I want to add that there is a huge point you missed that sucker punches the ketchup theory. There is a bit of blood or "blood" that came out of Sans mouth. If Sans somehow got somekind of ketchup affect under his jacket, or shirt; where does the blood come from on our right of the corner of his mouth?
i saw one where it said that, since he never went to grillby's with frisk, it was just still in his jacket, it was slashed and the bottle exploded (not with fire, more like ketchup)
@@edgardeivis that makes no sense. if the bottle was hidden in his jacket and it exploded it should be all over his torso and not come up his mouth. how does that work 😭🙏
@@NoName-qk2jf the bottle cap wasnt screwed all the way, since it falls in grillby's sans is a skeleton so it couldve exploded up into his head, it is all over his body too
Guys guys here me out Sans is Mario -Sans is short like Mario Sans has blue eyes like Mario -They both have a tall pretty handsome looking brother -Sans and Mario’s names have A as the second letter Slam dunk theory, I know
some weird or extra points for certain theories because i felt like it: blood/bone marrow theory: - monsters are MOSTLY made of magic, not fully. so why can't they have biological blood on rare occasions? (could even be the same in deltarune, only some have it?) - it could also be that skeleton monsters simulate what a human skeleton would be, given the sheer resemblance (except for the skulls) so bone marrow and therefore blood would be simulated even if not needed. - hell, it could just also be magical just like the rest of him, fake blood, if you will. - as for why papyrus "doesn't bleed", it could just be hidden under his armour / not lit enough to see clearly under the armour. (battle body) determination theory: - given determination's connection to the color yellow, maybe his yellow eye is from that, with cyan for blue magic or something (idk, but i just thought it was neat). - sans doesn't act very determined indeed, maybe the whole reason he even tries fighting you at all is because of some extra DT he injected? ("forced" determination if you will) - DT might be red but the powers and magic behind it are yellow, thus the save point and such. (maybe even your HP is determination because its yellow, and it doesn't drop to zero when you "refuse"). - flowey probably has his determination in his roots, given that the roots absorb nutriens and water. (and thus maybe he was injected there?) - i believe we never made undyne bleed because she didn't have any outer/visible wounds throughout the entire fight, she just melts and seemed fine for the rest of it. (armour shade again for neutral kills and before her undying fight) even though people like toriel and papyrus get a bit of dialouge after they get killed, sans also just kinda walks it off for a bit before dying. like hes refusing to die just a little longer. ketchup theory: - it may have never been monster food at all, maybe just surface ketchup that got into the dump, or grillbs has a huge stash of it from god knows where. - he probably has set this up for a long time, just waiting for opportunity to use this as a prank and/or a guilt trip like mentioned here. - funny for the funny bone man. also- "SANS! WHY IS YOUR JACKET FULL OF KETCHUP STAINS?!" "its the new fashion trend, maybe you should ketch-up with the times."
dang these are all really good counter points ngl- i was leaning ketchup theory personally as it mostly fits with canon sans (imo) but your explanation of the DT theory's plot holes feels kinda right too
Personally, I think the green grass is the spot from the Kickstarter video, with Sans (in a lawn chair) and Papyrus. It seems like the kind of thing for Toby to do, just to throw people for a loop
Theres another problem with ketchup, which it comes out of his mouth. And it takes longer than the chest "blood". And his mouth never moves so its weird to say he *bites* down on it, but then again, he has to eat for energy. - But its kind of funny how the "blood" is such a mystery, Sans has so many ties to places that it could literally be so many things, but each thing has alot of flaws.
7:00 you also have to consider that this monster child probably learned about blood from their aformentioned mother, who (as an adult) would know what humans and monsters are made of. However, one thing that I noticed is that the child says "made of" blood. Humans do have a lot of blood in them, but it's only about 10%. Maybe monsters have some blood too, but they don't need as much to stay alive. So, the child would be saying "you have a lot more blood than we do, does it hurt?". As for lancer, I dunno. I think it really is just a throwaway joke, and Toby messed up.
You completely changed the sentence lol. The kid is a kid, they say "made of" for the same reason they ask if blood hurts. In Chapter 2 they also say that humans are made of bones. So, the kid is really asking "Does it hurt to have blood?"
The kid saying “made of” blood, could just be him being a kid. I don’t must kids would know how much blood u are or aren’t made of. It could also just be more a slang or colloquial term; not completely factual, if that makes sense.
@@Dragon_Aoithey did say that it would be very confusing from writting perspective, since it references nothing, and making this false, with like him just not knowing, is dumb.
Sans could've met Alphys pretty easily. He seems to hangout throughout the entire underground in the game- though if you want to ignore that since he might just be following Frisk- he is confirmed to be a semi-regular comedian at MTT Resort, so not only would he go to Hotland often, but he also have potential ties to Mettaton and through him Alphys. I think that Sans probably does do science with Alphys, I just wanted to give a potential reason beside it
There are also hints that Sans knows about (some of) Alphys’ secrets and helps out, like with the dog food. Alphys is shown to know Sans at the end of the Pacifist route, but he basically cuts her off. Alphys calls Sans a good guy in the Queen Alphys ending, where Sans and her are together, and he helps give her Frisk’s number, so she can call them. Etc.
Something you may want to take into account as to why people believe sans doesn’t die at the end of his fight isn’t just the end of battle sound that plays at the end that doesn’t only represent a monster’s death but rather the end of a fight. But what people should take into account is the number of kills you have before and after fighting sans that can appear in the entire menu thing you go to equip items and where your stats are located. After the end of the fight the number of monsters you have killed will remain the same. Also you could make the argument that LV increases the more you distance yourself from your soul rather than killing a monster, killing just makes it easier to distance yourself which is why our LOVE doesn’t increase each time we kill a monster but rather at certain times like how undyne gives us a load of LV or mettaton neo despite being a one hit. It’s more connected emotion wise rather than video game you leveled up mechanic. Sans said it best himself, EXP is execution points and LOV is Level of violence. Sorry for the rant just thought it could interest you, cool video btw
@@kyledunn3747 yeah not many people think about that, plus we don’t see him die on screen and movie/anime rule number one is that if you don’t see them die in front of you then you better know he’s still alive!
i remember seeing somewhere that the reason it dosen't count as a kill is because chara was the one who landed the hit on sans, thus killing him. remember that we didn't activate the attack at the end, which is probably why it didn't count as our kill. pretty sure i also saw that somewhere in the files of undertale you can see all of the kills, and there is a folder seperate from our that has a kill or two, which could be chara. not sure if that last part is rigjt or not since i never checked the files, tho i remember seeing something like that
the kill counter thing is either because it was chara's kill or because it was sans counting the kills in the first place and anyways, even if he survived, what would be the point in that? to just say "sans is a gigachad that cant be killed"? it doesnt even matter, the world gets ERASED, theres no way in hell hes surviving THAT
Guys? The "blueprints" in the secret room in Sans' and Papyrus' house looks exactly like Susie's and Lancer's table where Kris and Ralsei make the Trash Machine.
If that were the case, then I think that would mean that the "illegible" writing on it would be the "Create a machine to thrash your own ass" written in cursive.
I feel like the logic at 0:43 doesn't quite make a whole lot of sense. The line specifically states that monsters are made of mostly magic, not entirely of magic (Alphys heavily implies that monsters have at least a little physicality in the true lab). Humans are made of mostly water, and they still have blood The actual makeup of monsters probably varies a lot between each monster, like how Snowdrake literally says that they're made of ice post true pacifist, or how ghosts are clearly made of something special cuz they can just go through stuff. Maybe some of 'em just have blood, and that's that
My counter to the “sans ketchup is just fucking with you to make you lose determination” is that he has no reaction to you reloading after killing him beyond “wow youre fucked up”
Just as a small counterargument against the "determination melts monsters" argument, I remember seeing someone on Twitter make the argument that we've never seen or heard of a monster injected with determination that wasn't already mortally wounded or close to death. Undyne had just been killed, then persisted after her death, so her body was obviously vulnerable. The monsters Alphys was experimenting on had already fallen down. And on top of that, Alphys says in entry 14 that the monsters she experimented seemed completely fine initially, meaning it would take a while before the melting would set in. Sans might've been injected very close to when the fight takes place, meaning he wouldn't have had the time or the preexisting life-threatening injuries to cause him to melt. Had he already been wounded, or had the determination in his system for longer, he might've melted. Obviously, I'm not bashing anyone who doesn't believe in the theory as it is kind of farfetched, but it isn't completely implausible.
The ketchup theory has backups. Maybe he had a ketchup bottle in his shirt so he could possibly survive the blow. It makes sense since he tries to stop us no matter what, so if he survived he could trick us and caught us off guard.
My money's on the ketchup theory hands down, cause there could be some more explenations to why it works (mostly cap) - He put the ketchup in his pockets this is most simple, but also adds the question; why doesn't it spill all over his jacket and come from underneath it? Well there's another possible expelanation for that - He put the ketchup inside his jacket, maybe in between his rib cage or smth. Sounds weird but trust me, it was just to guilt trip us anyways - And lastly, it's human ketchup from the dump hey, if he was planning on tricking us why not use food that doesn't immediately turn into energy? It could be argued that if it was in the dump it would be.. rotten. But still, ketchup is ketchup
@@tobiasbayer4866 The only problem with deltarune theory is that papyrus doesn’t bleed, which means either they’re not biological brothers, only sans is from deltarune, or its not correct
way off topic but is the canonical reason why random food can save you from the brink of death because of the “monster food converting into energy instantly” thing
I’m pretty partial to the monsters in Deltarune bleed theory, I mean he does mention blood ALOT. compared to say, Undertale in Deltarune. I think it would be more convincing if mentions of blood actually were colored red in game and then he could have kept the kids line white to show it’s unimportant.
The problem is that Papyrus doesn’t bleed, but the QnA implies he’s from Deltarune too. Then again, he doesn’t know what the sun is, so either he has amnesia, is lying, or just happened to not know what the sun is somehow
@@waluigiisthebest2802 Think we're getting to the point where occum's razor has to be applied. Reading into every line and trying to figure out what's a joke/lore is getting to fnaf levels
@@waluigiisthebest2802 Idk about the blood issue, but to be fair we have never seen Papyrus come outside of the house in Deltarune yet, so we cannot say for certain that he had seen the sun in that game yet. Perhaps he will never come out?
