Let the Maintenance Begin! Motor Oil and Exhaust
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- Let the Maintenance Begin! Motor Oil and Exhaust. How to properly maintain your farm tractor. Should you fill a spin-on filter with oil before installing? #farmallfanatic #farmall #redpower
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This was my father’s tractor. And that hilly farm I grew up on in that farmhouse. Pretty cool to see it on TH-cam. I farmed quite some time with all international not far from where you picked this tractor up.
I'm stoked to own it... Any time you want to come drive it, let me know 👍
Thank you
Time for a rebuild. It’s going to be the o-rings on the cylinder liners leaking coolant into the oil. Pull the oil pan and pressurize the coolant and you will see for sure where it’s coming from.
I thought that was wet sleeves so it could be a bad O ring.
I’ve been a fan of those flat top fenders ever since a neighbor got his new 460 around 1960. 👍
Pete has his favorite pair of pliers, Fanatic has his favorite wrench. I like the looks of that tractor.
🤣 pretty much
Condensation is all that little water is.
I hope you're right . I was always told that the German diesels were expensive to overhaul.
That’s how ya do it, 1 piece at a time Johnny 😎well at least ya don’t have to smuggle any parts in your lunchbox🤣if ya know, ya know. Keep em comin FF. Boom💥🇺🇸💥
Lol
Looking forward to seeing more. Take care and have a blessed weekend.
Thank you.. you as well
We call them adjustable spanners here in the UK. Great video. All the best 🇬🇧.
As an 06, 56, and 66 guy...Mr. Fanatic...let her speak with a chrome stack. 😬 Thank you for your videos! Love them.
I might keep an extra one on the side... But the problem is I think they change color when you get them hot
That is true for some, but not if they’re well made and kept clean. I’ve had one on my 400 and it’s not discolored at all. Many of the diesels have them and I’ve rarely seen one that is discolored.
Good choice on the pump service. Area diesel in Carlinville has always been a great company!!! Nice to see you using a shop local to me!!!
I like how you are methodical and move one after you've finished the first project! Good luck with everything my friend!
Thanks Mark
I am impressed with the sheet metal on the 826 , straight straight straight . 👍🇺🇸
Very 👍
Even on a horozontal its surprising how much oil you can soak into it without wasting any on fitting...
I have a new to me, Nuffield 4dm about 70yrs old, i dropped the sump and found 1/2" of sludge in the botumn & oil pickup gauze about half blocked, oil still clean after 1/2 hr warmup...I used a quart of diesel in the sump before dump about 15mins run time...
One benefit of a manual stop is you can run the engine on non start, until oil pressure is achieved, following oil change...
Great video as usual. Hope your health is doing well!
I'm hanging in there so far...Thank you
I H POWER RULES Looks like a real nice tractor and good luck with it Glad to see you found one Just wanted to let you and your viewers know there is a real nice I H auction coming up Thursday March 21 in PHILLIPSBURG N J held by HESS Auctions Really nice to see such a well taken care line of equipment Its a retirement sale so lets all wish him well and lets hope for a great day Keep the great videos coming Hope to see you there !!!!!
I will check it out
Just keeps getting better. Serious tractor ☑️❗️👍🍻💪💯🚨🚀💥🚜🔥
No more fillers? 😪
@@FarmallFanatic and you use an actual bucket 😂
That is a sweet tractor. I also run t4 and lucas good stuff 🫡
I would check the coolant level and see if it uses any just to be sure. I'm sure you already thought of that. Super nice tractor! Hopefully someday I hope I can find one... when I have the money too, lol.
Yeah i'm also going to change the radiator cap
Don't forget that it could be block corrosion where the sleeve is inserted or the gaskets themselves. I would add a coolant filter if you don't have one . The addative will help with aeration bubles next to the sleeve
Gotta love old tractors :)
I sure do
My 706 is like yours now on exaust a nice turbo is my preferred option for exhaust with a straight pipe
Some t hing to check before you go to far thinking it a head gasket. You have an oil cooler on that. CHeck that for leaking antifreeze
Agree
@@FarmallFanatic I hope you get lucky on the leak source. Usually it's cavitation in the sleeves. Definitely add a water filter when you get the chance.
