and put the soul in the cage for a bit. It´s the player who´s relation to Berdly can be mixed,its the player who does anything. so I think the doing snowgrave can reasoned as the player trying to overpower the last bit of control Kris has,well attempts to by breaking thier determination even if needed. Hell it, would explain why Noel is forced to do it by us,not Kris,because we saw what happend when we did it with the puppet we controlled in Frisk/Chara.
Omg green spongeperson uploaded ... Alright, ahem, the video. I agree completely! In Jaru's latest video he doesn't seem to disregard this theory, so it's ok I guess. Great vid btw
I reckon the "Hyperlink Blocked is Hyperlink Blocked" theory isn't too far off, only in a slightly different context. It COULD effectively be worded as "Hyperlink Blocked is a Hyper Link, Blocked" which implies that Spamton, and whatever information is being censored, is meant to provide Kris with a "Hyper Link", or a connection greater than what they currently have. This makes sense when you consider Spamton's whole thing is "cutting the strings", but ultimately, it's mostly a metaphor for whatever is ACTUALLY being said, the game "Blocking the Hyper Link" from being visible or knowledgable to the player as a means of protecting them from information they are not yet ready to see. Idk, makes sense when you think about it.
I remember also seeing the take that the [[Hyperlink blocked]] is a censor for specifically the player, so we don't know, but kris does, as Spamton probably wouldn't want his friend's puppeteer to know a plan to literally kill him.
I think hyper link blocked is Love. It makes sense because that's what you need to get stronger. Determination just provides a means to express Love regardless of if it's Level.Of.Violence. or actual love. I think Spamton is a reference to Sans in Judgement Hall when he says that you don't have love but you gained love,in the pacifist route. Kris seems to have a crush on their monster friends based on how they act and their search history.
How's their search history show that? I mean I could see what you mean from the spamton line where he says you and her made hyperlink blocked, and also that really fucking funny
i think the way determination is connected to freedom is by this equation of some sort: determination=power=dominance and control=freedom i think this way because there is a huge plot about "dominance, manipulation and control" going on with both kris and chara. also another point i want to make is about the possibility that the red soul is an in-game character. if red soul is an in game character there is a slight possibility of death note shenanigans. like kris knows red souls hunger for power and LV and manipulates it to gain freedom in the way you mentioned like a kind of strategical war going on where kris outplays red soul who is oblivious to their plans. and depending on how the story goes we might have a chance to see kris actually outplaying the dumb soul and breaking free at the end. this is quite convincing when you think about how intellegent kris is.
Hol up, ain't no way you voice acting the brackets with a robot voice. Them ishs supposed to be sampes/clips from ads. Got me tripping over here. (Volume normalization is much better, keep up the good content, boss!)
This got me thinking differently about some things and realize certain things I didn't before. I really liked the way you explained how the Genocide route makes determination. (As someone who tried starting to start playing the route I know have a better idea for what's a head and if I even wanna do it lol) I loved the theories and you did such a great job explaining it all!
I think hyperlink blocked is a joke. hyperlink is when youre sent to a webpage so hes trying to give you a link to a blocked to a website probably because it was terminated becuase it was bad. hes trying to get you to a website that is blocked and bad Its just a joke
I always think of [Hyperlink Blocked] being [Choises] Because in deltarune they always remind u about how ( your choices don't matter ) which probably ties in with kris wanting choices of his own and not choices made by the player
It's still debated, but I like to think of it this way: The Player, from the perspective of the characters in the game, is some sort of otherworldly being that inserts itself into the story by possessing and overriding the will of the main character of that story. In Undertale, they possess Frisk and influence Chara. In Deltarune, they possess Kris. Unlike Frisk in Undertale, Kris is outright resisting and defying the player. Now, from our perspective, you can read the Player as two things. One is that they are some sort of deity-like character that we are playing as. They are a character in the universe that we are pretending to be whenever we play these games. The other option is that they are literally just us. The Player is the real human player who is playing the game. Which of those two is the answer is intentionally left vague in Undertale, so you can just pick the one you like the most. With Deltarune, we don't know what will happen since the game isn't done yet so we'll just have to wait and see
My favourite interpretation is that [hyperlink blocked] is both love and LOVE. It makes the most sense to me, and makes the creepy forced undertones of Snowgrave even worse with Kris and Noelle "making" it.
It's also a possibility that Kris saw an opportunity to achieve freedom in what _we_ (assuming that us, a.k.a. the player is canon in the game) were doing and collaborated, both in the pacifist route with the basement stuff and in the snowgrave/weird route with what mainly the player, but later on also Kris, is forcing Noelle to do. In cutscenes, both in regular and snowgrave, we can see that Kris is willing to act on what Spamton told him. We're just [pulling the silly strings] because we want to play every ending, but Kris is trying to use that as a way to finally become free again through [Hyperlink Blocked], before everything comes down crashing after the NEO fight in both runs
I disagree on your interpretation of Genocide. Chara is not controlling Frisk. It's all us doing this. Chara is also a victim in this. Especially with the similarities between Noelle and Chara. In Snowgrave, Noelle says "I'm getting stronger", and before seeing Berdly, she says "It's another enemy". She doesn't really look at them anymore. They're just enemies. And that really reminded me of Chara's line at the end of Genocide. We eradicated *the enemy* and *became stronger* They also say "With your guidance". We control Frisk, and we used that control to manipulate Chara, someone who are at a point in their life where they don't know what to do, and we manipulate them into thinking it's okay to kill everyone. The dialogue similarities between Noelle and Chara show that we're manipulating Chara the same way we're manipulating Noelle. But considering the Genocide ending and its consequences, I'm curious about what will happen if we continue to go on a weird route in future chapters.