Bone marrow theory doesn't work because the marrow in the body of long bones isn't red marrow (hematopoietic tissue making blood cells), but actually yellow marrow (fat stores), and he gets slashed across the ribs meaning of his bones were cracked open and we saw marrow it would only be red towards the few places where the ends of bones were broken, and be colored closer to fat everywhere else
game theory : sans had one bottle of human ketchup he was saving just because its hard to find and for a special occasion, and since the world was literally ending, he though "might as well drink it now"
if its of any relief, justice and determination's yellow slightly differ enough to tell them apart... sort of But anyways, deltarune separates them via the flowers in asgores flower shop, where there is both a golden and yellow flower
20:58 Determination allows you to rewind time if you are the most determined being in the underground. Flowey also has determination, but you can also kill him. Sans may have determination, but our determination overrides his.
About papyrus green grass: maybe it is a reference to a kickstarter image where sans and papyrus are standing in a green grass. That would explain why paps were so nervous about it, like man, that must be a confusing memory. And also, in the pacifist route sans drinks the ketchup or it spill up all over the food at grilbys, but in genocide he never actually took you there, meaning that the bottle is still full inside his jacket
Yeah but why would Sans just interrupt Papyrus like that? Maybe it could be a joke but that joke doesn't really make sense since it just abruptly ends and there's no punchline to it and unusually Sans has punch lines for his jokes.
My theory is that Sans saved ketchup on his jacket, like he cant live without ketchup, even in a fight, he just cant leave the ketchup, and he enjoys it, and...he brought one to battle
That one part in deltarune chapter 2 when Susie "twisted" her ankle and is bleeding, and it could be assumed that monsters have internal organs and whatnot, but they turn to dust and make the organs disappear with the rest of them; This would also make sense for helping with why sans bleeds, he probably just "bled" out. He could also be doing us dirty with some monster magic shenanigans though, wouldn't put it past him.
Doesnt that run into the issue of why didnt all the other people you stab bleed before dying? Undyne gets cut pretty much in half and the two halves begin sliding apart before she dusts.
The only reason I don't like Ketchup Theory is because despite how strong fans make the connection seem, the only interaction with Ketchup that Sans has is when he's pranking Frisk. Depending on whether you say yes or no to the ketchup he either dumps it on your food or drinks it. As for him working with ketchup, that's only referenced once and it's mentioned alongside relish and I think mustard to set up that he actually uses his lookout stands as hotdog stands. Now granted, a connection is a connection. So I won't say the theory is impossible, it just implies that Sans has a larger connection to ketchup than he does and it reminds me of the early days where everyone acted like he had a ketchup addiction.
As much as I hate it though, Ketchup Theory is the most likely. However, I won't shut down deltarune theory just yet because it does seem like Toby is on the fence about whether he wants monsters to have blood or not since he bounces back and forth about it in the game. So I think we'll know definitively if they have blood or not in the final release.
25:40 . As you mentioned the biggest flow is indeed that monster food conversts into instant energy. But this is a bigger flow than you might realize since ketchup comes out from his mouth. If ketchup actually entered his mouth it would have converted into magic. Also in 21:30. I believe that Sans died but you didn't do justice to the theory that states he didn't die . The reason people are saying that except that you don't see him turn into dust it's because your kill counter doesn't increase. Which is a big problem . Now I believe that Toby forgot to code it since after Sans you meet Asgore and you don't have a chance to see your stats again but then it raises the question why hasn't Toby changed it after all these years.
Here’s my theory. It says in that librarby book that monsters are mostly magic and humans mostly water. Not fully. Maybe sans is just less magic that the other monsters and more water, allowing for him to have some sort of blood. Think about it. He doesn’t have much health, he definitely seems out of shape as if he doesn’t have enough magic to support him, what with him sweating in his battle and him taking shortcuts instead of walking all the way to a place.
I always thought that up until the Sans fight, your weapons weren't really "weapons" - they were more improvised weapons or magic-based (like the Toy Knife and Empty Gun) while by the Sans fight, you'd have the Real Knife in your posession and with the incredibly high damage output it has on its stats (and Toby probably assumed you'd be fighting with it) so with a _real_ weapon in posession, the attack on Sans actually _did_ do such a tremendous amount of damage that it'd cause one to begin bleeding.
I honestly think its more likely the child who asks about you being made of blood is a writing mistake rather than every other mention of blood, Toby forgor this is Deltarune now and wrote a minor NPC line like it's still Undertale. He never made alluded to monsters having blood in Undertale so i don't he would start making so many mistakes about it in Deltarune, one Undertale line slipping through to Deltarune seems more likely.
5:50 It could be reffering to gaster I mean gaster being the one who crossed over isnt out of the question and may be more likely if anything I mean, its be pretty damn easy to become the royal scientist when your first achievement in that universe is well... coming over from another universe
19:11 Another piece of evidence to counter this is that Flowey is able to remember through our resets because of their high amounts of dt, however sans uses "tricks" and facial recognition rather than actually remembering previous attempts. 20:20 Also for this part, I believe that the color for determination is white, as the amalgamations (which are basically liquid dt beings) are mostly white when viewed. Also, the attack patterns of enemies (which are white) tend to be smaller with less-determined enemies,and far more various and complex with bosses (it also connects blue and orange attacks as they are the only trait colors that the soul does not get turned into). Also the ketchup that sans drinks might be human ketchup, which reminds him from the past "world" he used to live in. My theory is that the underground might be a special dark world created by the original humans who trapped the monsters, in which the monsters may have evolved to live in there or something, deltarune takes place in a mostly monster island/town that doesn't have much communication with the human outside world, however the war never started and humans & monsters live peacefully (like a pacifist vs genocide ending to the war I guess). The only problem I found with this theory is that the ui in undertake and in the surface is the same, but maybe its cuz theyre both alone or smth? This theory explains why magic seems to be absent in deltarune and why monsters might bleed. Though tbh regarding sans I think the ketchup theory is the most likely.
1:20 Entierly possible they moved there from new home due to the crowding 1:38 Theres green grass in the underground, and lots of vegetation in asogre's home Itd make sense that the outside of his castle in new home would get lots of vegetation too after a while 5:50 It could be reffering to gaster I mean gaster being the one who crossed over isnt out of the question and may be more likely if anything I mean, its be pretty damn easy to become the royal scientist when your first achievement in that universe is well... coming over from another universe 6:46 Theres an alt version of the sprite with white blood in the files That sorts counteracts the red blood one to some degree if vith were made AND unused 12:48 Determination is more heavily associated with yellow and gold Thats what is highlighted with sometimes out of battle, flowey is a golden flower, the type from charas village, the save points are also yellow 15:07 Wrong, the anomaly is flowey. This is the case since if you do genocide as your first run, he still talks about anomalies in the space time continuum, and who might we think of that may have been reseting a lot? Flowey 16:05 No? If alphys made up the term then why would the narrator (whos probably chara) use it? 16:23 Durectly after killing undyne is when you see mettaton, so he couldnt have been involved, and allhys says in the hotland abourted geno ending that she had started evacuating people before undyne even fought you, which is why asgore didnt absourb the souls. Since alphys didnt watch the fight and see her lose. 23:58 Also possible since he was dying and all that he could actually see or hear papyrus in some way, like in a form of afterlife 24:15 Entierly possible sans was holding onto the ketchup, storing it in his jacket in case he absolutely needed it for some reason to heal (not unlikely fiven how long hes alive before he turns to dust) but the plan just sorta backfired on account of it being slashed into 2 27:06 Probably just meant cant do it on their own, they did have staffs and stuff 27:11 Never says that they get out of the barrier, more likely they walked for a while and starved to death, or got lost
my main problem with Ketchup theory is that Sans coughs up the ketchup from inside his mouth and you can see it from inside his body. Just the logistics alone just make me dismiss it as a ridiculous theory. I think sans is really just from a different universe, just not from Deltarune. It would also be a Toby Fox move to tease us with the possibility that sans travelled from UT/DR or vice-versa just to mess with us.
actually there is another problem with the ketchup theory that I don’t think was mentioned, and that’s the fact that sans “bleeds” from his mouth as well as the wound we already ruled out the possibility of him having drank the ketchup due to how monster food works, so I don’t see how you could explain it coming from his mouth if he just covered himself with it or had it stashed in his jacket
How come no one brings up how how Sans capitalises the ‘NO’ when he says ‘absolutely NO reason to keep persevering’ Sans never uses capitals, even when addressing himself.
Imma be honest, whenever I wonder why sans bleeds, I just say "there's not really an answer to this." At first, I thought it was like in Delta Traveler, where you become so strong to the point that you can now draw blood. The major gap in that idea though is that we kill not only Asgore, but also Flowey, yet they do not bleed. So now, I believe it's either Jaru's theory of "Sans is from Deltarune, but Papyrus is not", the theory that sans bleeds because the bones that were slashed have lots of blood, where papyrus' slash barely has any blood in comparison. (Very unlikely, since it implies there should've been SOME blood.), or it's a spare bottle of Ketchup sans was holding onto. Out of all of them, though, I think he did in face have a spare ketchup bottle, as it's very in-character for him.
The last one doesn’t really make sense since he bleeds from his mouth too, and I just find the Blood = Ketchup theory personally iffy, even though I have seen good stuff that uses it. Sans bleeding because those bones have a lot of blood (and/or the blood marrow theory I sometimes see too) is iffy, because UT monsters shouldn’t bleed, the neck and/or jugular in irl would bleed a lot (though, yes, it is probably different, because Paps is a skeleton), and like u said Paps didn’t bleed at all, even he probably should have at least some w/ this theory, and blood marrow is not the same as actual blood. I am somewhat off on Sans (and Paps either being from it or actually not too) being from DR personally, but this one would be harder for me to explain why. I have seen good stuff use this theory, and I don’t I hate it or anything, just not super sold on it. I do think the best answer is what u said basically. We just don’t really know. (Theorizing about it can be fun though).
