This took just over 3 months to make, hope you enjoy it :) 🐫 discord.gg/XDGWm72 🐫 twitter.com/Camelworks 🐫 instagram.com/camelworks_official/ 🐫 www.twitch.tv/camelworks 🐫 facebook.com/camelworks/ 🐫 th-cam.com/users/camelworks 🐫 www.patreon.com/Camelworks Elder Scrolls Detective - goo.gl/ah5OBI Fallout Detective - goo.gl/gsswA4 Time stamps: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:03:48 - College Of Winterhold 00:04:11 - Psijic Monk Nerien 00:05:02 - Eye Of Magnus 00:05:33 - Psijic Monk Nerien 00:09:45 - Brelyna Maryon About The Augur 00:10:08 - Onmund On The Augur 00:10:24 - J'zargo On The Augur 00:10:37 - Ancano On The Augur 00:10:54 - Arniel Gane On The Augur 00:11:15 - Enthir On The Augur 00:11:33 - Nirya Maryon On The Augur 00:11:52 - Faralda On The Augur 00:12:04 - Arch Mage Savos Aren On The Augur 00:12:30 - Colette Marence On The Augur 00:13:06 - Mirabelle Ervine On The Augur 00:13:39 - Tolfdir On The Augur 00:15:17 - Midden 00:16:00 - Midden Dark 00:16:12 - Talking To The Augur 00:20:10 - Restoration Ritual 00:23:59 - What We Know About The Augur 00:24:48 - Augur Before The Accident 00:24:55 - Reachmen Totems In The Midden 00:26:38 - What Does "The Augur Of Dunlain" Mean 00:26:47 - What Is An Augur 00:27:56 - Augur Is A Reachmen Rank 00:28:34 - Legend Of Red Eagle 00:30:21 - Where Is Dunlain? 00:31:22 - Wrothgar & Western Reach 00:31:51 - Reachmen Are Bretons 00:32:26 - Augur Is Breton 00:33:07 - Augur Is A Reachman 00:33:42 - Augur's Powers 00:35:02 - Augur Uses Old Magics 00:35:42 - Reachmen Culture 00:35:56 - Reachmen Magics 00:37:04 - Defining Unknown Magics 00:37:33 - Delving Into Primal Magics At The College 00:38:41 - What Do We Know About Reach Magic? 00:38:54 - Where Do Reachmen Get Their Powers? 00:39:15 - Reachmen Sacrificial Rituals 00:40:12 - Hagravens Exchanging Powers 00:40:39 - Matriarchal Hagravens 00:41:29 - Becoming A Hagraven 00:41:42 - Hagraven Bodies Imbued With Power 00:41:53 - Hagraven Parts In Alchemy 00:42:44 - Reachmen Religion 00:42:50 - Old Gods 00:43:03 - Great Spirits, Daedric Princes 00:44:36 - Which Daedra Do The Reachmen Worship 00:45:11 - Crow's Spell Of Binding 00:45:46 - Hircine 00:47:04 - Lycanthropes 00:47:55 - Hagraven Abilities 00:49:38 - Creating A Briarheart 00:52:27 - Hagravens Having Children 00:52:45 - A Life Barbaric & Brutal 00:54:11 - Hagraven's Son 00:55:05 - The Blessed Crucible 00:55:14 - Aleris The Shroud 00:55:44 - Crow Bringer 00:57:23 - Hagraven Mother 00:58:11 - Augur Is A Hagraven Prince 00:59:04 - Hagravens Can Revive Dead People 01:01:48 - Augur Of Dunlain's Human Character 01:05:27 - What The Augur Looks Like In Game 01:06:03 - Augur's Roots 01:08:10 - What Happened To The Augur 01:09:39 - Accident Or Intentional 01:11:47 - Magical Accidents 01:15:13 - Great Collapse Of Winterhold 01:16:24 - Eruption Of Red Mountain 01:17:18 - Storm Erosion 01:21:51 - Tension Between The College & Winterhold 01:22:59 - Kraldar 01:25:26 - Jarl Korir 01:28:56 - How Old Is The Augur? 01:29:47 - Tolfdir Faking 01:31:39 - Tolfdir's Sorrow 01:33:38 - Tolfdir Voice Change 01:34:57 - Altering Life Span 01:38:03 - College Is Hiding The Truth 01:41:40 - Augur Saved The College With A Ward 01:42:37 - There Are No Wards 01:47:06 - Shalidor Building Winterhold 01:47:56 - Magical Powers Under Winterhold 01:48:18 - Pocket Guide To The Empire 01:49:05 - Blackreach 01:50:27 - Augur's Disconnection 01:52:29 - Shalidor's Fortress Of Ice 01:54:35 - Is The Fortress Of Ice & Saarthal The Same Place? 01:56:19 - Shalidor Used The Eye Of Magnus 01:57:34 - Shalidor's Insights 01:58:01 - Septimus Signus 02:00:14 - Missing Pages Translated 02:02:53 - Hermaeus Mora's Oghma Infinium 02:04:01 - Did The Augur Use Oghma Infinium 02:04:54 - Augur Caused The Great Collapse On Purpose 02:06:03 - Weather Magic Storm Summoning 02:07:34 - Ritual Side Effect 02:08:07 - Harrow Storms 02:09:00 - Awakening The Dark Heart Of Skyrim 02:13:12 - Soul Energy Harvesting 02:14:20 - Waiting For The Eye Of Magnus 02:16:43 - Augur Helped Ancano Unlock The Eye 02:19:08 - Augur Absorbing The Eye Of Magnus 02:20:05 - Psijic Order Helping The Augur 02:20:34 - Psijic Inaction Makes No sense 02:24:36 - Psijic Worked With An Augur Before 02:26:00 - Old Magic To Contact Psijic Order 02:27:36 - Making Sense Of Nonsense 02:29:06 - What Is The Augur Of Dunlain 02:30:05 - Ideal Masters 02:30:47 - Demi-Prince Fa-Nuit-Hen On Achieving Immortality 02:34:05 - Immortality Within The Elder Scrolls 02:36:48 - Velehk Sain Binding Ritual 02:40:12 - An Undefinable Entity 02:41:10 - Augur Of The Obscure 02:44:32 - Six Walking Ways 02:45:05 - 36 Lessons Of Vivec 02:46:45 - Prolix Tower 02:47:26 - Psijic Endeavor 02:47:54 - Numidium 02:48:23 - Enantiomorph, Mantling 02:49:27 - CHIM 02:49:50 - Scarab That Transforms Into The New Man, Amaranth, Godhead 02:50:40 - Is The Augur A God? 02:52:20 - TES Legends: College Of Winterhold Card 02:52:48 - AE GHARTOK PADHOME CHIM AE ALTADOON 02:55:07 - Translating Ehlnofex 02:57:52 - Outro
@@April84012 Multiple groups of bandits that has achieved Chime by not being able to burn to death despite having no such resistances and being burned for 3 minutes straight to reach half the health bar. - Yip. Tougher times indeed for Saarthal alone. ;D
There’s a strong possibility that the aggregate time for the research, scripting, reading, and editing for this video actually took longer than the entire winterhold questline took Bethesda to make
I just found this out. If you summon the Spectral Assassin aka Lucien Lachance and take him to the city of Winterhold he will say "Do you feel it? Magic. Deep and ancient. It resonates from the College, like the beating of a heart." Furthering the Dark Heart theory.
watching this video today for the second time, didn't think there could've been more info. How silly of me, i should've know. It's Camel we're talking about. Also, i can't take this video as nothing other than facts. It's not just theory, it all makes perfect sense. We should've had a developer analysing this and giving you sir, some kind of award. You mastered this analysis in the most perfect way.
Maybe the auger was stuck at the college and after having the eye opened he went in and had the db close it then the psijic order came thru picked him up and left.
“Have you heard the story of the Augur of Dunlain? It’s not a tale the Archmage would tell you. He was so powerful in the ways of restoration magic he could even save the ones he loved, from death.”
@@Kieranhc whichever prince you get the ebony blade from is a dresser, it just needs something that can act as an event trigger that the player can activate
@@monsterpieeater there should be an actual character model for it in a hidden cell because only people can talk. It’s the same for the narrator in new Vegas and hermaious mora and a few other characters you meet that don’t have a physical body that you see
The bigger mystery is Colette talking like the augur is just a myth, when you reach level 90 in restoration she talks about him like she’s known him forever
wel the auger is not a beeing you just talk about with everyone,maybe ones she is familiar with you or you are experienced enuf she feels like she can talk about him
She still doesn’t sell you the master level spell she’s supposed to though. It’s never available in her inventory for sale whenever I’ve played through that quest. Even when all the other masters have reset & have copies of master level spells available again, she never does
@@TH-camcanfuckagoat cause she is not a master level trainer. she is only expert level. danica purespring in the whiterun tempel is the master trainer. there aren't really more than 1 master per skill in skyrim. some have 2 or even 3 but only added with a dlc. the basegame had 1 master per skill.
The college isnt that disappointing. Most people just watch youtube videos to tell them how to feel about things instead of thinking for themselves. The only thing about the college that's disappointing is that it's too short. Which happens when you have a game that's as big as skyrim.
Some of this was probably part of the original plan, but a lot of things in the final game were cut short or left out. The bards college has files that allow you to play instruments, but instead, all we get in the actual game is the ability to recover a poem and attend a festival.
Severely underrated. It's actually depressing given how on point this likely is The modern ES lore seems either non-existant or slapped together based on a series of coincidental events that could exolain the various phenomena Ibusually find very little thought goes into the lore behind events or even preserving canon
I actually think some (if not most) of this more was actually genuinely considered to be implemented into the game and whatnot. Especially with the whole hagraven-like character design thing. Whether because of time constraints, negative response in playtesting, because of the opinions of some boss at Bethesda, or for whatever reason, it was cut. At least some of it was still left in the game. This is interesting lore, and some of it it seems very plausibly true, at least to me.