my theory was that [hyperlink blocked] is when spamton says something as if it were an advertisement [like this one for example] and when he says a fake advertisement or a website with a virus the hyperlink is blocked like an Adblocker
I feel like in both routes, they are just making the best of the *players* actions, considering that they wouldn't need to get determination from others if they could do things on their own. I do like the idea someone else mentioned of [Hyperlink Blocked] being a choice/choices instead of determination, but that would ultimately be Spamton mispercieving what Kris was doing- considering that they still aren't really making those choices. But yeah, the DT theory works *if* you think that they are just trying to make the best of what they end up doing regardless of the circumstances (be it a Weird Route or a Normal Route [is that the name of it? idrk]), to just get determined enough to break free from the hold that the soul has over them- which might explain why they are able to remove the soul only once after the first chapter, and more than once after the second chapter- they gained more DT, or whatever. And because of that, they know that the player (the soul) wants to go into the dark worlds and 'fix' things- or 'kill' things- and as such makes a new dark fountain at the end of CH2 they might not be The Knight, but they realized that the soul wants something specific, and to keep it from trying to get that sort of 'fix things' or 'hurt things', well, fix, elsewhere- like in the Real World, with Real People. ESPECIALLY since the only people that would get caught in that new Dark World would be Susie (and Toriel, but either they think that Toriel wouldn't be able to get hurt [boss monster rules ig? ik they are stronger monsters, so maybe smth like that] or that she would only be of more help [in a normal/paci/neu route]). If that makes sense?? actually I like my personal theory idea here imma stick with this this is neat
Yeah, I agree that the player doesn't have *full* control, but I think that you have ENOUGH control over them that they can't do anything you don't want them to do- UNTIL you don't tell them what to do- like with the gameplay segments, or battle segments; the player tells Kris what to do THE WHOLE TIME, but during dialogue or those specific points mentioned in the PLOT HOLE segment, it's more like you told them (or their body, in some parts) specific actions, but didn't dictate anything else for the rest of them to do, so they have control over that part of them. Like when you tell them to say or do something along the lines of x, but not HOW to say or do it, which leaves that part up to them. And during the times when they say something you had no choice in, that was that- there wasn't a conversation, so you (as the player) didn't care about their voice- so they were able to talk all on their own, following the path that Spamton wanted them to do, because thats what *you* told them to do. When you dictated that they should go to Spamton's shop, they did, and followed what Spamton told them about the rule of going to his shop- coming A L O N E. etc etc smth smth smth I like this idea too ngl brain is on fire rn les gooo
Then how did they create the one in the Library that you play in chapter 2? The timeframe the Knight was there was short based off what Queen said. We were also controlling Kris in the Light World at the time. The timeframe for how it happened is way too small. Since we know based off of Kris slashing the tires that they can't be without the soul for very long periods. It would also make no sense since King would recognize Kris as the Knight.
Because 1. Kris was scared of the first fountain, and backed away from it now wanting to go in 2. The fountain in chapter 2 was impossible for him to have made since it was made after berdly and noelle sat down with their things, so they would have seen kris walk in to do it, it's implied the knight was in the closet behind them and quickly left after making it as the shadows filled the room 3. Kris wouldn't have know how to make a fountain before chapter 2, nothing is there to imply he made either of the first two fountains or castle Town, and we only see him make one after queen explains the whole process with a giant visual
@@sonicfanboy3375what do you mean? If you mean the chapter 2 one that's just impossible, we see noelle right before she goes to the library and the fountain was opened after they sat down if you look at where they are in the room when we seal the fountain If you mean chapter 1's fountain also impossible The knight had put the chaos king in charge and had the other 3 kings locked up, one of the four would have recognized him especially with the line "my knight... I shall not fail you" Kris just cannot be the knight
kris may not have full control over their body but they give us(the red soul) the option to do all those things you talked about so that we can maybe free them from our control accidentally
Jaru made a good point that hyperlink blocked is LOVE. Also random prediction, Kris's soul will be ripped out at the climax of the story and given to either Rosie or Noelle and he friggin dies! Lol.
Sorry for the bad voice acting lol...
Hush now you sound fine
you sounded awesome 👊😎 and you did amazing job with damn good theories in this , i loved the work you did in the video
🥨 pratzel
Your voice is literally completely fine.
Self-conscious mfs when they hear their own voice (it's the most horrid sound they've ever heard)
Honestly, same tho. I hate hearing my voice too.
my main problem with this idea is that the game goes out of its way to emphasize that kris is not the one controlling noelle in snowgrave. she says that the voice commanding her isn’t kris’s and in the final battle, it’s specified that “you” call for noelle’s help, where as when you call for susie and ralsei kris is stated to be calling for help. i’m willing to believe that it is determination, but i don’t think it is for that reason
yeah i agree
Yeah there’s some double-think going on in this video, acknowledging that Kris is under the control of the player but also not acknowledging that the player makes all the choices in Snowgrave
I agree, I was just about to comment this same thing. Also in her Chara point, Chara themselves said that your actions in the genocide route showed them what their goal is. Meaning the fact that we went out of our way to kill every monster showed Chara that we wanted the world to be gone. People demonize Chara too much imo
It can be interpreted that Noelle just does not want to believe that it is Kris and is in denial that it is actually Kris, i am not sure if that holds up with everything else, though.
@@elio7610 it doesn’t really hold up with the spamton flavor text of “kris called for help” vs “you called for help”
Imagine Kris can actually hear what Spamton is saying throughout all the censors. No wonder Kris was so tense after the Spamton NEO fight, imagine the stuff they must have heard.
LOCAL HOT SINGLES IN YOUR AREA
Or the fact that they just witnessed the downfall of a deeply disturbed individual who just tried to kill them?
@@savythenillerwafferNo, it felt personal. Kris acted upset, he didn't acted disturbed.
Not much. They didn't hear much.
@@savythenillerwafferthey wasn’t disturbed they were scared that if spamton couldn’t break free from his strings neither can they
Kris isn’t forcing Noelle to kill. You did. The game makes it very clear, whether you take responsibility or not, it was completely your fault
In terms of this theory that semantic doesn't really matter.