I don't really like the sans is from deltarune but paps is not theory IMO, cuz it invalidates a lot of Undertale's story, and it doesn't feel like something Toby would think of Not to mention the snowdin shopkeeper saying that both sans and papyrus "just appeared one day" I like to think either both sans and papyrus are from deltarune, or neither of them are
Well, all of these theories have a pretty small detail that annihilated them, blood and ketchup are both black in white, it's in the battle menu that we see sans bleed, which means it can only be one thing: determination (and also magic)
there is one other possibility, and that it could be our own blood on the knife (tho it wouldnt make complete since…) as he DOES have a garunteed chance to hit us, with the gravity change spam that while cant kill, does do damage. meaning even if you no hit you still will take damage.
Because of the pacifist ending, we can speculate that being able to “come back” is only possible for the entity with the most determination, since flowey didn’t come back either.
The melting for the amalgamations happened quite a while, or at least a day, after they were injected. That can be suspected by the fact that the melting was written in a separate entry
only problem with ketchup theory is that some of the ketchup would be spewing out his mouth aswell unless he just storin it in his mouth or somen like a chipmunk the whole time and somehow still talking it seems like getting it to be in the mouth would be a way harder task than in his hoodie
1. We don't know whether injected determination melts a monster immediately. Maybe it takes some hours, or some days. After all, the True Lab reports initially reported on the injection subjects as being completely fine. They didn't IMMEDIATELY melt. 2. It is possible that determination only causes immortality when the fusage of mutliple monster souls into one body occurs. After all, Undyne melts AND dies. 3. People have theorized that Sans' "papyrus, do you want anything" is him hallucinating that he's seeing Papyrus in the afterlife (because of just how out-of-it he is).
I'm pretty sure the humans can't use magic thingy means that they CAN'T use magic without some sort of magical weapon unlike monsters that can use magic only from their own bodies but in the intro it looks like that dude is welding some kind of weapon idfk
As much as the ketchup theory is sort of logical,despite monster food being converted you could say he strapped it to his chest or something (but than why would it come from his mouth) or you could say he found ketchup from the dump so it’s human food,so it wouldn’t convert instantly (although far fetched) My gripe with it is that it doesn’t really…fit the theme of the Genoicde route? I mean it’s supposed to be dark and eerie,serious. The game literally,from what I recall in the code goes into “serious mode” in Geno. Sans having this dark moment where he bleeds and than Toby just going “oh yeah it’s funni ketchup to guilt trip lol” seems more comedic and doesn’t fit the theme of the Geno route. Also,human magic is connected to magical ITEMS,the monster books state that monsters themselves are MADE of magic and humans cannot express themselves with it,but they never said they couldn’t use it themselves. They pursumably could still use a wand or something to that extent,although it would probably take longer to master hence why they needed their 7 strongest to do it and because it is linked to a item they cannot express their “emotions” through it.
I think the last theory makes the most sense, even if the other one are pretty cool, Toby probably didn't think Undertale would get as popular as it did and was just making it for fun, I think it was also only him working on the game so it make sense why he didn't fix up every plot hole
Sans is alive because if you look at the stats, the number of kills has not increased, but the level increases due to *torture* points, not from murders
Let's face it, it was stupid of Toby to have Papyrus not knowing what the sun is in the pacifist ending. Regardless of the blood business, Papyrus and Sans are strongly coded to be from Deltarune. It's yet another plot hole.
@@feroniks366true... although toby did say that the game he wanted to make first was deltarune, and undertale was something he made because he knew he could do it relatively quicklyy
It's not coincidentally, you only get the Don't forget flavor text if you talk to Clam Girl about Suzy. Monsters still turn into dust in Deltarune, they follow the same ritual of spreading a monster's dust on objects and burying them. And as you said, the rabbit kid confirms it. The Ice E person is a larper, he pretends to have blood like how he pretends he's a Warrior and that doctors are wizards. I don't understand what's confusing about Lancer knowing what blood is at all. Susie surely bleeds, she could be a special monster or a half human half monster. We don't know. Determination is gold, not yellow or red. The color used in text is yellow and it's used to highlight things in general. The anomaly Sans mentions is Flowey, not Frisk. ?? Colors are more important in UT/DR than they ever been in FNAF. The ketchup being the same color as his blood is a huge piece of evidence. Unexplained things aren't plot holes, plot holes are when things go against an established plot point. None of the things you mentioned are plot holes. *In conclusion:* it's ketchup.
frisk crossing the barrier without a monster soul is very much a plot hole... also "half human monster?" please, my man... this is a toby fox game, not someones fanfic oc!!!
As another explanation for the Susie thing, some theories suggest that she was raised in a human community, so it’d make sense for her to use human-biology sayings involving blood. Or it could just be a saying, “everybody bleeds” meaning “everybody can get hurt.”
But Deltarune Frisk is the only playable character that cannot use magic. All others (monsters) can do this. Although. I don’t understand what’s so special about people then. Act? Susie and Ravioli acted in Chapter 2. Absorb power? The entire team increased their strength in the second chapter. The only thing left is the levels of violence and determination
@@leedlelel2373 No it isn't, Flowey had multiple human souls and should've been able to cross the barrier. While it would take 7 human souls of power to break the barrier having the power of 6 would be more then enough to pull someone through as this is more then 2 soul crossing requirement.
My theory is that Toby did it just to fuck with everyone. Just like that back room in the house with the "don't forget" card and broken machine. Just to see what people come up with.
I just found your channel with this video, and honestly I can really appreciate how you explain a lot of evidence but then also ramble on about your feelings and opinions. This was a very fun video to watch. I feel like if Sans and Papyrus are from Deltarune then it can't be an alternate universe to Undertale, because we didn't see their Undertale counterparts and i doubt that would be kept from us. Not everyone in Deltarune has an Undertale counterpart, but the major players from Undertale are all in Deltarune. Toriel, Asgore, Asriel, Undyne, Alphys, Mettaton, etc etc.
I doubt they have undertale counterparts. most of our actual main characters in deltarune don't have them, I don't think it's much of stretch for them to be unique to deltarunes universe just like Susie and Lancer and Noelle etc and have traveled over. although I admit that makes me realise they probably both do have to be from deltarune if either of them are, and papyrus being from deltarune doesn't really work as well for me.
It's kind of more understandable that deltarune monsters have blood since it seems like they are stronger than those in Undertale and more resilient with determination like Susie is a very strong monster and even stronger than Kris, which shouldn't be the case normally but she is and the magic of these monsters is quite impressive and some can open the dark
27:03 it says that humans can't express themselves with magic. it doesn't say humans can't use magic. human magic does not have the individuality and art of monster magic.
Solid video, and I'd like to add some anecdotes to details that I found challenging: - The books state that humans don't know the joys of self-expression through magic, not explicitly that they can't use magic altogether. - It's not clear whether Frisk crossed the barrier in neutral. All that is seen is them at the last room in the game. Some theorize that the reason why we don't see a cutscene of them on the surface like the pacifist ending or why they don't pick up their calls is because they failed to make it through the barrier, and passed or was trapped in the process. Some other hypotheses state that the power of the human souls may have allowed Frisk a single passage outside the barrier. If neither the neutral ending or the books are plot holes, it would make Sans' blood a very large and lonely plot hole. - Sans being from Deltarune (predicated on the presumption that monsters do have blood) would be strange considering that, if Papyrus was also from DR, he would be the only DR monster with a confirmable lack of blood contrasting Sans' presence of blood. It is plausible that there's variance in the presence of blood in monsters from DR, since I can't fathom how a fire monster like the one in the Hometown diner would ever contain blood. You did a good job covering the leading theories. It's fun seeing how people continue to develop the story of the game's world almost a decade later.
sans the type of guy to hide 4 ketchup bottles in his jacket so it looks like he is bleeding so he can go off-screen and shake some dust off a nearby pillar then immediately go back to sleep
Sans's illusion magic comes in a multitude of instances. First is when he cloaks his entire body to make it black, which can possibly be extended to making his pupils invisible. Another possible instance of illusion magic is how the Grillby's restaurant appears to go completely still when he talks to Frisk about Papyrus and "the flower." That's about it
@@willsmith5935 He _did_ Remember the end of the fight? When he makes it permanently his turn? Or all the cut-to-black moments? That's some time/space shenanigans
The Grillby example isn’t illusion powers, he is literally stopping time. Which he shows in other parts too, like in his fight. So he had teleporting, time freeze powers, gravity manipulation, Karma, etc. The former could be illusion powers. Maybe. But the latter isn’t, but is instead something else imo.
Sans discourse have been going hot for nine years, like, this lazy bone can fit so many plot holes in him. Honestly I think Toby is just trying to figure it out himself, lmao. I mean, sans clearly has a connection to gaster (very clearly defined character) because of the gaster blaster (mainly) but the chronology of gaster being a royal scientist doesn’t match with the supposed age(?) of sans or what we know of him since “arriving” to snowdin. Sans BLEEDS?!?! while papyrus doesn’t, we don’t know what papyrus special attack is (the reveal would be huge and could potentially reveal many things about the lore), papyrus himself doesn’t seem to know a whole lot about sans because “sans never tells anyone anything!”, sans can manipulate space and time(???) and nobody seems to question it, it is just like that (although it is more like nobody can explain it, so we just gave up). A better question would be WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT SANS AND PAPYRUS?!?! my response would be “two skeleton brothers that reside in snowdin, insert papyrus lore, insert sans lore” but people are even questioning if sans is actually a skeleton (very justifiably so, but still).
Where did Sans come from before Deltarune and who says Papyrus is his exact brother not another AU one? What would Sans have needed to witness continually to be willing to give up and if not for Toriel would've immediately killed the first human he saw? It seems Sans may have not just observed timelines ending from a distance but tried to stop them a few times eventually giving up.