After having replayed through as a wizard just recently, I have to say it’s entirely possible that rather then wanting the Augur to have access to anything, I felt it was more something like “Ancano is dangerous, he needs to die, the Dragon Priest in Labyrinthian will break out soon, need to deal with that, Savos Aren is unworthy as an Archmage for the coming age. The College of Winterhold, the only remaining beacon for proper magical education for the next generation, needs a more capable hand at the wheel.” They waited and provided just enough guidance for you solve everything, forcing you to grow in the face of that adversity and become worthy of the role, then for the man in your way of a promotion to die, and more particularly the man who would be more suited to taking the role by seniority to witness you save the world first hand, and crush a Wizard who he couldn’t even touch, securing his recommendation you take the job. I found it VERY interesting when, at the end, they make a point of addressing you as Archmage, despite knowing very well you haven’t been given the position yet. They’re forcing the issue in a way. In a sense, everything turned out perfectly for them.
This is an interesting theory. I'm not entirely sure I believe it, but you might be onto something here. Plus, adding to this, it's entirely possible for you to be both the Archmage of the college, as well as Thane of Winterhold, which would do wonders to start softening the local's opinions on magic, further helping to secure a future for the college.
I... find that interesting. I just don't buy it. I mean in a meta sense you're becoming the Archmage because Morrowind did it, then Oblivion did it. But there is a slight difference between how it's done in Morrowind and how it's done in Oblivion and Skyrim. In Morrowind you have to be.. at least mildly politically savvy to get the Archmage to step down, showing you might have some sense of how to deal with people. You also needed the stats that said you actually were good at magic in general. In at least a few fields. Having a strong grasp of magical theory, the skills and dangers involved, and the responsible uses of (theoretically). In Oblivion and Skyrim however? Well... you don't need that magical expertise at all really. You don't need a deeper understanding of magic. In fact in Oblivion you actively are rejecting understanding magic in Necromancy because Traven is basically a radical lunatic on crusade. You were picked just because you were his tool for that Crusade and survived it. Really you should have been a Knight of the Lamp instead of the Archmage. Similarly the College of Winterhold has a lot of things that needs particular skills and expertise. On the dangers of magic. Politics and how to diplomatically work with the Nords of Skyrim who are innately distrustful to Magic for the most part. You see a lot of dangers of inept use of magic, from you uncovering the Eye of Magnus to the Augur of Dunlain and our good friend there Arniel Ghosting himself, or how magic has made some members of the college a bit unstable (like Collette and the Illusion master). Just at the end of the College of Winterhold? I don't feel like the Dragonborn really attained any level of mastery to really handle the job of "Archmage". They did, like Oblivion, achieve a status fitting of something like "Grand Protector of the College" perhaps. A blunt stick to enforce rules which is basically what you get with the Aftershock radiant quests and Tolfdir seemingly taking charge of the day to day stuff as the actual Archmage. That your title is basically an empty figurehead that doesn't even get used as a showpiece (Hell the NPC barks never even seem to realize you're the Archmage, thinking you're just a member still which supports it for me), that he gives you a fancy title and then just sends you out to kill things causing damage while he actually conducts the College's administration. Though I honestly think Mirabelle would have been better. She was level headed. She was skilled. She seemed to have no problems handling people and getting respect out of them as pretty much no one has anything bad to say about her (Unlike Tolfdir). But well.. the games seem ill disposed to admitting the player might have limits and might not be the greatest thing ever. Heck I was mildly surprised that after the Civil War they didn't go "... you know what, forget Elisef, the Dragonborn is now High King of Skyrim!". I mean not ENTIRELY surprised. But there was definitely a part of me that figured there was like 25% odds on them doing it... Even though the Dragonborn similarly shows little signs of understanding the Nord culture, Skyrim's government, and so forth (he has to ask what Thanes and Jarls and Housecarls are after all). So always kind of sad for me that Mirabelle was just killed with zero fanfare. Even though she was holding her own in a struggle against a mer with the power of the Eye of Magnus, dying a hero's death. They kind of treat it like "Oh and Rosenkrantz and Gilderstern are also dead".
@@hitomisalazar4073 You’re mastery of those things is assumed, of course. Some of the weight is on you as a role player to build yourself in such a way that you are, in fact, worthy of said position. If you’re going by Lore, you are a nexus point of the God Head’s dream, a “Prisoner” the avatar of a Dreamer outside the God Head, in addition to being “The Last Dragon Born”. You are effectively a God, to the point where Hermeaus Mora, who can speak and unmake every other god in existence, puts on a production to entertain you. To appease you. Mastering magic to you is literal child’s play. You can max all fields of it within days in game. Effortlessly. You can interpret yourself as a “Blunt Stick” because you don’t try to fill in the role in a more role play styled way, and instead are just taking the game mechanics at face value. And political savvy in Morrowind…? I recall you certainly COULD yes, but you likewise could just challenge him to a duel and murder him in the arena.
@@Neuviletteiudexofmemes Well here's what I mean about worthy of the position. As a roleplayer, as I do try to roleplay these games. I see the role of Archmage not just "I have hit 100 in several schools of magic". That makes you that blunt stick I pointed out. You're power, but not Wisdom necessarily. The role of Archmage (should at least) be something other than just a measurement of who has the most power. And there's touches I liked out of other mages guilds I missed (or wish went longer). Like the start of the Skyrim's Mage's guild I think is the best in the series, right until you get trapped in Saarthal. I like that when you get to Winterhold you'll find out about the tensions. You'll have someone halt you mentioning rowdy Nords looking for fights. You have to prove you are invested into being a mage to get past (I usually get tasked to summon a Flame Atronach, impossible unless you either put points into Magicka growth, were an Altmer by default, or put effort into Conjuration due to its over 100 point casting cost). You get a nice little lecture, a tour, a class on a new type of magic to the series (I just wish Wards actually were GOOD for anything really, they drain magicka way too fast to be useful without exploits). And the idea of going to Saarthal, to see how Ancient Nords lived and utilized magic is a fascinating idea. I want to know more. Like a more in depth version of the Lectures at the Arcane University in Oblivion where you could hear lessons on what the Doomstones are. Actual academics and understanding. Increasing wisdom, even if the Oblivion mage's guild didn't require any magical talent to speak of. It's not something I have to make up out of, well really nothing because the story line doesn't give you that. I can always BS a reason. But considering the Dragonborn then almost assuredly faffs off to who knows where before Hermaus Mora consumes him and traps him in Apocrypha (I would be VERY surprised if that wasn't the canonical story come Elder Scrolls 6, if they mention anything, due to the general fear Bethesda has of establishing things about former main characters)... are you really worthy? You beat a threat. But what did you really do to prove yourself a leader? You saw Savros Aren's complete ineptitude in the Ghosts of the Labyrinthian Dungeon, so examples of what not to do I suppose. I don't think the Psijiic Order was really grooming you for anything in terms of Leadership. I think they just saw it as a chance to claim the Eye of Magnus. Which did end up well for them. Like I can respect the theory (probably a lot more satisfying than being a figurehead while Tolfdir actually runs everything for most people), don't get me wrong. It's not a personal thing. It's me pondering and thinking structure and just how I was feeling about things. Though part of my general dislike of the Morrowind started trend of "We MUST make you a leader of all of Tamriel's X" is that... well they usually don't do a good job of framing it up for me, and they don't actually let you have that role regardless. I think the Thieves' Guild in Skyrim is the best I ever felt about that style. Because instead of just getting to the end of the story line, you have to prove you're the best thief around. You have to work your butt off to make the Guild a presence across Skyrim again, making powerful contacts and friends that the guild can lean on. By the end of it? I feel like it was well deserved. And I feel like the greatest thief in the province. I even get a little tribute for my trouble showing that my title isn't just an empty platitude. Not asking for much, I can work with what's provided. But those little touches. Makes the difference for me. Touches I felt lacking from the Mage's Guild where I do technically have to use magic (Making it better than Oblivion's in that regard). But... I don't feel like the wisest academic by the end of it. And considering my only reward is a bedroom in a place that already had a bedroom, access to crafting tables in a place that already had crafting tables, a title that does nothing, and Tolfdir running everything anyway while I'm gone? I dunno. Just something missing. As cliche as it is to say, I do think "Mods fix this" is one solution. As I recall one where they bootlegged in a Spellmaker, after you completed the questline. And the idea that somehow in all those events you gained the wisdom and insight to create new spells was something to fit that. And it was fun running around with things like a Cloak of Fear and Frost spell on hand or a Sticky Flamethrower (like the Wall of X destruction spells) of Paralysis spell. Other solution was if there was some extra quest line/stage after that involving the city of Winterhold itself. Maybe having the college help rebuild it, or depose Korir out of fear of him storming the place eventually, or something that could have made it feel a bit more satisfying and solve a lingering tension that otherwise goes unaddressed.
@@hitomisalazar4073 My point though is that, that 100 in a magic should mean more then “my spells go vroooom”. It’s up to us to make mean something. If you’re point was that the College drops you too fast into the chosen one stuff, I agree, which is why I always use mods to stall the quests between reporting to Savos about the eye, and when it appears in the college and Psyjics visit. So I can live a life in the college, “research” the cool modded spells in things like Midas (which need rare ingredients across Skyrim to secure) do the various other mage related mods installed bit by bit. Set off on other ruin delves to modded in dungeons (which I’ve modded to have better rewards and spells in to offset their massive size and scope). Bit by bit, become someone worthy of being Archmage, in your play-through, then trigger the Eye “finally being excavated and placed in the college”. But you said something else interesting to me. Hermeaus trapping the last Dragonborn in Apocrypha…? Now why would he do that~? He already got what he wanted. We, the audience, were entertained by a huge storyline in which he got to be our ally. On our side. People are invested in him, now, he’s a fan favorite God. And what happened as a result of that? It was retroactively established that he’s the most powerful god in the verse, and stands unopposed in his quest to obtain all knowledge. That portal he makes for us is canon, and it’s OBVIOUSLY canon. Because his motive, from the start, WAS you. He could have killed Miraak at any moment. On a whim. Why let his plan go so far? Because ol Herma Mora is a trickster first and foremost, and with his sight of the tides of fate always did he know how this would play out. He didn’t just want a Dragon Born as a Trophy. He wanted the hearts and minds of those beyond the Godhead on his side. And sure enough it handed him the world. Remember that he may put on a good act, but Herma Mora is Meta as all hell. He’s very much aware of the worlds nature, that we could turn him off at any given moment, and that his world will end truly and utterly, with no Kalpa recycle, the moment we lose interest in it. So as the master of fate ( and the puppet master who controls all other gods if he needs to we now realize from Onlines new expansion) why wouldn’t he manipulate things to keep them entertaining? Why wouldn’t he set the world up for Elder Scrolls 6, 10, 20 Etc. Hermeaus will probably always avoid directly becoming the players enemy, because why wouldn’t he? He knows he’d have to lose.