Area diesel do alot of good work for alot of youtubers definetly wanna send it to them
I am going to
Like the round black muffler.
Usually if you pull it all the way out and hold it it will die. If you pull out just a little it will raise the throttle. Also my grandpa never called it a crescent wrench he would call it a Fits all, great videos keep it up
,,, OneLoneleyFarmer Has yet another name for that style of wrench 😂
In Australia we call it an AFS
Lol
Another way to tell if you have head gasket leaks is to get a reading of the radiator and see if there is a co reading it needs to be took to a shop that has a co meter but its the best way to tell for sure also pressure test cooling system may tell something
Definitely
Excellent video Gino :) yes on 15w40 Rottellia Engine oil good stuff my dad used on all 3 international tractors plus combine to even oil filter put ! Even oil filter on gas motor of combine was cartridge like Farmall H tractor were bolt he squirt can 4 pump in center bolt before put bolt on even small loader Desiel fuel motor tractor ! Only one year of 1992 had hard time getting Oil filter from International dealership so use FRAM orange on International 624 , 724 used a FRAM 8A was short one and 13 A big ones ! But dealership was so nice credits for 6 oil filters free to his business account payments for free ! Nice business deal with and serving public that dealer company ! Only tractor was 1950 Cockshutt 40 got 10w30 engine oil all year around because was gas motor! Combine gas motor too also! Yes think new muffler with rain cap be wise buy Gino and not sure International make chrome on like black 826 had anymore and you might now !
If I remember right the o-rings at the bottom of the sleeves are pretty easy to mess up while installing on these. I have a friend who re did his 756 and ran it a day and had to take it all back apart because of that o ring.
Yeah you definitely want to have a book in front of you
Croissant is french, for left handed nut rounder/hammer/attitude adjuster, etc.
I use mine all the time!
Me too
Hello Gino think id pull the oil pan check the bearings on the crank. Thats not good antifreeze in the oil. Enjoyed your video have a great day.
It was very little but it was there
A straight chrome pipe sure would sound sweet on that tractor.
It could happen
We owned two 826's not at the same time, both sold and gone. Gear and hydro. 2T batteries and the muffler clamps does not thread on. The shut off you pull out in a fast manner. Ours did not shut off with throttle. It will Rev up if you pull slow like in your video. 358 German great motor! Just cold blooded.
Try radiator seal. Warm engine add to radiator and run for several hours. It worked on our hydro.
I just ordered an exhaust pipe and that should give me a couple inches of extension to keep the bottom of the muffler off the hood
Hey FF,,,little worrisome about the anti freeze, but not the end of the world. Yes,,chrome will go blue from the heat of working the engine, but ok if its a trailer queen. The pipes on my Pete blued at the up turn elbows.
one or two vehicles i had i could get a short or long filter for, i always went with the longer one.
Next change I will and that could actually happen sooner than later
That little bit of water irks me! But this beast is a beauty!
Oil filters should always be filled if possible. Oil bypasses the filter until it’s at least 85 degrees so it’s getting unfiltered oil until then. Then on oil controversy, she’ll rotella is good oil but it’s designed for over the road trucks witch run at full load on average 30% of the time where as case engine oil is rated for engines that are loaded 90% of the time like tractor engines as a general rule. Depending upon how you use it.
She may need a few things here and there but that tractor is worth it. I'm amazed at how nice a condition it is. If every thing was perfect it would have been twice the money.
You got that right... Plus I couldn't make videos tinkering
my personal favorite diesel tractor oil is Delo 400 15/40.
Why
When you get your pump rebuilt i would get the shop to set it 10 percent over factory and you will have a good strong tractor and it will never hurt it.
Yea but I wonder about fuel efficiency
That wrench we call a metric adjustable lol. Dave D.
Lol
I use the same oil and it works good. I also pre-fill my filters. I never thought it was an question if you should or not then I saw a test that was performed and they proved it was a benefit to pre-fill the filter. Apparently common sense is not that common.
It's common sense with scientific backing
Awesome video Farmall fanatic and I’m looking for a International 856.
There's a nice one coming up in an auction
@@FarmallFanatic that sounds nice but I live in Virginia.