@@youtubeuniversity3638 if a theory doesnt take into account a fact that is clearly and blatantly put into a story that contradicts it, then its not a good theory.
@@youtubeuniversity3638 not a very theory if you have to ignore large parts of the game’s theme and plot for it to actually make sense, is it?
@@chaosbeam4654 But as the video says, Kris gives us the option to make a genocide route, we don't have full control of how Kris says the things, or how Kris order other characters to act, when we do N-Action in the pacifist/neutral route, Noelle says something like "Kris? What are you telling me to do? Act?" making it clear that even if Susie and Ralsei have S-Action and R-Action it's Kris who says it to them, however Kris could just not give us these options, they could've give us entirely different options, but instead they allow us to choose to do a genocide route
And that's different from Undertale, because Frisk can't act for themselves, we can't control the game they gives us, but in Frisk's case I don't think it's Frisk who give us options, but the game, Frisk can't say things in a specific way, they can't say something enthusiastically, softly or yelling, also I don't remember if Frisk can or cannot move by themselves in cutscenes
@@etruscanetwork no? Like, it’s very obvious Kris has no control over what you make them say or do. Again, look what happens when you say yes after the Spamton Neo fight.
The Weird Route was entirely your fault
4:20 Do note that Weird isn't just about killing, you can do that and not get Weird route. It's about being _controlling_ toward Noelle, usurping her autonomy.
10:40 One thing to note is that we specifically have a lot of chances to _stop_ the Weird route, those being every time we get a dialogue choice that includes "proceed". Kris is actively giving us as many opportunities to stop as they can, but we still ultimately control which route they take.
Exactly, this is jaru jaru levels of bullshitting in this video
But they also give you the choice to Proceed… so then that’s something they also want. If they don’t want that option then who is giving you that? Because you as the player have no control over which dialogue options are offered.
@@naniyotaka Kris can't control what the choices are.
Otherwsie there'd be no reason for there to be some choices like saying you're fine post spamton in the normal route.
Or for the final choice in chapter 2 where you can say Noelle or Ralsei with Sussie pointing out Kris disagreeing with either choice.
So its either someone else or its a limitiation of the survey program used to connect to Kris to begin with.
I feel like Hyperlink Blocked could be Choice, A Choice, or Choices (possibly interchangeable)
“You’ve been making [choices] haven’t you? And now that you have your own supply, you don’t need me!”
“And i have just. The thing. You need. That’s. [choices]. You want it! You want [choices/a choice], don’t you?!” (Either works here)
“Vacationing in the acid while you soak in the [Choices/Choice].” (Either works here)
Ohhh makes sense!
Makes sense! And mirrors perfectly the central theme of "your choices don't matter" and the easiest answer is usually the right one!
@@nautil_us"The answer that seems the easiest and is the most obvious, is often dumb, and stupid."
That would be cool and fit with the theme, but unfortunately it's not.
Quote: "BUT KRIS, IF YOU REFUSE. THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. I CAN'T FORCE YOU. I CAN ONLY [Kill] YOU [50-percent faster than similar products] OR [No Money Back!]"
@@wr6676
I’m confused, how does this disprove?
Disregard everything I previously said in this comment. I'm not deleting it in case someone wants to go back to the replies or something.
I think the dialogue options are actually what Kris would pick from. They are, however, definitelly unrelated to what Kris would choose.
@@thedigiboi I meant the kind of options that immediatelly come to mind, whether that's something you'd say/talk about or not.
@@itap8880 in dialogue windows there always only ONE option Kris is agreeing about and every other one is related to topic but not something what Kris would do
Thinking about it, in the snowgrave route, when you're on the hospital noelle scene, you can choose to move kris closer to noelle while noelle's speaking, and this is the first time we can move in a cutscene, couldnt this mean that you gain more control over kris on the weird route?
@@itap8880I think *SOME* options are what kris would pick
Like saying he isn't ok, telling sans it's nice to meet him, the "escape" option in spamtons shop shows that he doesn't wanna be there and stuff
I do think now it could be considered "LOVE", or at least something close to it. As for the whole existence of Snowgrave, I don't think Kris particularly likes it? It feels quite out of character (based on the snippets of them we get from the Spamton Sweepstakes). I would imagine that this is all Player's influence, with the motive being exactly what Spamton says it is. Keep in mind that we, as the Player, have also been confined/restricted (we were supposed to get a vessel, and several times our choices are invalidated to some degree), so we are just as interested in Freedom as Kris is.
Ok but... That would mean that spamton says Kris and noelle were making LOVE sauce. I hate that.
And that "Kris was making [[hyperlink blocked]]" would translate to "Kris was making LOVE"
@@Maniac_l23That actually makes sense though, Spamton is a spam email personified and says stuff like “enlarge yourself” and “meet hot singles” so it makes sense hed make a crass joke about Kris and Noelle, especially cause snowgrave seems to have this unhealthy relationship metaphor, with the ring and the “were something else”, etc
@@Maniac_l23 it's really dark and i hate it too, but it honestly makes the idea more accurate. there's a lot of cases in the snowgrave route of the player forcing kris to emotionally manipulate noelle into thinking she loves them
it also plays into the double meaning of the word LOVE. spamton says that kris has been making "love", and now that they have their own supply, they don't need spamton to give them LV anymore
I think it’s true, and I find it kind of funny that Spamton says ‘You’ve been making LOVE, haven’t you?’ Also, love as LV or romantic love makes sense. You kill everyone and buy a ring. LV is distancing yourself by killing. And rings are a symbol for marriage and love. Noelle wears white like a bride, and has many pure symbolisms, and spamton loves corrupting pure things.
I like to think "Hyperlink Blocked" is "love" just because it makes Snowgrave Spamton's dialogue _very_ funny.
Do you mean love or LOVE?
I think love
I love making love with noelle fr
@@timgorg1919 Why not both?