While its not directly confirmed that monsters have blood in Deltarune, it does seem to be heavily implied that monsters are physically more similar to humans in Deltarune than in Undertale. In Undertale the main difference between humans and monsters is that monsters are made mostly of magic while humans are made mostly of physical matter. This leads to humans being able to hold more determination than monsters. The existence of special monster food that gets absorbed instead of digested like human food. Monsters turning to dust when killed. Etc. In Deltarune none of these things come up. Magic only exist in the dark world, meaning monsters cant be made from it. All Lightners are said to be capable of having determination. There is seemingly no difference between between human and monster food. And while we dont know wether or not monsters turn to dust, it hasnt been confirmed that they do either. But with Rudy and Berdly we may get an answer to that soon. Meaning they are also made of mostly physical matter in Deltarune, which would/could include blood. To me asking if monsters bleed in Deltarune would be like asking if they poop. They didnt in Undertale but the reason why they didnt doesnt exist in Deltarune so while it hasnt been confirmed, it can be very much assumed until proven otherwise. In my eyes, this makes the Sans is from Deltarune theory the most likely explanation. Not to mention all of the ties Sans has to Gaster and Gaster has to Deltarune.
@duckenjoyer619and interestingly enough, sans' ketchup bottle is the same shade of red as the "blood" he bleeds at the end of his fight. so it's possible what he is bleeding is just ketchup.
27:06 I think that the spells and monster magic are different things just like LOVE and love the difference between monsters terms and human terms I think Monsters magic will be like this ( Monsters Ability of Good Intense Cruilty) like LOVE ( Level Of ViolencE ) just something like that Don't take the magic term that I said seriously it's an example
I think there's a much simpler answer than we're all making it out to be. Monsters could just have their own type of magic blood. We only see Sans bleed for emphasis' sake. I mean, we see several monsters sweat & cry. Why would blood be an exception?
I like to imagine that Toby specifically made Sans drink ketchup in the pacifist run(showing us that he does that often) so he bleeds ketchup at the end of the genocide run to bring us guilt one of Toby's main reasons for making undertale was to make players feel bad for killing after all
In regards to the "illusion magic" theory, Sans kinda does warp time and space. He'll go in the opposite direction and end up in the room that you're headed. He also knows some shortcuts that don't exist. So, maybe not illusion as it is alteration but I think it could be some food for thought.
Yellow is just a way of highlighting, many other texts and dialogues use it (especially the frogs). Determination is actually associated with the color red during the game, but this does not apply to the color of the soul because other humans who have different soul colors also had determination and the power to save the game. This is revealed in one of Toriel's first calls in which she strangely says that she already knows the other humans without ever having seen them before, indicating that the humans used save-points. And besides, although we actually hear the sound of a monster dying and we increase in level (love), Sans' death is not counted, as if his probable death didn't really matter in the game. And this really makes me think that he doesn't count as one of the deaths because he isn't from the world of Undertale and comes from Deltarune. Furthermore, I believe that the blood is really ketchup, as he always carries it on his coat, he even drinks it on our date at Grillby's and even offers us to put it on our food (although he spills too much and we can't really eat it).
To me something I always interpreted Sans' flicking between different bullet patterns as a way to show that this battle is going on way longer than it actually does in the fight.
Thinking about it Maybe "Toby thinks it's dramatic" isn't far off Maybe it's something more powerful It's a metaphor of some kind? Like how in Puss in Boots 2, Puss bleeds in a kid's movie. Sans is the only monster to bleed; whether it's possible for a monster to do so or not, we're bound to interpret the blood more powerfully as guilt than dust. Because dust, whilst still guilt-inducing, would be more cathartic and like "I've done it" rather than "what have I done?" The sudden inclusion of blood humanises the characters in a similar way to their character arcs. However, whilst the character arcs in general are to make you form bonds with the monsters, their positive arcs during Genocide use those human-to-monster bonds to continuously add more and more powerful negative emotions throughout the run. It could be a stretch, but given Undertale is more of a eudaimonic game in my experience; where after Pacifist I just could NOT bring myself to kill anyone, I think some kind of guilt-inducing metaphor or underlying meaning is part of what Toby intended. I'm not entirely sure how to word that better, sorry. EDIT: Hey sorry, I'm back Maybe the blood is both a metaphor on guilt and of murder. As murder is essentially needless bloodshed. As well as this, the inclusion - and only inclusion - of monster blood is a shock tactic similar to the one in Puss in Boots 2 to catch the player off-guard.
I haven't actually finished the vid, but I just want to say I'm pretty sure monsters in detarune don't bleed but darkners do. Lancer talking about squishing then into blood could be attributed to him not knowing monster didn't have blood, as well as Ralsei not correcting him, Susie saying that everybody bleeds was just intimidation, and your blood boiling is probably just a common saying among both species because English is weird
Determination is the ONLY thing that can be in colour during fights (so all colours except black and white maybe ...) are all (at least in fights) determination :)
My belief on why sans bleeds It's because you got so mad That you just couldn't take it any more and just decided KILL HIM Because your hatred for that skeleton You probably died at least 20 times in your first sans fight right?
The thing with ketchup theory and it not converting to energy is a bit weird though. Sure Sans is a monster, but he's also a *skeleton monster.* Where would the ketchup (or any food really) go to be converted into energy? He's an undead monster, which excluding the ghosts, are the only ones in the entire Underground. Additionally, even Napstablook presumably doesn't eat regular monster food, since he has ghost food in his fridge, implying he also wouldn't be able to convert regular food into energy. Thus, Sans' ketchup just kinda... Sits there in his jacket. I don't recall where it was shown exactly, but there was a sprite of Sans drinking some sort of milkshake or other while laying on a chair, and the liquid did end up seeping out from underneath him too.
I know the sprite your talking about, but I think that was just for sillies, I think when it says it immediately gets converted to energy, the minute it touches their teeth it basically absorbs into the body, or bones in this case
Ketchup theory has to be false because of one flaw, it implies sans kept ketchup in his mouth the entire fight. that’s impossible because monster food instantly converts into energy the moment it enters the body. He bleeds out of his mouth like his non-existent lungs got slashed, or rather his rib cage was broken.
What if his body rejected the determination? That would explain why he isn’t very determined, and why flowey and undyne melt but sans doesn’t The DT might just be chillin in his bones not being absorbed
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I want to add that there is a huge point you missed that sucker punches the ketchup theory. There is a bit of blood or "blood" that came out of Sans mouth. If Sans somehow got somekind of ketchup affect under his jacket, or shirt; where does the blood come from on our right of the corner of his mouth?
Sans bleeds because skeletons produce blood so it could be like actual blood or it could be stored magic :D
I don’t know, why does he bleed? Don’t ask me, you are the theorist.
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Oh my god its albert einstein
It’s bone marrow, papyrus didn’t bleed because papyrus has tiny bones, plus if it was determination itwould’ve already melted into an amalgamation
Bone marrow doesnt contain enough blood to stain someones hoodie.
@@tobiasbayer4866 then what do you think it is? If it was ketchup, it already would’ve went through the hoodie, assuming his tab was only ketchup
I thought "ketchup theory" was just a bunch of ketchup bottles and tape.
(Slashproof vest)
i saw one where it said that, since he never went to grillby's with frisk, it was just still in his jacket, it was slashed and the bottle exploded (not with fire, more like ketchup)
@@edgardeivisblood came up his mouth tho.
@@NoName-qk2jf because the bottle exploded
@@edgardeivis that makes no sense. if the bottle was hidden in his jacket and it exploded it should be all over his torso and not come up his mouth. how does that work 😭🙏
@@NoName-qk2jf the bottle cap wasnt screwed all the way, since it falls in grillby's
sans is a skeleton so it couldve exploded up into his head, it is all over his body too
Guys guys here me out
Sans is Mario
-Sans is short like Mario
Sans has blue eyes like Mario
-They both have a tall pretty handsome looking brother
-Sans and Mario’s names have A as the second letter
Slam dunk theory, I know
they also played fortnite together in halloween. coincidence? i think not
They are both in Smash Bros
HOWEVER
Sans is just a Mi costume, wich means that we've yet to see Sans AND Mario in the same room at the same time.
Yeah, but that would also mean that Papyrus is Luigi
HOLY SHIT UNDERTOAD CANON !!11!!1!!
no sans is ness
I bet Sans wears an emergency bottle of ketchup in his shirt incase he gets hungry.
nah he just drank alot before the fight
Wishful thinking,but the fight is like 30 mins so it’s not possible to go out of mouth
How is he hungry if he is a skeleton.
@@StrPeppersHe would have the ketchup on his pants then xd
@@StrPeppersim pretty sure food, when eaten by monsters, just instantly ceases to be/instantly digested/converted into magic
20:06 we aren’t the soul of determination, we are the soul of “ball game.”
Ball Game is the best personality trait one could have, clearly
red soul confirmed.
true
She goes on a tangent about him dying when he has determination but it’s canon that the person with the MOST determination
How are your balls?
some weird or extra points for certain theories because i felt like it:
blood/bone marrow theory:
- monsters are MOSTLY made of magic, not fully. so why can't they have biological blood on rare occasions? (could even be the same in deltarune, only some have it?)
- it could also be that skeleton monsters simulate what a human skeleton would be, given the sheer resemblance (except for the skulls) so bone marrow and therefore blood would be simulated even if not needed.
- hell, it could just also be magical just like the rest of him, fake blood, if you will.
- as for why papyrus "doesn't bleed", it could just be hidden under his armour / not lit enough to see clearly under the armour. (battle body)
determination theory:
- given determination's connection to the color yellow, maybe his yellow eye is from that, with cyan for blue magic or something (idk, but i just thought it was neat).
- sans doesn't act very determined indeed, maybe the whole reason he even tries fighting you at all is because of some extra DT he injected? ("forced" determination if you will)
- DT might be red but the powers and magic behind it are yellow, thus the save point and such. (maybe even your HP is determination because its yellow, and it doesn't drop to zero when you "refuse").
- flowey probably has his determination in his roots, given that the roots absorb nutriens and water. (and thus maybe he was injected there?)