I’ve been frustrated about this for years, I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure there are a couple other instances like this too I just can’t think of them right now
@@steviesiepler1493 one i just encountered that frustrates me is mallus maccius asking you to 'put in a good word with maven' for him. there's no option to do so. and that was a bit annoying, but on top of that, if you visit him again after the meadery quest, he tells you to tell maven that things are going well. STILL NO DIALOGUE OPTION. twice with the same character!
Okay, I think the Augur was trying to invoke a powerful spell to grow hair out on his head, BUT the powers for such a spell were too great and it overwhelmed him causing the Great Collapse! o_o Thus the spell only worked half-way, sure he was no longer bald (cause his physical form was annulled) but he didn't get the hair he wanted to neither. Mystery - SOLVED! :D You're welcome. You're research about his origin as a son of a Hagraven was pretty cool too though! :)
@@Camelworks Shezarr bless and keep you, Camel. You are an absolute legend. This is exactly why I’ve stayed a patron of yours (on Patreon) for years. I don’t ask for daily, weekly, or monthly uploads. I just ask for your best. 🔥 🐐
I listen to this all the time. Its an amazing video so i don’t mean any disrespect, but it’s perfect to fall asleep too. It’s like the perfect adult bedtime story but for elder scrolls nerds. Thank you, camelworks. This is a masterpiece. Unreal effort and execution. Perfect perfect perfect
@@Reign_Dropz NO FR CUZ I WOKE UP TO THAT A FEW NIGHTS AGO IN A LEGIT PANIC Literally I remember in whatever dream I was having it turned into a gore-filled ritual really fast because of that and then I woke up sweating and squirming 💀
You can't Restore hair in area where no existing roots grow in it to begin with. Maybe a combination of Alteration on the skin is possible. Similar on alternate your lungs to be able to breath underwater from a spell.
1. The cinematography done in this video is fucking phenomenal... 2. To say you've dove down a rabbit hole and made a theory that actually makes sense just tows to show why I like these vids when watching, enjoy watching these when I'm grinding games and just the amount of detail put in is spectacular. I swear if camel ever does a fallout detective... my brain would explode like a nuclear bomb.
When comes to awkward conversation in elderscrolls, there are plenty to choose from, but the interaction between the psijic monk and ancano after he unfreezes time is at least top 5
In Karthwasten there's a male nord and a female orc that are constantly hitting on each other but due to cultural differences the other one doesn't get it. It's hilarious.
This video perfectly encapsulates why I love the Elder Scrolls series. They don’t just tell you stories in an expositional dump. They show you the world that is the result of those stories and allow the player to figure out what happened
you absolutely fall in love with the souls games if you dont play those already for that same reason than im obsessed with those games, elden ring is the best so far with all its stories and the way the game play handles
@tavrosnitram1529 those absolute garbage games have no story and are the most boring piles of horse manure ever created. Each gane is a copy and paste. They are the literal cancer of gaming and the most laziest form of games ever made. Definition of a sheep right here.
2:02:36 That all sounds like it was written by the devs or someone to tell someone else how Septimus Signus's iceberg should be laid out. They might have translated one of their own notes into that page just for fun, or as something fun for fans to decode.
Kinda like how the translated text to "N'gasta! Kvata! Kvakis!" talks about websites & emails. It's not info that has anything to do with TES, it's just something funny the developers put in.
Camel: *uploads 3 hour video on Skyrim* Me: Honey, call me when dinner is done. I'm not leaving the office space until dinner because some Australian man made a Lord of the Rings length video on a giant talking orb of light.
Every LOTR movie is approximately an hour longer than this investigation, in fact. Though either are directed in the finest of ways, so it's not even a bit tiresome to watch!
Raising the bar man. This is really inspiring, being able to pull this off is incredible. This is my favorite lore channel on TH-cam not just for Elder Scrolls. Thanks for making such great entertainment but also for being crazy enough to make epic stuff like this and motivate others.
@@StonyCarrot1001 Turns out his hiatus ended up being over a year long. Man must've found some pretty great stuff to do irl, though he's finally back so be ready for more Fallout/Elder Scrolls lore :)
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So I found your channel after doing some research for the Augur of the Obscure from ESO. I've been playing ESO on XBox since day one and to this day, the Augur of the Obscure is hands down, my favorite NPC character in all of the Elder Scrolls games. That being said, when I found this video as one of the results that came up in my search, naturally I was intrigued. ANOTHER AUGUR?! And then once I started watching this, I realized how easily and how many times while playing Skyrim, the Augur of Dunlain didn't even register with me in memories! BUT MY GOSH, my dude! I have rewatched this video no less than 20 times and have totally become a CamelWorks addict. Love all your ElderScrollsvideos!! And yes, if you did one on the Augur of the Obscure - I would lose my mind! Glad I found this channel!!
All these youtubers putting in pointless filler just to edge their video past that golden 10 minute mark. This video is one of the most atrocious examples of it yet! Money grubbers, all'of'um 😤
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I just watched this in one sitting. You got me hooked from the very beginning and delved into a topic I didn't even pay attention to when playing. This was awesome, thank you so much for your work and dedication, there is no one out there who does the same as you with equivalent quality. MASTERPIECE
mages at the college of winterhold: what kind of magic is this? how am i to study this spell if i do not know what kind of magic i am doing?? the reachmen: MAGIC IS MAGIC
I think it's important to remember that the Augur of Dunlain's dialogue can't be skipped, similar to Daedric Prince's and if you exit conversation with him, you're forced to restart. So perhaps he's on a similar level to them. Or, perhaps, the very same storm that destroyed winterhold managed to destroy the wards as well. Perhaps, there were indeed strong wards around the college but the storm was managing to destroy them, so the augur of dunlain tried to do an experimental spell to strengthen the wards by connecting himself to them and using one of his unique spells to try to keep the college safe(and in the process try to take a large amount of the magic into himself) . Unfortunately, all he managed to do is extend the wards until just before the storm ended, losing his body in the process, with his soul still being connected to the college's Magicks, which would explain the damage the college still has as well. And if those wards were placed long ago, perhaps the mages at the time didn't know how to replace them. One problem I have with your theory is that, as far as I can tell, the Augur is bound to the magic flowing through the college, and the only way for him to leave would be by taking all the magic with him since it is him, yet the magic still remains after the whole college questline is complete. Never mind. You addressed it
Recently did all Daedric quests, I remember being able to skip only the dialogue of those who have a body like Sanguine and Sheogorath. There's also Meridia, that has default body movement but with a spark of light texture.
I think this may be one of my favourite videos that not just you as a creator has produced, but on TH-cam as a whole. I watched the entire thing snuggled up on my sofa with my dog and it's the happiest I've been for months. It's also helped me sleep, I play this in the background and it's helping me deal with my inability to sleep due to mental issues. Thank you so much for this video man
Just watched the whole video in a single sitting and didn't feel bored or burned out by it at all. Only the highest craftsmanship can achieve such a feat. Brilliant job Camel!
all you would need to do is take all of shrek's voice lines throughout all of the movies and cut them up to form all the lines that Augur says or hire brock baker to do the lines
That excerpt from Shalidor’s Insights really looks like a note/memo from a writer or quest designer to an artist or level designer, describing what the cell needed to look like for Septimus’ quest to take place there. The same artist or another in the same department probably needed some mysterious looking text to put into Shalidor’s Insights, and they had that note lying around, so they used it, probably with the expectation that nobody would bother trying to translate it.
I think you’re 100% correct It’s definitely a Description intended for a designer likely a texture artist to get A rough idea of what is needed it’s just filler text that they had laying around But It gives us a little insight into the process of the making of the game
Interesting and very agreeable, still very strange about hermaus Moras book having the colleges design in the book. Mabye shalidor did know things he shouldn’t have
Agreed completely. While I love many of Camel's theories, I hate to say that I just don't think Bethesda thought this deep. While I lowkey accept this as my headcanon, I think its more likely many that Bethesda knows as much about the Augur of Dunlain as we do. Which is almost nothing. And IF this was Bethesda's plan all along, they need to be working for the CIA or something, not a game studio XD The Internet can figure out almost any mystery and its truth in about a year or 2.
I just recently discovered this channel because I fell asleep on a FudgeMuppet video and woke up to the CCC series. Am I glad about that! Camel, you are amazing! I’ve never watched a video for three hours straight. Seriously, props to you for such dedication to the theories you and the community come up with. I’ve just joined the Discord and I’m so excited to be part of such a cool and curious;) community. Thanks, Camel!
First Collete talks about him like she hardly believes in a spooky story told to her in freshman year and then she talks about him like grandma remembering her first spring fling.
Thank you my good man, you just answered lots of questions which were fudging many of the players' minds for nearly a decade. The itching of my soul has now ended, my sincerest thanks ^_^
This has got to be one of the greatest lore/theory videos of all time. It really goes places you wouldn't expect, and highlights a compelling history of the region this game takes place in.
Bethesda has included that kinda thing before and I was extremely disappointed to not have it as an option. With all the obscure hidden dialogue in game it’s almost surprising how this small thing was overlooked. And then I remember how the entire College quest line seemed overlooked
When I first played the college's quest line, I audibly said "Wait, that's it?" I had completed the Companion's and thieves guild, so I was incredibly underwhelmed by the College
The Augur neither lives nor dies - in a sense he flees the collapse into magic. He remains in a liminal state. A bit like Magnus. Magnus did not refuse to participate in creation like a Daedra but he didn't stay to lose his power like an Aedra, he fled back to Aetherius before convention becoming a Magne Ge and tearing the hole of the sun. Ever the liminal state. The Augur might have been trying to mantle Magnus? Ie Like Tiber Septim mantles Lorkhan. And what more could there be in the acquisition of magic power than to mantle the god of magic?