@@timgorg1919 probably the latter
My favorite example of Kris partially being in control is the yes/no question after the spamton fight. Kris clearly wants to say no in that instance. If you say yes it comes out as strained, you're fighting against him. But if you say no it comes out as a shout because your actions match Kris's wants. It really highlights the internal struggle between the two of you.
Kris's pronouns are they/them
@@echo_echoes Right my bad. You'd think I'd remember that given those are mine too lol
Yea
I think most diolog has 1 option where kris agrees
And I think the line in spamton's shop is "escape"
@@ArkThePieKing It's ok, sometimes our brains aren't braining
Personally, I think LOVE theory is the strongest of them. In the UNRELATED games, LOVE has two meaning and nicely fits into a double entendre like "Making LOVE"
i do think hyperlink block is either LOVE or determination…
both are messed up and i wouldn’t mind exploring and learning about both of these
also very very appreciate how well paced this video is ur a legend
in a way, when you died for 2 hours in farm arrays, you were farming determination as well.
kris uses they/them
@@charismaticRogue we love kris in this house
though i don’t think i misidentified them here?
This video is so cool. And yes I'm pretty sure the SOUL is just the player, and our reason for advancing is to just see what happens. Don't we all want Kris to be free as well? Most of us, at least. Even though we know it's a game, and we wanna play it, and that means controlling Kris, most players don't even know about all of this anyways and just like Spamton. And the people who do know all of this, want to do it anyways.
Players: Why did you commit the murders [insert player character]? [whilst committing violent murder on a family of 4 just to see what happens]
@@DefaultBoy-zb4te Ah, I see you're a PointCrow enjoyer as well.
I think [[hyperlink blocked]] at least in the "Hochi Mama" quote is LOVE, as in Level of Violence - because from a narrative and gameplay perspective, that's what you and Noelle have been "making" throughout the Snowgrave route. That said, I don't think [[hyperlink blocked]] has to refer to the same concept every time it comes up. As I see it, his hyperlinks get blocked whenever he tries to relate to concepts that concern the metaphysics of Deltarune, particularly the shared metaphysics of Deltarune and Undertale. It referring to Determination at least sometimes does sound plausible to me. And of course, Determination and LOVE are also linked.
Exactly. His words could also be blocked by the library computer whenever he tries to say anything the computer interprets as 'raunchy', like love.
Well, the plus side of it being "LOVE" is that it can be both love *AND* level of violence. Undertale has shown that the same word can have its meaning be context sensitive _post facto_ so it being a route dependent Schrödinger concept wouldn't be too far fetched
@@Idazmi7 "EN4RGE YOURSELF" -Spamton
Also the queen as no problem saying raunchy things and she is the physical manifestation of the computer so it is most likely not being blocked for that reason. If anything its probably Spamtons way of keeping us, the player, in the dark about his plan while still cluing Kris in.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox
The thing is, "enlarge" and "yourself" are not problematic words separately. Also, Queen, being Queen, is likely exempt from her own censorship.
@@Idazmi7 love is also a word that has many non-raunchy meanings. Why would a computer censor love (a word that has many innocent uses) but not enlarge yourself? Or Hoochi Mama for that matter, which is a phrase that ONLY has vulgar meanings. Also Queen being Queen I don't think would care enough to censor anyone else except maybe Berdly since she doesn't like him and he's the only person we see her using double standards for.
I don't see why [Hyperlink Blocked] Can't be multiple different things.
Plot twist its free robux
Because he uses hyperlink blocked as a bargaining chip
[hyperlink blocked] is actually a link where spamton just sits there.
I do think you had a narrative in mind when making this theory, which led you to ignore crucial information. Still, your theory implies that Kris is okay with manipulating Noelle and killing Berdly to get the determination to overcome the red soul. Still, from what we know of Kris, they wouldn't try to murder the classmate they played minecrap with. I also think you ignored a lot of things in Snowgrave that imply that Kris has even less control than usual. For example, you called for Noelle, and the voice Noelle said didn't sound like Kris's voice, so unless we are Kris and Kris did a voice, those two things imply Kris wasn't in control of Snowgrave.
The biggest flaw I see in the theory is the simple question of: how was Spamton going to give Kris determination? Like, I know Spamton's a scam artist but it seems like he really values Kris and their deal, at least until it "goes wrong" and the deal doesn't result in Spamton's freedom as he thought.
Is the Neo body filled with determination? Swatch says it was filled with "a lightners hopes" or something, so I guess it's possible, but Spamton still couldn't give that power to Kris to get rid of us. Unless Spamton's plan was always to steal Kris's soul to "free" them... But that would just put them in a new "hyperlink" situation with Spamton.
But yeah, I think that's the biggest flaw left to overcome. Spamton promising Kris something like freedom or control makes a lot of sense as an attainable goal given Spamton figures out how to cut his own strings with the Neo body... but giving Kris determination? It's a little harder to explain.
It definitely seems like Spamton expected to gain a lot more power from the Neo body than he ended up getting, so maybe he thought he would gain enough to not only free himself but also break Kris' connection with the player?
Though that explanation feels a bit off. Regardless of what Hyperlink Blocked means, it is really hard to figure out what Spamton thought he could do to help Kris
I think he assumed the Neo body would give him determination but it didn't, although it's powerful in it's own right. As a result, he needs Kris' soul instead, his determination, because the Neo body doesn't have any, or, not enough. I'm not sure Spamton _actually_ wanted to help Kris or just saw them as another person in a similar position and used that to make a tool out of them. Remember he doesn't seem to like Jevil even though he's another person in a similar position, but because his perception of it is different he probably had no interest in helping Spamton which led to that resentment. I actually think it's more likely that Spamton actually begins to care about Kris' fate through the process of the pacifist Neo fight, and when his strings are cut he makes that full swing to wanting the best for Kris, hence him offering himself up as the Dealmaker to give them his strength.