“ kirby bucket “ 🤣😂🇺🇸
Ahahahahahahaha
If you would pray for the area in Ohio that was hit with tornadoes. The Indian Lake community got hit hard. 3 people were killed and most buildings leveled. State Troopers were all over the place this morning. So many people were trying to help they started turning them away.
Prayers sent to Ohio where the tornadoes hit...
I definitely will.I did not hear about that
EF3 leveled a smaller tight nit community. Right on a small lake. Tourism supports the community.@@FarmallFanatic
I'm not sure if you are ready. But give us a little tease with some weights on the front. A nice IH set would look good.
I have to move the front end in first lol
I forgot that you had to do work the front end. Do you already have a set, or are we auction bound. I would also like to thank you for putting in the miles for auctions and the previews.
Did I miss the steering arm? I saw it was on but I'm nosy enough to wonder if it just bolted right on. Would you need to check and adjust the toe in? We never had power steering other than the 'Make Out Knob'.
Well this entire front end needs moved in
Gotta update what needs updating and we know you will get it fixed right.
we ran black straight pipes on our 856 and 756
I'm sure
I wouldn’t run a straight pipe on an normal aspirated engine. A turbo will lower the noise but with no turbo it’s going to be loud. The OEM muffler on 826 clamps on with a u-bolt style clamp. I’ve never seen a screw on as you are talking about.
The screw on ones were on the antique farmall tractors, this exhaust pipe will sit right down and clamp on...Then the muffler will go on to the exhaust pipe... Not trying to rub my hood with the bottom of the muffler if you know what I mean
@@FarmallFanatic new oval muffler "should" sit higher off the hood than that current one. If you switch over to a pipe that protrudes above the hood, you'll get exhaust streaks on the hood eventually.
Be VERY careful of what you use for engine parts. We learned that the hard way with our 4366. It sat for 15 years before we bought it. It put the crop in and in the summer antifreeze leaked in the oil. The engine oil cooler was not the problem. So we were going to do rings and bearings and liner seals. Price was $1400, but a rebuild kit was $1700. So we rebuilt the engine - new sleeves and pistons. 23 hours later the #6 rod flew through the block with the wrist pin indicating a piston failure. Parts were from Agkits. There are no threads on the exhaust elbow. The muffler just slides over the end. If you pull the white side panel you can get to it, and they usually use a muffler clamp. Filling the filter isn't a bad idea, but isn't required. On the 66 series and later, the filters are down and the oil drains out of them when they are shut down. Same is true on the old tractors and pretty much anything with a cartridge filter. What you have to really worry about on 358s and 310s is the oil pump losing its prime. Right ahead of the oil filter is the oil pump and being a fair ways above the oil pan, losing their prime can be a real problem.
Experiments show differences on a pre-fill vs not at start up.
If you need an overhaul kit I would definitely talk to Jessie at Restoration Tractor sales in Lancaster PA and ask his opinion on what brand is better quality. Lots of companies are the same junk source for parts ....reliance is one of them
I agree with you
You definitely should take the trip to Lancaster sometime to just see his inventory.... Although usually it's sold just about as fast as it comes in. My nephew bought a 450 from him. We have bought around 5 tractors from him in the last 8 to 10 years
So i was gonna say on the last auction video that you should but a nice semi mount ih plow with the trip molboards and you can go wrong
I'd like a nice 710
That little lever (kill switch) is probably just a High idle switch probably for warming the tractor up in the winter and for running stationary, PTO implements. Not for sure. Just a guess beautiful tractor though.
Yeah that's what it is
My favorite thing is guys talk about oil if your running a engine from old on one type of oil and you change type it will cause problems but half the old guys ran what was cheap or what they could get quickly and I know of a farmer running Ford's and never changed oil in there life and have 10000 hrs on them just add. I run kings oil made in Hagerstown md
Never changed oil in their life and have 10000 hours on them. I’ll make you a friendly wager of 1 million dollars that’s not true.
@@TreverDuncan what don't you understand they never change oil
I've used a ford 4000 3cyl diesel that had close to 20,000 hours, but it had regular oil changes. Dad bought it from the second owner, and the first owner is still alive, so we know the tractors history well.
I used it a lot, discing and mowing orchards and running a tree hedger, it's compression was so low it was hard to start and it didn't have much power and it smoked like a steam locomotive... since been rebuilt and is better than ever.