- i believe we never made undyne bleed because she didn't have any outer/visible wounds throughout the entire fight, she just melts and seemed fine for the rest of it. (armour shade again for neutral kills and before her undying fight)
even though people like toriel and papyrus get a bit of dialouge after they get killed, sans also just kinda walks it off for a bit before dying. like hes refusing to die just a little longer.
ketchup theory:
- it may have never been monster food at all, maybe just surface ketchup that got into the dump, or grillbs has a huge stash of it from god knows where.
- he probably has set this up for a long time, just waiting for opportunity to use this as a prank and/or a guilt trip like mentioned here.
- funny for the funny bone man.
also-
"SANS! WHY IS YOUR JACKET FULL OF KETCHUP STAINS?!" "its the new fashion trend, maybe you should ketch-up with the times."
lmao ketchup pun XD
and yes, ketchup theory all the way for me
for the dt theory, you could also add the fact that sans melts slightly in his fight (the "sweat")
determination is golden, not yellow
The problem with pap’s blood being hidden is that you decapitat him
dang these are all really good counter points ngl- i was leaning ketchup theory personally as it mostly fits with canon sans (imo) but your explanation of the DT theory's plot holes feels kinda right too
Reminder ya'll that Papyrus doesn't know what a sun is, yet he knows green grass
maybe papyrus forgor
deltarune, maybe paps goes out only during the night? Maybe he appears only during the roaring when the sun isn't visible?
for all we care snowdin was more green than snowy
Personally, I think the green grass is the spot from the Kickstarter video, with Sans (in a lawn chair) and Papyrus. It seems like the kind of thing for Toby to do, just to throw people for a loop
@@Bruh_idk69lul I think so too, and thats my main idea, but people seem to disagree
Theres another problem with ketchup, which it comes out of his mouth.
And it takes longer than the chest "blood".
And his mouth never moves so its weird to say he *bites* down on it, but then again, he has to eat for energy.
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But its kind of funny how the "blood" is such a mystery,
Sans has so many ties to places that it could literally be so many things, but each thing has alot of flaws.
Correction about his mouth never moving: Exactly one pixel disappears from his grin when blood appears on his face, therefore, his mouth did move!
I think sans is a human in skeleton costume and the hit got him springlocked
@@Motivated-eu7cz
Matpat was wrong.. Sans isn't Ness..
HE'S WILLIAM AFTON
Sans was savouring the ketchup in his mouth, that's why his mouth never moves.
We don't know whether his mouth not moving is supposed to be diegetic.
7:00 you also have to consider that this monster child probably learned about blood from their aformentioned mother, who (as an adult) would know what humans and monsters are made of. However, one thing that I noticed is that the child says "made of" blood. Humans do have a lot of blood in them, but it's only about 10%. Maybe monsters have some blood too, but they don't need as much to stay alive. So, the child would be saying "you have a lot more blood than we do, does it hurt?". As for lancer, I dunno. I think it really is just a throwaway joke, and Toby messed up.
You completely changed the sentence lol.
The kid is a kid, they say "made of" for the same reason they ask if blood hurts. In Chapter 2 they also say that humans are made of bones.
So, the kid is really asking "Does it hurt to have blood?"
Aren't humans like 80% made of water, thus very close to blood.
The kid saying “made of” blood, could just be him being a kid. I don’t must kids would know how much blood u are or aren’t made of.
It could also just be more a slang or colloquial term; not completely factual, if that makes sense.
@@Dragon_Aoithey did say that it would be very confusing from writting perspective, since it references nothing, and making this false, with like him just not knowing, is dumb.
It might be monster kid
"sans has strong ties to gaster, and ketchup"
*explodes and then goes to ad*
best transition ever
Sans could've met Alphys pretty easily. He seems to hangout throughout the entire underground in the game- though if you want to ignore that since he might just be following Frisk- he is confirmed to be a semi-regular comedian at MTT Resort, so not only would he go to Hotland often, but he also have potential ties to Mettaton and through him Alphys.
I think that Sans probably does do science with Alphys, I just wanted to give a potential reason beside it
There are also hints that Sans knows about (some of) Alphys’ secrets and helps out, like with the dog food. Alphys is shown to know Sans at the end of the Pacifist route, but he basically cuts her off.
Alphys calls Sans a good guy in the Queen Alphys ending, where Sans and her are together, and he helps give her Frisk’s number, so she can call them. Etc.
Also yeah, Sans has a lot of ties and social circles w/ people.
Something you may want to take into account as to why people believe sans doesn’t die at the end of his fight isn’t just the end of battle sound that plays at the end that doesn’t only represent a monster’s death but rather the end of a fight. But what people should take into account is the number of kills you have before and after fighting sans that can appear in the entire menu thing you go to equip items and where your stats are located. After the end of the fight the number of monsters you have killed will remain the same. Also you could make the argument that LV increases the more you distance yourself from your soul rather than killing a monster, killing just makes it easier to distance yourself which is why our LOVE doesn’t increase each time we kill a monster but rather at certain times like how undyne gives us a load of LV or mettaton neo despite being a one hit. It’s more connected emotion wise rather than video game you leveled up mechanic. Sans said it best himself, EXP is execution points and LOV is Level of violence. Sorry for the rant just thought it could interest you, cool video btw
I was thinking about that too
@@kyledunn3747 yeah not many people think about that, plus we don’t see him die on screen and movie/anime rule number one is that if you don’t see them die in front of you then you better know he’s still alive!
i remember seeing somewhere that the reason it dosen't count as a kill is because chara was the one who landed the hit on sans, thus killing him.
remember that we didn't activate the attack at the end, which is probably why it didn't count as our kill.
pretty sure i also saw that somewhere in the files of undertale you can see all of the kills, and there is a folder seperate from our that has a kill or two, which could be chara.
not sure if that last part is rigjt or not since i never checked the files, tho i remember seeing something like that
I was about to comment the same thing
the kill counter thing is either because it was chara's kill or because it was sans counting the kills in the first place
and anyways, even if he survived, what would be the point in that? to just say "sans is a gigachad that cant be killed"? it doesnt even matter, the world gets ERASED, theres no way in hell hes surviving THAT
He is just on his period probably, give my man some space
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transmasc sans confirmed???
Based take
@@Selevur175Holy shit there's three of them now
the brain rot of hearing the word "yellow" in an undertale analysis video is so insane lmfaoooo
Yellow is the color of Juandice
@@kingofdemons948juandice
Justice is splendor and splendor is justice
what
@@igorka5exeULTRAKILL REFERE-
Guys? The "blueprints" in the secret room in Sans' and Papyrus' house looks exactly like Susie's and Lancer's table where Kris and Ralsei make the Trash Machine.
If that were the case, then I think that would mean that the "illegible" writing on it would be the "Create a machine to thrash your own ass" written in cursive.
Imagine if chapter 7 comes out and the machine in Sans' basement is actually the Trash Machine
@@pikmintsmaybe frisk just can't read cursive, and this is why they can't read alphys notes.
@@davisdf3064 I am now genuinely concerned this could happen
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Honestly, i would go bananas
I feel like the logic at 0:43 doesn't quite make a whole lot of sense. The line specifically states that monsters are made of mostly magic, not entirely of magic (Alphys heavily implies that monsters have at least a little physicality in the true lab). Humans are made of mostly water, and they still have blood
The actual makeup of monsters probably varies a lot between each monster, like how Snowdrake literally says that they're made of ice post true pacifist, or how ghosts are clearly made of something special cuz they can just go through stuff. Maybe some of 'em just have blood, and that's that
My counter to the “sans ketchup is just fucking with you to make you lose determination” is that he has no reaction to you reloading after killing him beyond “wow youre fucked up”
Just as a small counterargument against the "determination melts monsters" argument, I remember seeing someone on Twitter make the argument that we've never seen or heard of a monster injected with determination that wasn't already mortally wounded or close to death.
Undyne had just been killed, then persisted after her death, so her body was obviously vulnerable. The monsters Alphys was experimenting on had already fallen down. And on top of that, Alphys says in entry 14 that the monsters she experimented seemed completely fine initially, meaning it would take a while before the melting would set in.
Sans might've been injected very close to when the fight takes place, meaning he wouldn't have had the time or the preexisting life-threatening injuries to cause him to melt. Had he already been wounded, or had the determination in his system for longer, he might've melted.
Obviously, I'm not bashing anyone who doesn't believe in the theory as it is kind of farfetched, but it isn't completely implausible.
The ketchup theory has backups.
Maybe he had a ketchup bottle in his shirt so he could possibly survive the blow. It makes sense since he tries to stop us no matter what, so if he survived he could trick us and caught us off guard.
Ketchup, is at least what I thought for a long time
Yeah, that was pretty popular fanon for a long time but I think we have better theories now, mainly the Sans is from Deltarune theory.
My money's on the ketchup theory hands down, cause there could be some more explenations to why it works (mostly cap)
- He put the ketchup in his pockets
this is most simple, but also adds the question; why doesn't it spill all over his jacket and come from underneath it? Well there's another possible expelanation for that
- He put the ketchup inside his jacket, maybe in between his rib cage or smth. Sounds weird but trust me, it was just to guilt trip us anyways
- And lastly, it's human ketchup from the dump
hey, if he was planning on tricking us why not use food that doesn't immediately turn into energy? It could be argued that if it was in the dump it would be.. rotten. But still, ketchup is ketchup
@@tobiasbayer4866 The only problem with deltarune theory is that papyrus doesn’t bleed, which means either they’re not biological brothers, only sans is from deltarune, or its not correct
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Considering all of the Sans Gaster and Gaster Deltarune connections I think only Sans being from Deltarune isnt to far fetched.
@@tobiasbayer4866
They came to Snowdin together, and the Papyrus newsletter interview specifically implies he came from Deltarune.
way off topic but is the canonical reason why random food can save you from the brink of death because of the “monster food converting into energy instantly” thing
I love plot hole theory, toby fox made asriel fly because he "looked like a dork just standing there"
The kid might be implying that monsters have a different type of blood, similar to how there are warm and cold blooded animals.
I’m pretty partial to the monsters in Deltarune bleed theory, I mean he does mention blood ALOT. compared to say, Undertale in Deltarune. I think it would be more convincing if mentions of blood actually were colored red in game and then he could have kept the kids line white to show it’s unimportant.