If a theory causes a plothole, it's probably not a sound theory
I think Spamton might have something to do with Asriel. Because in the light world he uses references people say when talking about Asriel. The cat guy assumes he is "off at college becoming a *big shot",* pizza pants talks about how he and Asriel would ride around in thei cungadaro looking to pick up chicks. I'm note sure if there are more references like this, but there might be another one. Its weird to think that Spamton might have a connection to Asriel of all people.
Woah I was not familiar with any of this!! That's so interesting :0
@@redrooster3420 thanks 😊
I hope it feeds your thoughts.
@@lorrainebrunner2490 Oh I've never heard the words "feed your thoughts" before either and that's such a beautiful phrase! Thanks for all the cool things you've brought to my mind hehe :)
_"When you have enough EXP, your LOVE increases. LOVE, too, is an acronym. It stands for "Level of Violence." A way of measuring someone's capacity to hurt. The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, the less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others"._ - Sans.
It's LOVE. As in Level Of ViolencE. The Snowgrave route is _all about_ getting LV.
*"YOU'VE BEEN [[Making]] HAVENT YOU? YOU'VE BEEN MAKING [[Hyperlink Blocked]]!"*
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0:58
But spamton says [HeartShapedObject] and [SOUL]
although, he says soul when he becomes NEO
[Hyperlink Blocked] is obviously Big Shot Soda (If you don't know what that is look it up). Think about it. Take all the lines where Spamton says [Hyperlink Blocked] and replace it with Big Shot Soda.
*You want Big Shot Soda don't you?
*You've been making Big Shot Soda haven't you?
*And sometimes in the morning, a little Big Shot Soda.
It fits.
Maybe Spamton is trying to link the Big Shot Soda's website, but Toby Fox is censoring it for copyright reasons.
To me it seems [Hyperlink Blocked] means multiple things, but I think your theories are really well make! =D
One thing to note is that many save points say something along the lines of "you were filled with power," but in a different structure. Something more like "The power of [RELEVANT THING] shines within you." This has been a thing since chapter 1. Being filled with power isn't necessarily something special to snowgrave route, but in snowgrave, you and Noelle are filled with power directly (probably from all the killing), instead of using the power of your friends.
10:37 OK BUT I DIDN'T MAKE KRIS SAY "YES". Idk why you people are obsessed with making them lie, kid just had to fight a kindred spirit by cutting his strings. And you also make them lie??? I honestly made Kris say "No" to Susie's question because I don't think they were ok at the moment. I find it amazing that Kris cries it out, they scream it out, like a catharsis of feelings being allowed to pour out of them. I don't get why everyone is so cruel with Kris... Make em strain out a lie??? When their best friend is there for them, asking them about how they feel.
[VERY NICE THEORY]
I'm actually convinced
Damn I didn’t know u liked deltarune
@@evantubeme 2 tbh
At the end of a weird route Noelle says there’s something wrong with Kris that no one else seems to notice and she wants to find out why. She’s determined to uncover Kris’s secret, and I think this will be much more important than her power in the dark world
My favorite theory is that there is only one ending to deltarune: Kris gets their freedom. But the way they do so, and who helps them, depends on the route
spamton just leaves a lot of hyperlinks in his dialogs, too bad you can't click on them
We (red soul) don't have full control because Kris has enough determination to resist and don't allow full control of him we has only control over his body not mind. That's creepy
The contrast between the voice and pfp is insane and I love it
Fun fact: Chara doesn't actually make us do anything in the Genocide route. Who decided to start killing monsters in the first place? Who pressed forwards, even though the game was actively encouraging them to stop with difficult boss after difficult boss?
If anything, we are influencing Chara.
In all fairness there's litteraly only 2 bosses
So not difficult boss after difficult boss, just difficult boss and sans
Think about it, choices makes sense as hyperlink blocked.
Reminder that Kris and Frisk were not responsible for the snowgrave/genocide routes respectively! It was you. It was your doing. You played that game and made sure to wipe out any enemy you saw just to see what would happen. Don't shift blame to the person you controlled to execute these actions. anywaayyy other than that nice video
10:03 there are also many instance that can go against the idea that Kris is the one coming up whit the dialog and action options, why would he come up whit options of things he clearly shows he dosn't want to say or do?
My main problem whit this theory is that the game goes out of it way to empatize how WE are making every part of snowgrave happen, not Kris. Noelle constantly remarks that the voice they hear is not Kris voice, on the snowgrave spamton neo fight when we need to call for help Kris refuses to call for Noel, changing the text from "Kris called for" to "you called for Noelle", so i don't think Kris is willingly doing any of it yo gain [Hyperlink block]. What's more Kris opening a dark fountain to try again to gain power wouldn't make much sense when Kris is shown trying to get help to deal whit the dark fountains in both chapters(if you go to the Police ofice and talk to Undyne he tries to alerta the Police and get them involve, giving more detail each chapter). In my interpretation Kris made sure that the Police was coming to their house, left the door open for them to get in and made sure Susie was whit him before he opened the fountain, probably to make it easier for them to close it later.
Unrelated, but i want to clarify that in Undertale, while Chara obtains more power and control over Frisk body the more they level up, they are not the one that initially influencie their actions to kill, Chara spirit is atached to Frisk on every route, they gaining control is a consequences of a genocide, but it is not the couse of said genocide, the one that starts and goes trough whit the genocide is very firmly stablish to be us, the one playing
personally i think hyperlink blocked isnt necessarily one thing, but just the system of the cyber world, removing information it deems dangerous
There is another link you can make that [Hyperlink Blocked] is determination: the nature of a hyperlink is that it takes you to a different site, which we could deduce might be the universe of undertale.
Another curious thing is that spamton also censors the word "Lightner", the signs next to it when he says it are editing signs that imply the full word has been cut. We have a clue as to what the full word is, as King says it in refference to Kris in chapter 1: "Lightbringer". Seeing as King can say Lightbringer and queen can say "determined" it seems main story bosses have less restrictions but also less knowledge than the "unprecedented variables" that the super bosses are to the main route of the game. Something is clearly trying to railroad us slowly into a specific story and the secret bosses pose a threat to that, ralsei being there to ensure we stay on proper track.