I always assumed that this was the ultimate spell in restoration. It’s literally the opposite of death so I figure this was lichdom minus the whole living corpse thing. This is the equal of a Jedi force ghost. The dark side makes u a lich inhabiting a body that can be dead while the light side makes you a force ghost.
THIS folks, this is what keeps me from quitting skyrim after 7 years of playing, camel, fudgemuppet and zaric are the best thing that has ever happened to this loveable community
Ye it sounds like they just found some random dev notes and thought they looked cool in the book. The way its described sounds like its from the perspective of developers and not someone perceiving the future.
@@dard1515 but in a way it’s also really cool because it’s like shalidor has tapped into the way the world around him is designed by some exterior force
Maybe the Auger of Dunlain wanted to merge with the Eye of Magnus, explaining him leaving after these events. Perhaps the Eye is also tied to the availability of magic on Tamriel, as well, and the Order wanted him to merge with it to make magic all the more powerful.
Ahh, the event with the Strom that swallowed the city was not enough, but he knew that the eye of Magnus would come along later, giving him the final push to ascend to godhood.
This makes me feel like my position as Arch Mage is just being a puppet to the Augur and the Psijic. I guess it's in their interest to have a gullible tool like me in that position.
Well jokes on them, my the moment my character catches the wind of her being manipulated heads will start rolling and boy oh boy do I like to see them try fighting Alteration/Restoration/Conjuration Dragonborn master armed with The Stuff of Magnus and plethora of daedric artifacts What I meaning is that trying to control Dragonborn who might very well be canonically the most powerful mortal that currently walks on Tamriel very, veeeeery bad idea. Then again, Elder Scrolls lore full of people looking at VERY BAD NO GOOD DON DO IT idea and go like "I am a genius, what could go wrong?"
@@exploertm8738 it is implied on several occassions (like when asking Neloth to teach you enchanting) that the skill level 100 cap isn't the maximum that can be reached, but simply is for you as the player - Neloth implies that he is skilled beyond the 100 level cap. It makes sense, given how in Morrowind you could go above 100. So... don't assume just because all of your skills are at 100 that you are indestructible and superior to everyone. There are skills which are obviously there in the lore that are inaccessible in the games themselves.
Augr is also eerily similiar to the icelandic word "auga" which means eye. Skyrim takes alot of inspiration from nordic languages like for example draugr - icelandic: draugur which means ghost so this could maybe be connected
*Sees new video* "Oh sweet, Camel has uploaded; Augur of Dunlain Mystery Exposed? Sweet, I always wanted to know who he wa-" *3:02:29 * "Mother of God."
Only Camel could keep me interested in an entire 3 hour spoken essay on an obscure, one of the MOST obscure, fictional character in a video game. Well done Camelboi!
I don't know if you realized this but in the video about Reyda, you bring up how the court wizard of Riften writes a letter to the college asking about a "cloud emulsifier" and that they don't know any such device or any magic used to control storms, which being so common on Nirn is odd but makes perfect sense if they were trying to hide their role in the storms
I was surprised that you never mentioned the fact that the College of Winterhold insignia, which is supposed to be the eye of magnus, looks eerily similar to Hermaeus Mora.
Yeah well,... because that would be touching on the unholy source of not only magick itself but also - and much more! - on the source of the school of Winterhold. Immortality, becoming a god or god-like and power through (forbidden) knowledge: haven't we all heard about this before?! Magick, its providers and users are what causes ALL the devastation in this fantasy world. And that fact is rather uncomfortable for most fans of the franchise. I guess that's why the matter of the human sacrifice and the destruction of a city is little more than a side note in this video.
I'd really like to point out the AUGUR says "You are not the first to visit me, but you MAY be the last." How can someone with such powerful foresight be unsure about an outcome like this?
I don't think there's much to the Ebony Warrior beyond in-universe being an aspect of Ebonarm and, in a meta sense, being a parallel to the player. A cool character, but perhaps not worthy of an Elder Scrolls Detective investigation.
He is the classic "one punch man" story I don't know the exact lore but through his words and the words of npcs such as guards the conclusion is that he has extreme wanderlust, he wanted to do everything when he meets the Dragonborn perhaps he seeks a challenge or just someone who can finally defeat him
I forget who but Ive seen a skyrim youtube video about him before, his npc is a red guard and the line of dialogue he says is something about going to sovngarde. his body is also 30% larger than most npcs. I think their theory was he was a spectre of a certain war god or something. Im sure someone else in the comments will know much better than me, thats just what I remember from the video. (possibly in one of epicnate's videos but very unsure)
Two points: 1: The wards could simply protect the structure itself, not its occupants. Wards might get in the way of experiments if they block magical energies from being accessed or sent out. 2: When the Augur speaks of "your" college, it may just be that he's talking about the who make up the college rather than the structure itself. He has at best a tenuous connection to the people currently at the college.
Something to mention about unskippable dialogue. It only applies to voice lines that have voice effects put on them, which _most_ daedra have. Similarly, the Augur has a voice effect, and cannot be skipped. There is one Daedra for instance that doesn't talk with a voice effect and can be skipped, though I forget who it is. It seems less developer intended and more engine limitation.
The elder scrolls exist because of Todd Howard, who exists because of the elder scrolls. But deep down he's actually Nazeem and the lucid modder guides the dream
This video is a masterpiece deserving of an award. Of all the factions in Skyrim, I like the College of Winterhold most, though I'm likely in the minority. Having only played Skyrim for 2 years, I was ignorant of the prior games. What little I did learn helped shape the backstory of one character I created and it also lead me to the belief that souls were needed to ascend in power. I believe Tolfdir knew the Augur because I consider Colette, who is younger, more honest. It's also interesting how she speaks of the Augur when you do the Restoration Ritual. Fabulous work. I look forward to seeing other videos on this channel even if I'm years behind everyone else. Side note: You can partially skip the dialog of Meridia and Sheogorath.
This is the Elder Scrolls equivalent of a dnd player telling the DM their idea of what’s happening in the story and the DM scratching out his original notes and saying “yep that’s exactly what it is”
so idk if anyone found this out yet, but the moth priest Dexion Evicus in the dawnguard DLC, also mentions augur in the context of the Ancestor Moth and reading the elder scrolls
@@The214thRabidFangirl I didn't, lol. My game bugged out last time and she didn't attack me, so I farmed some hagraven feathers/claws from her house, give her a big ole kiss and went to torture some nearby vampires.
Don't comment often, but this is probably the 4th time I've watched this video so I thought I just say how much I enjoyed this. The analysis fleshes out the college's story in such an interesting and engaging way.
Noooo. You can't use tolfdir voice as a evidence of him hiding something considering all of these lines are shot at different times, And that he was an actual old man. Not to mention he was sick for many years. So during that recording session he may have not been feel exactly chipper. Fun fact Tolfdir was played by George Coe. The same man who voiced Woodhouse in the series "Archer". May he rest in peace.
I wouldn't say ALL. Some of it is likely intentional BUT I do consider this more of an exception given the evidence Kinda say we may never really know, because it could just be good acting
Holy crap I didn't realize Tolfdir was Woodhouse. Now I'm never going to unhear it. Rest in piece George Coe. "Shall I get the aquarium gravel, sir dragonborn?"
The “Murder” in “a murder of crows” is a collective noun, not the plural of crow. The plural of “crow” is “crows”. Other examples of “collective nouns” are: A “pod” of whales, A “parliament” of owls, A “batch” of cake, A “gang” of thieves, A “flight” of butterflies, A “disguising” of tailors, And so on and so forth.
A random 3 hour video about a sentient ball of light showed up in my recommendations, and you can bet your sweet ass that imma watch every second of it
I would read that quote from the card game as something like "I am the change of fists into the weapons of royalty"? Or perhaps if we want to insert a lot more words, I am one who used/uses fists and became/will become one who uses the weapons of royalty", which would be an implication of ascension- if we assume the weapons of royalty(or starlight or...) refers to magic, this could be nords speaking to their desire to go beyond their martial ancestry and partake in the secrets of magic. It could be something like a school moto?
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Time stamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:03:48 - College Of Winterhold
00:04:11 - Psijic Monk Nerien
00:05:02 - Eye Of Magnus
00:05:33 - Psijic Monk Nerien
00:09:45 - Brelyna Maryon About The Augur
00:10:08 - Onmund On The Augur
00:10:24 - J'zargo On The Augur
00:10:37 - Ancano On The Augur
00:10:54 - Arniel Gane On The Augur
00:11:15 - Enthir On The Augur
00:11:33 - Nirya Maryon On The Augur
00:11:52 - Faralda On The Augur
00:12:04 - Arch Mage Savos Aren On The Augur
00:12:30 - Colette Marence On The Augur
00:13:06 - Mirabelle Ervine On The Augur
00:13:39 - Tolfdir On The Augur
00:15:17 - Midden
00:16:00 - Midden Dark
00:16:12 - Talking To The Augur
00:20:10 - Restoration Ritual
00:23:59 - What We Know About The Augur
00:24:48 - Augur Before The Accident
00:24:55 - Reachmen Totems In The Midden
00:26:38 - What Does "The Augur Of Dunlain" Mean
00:26:47 - What Is An Augur
00:27:56 - Augur Is A Reachmen Rank
00:28:34 - Legend Of Red Eagle
00:30:21 - Where Is Dunlain?
00:31:22 - Wrothgar & Western Reach
00:31:51 - Reachmen Are Bretons
00:32:26 - Augur Is Breton
00:33:07 - Augur Is A Reachman
00:33:42 - Augur's Powers
00:35:02 - Augur Uses Old Magics
00:35:42 - Reachmen Culture
00:35:56 - Reachmen Magics
00:37:04 - Defining Unknown Magics
00:37:33 - Delving Into Primal Magics At The College
00:38:41 - What Do We Know About Reach Magic?
00:38:54 - Where Do Reachmen Get Their Powers?