The problem is that Papyrus doesn’t bleed, but the QnA implies he’s from Deltarune too. Then again, he doesn’t know what the sun is, so either he has amnesia, is lying, or just happened to not know what the sun is somehow
@@waluigiisthebest2802 Think we're getting to the point where occum's razor has to be applied. Reading into every line and trying to figure out what's a joke/lore is getting to fnaf levels
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I agree, until concrete evidence for monster blood, i think we should just take those as one-off jokes
@@waluigiisthebest2802 Idk about the blood issue, but to be fair we have never seen Papyrus come outside of the house in Deltarune yet, so we cannot say for certain that he had seen the sun in that game yet. Perhaps he will never come out?
@@waluigiisthebest2802Maybe his armor concealed the bleeding
Bone marrow theory doesn't work because the marrow in the body of long bones isn't red marrow (hematopoietic tissue making blood cells), but actually yellow marrow (fat stores), and he gets slashed across the ribs meaning of his bones were cracked open and we saw marrow it would only be red towards the few places where the ends of bones were broken, and be colored closer to fat everywhere else
17 times?
Entry 17?
either a coincidence or genius
literally my thought exactly
game theory : sans had one bottle of human ketchup he was saving just because its hard to find and for a special occasion, and since the world was literally ending, he though "might as well drink it now"
So human ketchup is sans' version of champagne?
@@PikaFanboyand now i imagine a champagne glass of ketchup
yes, yes it is
That's a really funny idea, I like it.
Sans just pissed himself when you hit him
His piss is red?
And comes out of his ribcage?
Damn, monster biology really is weird
@@davisdf3064 he put food coloring in his pee
@@davisdf3064he was also passing a kidney stone at the same time
Damn, where’d he get human water? Seems to have wrecked his shit
@@mandymom2800 he slurped up the waterfall mystery juice
if its of any relief, justice and determination's yellow slightly differ enough to tell them apart... sort of
But anyways, deltarune separates them via the flowers in asgores flower shop, where there is both a golden and yellow flower
20:58 Determination allows you to rewind time if you are the most determined being in the underground. Flowey also has determination, but you can also kill him. Sans may have determination, but our determination overrides his.
About papyrus green grass: maybe it is a reference to a kickstarter image where sans and papyrus are standing in a green grass. That would explain why paps were so nervous about it, like man, that must be a confusing memory. And also, in the pacifist route sans drinks the ketchup or it spill up all over the food at grilbys, but in genocide he never actually took you there, meaning that the bottle is still full inside his jacket
Yeah but why would Sans just interrupt Papyrus like that? Maybe it could be a joke but that joke doesn't really make sense since it just abruptly ends and there's no punchline to it and unusually Sans has punch lines for his jokes.
@@Youuu-nt4rh yeah pretty mysterious 👀
My theory is that Sans saved ketchup on his jacket, like he cant live without ketchup, even in a fight, he just cant leave the ketchup, and he enjoys it, and...he brought one to battle
Undertale: Random misaligned pixel in a random area
Undertale fans: 30min theory video on why pixel is there
its cuz gaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That one part in deltarune chapter 2 when Susie "twisted" her ankle and is bleeding, and it could be assumed that monsters have internal organs and whatnot, but they turn to dust and make the organs disappear with the rest of them; This would also make sense for helping with why sans bleeds, he probably just "bled" out. He could also be doing us dirty with some monster magic shenanigans though, wouldn't put it past him.
Doesnt that run into the issue of why didnt all the other people you stab bleed before dying? Undyne gets cut pretty much in half and the two halves begin sliding apart before she dusts.
The only reason I don't like Ketchup Theory is because despite how strong fans make the connection seem, the only interaction with Ketchup that Sans has is when he's pranking Frisk. Depending on whether you say yes or no to the ketchup he either dumps it on your food or drinks it.
As for him working with ketchup, that's only referenced once and it's mentioned alongside relish and I think mustard to set up that he actually uses his lookout stands as hotdog stands.
Now granted, a connection is a connection. So I won't say the theory is impossible, it just implies that Sans has a larger connection to ketchup than he does and it reminds me of the early days where everyone acted like he had a ketchup addiction.
As much as I hate it though, Ketchup Theory is the most likely.
However, I won't shut down deltarune theory just yet because it does seem like Toby is on the fence about whether he wants monsters to have blood or not since he bounces back and forth about it in the game. So I think we'll know definitively if they have blood or not in the final release.
25:40 . As you mentioned the biggest flow is indeed that monster food conversts into instant energy. But this is a bigger flow than you might realize since ketchup comes out from his mouth. If ketchup actually entered his mouth it would have converted into magic.
Also in 21:30. I believe that Sans died but you didn't do justice to the theory that states he didn't die . The reason people are saying that except that you don't see him turn into dust it's because your kill counter doesn't increase. Which is a big problem . Now I believe that Toby forgot to code it since after Sans you meet Asgore and you don't have a chance to see your stats again but then it raises the question why hasn't Toby changed it after all these years.
Here’s my theory. It says in that librarby book that monsters are mostly magic and humans mostly water. Not fully. Maybe sans is just less magic that the other monsters and more water, allowing for him to have some sort of blood. Think about it. He doesn’t have much health, he definitely seems out of shape as if he doesn’t have enough magic to support him, what with him sweating in his battle and him taking shortcuts instead of walking all the way to a place.
mmm good idea !!!!
I always thought that up until the Sans fight, your weapons weren't really "weapons" - they were more improvised weapons or magic-based (like the Toy Knife and Empty Gun) while by the Sans fight, you'd have the Real Knife in your posession and with the incredibly high damage output it has on its stats (and Toby probably assumed you'd be fighting with it) so with a _real_ weapon in posession, the attack on Sans actually _did_ do such a tremendous amount of damage that it'd cause one to begin bleeding.
ketchup was in his inventory🥶🥶🥶
I honestly think its more likely the child who asks about you being made of blood is a writing mistake rather than every other mention of blood, Toby forgor this is Deltarune now and wrote a minor NPC line like it's still Undertale. He never made alluded to monsters having blood in Undertale so i don't he would start making so many mistakes about it in Deltarune, one Undertale line slipping through to Deltarune seems more likely.
30 damn minutes and not once have you ever addressed the idea of Sans being potentially a darkner from deltarune instead of a monster
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It could be reffering to gaster
I mean gaster being the one who crossed over isnt out of the question and may be more likely if anything
I mean, its be pretty damn easy to become the royal scientist when your first achievement in that universe is well... coming over from another universe
19:11 Another piece of evidence to counter this is that Flowey is able to remember through our resets because of their high amounts of dt, however sans uses "tricks" and facial recognition rather than actually remembering previous attempts.
20:20 Also for this part, I believe that the color for determination is white, as the amalgamations (which are basically liquid dt beings) are mostly white when viewed. Also, the attack patterns of enemies (which are white) tend to be smaller with less-determined enemies,and far more various and complex with bosses (it also connects blue and orange attacks as they are the only trait colors that the soul does not get turned into).
Also the ketchup that sans drinks might be human ketchup, which reminds him from the past "world" he used to live in.
My theory is that the underground might be a special dark world created by the original humans who trapped the monsters, in which the monsters may have evolved to live in there or something, deltarune takes place in a mostly monster island/town that doesn't have much communication with the human outside world, however the war never started and humans & monsters live peacefully (like a pacifist vs genocide ending to the war I guess). The only problem I found with this theory is that the ui in undertake and in the surface is the same, but maybe its cuz theyre both alone or smth? This theory explains why magic seems to be absent in deltarune and why monsters might bleed. Though tbh regarding sans I think the ketchup theory is the most likely.
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Entierly possible they moved there from new home due to the crowding
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Theres green grass in the underground, and lots of vegetation in asogre's home
Itd make sense that the outside of his castle in new home would get lots of vegetation too after a while
5:50
It could be reffering to gaster
I mean gaster being the one who crossed over isnt out of the question and may be more likely if anything
I mean, its be pretty damn easy to become the royal scientist when your first achievement in that universe is well... coming over from another universe
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Theres an alt version of the sprite with white blood in the files
That sorts counteracts the red blood one to some degree if vith were made AND unused
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Determination is more heavily associated with yellow and gold
Thats what is highlighted with sometimes out of battle, flowey is a golden flower, the type from charas village, the save points are also yellow
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Wrong, the anomaly is flowey. This is the case since if you do genocide as your first run, he still talks about anomalies in the space time continuum, and who might we think of that may have been reseting a lot? Flowey
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No? If alphys made up the term then why would the narrator (whos probably chara) use it?
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Durectly after killing undyne is when you see mettaton, so he couldnt have been involved, and allhys says in the hotland abourted geno ending that she had started evacuating people before undyne even fought you, which is why asgore didnt absourb the souls. Since alphys didnt watch the fight and see her lose.
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Also possible since he was dying and all that he could actually see or hear papyrus in some way, like in a form of afterlife
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Entierly possible sans was holding onto the ketchup, storing it in his jacket in case he absolutely needed it for some reason to heal (not unlikely fiven how long hes alive before he turns to dust) but the plan just sorta backfired on account of it being slashed into 2
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Probably just meant cant do it on their own, they did have staffs and stuff
27:11
Never says that they get out of the barrier, more likely they walked for a while and starved to death, or got lost
my main problem with Ketchup theory is that Sans coughs up the ketchup from inside his mouth and you can see it from inside his body. Just the logistics alone just make me dismiss it as a ridiculous theory.
I think sans is really just from a different universe, just not from Deltarune. It would also be a Toby Fox move to tease us with the possibility that sans travelled from UT/DR or vice-versa just to mess with us.
and hes drink in one trailer of undertale and the ketchup goes through it
actually there is another problem with the ketchup theory that I don’t think was mentioned, and that’s the fact that sans “bleeds” from his mouth as well as the wound
we already ruled out the possibility of him having drank the ketchup due to how monster food works, so I don’t see how you could explain it coming from his mouth if he just covered himself with it or had it stashed in his jacket
wait i just realized, skeletons have holes in their body. he just hid it in his body and partially in his mouth. that's why it's always closed LOL
it says the body not the mouth so he couldve not swallowed it
How come no one brings up how how Sans capitalises the ‘NO’ when he says ‘absolutely NO reason to keep persevering’
Sans never uses capitals, even when addressing himself.