I see what you mean on all three theories. I like the idea that it literally mean hyperlink blocked, but ive seen a good theory the word thats being blocked is "choices". As you see throughout deltarune 'if you haven't gotten it by now, your choices dont matter.' its brought up a bit during chapter one.
I feel so bad for kris, my idea is that whatever is narrating at the start (character customization) gave us control over kris' body and he is forced to think and behave as we say and he keeps trying to stop us by ripping the soul from his body, but we keep returning into control of him
** they/them.
Kris doesnt think what we want him to, he clearly goes against our action like saying what we want with a different tone to imply it negatively
I imagine if we follow this theory that it may be that the soul wants this connection severed since it was forced into Kris when they had made a vessel and had it discarded unfairly. They want to try and remake the connection, but have it where they are doing it with the vessel they made.
They can sever the connection at any time by dying
We do, in fact, know why determination allows player-character separation. Sans says, in the judgment hall, that LOVE is the ability to, quote: "Distance yourself."
I think Hyperlink Blocked is "blocked" because the computer the Cyber World was made from was a school computer and on school computers (at least where I go to school) block certain websites
Makes sense but does not fit in the narrarive. It is clearly meant to represent a important thing in the story for Chris
something about the saves and hyperlink blocked is that since the word determination never actually appears in the saves you could say that it's blocked from the game which would make spamton incapable of saying it directly
10:31 I turned 23 today, but you calling that Floppy Disk a Flash Drive instantly aged me another 23 years, and made me feel ancient.
Don't worry, it's just kids being stupid
My 12 yo cousin knows what a floppy disk is
It's love. LV. It makes sense for it to be censored in the dark world revolving around the internet, they don't want darkners going around murdering others to "get stronger". And the cherry on top is the line that refers to Kris and Noelle making [hyperlink blocked] on the weird route. They've been killing, making LV. It's love.
I love the segment where noelle and Kris make love fr
And the player watches from the chair
I came up with that exact theory.
Besides, Spamton saying "You want some [hyperlink blocked], don't you?" immediately reminded me of Flowey's "You want some LOVE,don't you?", so there's that as well.
@@AhnafMardia Hell, I made this comment over a year ago and never caught that! Nice find!
@@Jofus002 thx man, appreciate it
I like the JJJ theory that it's LOVE. I generally tend to believe that it's anything that a certain force doesn't want Spamton to say, so it could be different things in different instances, but it does fit really well. Stuff like "You want some [HYPERLINK BLOCKED], don't you?" Would suddenly allude to Flowey's "You want some LOVE, don't you?", and then there's the innuendo of "You've been making LOVE". There's also the classic Toby Fox double meaning, stuff like determination being determine-ation and de-termination, but it refused also meaning but it re-fused, maybe Kris wants love, to feel like they're not alone anymore and someone cares who they are and what they want. In the Snowgrave route, the player wants LOVE, the ability to become stronger and test the limits of this world. Spamton seems to want both.
theory 2 is honestly really interesting i never thought of that, but what's hyperlink blocked in the japanese translation? im pretty sure toby has a big part in the localization so if the theory can't apply there its probably safe to say its disproven
I’m subscribed to it being love, but the ideas you showed are cool.
(hyperlink blocked) may be independence
I always thought that "Hyperlink Blocked" was entirely just that, an hyperlinked that was censored for security reasons.
Why?
_Mainly because Spamton uses a metric-ton of unrestricted hyperlinks in his Sweepstakes_
I think [Hyperlink Blocked] is just exactly what it says, a hyperlink to a website that gets blocked. Maybe because of a server outage, or maybe for some reason the armor Kris wears has a built-in antivirus that blocks the site? I just think that it's a link to a sketchy website that gets blocked.
It's always weird to me how Chara was able to "possess" (?) Frisk from the beginning, to the point that the menus say Chara's name and not ours name
It's also interesting that Kris is so opposed to us controlling them, but Frisk was completely fine with it
The difference is that Frisk is a toddler, and Kris is an angsty teen lmaooo
But to be more serious, I think Frisk being younger could be a part of it. They've had less time to form a personal identity, so it is easier to override them when compared to Kris. Also Kris is abnormally determined so that may be part of it
I think frisk has less control because not only are they younger, and have some influence via chara narrating the world to them and us, but they also have our input based on the descriptions they hear from chara
It's also important to note that empathy is a learned trait
kris making a whole dark fountain, having enough energy to make a whole new world without a soul is just crazy
Unrelated, but peak TH-cam profile picture by the way
In spamton neo snowgrave fight u can't miss the hit you will hit spamton even if u didn't press z
I think the soul/player is the same from Undertale because dialogues options
And all happens after the genocide route
what if its bc kris is still just a kid and he doesnt know about scam links, thinking its free robux
I'm pretty much convinced at this point that it's a lot more simple than people think. The issue with the "Freedom" theory isn't really a real one, as the hyperlink is likely not blocked because of what text is displayed. If it said "Freedom" that wouldn't be the reason it'd be blocked, so it appearing in other dialogue isn't an issue.
Instead, the reason it's blocked is because it's a *hyperlink,* which, no offense, I don't quite think you gave a good definition of. A hyperlink isn't just a link you can click on, it's usually a piece of regular text with a link attached, making it function like a link but displaying as any piece of text the user would want. These actually appear all across the Sweepstakes in item descriptions completely unblocked, and it's honestly what's convinced me that Hyperlink Blocked is something else each time it appears.
The one line that always stumps any one concept interpretation of it for me is the line "THEN WE WILL TRANSFER. MY [[Hyperlink Blocked]]." when he's talking about the EmptyDisk, where it has a pretty clear and obvious meaning: either consciousness or self, as we see him transfer it to the disk.