00:39:15 - Reachmen Sacrificial Rituals
00:40:12 - Hagravens Exchanging Powers
00:40:39 - Matriarchal Hagravens
00:41:29 - Becoming A Hagraven
00:41:42 - Hagraven Bodies Imbued With Power
00:41:53 - Hagraven Parts In Alchemy
00:42:44 - Reachmen Religion
00:42:50 - Old Gods
00:43:03 - Great Spirits, Daedric Princes
00:44:36 - Which Daedra Do The Reachmen Worship
00:45:11 - Crow's Spell Of Binding
00:45:46 - Hircine
00:47:04 - Lycanthropes
00:47:55 - Hagraven Abilities
00:49:38 - Creating A Briarheart
00:52:27 - Hagravens Having Children
00:52:45 - A Life Barbaric & Brutal
00:54:11 - Hagraven's Son
00:55:05 - The Blessed Crucible
00:55:14 - Aleris The Shroud
00:55:44 - Crow Bringer
00:57:23 - Hagraven Mother
00:58:11 - Augur Is A Hagraven Prince
00:59:04 - Hagravens Can Revive Dead People
01:01:48 - Augur Of Dunlain's Human Character
01:05:27 - What The Augur Looks Like In Game
01:06:03 - Augur's Roots
01:08:10 - What Happened To The Augur
01:09:39 - Accident Or Intentional
01:11:47 - Magical Accidents
01:15:13 - Great Collapse Of Winterhold
01:16:24 - Eruption Of Red Mountain
01:17:18 - Storm Erosion
01:21:51 - Tension Between The College & Winterhold
01:22:59 - Kraldar
01:25:26 - Jarl Korir
01:28:56 - How Old Is The Augur?
01:29:47 - Tolfdir Faking
01:31:39 - Tolfdir's Sorrow
01:33:38 - Tolfdir Voice Change
01:34:57 - Altering Life Span
01:38:03 - College Is Hiding The Truth
01:41:40 - Augur Saved The College With A Ward
01:42:37 - There Are No Wards
01:47:06 - Shalidor Building Winterhold
01:47:56 - Magical Powers Under Winterhold
01:48:18 - Pocket Guide To The Empire
01:49:05 - Blackreach
01:50:27 - Augur's Disconnection
01:52:29 - Shalidor's Fortress Of Ice
01:54:35 - Is The Fortress Of Ice & Saarthal The Same Place?
01:56:19 - Shalidor Used The Eye Of Magnus
01:57:34 - Shalidor's Insights
01:58:01 - Septimus Signus
02:00:14 - Missing Pages Translated
02:02:53 - Hermaeus Mora's Oghma Infinium
02:04:01 - Did The Augur Use Oghma Infinium
02:04:54 - Augur Caused The Great Collapse On Purpose
02:06:03 - Weather Magic Storm Summoning
02:07:34 - Ritual Side Effect
02:08:07 - Harrow Storms
02:09:00 - Awakening The Dark Heart Of Skyrim
02:13:12 - Soul Energy Harvesting
02:14:20 - Waiting For The Eye Of Magnus
02:16:43 - Augur Helped Ancano Unlock The Eye
02:19:08 - Augur Absorbing The Eye Of Magnus
02:20:05 - Psijic Order Helping The Augur
02:20:34 - Psijic Inaction Makes No sense
02:24:36 - Psijic Worked With An Augur Before
02:26:00 - Old Magic To Contact Psijic Order
02:27:36 - Making Sense Of Nonsense
02:29:06 - What Is The Augur Of Dunlain
02:30:05 - Ideal Masters
02:30:47 - Demi-Prince Fa-Nuit-Hen On Achieving Immortality
02:34:05 - Immortality Within The Elder Scrolls
02:36:48 - Velehk Sain Binding Ritual
02:40:12 - An Undefinable Entity
02:41:10 - Augur Of The Obscure
02:44:32 - Six Walking Ways
02:45:05 - 36 Lessons Of Vivec
02:46:45 - Prolix Tower
02:47:26 - Psijic Endeavor
02:47:54 - Numidium
02:48:23 - Enantiomorph, Mantling
02:49:27 - CHIM
02:49:50 - Scarab That Transforms Into The New Man, Amaranth, Godhead
02:50:40 - Is The Augur A God?
02:52:20 - TES Legends: College Of Winterhold Card
02:52:48 - AE GHARTOK PADHOME CHIM AE ALTADOON
02:55:07 - Translating Ehlnofex
02:57:52 - Outro
THE IMMENSITY
THE GLORY
3 HOURS. You absolute madman. Thank you for making my day way better
You know we will enjoy, love your videos rewatch most of them fairly regularly.
oooohhhhh by sithis im gonna be here for a while
This video is unironically longer than the college of winterhold quest line
It's probably true!
Sad but true😂
I mean... If you're a novice destruction wizard playing at Legendary difficulty...
@@muffinman2546 Bad times ahead
@@April84012 Multiple groups of bandits that has achieved Chime by not being able to burn to death despite having no such resistances and being burned for 3 minutes straight to reach half the health bar.
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Yip. Tougher times indeed for Saarthal alone. ;D
This guy deserves some kind of award for managing to make a 3 hour presentation on a talking blob of light.
The grandpa will o’ wisp
There’s a strong possibility that the aggregate time for the research, scripting, reading, and editing for this video actually took longer than the entire winterhold questline took Bethesda to make
@@JB-xl2jc this definitely took longer than that. My son worked harder on his 5th grade autobiography than Bethesda did on winterhold
A whole like
An english professor’s dream, able to interestingly ramble on about a topic endlessly despite the lack of reference material
The real mystery is how the Dragonborn is promoted to archmage after casting only 3 spells.
My personal theory is that the prior archmage was so incompetent and useless they just wanted someone else (anyone else) to take his spot
@@dabalugi3092 nyria is fuming rn
Well Savos and Mirabelle are dead...after them you are the best candidate.
@@Hotarubi-dono what about Tolfdir?
@@rabbilampshade374 he probably wouldn’t want it
I just found this out. If you summon the Spectral Assassin aka Lucien Lachance and take him to the city of Winterhold he will say "Do you feel it? Magic. Deep and ancient. It resonates from the College, like the beating of a heart."
Furthering the Dark Heart theory.
lmao 1 month ago still finding new info. thats so cool haha
thank you for the camel
watching this video today for the second time, didn't think there could've been more info.
How silly of me, i should've know. It's Camel we're talking about.
Also, i can't take this video as nothing other than facts. It's not just theory, it all makes perfect sense. We should've had a developer analysing this and giving you sir, some kind of award. You mastered this analysis in the most perfect way.
Absolute legend!
Maybe the auger was stuck at the college and after having the eye opened he went in and had the db close it then the psijic order came thru picked him up and left.
“Have you heard the story of the Augur of Dunlain? It’s not a tale the Archmage would tell you. He was so powerful in the ways of restoration magic he could even save the ones he loved, from death.”
underrated comment right here Boys!
whaaaw. this, now this is what Id like to see more of in my comments - the best memes there are - prequel memes
Dew it
Couldn't save his corporeal form though. Feelsbadman
Ironic. He could save others from death....but not himself.
The Scrolls foretold of his return. The rendering was merely delay.
Hehe
Imagine the Bethesda developer like O_O “we were just trying to be mysterious”
Lol I don't think they put as much thought into a lot of these things that we find deeper meaning in 😂
And yet, there *is* that character profile...
@@Hare_deLune They have to make a person to speak for the things you're talking to.
@@Kieranhc whichever prince you get the ebony blade from is a dresser, it just needs something that can act as an event trigger that the player can activate
@@monsterpieeater there should be an actual character model for it in a hidden cell because only people can talk. It’s the same for the narrator in new Vegas and hermaious mora and a few other characters you meet that don’t have a physical body that you see
The bigger mystery is Colette talking like the augur is just a myth, when you reach level 90 in restoration she talks about him like she’s known him forever
wel the auger is not a beeing you just talk about with everyone,maybe ones she is familiar with you or you are experienced enuf she feels like she can talk about him
I wondered that too
@@marcvandermeyden8000 my thoughts exactly
She still doesn’t sell you the master level spell she’s supposed to though. It’s never available in her inventory for sale whenever I’ve played through that quest. Even when all the other masters have reset & have copies of master level spells available again, she never does
@@TH-camcanfuckagoat cause she is not a master level trainer. she is only expert level. danica purespring in the whiterun tempel is the master trainer. there aren't really more than 1 master per skill in skyrim. some have 2 or even 3 but only added with a dlc. the basegame had 1 master per skill.
The most impressive thing about this video is how he made the college of winterhold story so interesting
It was always interesting to me.
@@AP13P in-game it is quite disappointing but lore-wise it is quite rich and detailed
@@marvinamor1330 Disagree, it is quite rich in-game as well. You just need to look for details.
The college isnt that disappointing. Most people just watch youtube videos to tell them how to feel about things instead of thinking for themselves.
The only thing about the college that's disappointing is that it's too short. Which happens when you have a game that's as big as skyrim.
Some of this was probably part of the original plan, but a lot of things in the final game were cut short or left out. The bards college has files that allow you to play instruments, but instead, all we get in the actual game is the ability to recover a poem and attend a festival.
Bethesda writers watching this video: "write that down, write that down!"
This is underrated.
Severely underrated. It's actually depressing given how on point this likely is
The modern ES lore seems either non-existant or slapped together based on a series of coincidental events that could exolain the various phenomena
Ibusually find very little thought goes into the lore behind events or even preserving canon
Wish I could bump this to the top my guy.
@@Altair1243WAR that's how it's been most of the time, it's just been slapped together worse
I actually think some (if not most) of this more was actually genuinely considered to be implemented into the game and whatnot. Especially with the whole hagraven-like character design thing.
Whether because of time constraints, negative response in playtesting, because of the opinions of some boss at Bethesda, or for whatever reason, it was cut.
At least some of it was still left in the game.
This is interesting lore, and some of it it seems very plausibly true, at least to me.
"Your mother was a hagraven, and your father smelt of briarberries!"
And they met in the Penilus Copulatus faction led by Biggus Dickus
if he chooses illusion he never needs to comb it
I cast fireball in your general direction
Omg yus 😭
" 'this but a flesh wound!"