I don't think it would have seen even 4000 hours without regular oil changes, unless it was only ever idled around all day and only used in dust free sterile environments.
Running ten thousand hours without changing the oil and filter is flat out tractor abuse
As it should have had regular oil changes
My dad used to call those wrenches Knuck busters ,as they can cause damage to the knuckes when they slip
I try not to let that happen but yes
Possibly the oil cooler
Yep
That could just be condensation like others have said. Did it look like antifreeze? My 674 sat for years in the barn and the base was full with antifreeze. I changed the oil and have not seen any since and that was 6 years ago. Nothing every goes away but it may be just a really small weep. My 886 did not have a water filter and due to cavitation it ate a hole though the o-ring groove in the cylinder so I had to rebuild the engine. I did the work myself and by the time I had it all done I think I had $3,000 in the engine (in-frame kit).
The majority of it was clear liquid but then there was a tint of green on my hand
Green is not good but again it could be a liner o-ring leak which could be very small plus condensation. I would check the Antifreeze concentration and level to see if its acceptable. If it sets for a few weeks you can try cracking the plug again like you did and see if you get any more coolant. If you do and want to dig deeper then drain the oil and pull the pan. In my case I did that and could see antifreeze dripping from the liner. @@FarmallFanatic
I see it has the remotes under the platform for front mounted equipment.
Yep
I tried that oil in my farm pro 2420 and could not get good oil pressure and went to 30 weight diesel oil and now have fine pressure so for my IH 454 I run the 30 weight in that to but good video
You're actually the second person to tell me that hmm 🤔
Crescent wrench aka Swedish Nut Lathe
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Run it for a while, that maybe just condensation. I think it sat for some time, Keep an eye on the coolant level, you're just getting to know this tractor. Sure sounds like it runs tip-top.
Agree
If you are going to actually work those IH diesel motors you should be running straight 30 weight oil. For medium/light duty 15-40 is ok
It takes me a while to settle in on a tractor and figure out what it likes. I could actually end up going straight thirty
Coolant pressured leak down test? There are a few things it could be before a head gasket. I wouldn’t keep using it with antifreeze contaminating the oil. I have seen pin holes in the liners but this is very rare.
Other things crossed my mind, but i'm not trying to make an hour and a half video
Muffler has a longer inlet pipe and clamps down at the manifold 👍
I hope so
@@FarmallFanatic The gas burners are like your 756
@kellyyokley8765 makes sense...I just looked at my 7
I assume that lever is a cold start advance. Also on the oil…. You technically should only fill the oil filter through the dirty side which is the outer set of holes. I also feel the oil is cleanest coming out of a container and it is ok to dump it in the clean side. Fuel filters are another story. If you pre fill your fuel filter on the clean side out of the rusty old overhead tank that great grandpa bought then you’re wasting your money changing the filter.
You are correct
I have a lot of respect for you, however, adjustable wrench? Really? However, you are absolutely correct on the oil filters and better filtration. The wrench thing is something I grew up with mainly because the farm I grew up on had terrible adjustable wrenches!!
Did it work? That's all that matters at the end of the day
muffler just slips on the manifold then just put a clamp on it, our 826 was the same way with the kill handle. Had to pull it out fast to kill otherwise it would just rev up
I actually figured out the deal with the exhaust on these tractors...I'll do an update video
All of my 56 and 66 series tractors the muffler just slides over that piece of the manifold and is clamped on. The only one I have that has a screw in piece of pipe in the manifold is my H.
I'll see how the new muffler fits... On my 756, it sits much higher and well off the hood
Hopefully it's just condensation in the oil. I ran an International a few years ago and had water show up in the oil.
A chemical test of the radiator water didn't indicate a blown headgasket so we dropped the sump and pressurized the cooling system, to find a pin hole in one of the liners.........
At that point you might as well overhaul the engine
Which I did, and kept it for a couple more years
Bring that thing to Edinboro and we'll hook up some 4 or 5 bottom plows to work it.
Where at?
Wait are you the wrestler
@@FarmallFanaticI last wrestled in 1991.