Who said its Kris who does the Snowgrave route for thier freedom? I dont think Kris goes as far killing someone as berdly,instead the Snowgrave route happends after Kris took control and put the soul in the cage for a bit. It´s the player who´s relation to Berdly can be mixed,its the player who does anything. so I think the doing snowgrave can reasoned as the player trying to overpower the last bit of control Kris has,well attempts to by breaking thier determination even if needed. Hell it, would explain why Noel is forced to do it by us,not Kris,because we saw what happend when we did it with the puppet we controlled in Frisk/Chara.
Omg green spongeperson uploaded
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Alright, ahem, the video. I agree completely! In Jaru's latest video he doesn't seem to disregard this theory, so it's ok I guess. Great vid btw
no, hyper link blocked is actually crack
as a joke, ofc
I assumed that hyperlink blocked was a curse word or aomething.
0:10 IT CANT BE because spamton actually says the word [FREEDOM]
Watch the video
I always thought hyperlinked blocked was LOVE, would explain some snowgrave dialogue
[[Hyperlink Blocked]] is actually referring to LOVE
I reckon the "Hyperlink Blocked is Hyperlink Blocked" theory isn't too far off, only in a slightly different context. It COULD effectively be worded as "Hyperlink Blocked is a Hyper Link, Blocked" which implies that Spamton, and whatever information is being censored, is meant to provide Kris with a "Hyper Link", or a connection greater than what they currently have. This makes sense when you consider Spamton's whole thing is "cutting the strings", but ultimately, it's mostly a metaphor for whatever is ACTUALLY being said, the game "Blocking the Hyper Link" from being visible or knowledgable to the player as a means of protecting them from information they are not yet ready to see. Idk, makes sense when you think about it.
The fact that it only says “Noelle became stronger” if you KILL with Iceshock makes me believe that Hyperlink Blocked is LOVE.
I remember also seeing the take that the [[Hyperlink blocked]] is a censor for specifically the player, so we don't know, but kris does, as Spamton probably wouldn't want his friend's puppeteer to know a plan to literally kill him.
pretty sure the voice in snowgrave is said to be ours and not kris’ i might be misremembering though
Remember gang! Undertale was the proof of concept and Deltarune was the actual project!
Nah it stands for love
I think hyper link blocked is Love. It makes sense because that's what you need to get stronger. Determination just provides a means to express Love regardless of if it's Level.Of.Violence. or actual love. I think Spamton is a reference to Sans in Judgement Hall when he says that you don't have love but you gained love,in the pacifist route. Kris seems to have a crush on their monster friends based on how they act and their search history.
How's their search history show that?
I mean I could see what you mean from the spamton line where he says you and her made hyperlink blocked, and also that really fucking funny
Excellent video! You deserves a [Hyperlink Blocked] ! Congratulations
i think the way determination is connected to freedom is by this equation of some sort: determination=power=dominance and control=freedom
i think this way because there is a huge plot about "dominance, manipulation and control" going on with both kris and chara.
also another point i want to make is about the possibility that the red soul is an in-game character. if red soul is an in game character there is a slight possibility of death note shenanigans. like kris knows red souls hunger for power and LV and manipulates it to gain freedom in the way you mentioned like a kind of strategical war going on where kris outplays red soul who is oblivious to their plans. and depending on how the story goes we might have a chance to see kris actually outplaying the dumb soul and breaking free at the end. this is quite convincing when you think about how intellegent kris is.
Hol up, ain't no way you voice acting the brackets with a robot voice. Them ishs supposed to be sampes/clips from ads. Got me tripping over here.
(Volume normalization is much better, keep up the good content, boss!)
Cool thing: what if the end of the weird route is just Kris breaking control and talking to you like Chara and killing you or something cool like that
Its love and L.O.V.E. (Level of violence)
i think hyperlink blocked could also be Power.
EDIT: you said so! Awesome video.
This got me thinking differently about some things and realize certain things I didn't before. I really liked the way you explained how the Genocide route makes determination. (As someone who tried starting to start playing the route I know have a better idea for what's a head and if I even wanna do it lol) I loved the theories and you did such a great job explaining it all!
I think hyperlink blocked is a joke. hyperlink is when youre sent to a webpage so hes trying to give you a link to a blocked to a website probably because it was terminated
becuase it was bad. hes trying to get you to a website that is blocked and bad Its just a joke
I always think of [Hyperlink Blocked] being [Choises] Because in deltarune they always remind u about how ( your choices don't matter ) which probably ties in with kris wanting choices of his own and not choices made by the player
In the undertale book or someting its says "the player is canon"
so the player is an ingame character or what?
It's still debated, but I like to think of it this way:
The Player, from the perspective of the characters in the game, is some sort of otherworldly being that inserts itself into the story by possessing and overriding the will of the main character of that story. In Undertale, they possess Frisk and influence Chara. In Deltarune, they possess Kris. Unlike Frisk in Undertale, Kris is outright resisting and defying the player.
Now, from our perspective, you can read the Player as two things. One is that they are some sort of deity-like character that we are playing as. They are a character in the universe that we are pretending to be whenever we play these games. The other option is that they are literally just us. The Player is the real human player who is playing the game. Which of those two is the answer is intentionally left vague in Undertale, so you can just pick the one you like the most. With Deltarune, we don't know what will happen since the game isn't done yet so we'll just have to wait and see
i'm personally a firm "Hyperlink Blocked = Choices" believer
My favourite interpretation is that [hyperlink blocked] is both love and LOVE. It makes the most sense to me, and makes the creepy forced undertones of Snowgrave even worse with Kris and Noelle "making" it.