"Farewell."
After having replayed through as a wizard just recently, I have to say it’s entirely possible that rather then wanting the Augur to have access to anything, I felt it was more something like “Ancano is dangerous, he needs to die, the Dragon Priest in Labyrinthian will break out soon, need to deal with that, Savos Aren is unworthy as an Archmage for the coming age. The College of Winterhold, the only remaining beacon for proper magical education for the next generation, needs a more capable hand at the wheel.”
They waited and provided just enough guidance for you solve everything, forcing you to grow in the face of that adversity and become worthy of the role, then for the man in your way of a promotion to die, and more particularly the man who would be more suited to taking the role by seniority to witness you save the world first hand, and crush a Wizard who he couldn’t even touch, securing his recommendation you take the job. I found it VERY interesting when, at the end, they make a point of addressing you as Archmage, despite knowing very well you haven’t been given the position yet. They’re forcing the issue in a way.
In a sense, everything turned out perfectly for them.
This is an interesting theory. I'm not entirely sure I believe it, but you might be onto something here. Plus, adding to this, it's entirely possible for you to be both the Archmage of the college, as well as Thane of Winterhold, which would do wonders to start softening the local's opinions on magic, further helping to secure a future for the college.
I... find that interesting. I just don't buy it. I mean in a meta sense you're becoming the Archmage because Morrowind did it, then Oblivion did it. But there is a slight difference between how it's done in Morrowind and how it's done in Oblivion and Skyrim. In Morrowind you have to be.. at least mildly politically savvy to get the Archmage to step down, showing you might have some sense of how to deal with people. You also needed the stats that said you actually were good at magic in general. In at least a few fields. Having a strong grasp of magical theory, the skills and dangers involved, and the responsible uses of (theoretically).
In Oblivion and Skyrim however? Well... you don't need that magical expertise at all really. You don't need a deeper understanding of magic. In fact in Oblivion you actively are rejecting understanding magic in Necromancy because Traven is basically a radical lunatic on crusade. You were picked just because you were his tool for that Crusade and survived it. Really you should have been a Knight of the Lamp instead of the Archmage.
Similarly the College of Winterhold has a lot of things that needs particular skills and expertise. On the dangers of magic. Politics and how to diplomatically work with the Nords of Skyrim who are innately distrustful to Magic for the most part. You see a lot of dangers of inept use of magic, from you uncovering the Eye of Magnus to the Augur of Dunlain and our good friend there Arniel Ghosting himself, or how magic has made some members of the college a bit unstable (like Collette and the Illusion master).
Just at the end of the College of Winterhold? I don't feel like the Dragonborn really attained any level of mastery to really handle the job of "Archmage". They did, like Oblivion, achieve a status fitting of something like "Grand Protector of the College" perhaps. A blunt stick to enforce rules which is basically what you get with the Aftershock radiant quests and Tolfdir seemingly taking charge of the day to day stuff as the actual Archmage. That your title is basically an empty figurehead that doesn't even get used as a showpiece (Hell the NPC barks never even seem to realize you're the Archmage, thinking you're just a member still which supports it for me), that he gives you a fancy title and then just sends you out to kill things causing damage while he actually conducts the College's administration.
Though I honestly think Mirabelle would have been better. She was level headed. She was skilled. She seemed to have no problems handling people and getting respect out of them as pretty much no one has anything bad to say about her (Unlike Tolfdir). But well.. the games seem ill disposed to admitting the player might have limits and might not be the greatest thing ever. Heck I was mildly surprised that after the Civil War they didn't go "... you know what, forget Elisef, the Dragonborn is now High King of Skyrim!". I mean not ENTIRELY surprised. But there was definitely a part of me that figured there was like 25% odds on them doing it... Even though the Dragonborn similarly shows little signs of understanding the Nord culture, Skyrim's government, and so forth (he has to ask what Thanes and Jarls and Housecarls are after all).
So always kind of sad for me that Mirabelle was just killed with zero fanfare. Even though she was holding her own in a struggle against a mer with the power of the Eye of Magnus, dying a hero's death. They kind of treat it like "Oh and Rosenkrantz and Gilderstern are also dead".
@@hitomisalazar4073 You’re mastery of those things is assumed, of course. Some of the weight is on you as a role player to build yourself in such a way that you are, in fact, worthy of said position.
If you’re going by Lore, you are a nexus point of the God Head’s dream, a “Prisoner” the avatar of a Dreamer outside the God Head, in addition to being “The Last Dragon Born”. You are effectively a God, to the point where Hermeaus Mora, who can speak and unmake every other god in existence, puts on a production to entertain you. To appease you.
Mastering magic to you is literal child’s play. You can max all fields of it within days in game. Effortlessly.
You can interpret yourself as a “Blunt Stick” because you don’t try to fill in the role in a more role play styled way, and instead are just taking the game mechanics at face value.
And political savvy in Morrowind…? I recall you certainly COULD yes, but you likewise could just challenge him to a duel and murder him in the arena.
@@Neuviletteiudexofmemes
Well here's what I mean about worthy of the position. As a roleplayer, as I do try to roleplay these games. I see the role of Archmage not just "I have hit 100 in several schools of magic". That makes you that blunt stick I pointed out. You're power, but not Wisdom necessarily.
The role of Archmage (should at least) be something other than just a measurement of who has the most power.
And there's touches I liked out of other mages guilds I missed (or wish went longer).
Like the start of the Skyrim's Mage's guild I think is the best in the series, right until you get trapped in Saarthal. I like that when you get to Winterhold you'll find out about the tensions. You'll have someone halt you mentioning rowdy Nords looking for fights. You have to prove you are invested into being a mage to get past (I usually get tasked to summon a Flame Atronach, impossible unless you either put points into Magicka growth, were an Altmer by default, or put effort into Conjuration due to its over 100 point casting cost). You get a nice little lecture, a tour, a class on a new type of magic to the series (I just wish Wards actually were GOOD for anything really, they drain magicka way too fast to be useful without exploits). And the idea of going to Saarthal, to see how Ancient Nords lived and utilized magic is a fascinating idea. I want to know more. Like a more in depth version of the Lectures at the Arcane University in Oblivion where you could hear lessons on what the Doomstones are. Actual academics and understanding. Increasing wisdom, even if the Oblivion mage's guild didn't require any magical talent to speak of.
It's not something I have to make up out of, well really nothing because the story line doesn't give you that. I can always BS a reason. But considering the Dragonborn then almost assuredly faffs off to who knows where before Hermaus Mora consumes him and traps him in Apocrypha (I would be VERY surprised if that wasn't the canonical story come Elder Scrolls 6, if they mention anything, due to the general fear Bethesda has of establishing things about former main characters)... are you really worthy? You beat a threat. But what did you really do to prove yourself a leader? You saw Savros Aren's complete ineptitude in the Ghosts of the Labyrinthian Dungeon, so examples of what not to do I suppose.
I don't think the Psijiic Order was really grooming you for anything in terms of Leadership. I think they just saw it as a chance to claim the Eye of Magnus. Which did end up well for them.
Like I can respect the theory (probably a lot more satisfying than being a figurehead while Tolfdir actually runs everything for most people), don't get me wrong. It's not a personal thing. It's me pondering and thinking structure and just how I was feeling about things.
Though part of my general dislike of the Morrowind started trend of "We MUST make you a leader of all of Tamriel's X" is that... well they usually don't do a good job of framing it up for me, and they don't actually let you have that role regardless.
I think the Thieves' Guild in Skyrim is the best I ever felt about that style. Because instead of just getting to the end of the story line, you have to prove you're the best thief around. You have to work your butt off to make the Guild a presence across Skyrim again, making powerful contacts and friends that the guild can lean on. By the end of it? I feel like it was well deserved. And I feel like the greatest thief in the province. I even get a little tribute for my trouble showing that my title isn't just an empty platitude. Not asking for much, I can work with what's provided. But those little touches. Makes the difference for me. Touches I felt lacking from the Mage's Guild where I do technically have to use magic (Making it better than Oblivion's in that regard). But... I don't feel like the wisest academic by the end of it. And considering my only reward is a bedroom in a place that already had a bedroom, access to crafting tables in a place that already had crafting tables, a title that does nothing, and Tolfdir running everything anyway while I'm gone? I dunno. Just something missing.
As cliche as it is to say, I do think "Mods fix this" is one solution. As I recall one where they bootlegged in a Spellmaker, after you completed the questline. And the idea that somehow in all those events you gained the wisdom and insight to create new spells was something to fit that. And it was fun running around with things like a Cloak of Fear and Frost spell on hand or a Sticky Flamethrower (like the Wall of X destruction spells) of Paralysis spell.
Other solution was if there was some extra quest line/stage after that involving the city of Winterhold itself. Maybe having the college help rebuild it, or depose Korir out of fear of him storming the place eventually, or something that could have made it feel a bit more satisfying and solve a lingering tension that otherwise goes unaddressed.
@@hitomisalazar4073 My point though is that, that 100 in a magic should mean more then “my spells go vroooom”. It’s up to us to make mean something. If you’re point was that the College drops you too fast into the chosen one stuff, I agree, which is why I always use mods to stall the quests between reporting to Savos about the eye, and when it appears in the college and Psyjics visit. So I can live a life in the college, “research” the cool modded spells in things like Midas (which need rare ingredients across Skyrim to secure) do the various other mage related mods installed bit by bit. Set off on other ruin delves to modded in dungeons (which I’ve modded to have better rewards and spells in to offset their massive size and scope). Bit by bit, become someone worthy of being Archmage, in your play-through, then trigger the Eye “finally being excavated and placed in the college”.
But you said something else interesting to me.
Hermeaus trapping the last Dragonborn in Apocrypha…?
Now why would he do that~? He already got what he wanted. We, the audience, were entertained by a huge storyline in which he got to be our ally. On our side. People are invested in him, now, he’s a fan favorite God.
And what happened as a result of that? It was retroactively established that he’s the most powerful god in the verse, and stands unopposed in his quest to obtain all knowledge.