Imma be honest, whenever I wonder why sans bleeds, I just say "there's not really an answer to this." At first, I thought it was like in Delta Traveler, where you become so strong to the point that you can now draw blood. The major gap in that idea though is that we kill not only Asgore, but also Flowey, yet they do not bleed. So now, I believe it's either Jaru's theory of "Sans is from Deltarune, but Papyrus is not", the theory that sans bleeds because the bones that were slashed have lots of blood, where papyrus' slash barely has any blood in comparison. (Very unlikely, since it implies there should've been SOME blood.), or it's a spare bottle of Ketchup sans was holding onto. Out of all of them, though, I think he did in face have a spare ketchup bottle, as it's very in-character for him.
The last one doesn’t really make sense since he bleeds from his mouth too, and I just find the Blood = Ketchup theory personally iffy, even though I have seen good stuff that uses it.
Sans bleeding because those bones have a lot of blood (and/or the blood marrow theory I sometimes see too) is iffy, because UT monsters shouldn’t bleed, the neck and/or jugular in irl would bleed a lot (though, yes, it is probably different, because Paps is a skeleton), and like u said Paps didn’t bleed at all, even he probably should have at least some w/ this theory, and blood marrow is not the same as actual blood.
I am somewhat off on Sans (and Paps either being from it or actually not too) being from DR personally, but this one would be harder for me to explain why. I have seen good stuff use this theory, and I don’t I hate it or anything, just not super sold on it.
I do think the best answer is what u said basically. We just don’t really know.
(Theorizing about it can be fun though).
I don't really like the sans is from deltarune but paps is not theory IMO, cuz it invalidates a lot of Undertale's story, and it doesn't feel like something Toby would think of
Not to mention the snowdin shopkeeper saying that both sans and papyrus "just appeared one day"
I like to think either both sans and papyrus are from deltarune, or neither of them are
Well, all of these theories have a pretty small detail that annihilated them, blood and ketchup are both black in white, it's in the battle menu that we see sans bleed, which means it can only be one thing: determination (and also magic)
there is one other possibility, and that it could be our own blood on the knife (tho it wouldnt make complete since…) as he DOES have a garunteed chance to hit us, with the gravity change spam that while cant kill, does do damage. meaning even if you no hit you still will take damage.
@@glareninja oh, ohhh no, that's the most edgy version ever, also, it's not blood, if it was it would apear as black and white
Because of the pacifist ending, we can speculate that being able to “come back” is only possible for the entity with the most determination, since flowey didn’t come back either.
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The melting for the amalgamations happened quite a while, or at least a day, after they were injected. That can be suspected by the fact that the melting was written in a separate entry
only problem with ketchup theory is that some of the ketchup would be spewing out his mouth aswell
unless he just storin it in his mouth or somen like a chipmunk the whole time and somehow still talking it seems like getting it to be in the mouth would be a way harder task than in his hoodie
1. We don't know whether injected determination melts a monster immediately. Maybe it takes some hours, or some days. After all, the True Lab reports initially reported on the injection subjects as being completely fine. They didn't IMMEDIATELY melt.
2. It is possible that determination only causes immortality when the fusage of mutliple monster souls into one body occurs. After all, Undyne melts AND dies.
3. People have theorized that Sans' "papyrus, do you want anything" is him hallucinating that he's seeing Papyrus in the afterlife (because of just how out-of-it he is).
a fact against ketchup theory is the thing that he bleeds out of his motuh
Think about it… sans filled himself with ketchup bottles
how would an entire ketchup bottle fit inside his mouth and still talk@@H.A.Sproductions
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@@Robin39-z8c he doesnt have to open his mouth to talk
I'm pretty sure the humans can't use magic thingy means that they CAN'T use magic without some sort of magical weapon unlike monsters that can use magic only from their own bodies but in the intro it looks like that dude is welding some kind of weapon idfk
As much as the ketchup theory is sort of logical,despite monster food being converted you could say he strapped it to his chest or something (but than why would it come from his mouth) or you could say he found ketchup from the dump so it’s human food,so it wouldn’t convert instantly (although far fetched)
My gripe with it is that it doesn’t really…fit the theme of the Genoicde route?
I mean it’s supposed to be dark and eerie,serious.
The game literally,from what I recall in the code goes into “serious mode” in Geno.
Sans having this dark moment where he bleeds and than Toby just going “oh yeah it’s funni ketchup to guilt trip lol” seems more comedic and doesn’t fit the theme of the Geno route.
Also,human magic is connected to magical ITEMS,the monster books state that monsters themselves are MADE of magic and humans cannot express themselves with it,but they never said they couldn’t use it themselves.
They pursumably could still use a wand or something to that extent,although it would probably take longer to master hence why they needed their 7 strongest to do it and because it is linked to a item they cannot express their “emotions” through it.
when sans asks papyrus what he wants to get at grillby's hes probably just talking to papyrus' skull maybe its still alive
it clearly turned into dust
I think the last theory makes the most sense, even if the other one are pretty cool, Toby probably didn't think Undertale would get as popular as it did and was just making it for fun, I think it was also only him working on the game so it make sense why he didn't fix up every plot hole
Sans is alive because if you look at the stats, the number of kills has not increased, but the level increases due to *torture* points, not from murders
Let's face it, it was stupid of Toby to have Papyrus not knowing what the sun is in the pacifist ending. Regardless of the blood business, Papyrus and Sans are strongly coded to be from Deltarune. It's yet another plot hole.
deltarune came like a decade after, it most likely wasnt planned in the making of undertale
@@feroniks366true... although toby did say that the game he wanted to make first was deltarune, and undertale was something he made because he knew he could do it relatively quicklyy
He bleeds simply because he feels like it
It's not coincidentally, you only get the Don't forget flavor text if you talk to Clam Girl about Suzy.
Monsters still turn into dust in Deltarune, they follow the same ritual of spreading a monster's dust on objects and burying them. And as you said, the rabbit kid confirms it.
The Ice E person is a larper, he pretends to have blood like how he pretends he's a Warrior and that doctors are wizards.
I don't understand what's confusing about Lancer knowing what blood is at all.
Susie surely bleeds, she could be a special monster or a half human half monster. We don't know.
Determination is gold, not yellow or red. The color used in text is yellow and it's used to highlight things in general.
The anomaly Sans mentions is Flowey, not Frisk.
?? Colors are more important in UT/DR than they ever been in FNAF. The ketchup being the same color as his blood is a huge piece of evidence.
Unexplained things aren't plot holes, plot holes are when things go against an established plot point. None of the things you mentioned are plot holes.
*In conclusion:* it's ketchup.
frisk crossing the barrier without a monster soul is very much a plot hole...
also "half human monster?" please, my man... this is a toby fox game, not someones fanfic oc!!!
@@unluckybean2800 the humans forgor 💀
As another explanation for the Susie thing, some theories suggest that she was raised in a human community, so it’d make sense for her to use human-biology sayings involving blood. Or it could just be a saying, “everybody bleeds” meaning “everybody can get hurt.”
But Deltarune Frisk is the only playable character that cannot use magic. All others (monsters) can do this.
Although. I don’t understand what’s so special about people then. Act? Susie and Ravioli acted in Chapter 2. Absorb power? The entire team increased their strength in the second chapter. The only thing left is the levels of violence and determination
@@leedlelel2373 No it isn't, Flowey had multiple human souls and should've been able to cross the barrier. While it would take 7 human souls of power to break the barrier having the power of 6 would be more then enough to pull someone through as this is more then 2 soul crossing requirement.
My theory is that Toby did it just to fuck with everyone. Just like that back room in the house with the "don't forget" card and broken machine.
Just to see what people come up with.
Sans having an emergency bottle of ketchup in his rib-cage works, in my opinion.
Maybe he had a bottle or two of ketchup under his jacket?
I just found your channel with this video, and honestly I can really appreciate how you explain a lot of evidence but then also ramble on about your feelings and opinions. This was a very fun video to watch.
I feel like if Sans and Papyrus are from Deltarune then it can't be an alternate universe to Undertale, because we didn't see their Undertale counterparts and i doubt that would be kept from us. Not everyone in Deltarune has an Undertale counterpart, but the major players from Undertale are all in Deltarune. Toriel, Asgore, Asriel, Undyne, Alphys, Mettaton, etc etc.
I doubt they have undertale counterparts. most of our actual main characters in deltarune don't have them, I don't think it's much of stretch for them to be unique to deltarunes universe just like Susie and Lancer and Noelle etc and have traveled over. although I admit that makes me realise they probably both do have to be from deltarune if either of them are, and papyrus being from deltarune doesn't really work as well for me.
27:16 *ONE.* The one you're showing on screen. Which is why I assumed Alphys was lying before I entered the wider Undertale fandom.
It's kind of more understandable that deltarune monsters have blood since it seems like they are stronger than those in Undertale and more resilient with determination like Susie is a very strong monster and even stronger than Kris, which shouldn't be the case normally but she is and the magic of these monsters is quite impressive and some can open the dark
27:03 it says that humans can't express themselves with magic. it doesn't say humans can't use magic. human magic does not have the individuality and art of monster magic.
Solid video, and I'd like to add some anecdotes to details that I found challenging:
- The books state that humans don't know the joys of self-expression through magic, not explicitly that they can't use magic altogether.
- It's not clear whether Frisk crossed the barrier in neutral. All that is seen is them at the last room in the game. Some theorize that the reason why we don't see a cutscene of them on the surface like the pacifist ending or why they don't pick up their calls is because they failed to make it through the barrier, and passed or was trapped in the process. Some other hypotheses state that the power of the human souls may have allowed Frisk a single passage outside the barrier. If neither the neutral ending or the books are plot holes, it would make Sans' blood a very large and lonely plot hole.