@@FarmallFanaticGeneral Mclane class of 91
The cable knob it has 3 positions. All the way in is normal run position. Partially pulled out is like a cold start that advances the injector pump and makes it start better. All the way out kills the tractor.
This one is out of adjustment clearly
The manifold is correct for 826. The muffler slides over and is clamped to it.
I have to have something that's going to make the muffler sit higher. Not only to keep the exhaust out of my face, but to make sure it doesn't rub on the hood.
How long has that track been sitting outside before you had it?
Prior to the previous owner, it sat out for 3 or four months
Head gasket or oil cooler?
Or O-Ring
I think that's a sharp tractor. Everything needs a little work done to it to get it ready for the season. I don't know why you look so familiar. You from Ohio or New York area? Or did you have another channel? I'm from NE Ohio but lived in New York for a couple of years. Can't wait to see you use this one. There's nothing like hearing a diesel engine lug down and pull.
Pennsylvania....had this channel 6 years
Is the oil cooler on these suspect for leaking water into the oil like the 66 and 86 series? I see it's a different style?
It could be, there wasn't that much. I will tell you that
Could save you cost of a rebuild. I would I would still check a few bearings for wear even if the cooler is the problem.
@@brucebasinger515 Definitely... None of the repairs that could be on the table scare me
That wrench is what they call an adjustable metric wrench
I didn't want to offend the Canadians...😆
If I remember correctly, a clamp is used just above the manifold extension.
It is
That brown is water in the oil. Definitely.
I worked on a farm as a younger man. We used Vavoline straight 30 in every tractor from 2 cylinder deeres to the 806 and 1206 Farmalls
I've heard of guys doing that with great success
Exhaust pipe will go over that with a clamp to help hold it on
I just want to make sure the muffler isn't rubbing on the hood
New muffler will be long enought that it won't hit the hood. Just set it on and clamp it.
Ok
Condensation from sitting n the barn in it’s been very damp lately oil didn’t look milky colored
That's probably true
Did you get battery covers for her?
Yep
@@FarmallFanatic Nice!!
Rotella 15 40
Run wix filters !!
I do when I can
I’m in the same camp as you. Once your in there just do it right and know what you have. Do oil the same too. She’s gonna be sweet. 🍻 🇺🇸
As long as I have the funds, i'm going to fix it right
I personally believe it sat outside in a rain storm and got water down the pipe the oil was not murky grey from antifreeze, runner , work for 4 hour problem solved.
That's completely possible
The buildings are tall😂😂
I mean for real
Oil cooler could be the culprit for water in oil.
Possible
That look like a very small amount of coolant in the oil I wonder if some boiler sealer would work on that before it gets any worse
I'm checking all avenues
If you run it like your other tractor much like I was taught to you won't see any difference but you will have that little extra power if you need it
Yeah that makes sense
Does the idle need to be set to a higher idle?
Seems to me it shouldn't stop with the throttle
German diesels manifolds don't have a pipe, what you have there is the way it's designed
Got to buy a muffler with the extra long pipe in the bottom
The 706 German had a round muffler, the 826 German had an oval muffler
Well I just ordered a pipe that will clamp on and then I will have about a three or four inch extension so that the bottom of my muffler doesn't rub the hood
Yeah, I know.I just don't like the looks of the oval muffler
quite possible be o rings on bottom of wet sleeve
Yea
I can’t believe that you would use a metric adjustable wrench on the oil drain plug lol
🤣
Wouldn't it be something... If you found a speck of gold paint under that red paint job??
That's gonna be an upcoming video
You should go ahead and put a new exhaust manifold on it also and steering wheel.
I have the steering wheel
Not for nothing but before you pull the head off I’d take a look at your engine oil cooler first just above your filter I have a 460 diesel with a very similar cooler and that could leak antifreeze into your engine oil. I have to imagine if you had a bad head gasket you would have some sign on the side of the block where the head mounts.
You could be right
I would go back and talk to the guy on the moisture issue in the oil. Looks like he may have put it to you.
They been using it, so its not from setting. Couris what he would have to say.
Its weird you don't see the milk film at the top of the dip stick.
No actually they have not been using it. He said it sat most of last year
I don't see the milk film at the top of the dipstick because there was very, very little moisture in it
O ring on a sleeve