That portal he makes for us is canon, and it’s OBVIOUSLY canon. Because his motive, from the start, WAS you. He could have killed Miraak at any moment. On a whim. Why let his plan go so far? Because ol Herma Mora is a trickster first and foremost, and with his sight of the tides of fate always did he know how this would play out. He didn’t just want a Dragon Born as a Trophy.
He wanted the hearts and minds of those beyond the Godhead on his side. And sure enough it handed him the world.
Remember that he may put on a good act, but Herma Mora is Meta as all hell. He’s very much aware of the worlds nature, that we could turn him off at any given moment, and that his world will end truly and utterly, with no Kalpa recycle, the moment we lose interest in it. So as the master of fate ( and the puppet master who controls all other gods if he needs to we now realize from Onlines new expansion) why wouldn’t he manipulate things to keep them entertaining? Why wouldn’t he set the world up for Elder Scrolls 6, 10, 20 Etc.
Hermeaus will probably always avoid directly becoming the players enemy, because why wouldn’t he?
He knows he’d have to lose.
It kinda makes me sad that there was no speech option that says "tolfdir says hello"
That has to be one of the biggest over sights of Bethesda and a true shaem, it would have made for other responses from the augur also
I’ve been frustrated about this for years, I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure there are a couple other instances like this too I just can’t think of them right now
@@steviesiepler1493 one i just encountered that frustrates me is mallus maccius asking you to 'put in a good word with maven' for him. there's no option to do so. and that was a bit annoying, but on top of that, if you visit him again after the meadery quest, he tells you to tell maven that things are going well. STILL NO DIALOGUE OPTION. twice with the same character!
@@jamgin9890 exactly!!! I want to know how Maven talks to people a little more
@@jamgin9890
That is such a tiny, insignificant thing to get enraged over.
Man, all that power with restoration magic and still he couldn't restore the hair on the top of his head. :/
Okay, I think the Augur was trying to invoke a powerful spell to grow hair out on his head, BUT the powers for such a spell were too great and it overwhelmed him causing the Great Collapse! o_o Thus the spell only worked half-way, sure he was no longer bald (cause his physical form was annulled) but he didn't get the hair he wanted to neither.
Mystery - SOLVED! :D You're welcome.
You're research about his origin as a son of a Hagraven was pretty cool too though! :)
Thus the moral of the story is to be satisfied with the look nature gave you. :)
@@Ivanus59 I like that:)
*what*
Can't restore what doesn't exist to begin with.
3 HOURS...I repeat myself 3 HOURS about some weird magic energy guy in an ice cave...you already know that I am going to binge that through right?
I wish you luck!
Almost halfway there, this is a thick one
It makes you wonder how he records all of this, I don’t have the mental fortitude to sit for this long.
Update: not done yet but holy jeezus
@@Camelworks Shezarr bless and keep you, Camel. You are an absolute legend. This is exactly why I’ve stayed a patron of yours (on Patreon) for years. I don’t ask for daily, weekly, or monthly uploads. I just ask for your best. 🔥 🐐
I listen to this all the time. Its an amazing video so i don’t mean any disrespect, but it’s perfect to fall asleep too. It’s like the perfect adult bedtime story but for elder scrolls nerds. Thank you, camelworks. This is a masterpiece. Unreal effort and execution. Perfect perfect perfect
Except the nightmare fuel at the end of the video
@@Reign_Dropz NO FR CUZ I WOKE UP TO THAT A FEW NIGHTS AGO IN A LEGIT PANIC
Literally I remember in whatever dream I was having it turned into a gore-filled ritual really fast because of that and then I woke up sweating and squirming 💀
Camel's videos are always great bedtime stories for nerds! But this one is full-nap length. *chef's kiss*
ngl I do the same ahahahah
@@cv799 Where does it start? I'm always deep asleep by then lol
ah yes, The Augur Of Dunlain, the guy who took up 30 minutes of my time speaking at 1 word per minute
"Oh cool, snack break time"
Damn that must mean camel is the augur of dunlain
@WorldUnited was literally just gonna say this. That fuckers way worse🤣
tbh i jus read subtitles :/
@@ThePersia450 now. I. Can. Give. You. Know-----ledge
Is basically how fast he talks lol
All that restoration magic... and he couldn’t revive his hairline
@@thedocilefish nah he would need a bachelor or even a doctorate in conjuration to do that
Can't restore something you never had lol you need to conjure it
@@dannahbanana11235 it should be alteration, who the hell want daedra hair
You can't Restore hair in area where no existing roots grow in it to begin with. Maybe a combination of Alteration on the skin is possible. Similar on alternate your lungs to be able to breath underwater from a spell.
The Augur was thought to be immortal and invincible... Until THAT BURN...
*52:45** minutes into the video*
Camel: so firstly,
1. The cinematography done in this video is fucking phenomenal...
2. To say you've dove down a rabbit hole and made a theory that actually makes sense just tows to show why I like these vids when watching, enjoy watching these when I'm grinding games and just the amount of detail put in is spectacular.
I swear if camel ever does a fallout detective... my brain would explode like a nuclear bomb.
Calm down there, fat man /s
You don't like oxhorn?
In Polish we have a word which sounds almost exactly like 'augur.' It is spelled 'ogór' and means 'big cucumber."
Pooh Pefner wow nice ogór you have there
But the accent is on "ó"
Big cucumber of dunlain
Thank you Poland, very cool.
@ked Augur used to be a stundent here in the college, but now he is... Well, he turned himself into a pickle. Funniest shit i've ever seen.
This could be Camel's magnum opus. This is longer and more enjoyable than most feature films.
More like....Magnus opus (sorry) :D
@@Shushpo get out :D
@ XD I'll find the door
@@Shushpo what a load of hocus opus.
I agree this is seriously epic
When comes to awkward conversation in elderscrolls, there are plenty to choose from, but the interaction between the psijic monk and ancano after he unfreezes time is at least top 5
I’m not sure I understand
In Karthwasten there's a male nord and a female orc that are constantly hitting on each other but due to cultural differences the other one doesn't get it. It's hilarious.
@@rustyjones7908 knowing Nord culture I assume it is the Orc that is not being direct enough but knowing Orsimer I can't imagine her not being direct
@@PyrusFlameborn She invites him to hunt with her. He's kind of dense tbh
@@rustyjones7908 Seems icebrains is a common problem with a lot of Nords.
This video perfectly encapsulates why I love the Elder Scrolls series. They don’t just tell you stories in an expositional dump. They show you the world that is the result of those stories and allow the player to figure out what happened
you absolutely fall in love with the souls games if you dont play those already for that same reason than
im obsessed with those games, elden ring is the best so far with all its stories and the way the game play handles
i kinda wish they never told us the bugs in jars meant nothing xD
@tavrosnitram1529 those absolute garbage games have no story and are the most boring piles of horse manure ever created. Each gane is a copy and paste. They are the literal cancer of gaming and the most laziest form of games ever made. Definition of a sheep right here.
I was really unconvinced at the beginning. Then I saw his face, now I'm a believer.
same!!
NOT A TRACE
OF DOUBT IN MAH MIIIIND
Im in love
I read this comment, went to look for a different video because I’ve already seen this one, and right before I clicked it, I fucking realized
Oooh I'm a believer
Im telling you there's a vampire under that well that has MASTERED candlelight
When you're a master of clairvoyance, but the Jarl has the hold on lockdown because ataxia has become a pandemic, and you have nowhere to go.
And teaches Master level Restoration capable of burning vampires? Idk bro 😅
@@Tao-fp3yr who better to teach you about ending vampires than a vampire ?
@@Striflek I think that's more or less the plot of Immortal Blood isn't it
@@PsychShrew yep precisely, what a read
the amount of information camel has on Elder Scrolls is insane. He can LITERALLY talk about one subject for HOURS.
If you like this stuff, check out Fudgemuppet too. I watch them both
The power of reading
2:02:36 That all sounds like it was written by the devs or someone to tell someone else how Septimus Signus's iceberg should be laid out. They might have translated one of their own notes into that page just for fun, or as something fun for fans to decode.
Very possible
Kinda like how the translated text to "N'gasta! Kvata! Kvakis!" talks about websites & emails. It's not info that has anything to do with TES, it's just something funny the developers put in.
Camel: *uploads 3 hour video on Skyrim*
Me: Honey, call me when dinner is done. I'm not leaving the office space until dinner because some Australian man made a Lord of the Rings length video on a giant talking orb of light.
An orb that lives in a random cave with weird cultist shit all over it.
Honey,come in and watch. You wish to achieve Chim together?
Every LOTR movie is approximately an hour longer than this investigation, in fact. Though either are directed in the finest of ways, so it's not even a bit tiresome to watch!
Raising the bar man. This is really inspiring, being able to pull this off is incredible. This is my favorite lore channel on TH-cam not just for Elder Scrolls. Thanks for making such great entertainment but also for being crazy enough to make epic stuff like this and motivate others.
Bro, between Camel, Fudgemuppet and EpicNate, I think I could write a graduate class on Elder Scrolls Lore.
@@chrisvandergriff504 yes, but sadly Nate haven’t uploaded lately
Dude, you managed to compete with Tex of the black pants legion in depth of analysis. That deserves some kind of prize.
@@StonyCarrot1001 Turns out his hiatus ended up being over a year long. Man must've found some pretty great stuff to do irl, though he's finally back so be ready for more Fallout/Elder Scrolls lore :)
@@heckingbamboozled8097 ya I’ve seen his newer videos but the time between them is kinda long
Looks like ya \done lain\ this mystery to rest
This comment made my face scrunch up, which I appreciate
Ohhhhhhhh.
You monster
11/10, best comment seen on the internet this year. Shor’s bones, we _just might have to_ send you an award for your excellency in commenting.
*Please accept this trophy and custom medal for your efforts:* 🏆 🥇
Thank you?
So I found your channel after doing some research for the Augur of the Obscure from ESO. I've been playing ESO on XBox since day one and to this day, the Augur of the Obscure is hands down, my favorite NPC character in all of the Elder Scrolls games. That being said, when I found this video as one of the results that came up in my search, naturally I was intrigued. ANOTHER AUGUR?! And then once I started watching this, I realized how easily and how many times while playing Skyrim, the Augur of Dunlain didn't even register with me in memories! BUT MY GOSH, my dude! I have rewatched this video no less than 20 times and have totally become a CamelWorks addict. Love all your ElderScrollsvideos!! And yes, if you did one on the Augur of the Obscure - I would lose my mind! Glad I found this channel!!