- Sans being from Deltarune (predicated on the presumption that monsters do have blood) would be strange considering that, if Papyrus was also from DR, he would be the only DR monster with a confirmable lack of blood contrasting Sans' presence of blood. It is plausible that there's variance in the presence of blood in monsters from DR, since I can't fathom how a fire monster like the one in the Hometown diner would ever contain blood.
You did a good job covering the leading theories. It's fun seeing how people continue to develop the story of the game's world almost a decade later.
sans the type of guy to hide 4 ketchup bottles in his jacket so it looks like he is bleeding so he can go off-screen and shake some dust off a nearby pillar then immediately go back to sleep
Sans's illusion magic comes in a multitude of instances. First is when he cloaks his entire body to make it black, which can possibly be extended to making his pupils invisible. Another possible instance of illusion magic is how the Grillby's restaurant appears to go completely still when he talks to Frisk about Papyrus and "the flower." That's about it
He froze time
@@TheSkyGuy77 if sans could freeze time, he would've done it in the fight
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He _did_
Remember the end of the fight? When he makes it permanently his turn?
Or all the cut-to-black moments?
That's some time/space shenanigans
The Grillby example isn’t illusion powers, he is literally stopping time. Which he shows in other parts too, like in his fight. So he had teleporting, time freeze powers, gravity manipulation, Karma, etc.
The former could be illusion powers. Maybe. But the latter isn’t, but is instead something else imo.
The part in Grillby's is most likely just for dramatic effect imo
Sans discourse have been going hot for nine years, like, this lazy bone can fit so many plot holes in him. Honestly I think Toby is just trying to figure it out himself, lmao.
I mean, sans clearly has a connection to gaster (very clearly defined character) because of the gaster blaster (mainly) but the chronology of gaster being a royal scientist doesn’t match with the supposed age(?) of sans or what we know of him since “arriving” to snowdin.
Sans BLEEDS?!?! while papyrus doesn’t, we don’t know what papyrus special attack is (the reveal would be huge and could potentially reveal many things about the lore), papyrus himself doesn’t seem to know a whole lot about sans because “sans never tells anyone anything!”, sans can manipulate space and time(???) and nobody seems to question it, it is just like that (although it is more like nobody can explain it, so we just gave up).
A better question would be WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT SANS AND PAPYRUS?!?! my response would be “two skeleton brothers that reside in snowdin, insert papyrus lore, insert sans lore” but people are even questioning if sans is actually a skeleton (very justifiably so, but still).
if sans is from deltarune and came with papyrus, then why doesnt papyrus bleed when he dies?
considering that sans bleeds why doesnt papyrus?
i think his blood is just not visible
Where did Sans come from before Deltarune and who says Papyrus is his exact brother not another AU one?
What would Sans have needed to witness continually to be willing to give up and if not for Toriel would've immediately killed the first human he saw? It seems Sans may have not just observed timelines ending from a distance but tried to stop them a few times eventually giving up.
I know the true answer… it’s ketchup theory that was once a plot hole
While its not directly confirmed that monsters have blood in Deltarune, it does seem to be heavily implied that monsters are physically more similar to humans in Deltarune than in Undertale.
In Undertale the main difference between humans and monsters is that monsters are made mostly of magic while humans are made mostly of physical matter. This leads to humans being able to hold more determination than monsters. The existence of special monster food that gets absorbed instead of digested like human food. Monsters turning to dust when killed. Etc.
In Deltarune none of these things come up. Magic only exist in the dark world, meaning monsters cant be made from it. All Lightners are said to be capable of having determination. There is seemingly no difference between between human and monster food. And while we dont know wether or not monsters turn to dust, it hasnt been confirmed that they do either. But with Rudy and Berdly we may get an answer to that soon.
Meaning they are also made of mostly physical matter in Deltarune, which would/could include blood.
To me asking if monsters bleed in Deltarune would be like asking if they poop. They didnt in Undertale but the reason why they didnt doesnt exist in Deltarune so while it hasnt been confirmed, it can be very much assumed until proven otherwise.
In my eyes, this makes the Sans is from Deltarune theory the most likely explanation. Not to mention all of the ties Sans has to Gaster and Gaster has to Deltarune.
@duckenjoyer619and interestingly enough, sans' ketchup bottle is the same shade of red as the "blood" he bleeds at the end of his fight. so it's possible what he is bleeding is just ketchup.
27:06 I think that the spells and monster magic are different things just like LOVE and love the difference between monsters terms and human terms I think Monsters magic will be like this ( Monsters Ability of Good Intense Cruilty) like LOVE ( Level Of ViolencE ) just something like that Don't take the magic term that I said seriously it's an example
I think there's a much simpler answer than we're all making it out to be.
Monsters could just have their own type of magic blood. We only see Sans bleed for emphasis' sake.
I mean, we see several monsters sweat & cry. Why would blood be an exception?
I like to imagine that Toby specifically made Sans drink ketchup in the pacifist run(showing us that he does that often)
so he bleeds ketchup at the end of the genocide run
to bring us guilt
one of Toby's main reasons for making undertale was to make players feel bad for killing after all
In regards to the "illusion magic" theory, Sans kinda does warp time and space. He'll go in the opposite direction and end up in the room that you're headed. He also knows some shortcuts that don't exist.
So, maybe not illusion as it is alteration but I think it could be some food for thought.
4:05 gay mechanics...
Game but ok
Yellow is just a way of highlighting, many other texts and dialogues use it (especially the frogs). Determination is actually associated with the color red during the game, but this does not apply to the color of the soul because other humans who have different soul colors also had determination and the power to save the game. This is revealed in one of Toriel's first calls in which she strangely says that she already knows the other humans without ever having seen them before, indicating that the humans used save-points.
And besides, although we actually hear the sound of a monster dying and we increase in level (love), Sans' death is not counted, as if his probable death didn't really matter in the game. And this really makes me think that he doesn't count as one of the deaths because he isn't from the world of Undertale and comes from Deltarune.
Furthermore, I believe that the blood is really ketchup, as he always carries it on his coat, he even drinks it on our date at Grillby's and even offers us to put it on our food (although he spills too much and we can't really eat it).
toby for the love of god release chapter 3 they're talking about sans bleeding again
The only problem i have with ketchup theory is how it comes out of his mouth after
15:59 very very interesting
To me something I always interpreted Sans' flicking between different bullet patterns as a way to show that this battle is going on way longer than it actually does in the fight.
The issue with the bone marrow theory is Papyrus doesn't bleed.
Thinking about it
Maybe "Toby thinks it's dramatic" isn't far off
Maybe it's something more powerful
It's a metaphor of some kind?
Like how in Puss in Boots 2, Puss bleeds in a kid's movie. Sans is the only monster to bleed; whether it's possible for a monster to do so or not, we're bound to interpret the blood more powerfully as guilt than dust. Because dust, whilst still guilt-inducing, would be more cathartic and like "I've done it" rather than "what have I done?"
The sudden inclusion of blood humanises the characters in a similar way to their character arcs. However, whilst the character arcs in general are to make you form bonds with the monsters, their positive arcs during Genocide use those human-to-monster bonds to continuously add more and more powerful negative emotions throughout the run.
It could be a stretch, but given Undertale is more of a eudaimonic game in my experience; where after Pacifist I just could NOT bring myself to kill anyone, I think some kind of guilt-inducing metaphor or underlying meaning is part of what Toby intended.
I'm not entirely sure how to word that better, sorry.
EDIT: Hey sorry, I'm back
Maybe the blood is both a metaphor on guilt and of murder. As murder is essentially needless bloodshed. As well as this, the inclusion - and only inclusion - of monster blood is a shock tactic similar to the one in Puss in Boots 2 to catch the player off-guard.
Mettaton, singing: “And then you’ll die A LOT.”
“A lot”, being the key word.
Coincidence?
eh, maybe.
I haven't actually finished the vid, but I just want to say I'm pretty sure monsters in detarune don't bleed but darkners do. Lancer talking about squishing then into blood could be attributed to him not knowing monster didn't have blood, as well as Ralsei not correcting him, Susie saying that everybody bleeds was just intimidation, and your blood boiling is probably just a common saying among both species because English is weird
Determination is the ONLY thing that can be in colour during fights (so all colours except black and white maybe ...) are all (at least in fights) determination :)
Tories’s eyes, mettatons rating.Toby Fox isn’t that good that he thinks about which colors he uses in a battle 😂
My belief on why sans bleeds It's because you got so mad That you just couldn't take it any more and just decided KILL HIM Because your hatred for that skeleton You probably died at least 20 times in your first sans fight right?
The thing with ketchup theory and it not converting to energy is a bit weird though. Sure Sans is a monster, but he's also a *skeleton monster.* Where would the ketchup (or any food really) go to be converted into energy?
He's an undead monster, which excluding the ghosts, are the only ones in the entire Underground. Additionally, even Napstablook presumably doesn't eat regular monster food, since he has ghost food in his fridge, implying he also wouldn't be able to convert regular food into energy. Thus, Sans' ketchup just kinda... Sits there in his jacket.
I don't recall where it was shown exactly, but there was a sprite of Sans drinking some sort of milkshake or other while laying on a chair, and the liquid did end up seeping out from underneath him too.
I know the sprite your talking about, but I think that was just for sillies, I think when it says it immediately gets converted to energy, the minute it touches their teeth it basically absorbs into the body, or bones in this case
9:05 the tell of a good intellectual narrative writer isn't how little they retcon but how well they fit loose ends into the current story.
Ketchup theory has to be false because of one flaw, it implies sans kept ketchup in his mouth the entire fight. that’s impossible because monster food instantly converts into energy the moment it enters the body. He bleeds out of his mouth like his non-existent lungs got slashed, or rather his rib cage was broken.
I like how there is literally a failed attempt at creating a time machine in snowdin made by sans
Sans likes ketchup so he keeps a bottle on him at all times when you cut him it leaks ketchup best theory trust
What if his body rejected the determination? That would explain why he isn’t very determined, and why flowey and undyne melt but sans doesn’t
The DT might just be chillin in his bones not being absorbed