"the only good thing about genocide is lisentning to these bangers" *doesn't even play battle against a true hero
It's also a possibility that Kris saw an opportunity to achieve freedom in what _we_ (assuming that us, a.k.a. the player is canon in the game) were doing and collaborated, both in the pacifist route with the basement stuff and in the snowgrave/weird route with what mainly the player, but later on also Kris, is forcing Noelle to do. In cutscenes, both in regular and snowgrave, we can see that Kris is willing to act on what Spamton told him. We're just [pulling the silly strings] because we want to play every ending, but Kris is trying to use that as a way to finally become free again through [Hyperlink Blocked], before everything comes down crashing after the NEO fight in both runs
Kris has enough determination to create a dark foundation, weird route or not, just a thought I had
the pfp makes this video so much better
Plot twist: Kris never opened a fountain he just found a pipeline under his house.
I disagree on your interpretation of Genocide. Chara is not controlling Frisk. It's all us doing this. Chara is also a victim in this. Especially with the similarities between Noelle and Chara.
In Snowgrave, Noelle says "I'm getting stronger", and before seeing Berdly, she says "It's another enemy". She doesn't really look at them anymore. They're just enemies.
And that really reminded me of Chara's line at the end of Genocide. We eradicated *the enemy* and *became stronger* They also say "With your guidance".
We control Frisk, and we used that control to manipulate Chara, someone who are at a point in their life where they don't know what to do, and we manipulate them into thinking it's okay to kill everyone.
The dialogue similarities between Noelle and Chara show that we're manipulating Chara the same way we're manipulating Noelle.
But considering the Genocide ending and its consequences, I'm curious about what will happen if we continue to go on a weird route in future chapters.
Exactly
my theory was that [hyperlink blocked] is when spamton says something as if it were an advertisement [like this one for example] and when he says a fake advertisement or a website with a virus the hyperlink is blocked like an Adblocker
it seems like power, freedom, and others similar seem to be synonymous in UT/DR which kinda makes sense
I feel like in both routes, they are just making the best of the *players* actions, considering that they wouldn't need to get determination from others if they could do things on their own.
I do like the idea someone else mentioned of [Hyperlink Blocked] being a choice/choices instead of determination, but that would ultimately be Spamton mispercieving what Kris was doing- considering that they still aren't really making those choices. But yeah, the DT theory works *if* you think that they are just trying to make the best of what they end up doing regardless of the circumstances (be it a Weird Route or a Normal Route [is that the name of it? idrk]), to just get determined enough to break free from the hold that the soul has over them- which might explain why they are able to remove the soul only once after the first chapter, and more than once after the second chapter- they gained more DT, or whatever. And because of that, they know that the player (the soul) wants to go into the dark worlds and 'fix' things- or 'kill' things- and as such makes a new dark fountain at the end of CH2
they might not be The Knight, but they realized that the soul wants something specific, and to keep it from trying to get that sort of 'fix things' or 'hurt things', well, fix, elsewhere- like in the Real World, with Real People. ESPECIALLY since the only people that would get caught in that new Dark World would be Susie (and Toriel, but either they think that Toriel wouldn't be able to get hurt [boss monster rules ig? ik they are stronger monsters, so maybe smth like that] or that she would only be of more help [in a normal/paci/neu route]). If that makes sense??
actually I like my personal theory idea here imma stick with this this is neat
Yeah, I agree that the player doesn't have *full* control, but I think that you have ENOUGH control over them that they can't do anything you don't want them to do- UNTIL you don't tell them what to do- like with the gameplay segments, or battle segments; the player tells Kris what to do THE WHOLE TIME, but during dialogue or those specific points mentioned in the PLOT HOLE segment, it's more like you told them (or their body, in some parts) specific actions, but didn't dictate anything else for the rest of them to do, so they have control over that part of them. Like when you tell them to say or do something along the lines of x, but not HOW to say or do it, which leaves that part up to them. And during the times when they say something you had no choice in, that was that- there wasn't a conversation, so you (as the player) didn't care about their voice- so they were able to talk all on their own, following the path that Spamton wanted them to do, because thats what *you* told them to do. When you dictated that they should go to Spamton's shop, they did, and followed what Spamton told them about the rule of going to his shop- coming A L O N E.
etc etc smth smth smth I like this idea too ngl brain is on fire rn les gooo
Why do people say no to Kris being the knight anyways? You see them making a fountain in Ch 2's ending. Dude.
Then how did they create the one in the Library that you play in chapter 2? The timeframe the Knight was there was short based off what Queen said. We were also controlling Kris in the Light World at the time. The timeframe for how it happened is way too small. Since we know based off of Kris slashing the tires that they can't be without the soul for very long periods. It would also make no sense since King would recognize Kris as the Knight.
@@josephconover5270Maybe Kris created a fountain without entering the dark world
Because 1. Kris was scared of the first fountain, and backed away from it now wanting to go in
2. The fountain in chapter 2 was impossible for him to have made since it was made after berdly and noelle sat down with their things, so they would have seen kris walk in to do it, it's implied the knight was in the closet behind them and quickly left after making it as the shadows filled the room
3. Kris wouldn't have know how to make a fountain before chapter 2, nothing is there to imply he made either of the first two fountains or castle Town, and we only see him make one after queen explains the whole process with a giant visual
@@sonicfanboy3375what do you mean? If you mean the chapter 2 one that's just impossible, we see noelle right before she goes to the library and the fountain was opened after they sat down if you look at where they are in the room when we seal the fountain
If you mean chapter 1's fountain also impossible
The knight had put the chaos king in charge and had the other 3 kings locked up, one of the four would have recognized him especially with the line "my knight... I shall not fail you"
Kris just cannot be the knight
The determination one.... makes sense kris wants MORE determination MORE freedom MORE power to stop the connection
kris may not have full control over their body but they give us(the red soul) the option to do all those things you talked about so that we can maybe free them from our control accidentally
Always a pleasure to see a new Deltarune theory :)
Jaru made a good point that hyperlink blocked is LOVE.
Also random prediction, Kris's soul will be ripped out at the climax of the story and given to either Rosie or Noelle and he friggin dies! Lol.
The soul has partial control. It's a form of possession, something that can be resisted, at least to a point.
i like the intro