Damn I didnt even know the augur of the obscure existed. I NEED to play ESO man...
I think most of us can agree that this guy works so hard for his channel. He's probably at the top of youtuber I so major respect.
Ah i see you went a bit over the 10 minute mark
He’s such a shameless cash grabber!
Just a bit
All these youtubers putting in pointless filler just to edge their video past that golden 10 minute mark.
This video is one of the most atrocious examples of it yet!
Money grubbers, all'of'um 😤
To anyone who has heard of the College questline a million times already and has done the Restoration Mastery quest, turn to page 24:00
Why doesn't this have more likes
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@@GunGun-cf3ss 69 Likes are good enough. ;D
I just watched this in one sitting. You got me hooked from the very beginning and delved into a topic I didn't even pay attention to when playing. This was awesome, thank you so much for your work and dedication, there is no one out there who does the same as you with equivalent quality. MASTERPIECE
"... You blindly follow a path to your own destruction."
Buddy, I'm playing Skyrim, I'm blindly blundering my way through everything I do.
Tbh that sounded like a Gravemind Quote from Halo
This is definitely the most relatable thing I've read
mages at the college of winterhold: what kind of magic is this? how am i to study this spell if i do not know what kind of magic i am doing??
the reachmen: MAGIC IS MAGIC
It makes sense when prior games have let us craft spells with custom effects.
Maybe Winterholding back all the Nord mages ;)
Magic is *nature
@@benjamminraps1030 underrated pun
If my hairline looked like that I'd wanna ascend too.
I feel like this is severely underrated
@@RandomPerson-or7di I know this masterpiece comment should be pinned. 🙌
I think it's important to remember that the Augur of Dunlain's dialogue can't be skipped, similar to Daedric Prince's and if you exit conversation with him, you're forced to restart. So perhaps he's on a similar level to them. Or, perhaps, the very same storm that destroyed winterhold managed to destroy the wards as well. Perhaps, there were indeed strong wards around the college but the storm was managing to destroy them, so the augur of dunlain tried to do an experimental spell to strengthen the wards by connecting himself to them and using one of his unique spells to try to keep the college safe(and in the process try to take a large amount of the magic into himself) . Unfortunately, all he managed to do is extend the wards until just before the storm ended, losing his body in the process, with his soul still being connected to the college's Magicks, which would explain the damage the college still has as well. And if those wards were placed long ago, perhaps the mages at the time didn't know how to replace them. One problem I have with your theory is that, as far as I can tell, the Augur is bound to the magic flowing through the college, and the only way for him to leave would be by taking all the magic with him since it is him, yet the magic still remains after the whole college questline is complete.
Never mind. You addressed it
🤓
Recently did all Daedric quests, I remember being able to skip only the dialogue of those who have a body like Sanguine and Sheogorath. There's also Meridia, that has default body movement but with a spark of light texture.
@@dinogen2prototype188 no Friends?
hircine is a real dude named cernunos
@@dinogen2prototype188 you are watching a video about a fictional glowing ball. Grow up man
Shit I was wrong. And I specifically remember telling a guy it was probably not about the Augur, now I must commit seppuku to keep my honor.
What part of it ?
We will never know. It would seem he committed sappuku
Reality is often dissapointing
Character development real lol
No no no, seppuku will restore your honor.
"Just like a good Friday night, we're going deep."
Okay, okay, *_CHILL._*
The amount of little one liners he drops throughout the video is hilarious.
I think this may be one of my favourite videos that not just you as a creator has produced, but on TH-cam as a whole. I watched the entire thing snuggled up on my sofa with my dog and it's the happiest I've been for months. It's also helped me sleep, I play this in the background and it's helping me deal with my inability to sleep due to mental issues.
Thank you so much for this video man
Same here buddy.... 👍
fun fact: this video is longer than the time it takes to be promoted to Arch Mage in game
Just watched the whole video in a single sitting and didn't feel bored or burned out by it at all. Only the highest craftsmanship can achieve such a feat. Brilliant job Camel!
Fr man I watched the whole 3 hours and I didn’t get bored for a single minute
Can someone make a mod called "The ogre of dunlain" which changes the augurs visual and voice to shreks?
I’d install that and replay the quest line just to see it
lol
all you would need to do is take all of shrek's voice lines throughout all of the movies and cut them up to form all the lines that Augur says or hire brock baker to do the lines
someBODY
you're gonna have to get Mike Myers on the phone for that
That excerpt from Shalidor’s Insights really looks like a note/memo from a writer or quest designer to an artist or level designer, describing what the cell needed to look like for Septimus’ quest to take place there. The same artist or another in the same department probably needed some mysterious looking text to put into Shalidor’s Insights, and they had that note lying around, so they used it, probably with the expectation that nobody would bother trying to translate it.
100% agree.
I think you’re 100% correct It’s definitely a Description intended for a designer likely a texture artist to get A rough idea of what is needed it’s just filler text that they had laying around
But It gives us a little insight into the process of the making of the game
Something something Godhead.
Interesting and very agreeable, still very strange about hermaus Moras book having the colleges design in the book. Mabye shalidor did know things he shouldn’t have
Agreed completely. While I love many of Camel's theories, I hate to say that I just don't think Bethesda thought this deep. While I lowkey accept this as my headcanon, I think its more likely many that Bethesda knows as much about the Augur of Dunlain as we do. Which is almost nothing. And IF this was Bethesda's plan all along, they need to be working for the CIA or something, not a game studio XD The Internet can figure out almost any mystery and its truth in about a year or 2.
I just recently discovered this channel because I fell asleep on a FudgeMuppet video and woke up to the CCC series. Am I glad about that! Camel, you are amazing! I’ve never watched a video for three hours straight. Seriously, props to you for such dedication to the theories you and the community come up with. I’ve just joined the Discord and I’m so excited to be part of such a cool and curious;) community. Thanks, Camel!
How Curious
"Pspsps J'zargo c'mere"
Dude I straight up lost it right there lmao
First Collete talks about him like she hardly believes in a spooky story told to her in freshman year and then she talks about him like grandma remembering her first spring fling.
this is the single best way to have explained anything ever
I have no idea what age colette is supposed to be
Thank you my good man, you just answered lots of questions which were fudging many of the players' minds for nearly a decade. The itching of my soul has now ended, my sincerest thanks ^_^
Aman allahım Türk buldum 😅
@@somenitrogenconsumer8859 gel gel, burada çok güzel ortamlar xD
Seni burda görmeyi beklemiyordum harbiden hatta vidyoyu izlerken arkadaki şarkı senin san andreas vidyolarını hatırlattı
This has got to be one of the greatest lore/theory videos of all time. It really goes places you wouldn't expect, and highlights a compelling history of the region this game takes place in.
There should have been an option for the Player:
Dragonborn: Tolfdir says 'Helllo'
Augur: ....... Return to him with the same.
To be fair, that would be really cute.
I was so sad to find out I couldn't give him Tolfdir's greetings tbh. I'd have loved to see that happen
Bethesda has included that kinda thing before and I was extremely disappointed to not have it as an option. With all the obscure hidden dialogue in game it’s almost surprising how this small thing was overlooked. And then I remember how the entire College quest line seemed overlooked
When I first played the college's quest line, I audibly said "Wait, that's it?" I had completed the Companion's and thieves guild, so I was incredibly underwhelmed by the College
The Augur neither lives nor dies - in a sense he flees the collapse into magic. He remains in a liminal state. A bit like Magnus. Magnus did not refuse to participate in creation like a Daedra but he didn't stay to lose his power like an Aedra, he fled back to Aetherius before convention becoming a Magne Ge and tearing the hole of the sun. Ever the liminal state. The Augur might have been trying to mantle Magnus? Ie Like Tiber Septim mantles Lorkhan. And what more could there be in the acquisition of magic power than to mantle the god of magic?
i thought chim was mantling the godhead itself? ive only watched the one video but im p sure thats what he said
Dude, you just had to hit the 10 minute mark hadn’t you.
I know, what a scummy bastard!
Didn’t you*
@@shawndonq135 I am very deliberate in my word choice :>
@@Jazzmettazz understandable, have a nice day.
I always assumed that this was the ultimate spell in restoration. It’s literally the opposite of death so I figure this was lichdom minus the whole living corpse thing. This is the equal of a Jedi force ghost. The dark side makes u a lich inhabiting a body that can be dead while the light side makes you a force ghost.
Kinda like this idea
Interesting and well said
THIS folks, this is what keeps me from quitting skyrim after 7 years of playing, camel, fudgemuppet and zaric are the best thing that has ever happened to this loveable community
Agreed.
+Epicnate
@WoodPileDenmark
Zaric Zhakaron I belief his name was. Another Elder Scrolls youtuber.. It is 1 of the oldest Elder Scrolls lore channels..
@WoodPileDenmark you aren’t funny
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This is longer than endgame
Longer than Return of The King, too
@@peterlane7128 if you watch the pleb version, sure
And it’s better too
@@tuwkkake_ just imagining the amount of Cheeto dust caked into ones weeaboo incel finger tips as one types that thought.
@@Nicolas.Vincent im pretty sure Cheeto eating weeaboo incels watch the short version of the film and true chads prefer the extended one ;)
the translated writing inside Shalidor’s insights sounds like a developers description of how the outpost should look
Ye it sounds like they just found some random dev notes and thought they looked cool in the book. The way its described sounds like its from the perspective of developers and not someone perceiving the future.
@@ekaylor4104 With the notes being canon, it could be viewed as Shalidor writing this part of the song that Magnus laid out.
@@dard1515 but in a way it’s also really cool because it’s like shalidor has tapped into the way the world around him is designed by some exterior force
@@mikewalker9057 He basically achieved CHIM
I think that's exactly what it is. Devnote easter egg.
Maybe the Auger of Dunlain wanted to merge with the Eye of Magnus, explaining him leaving after these events. Perhaps the Eye is also tied to the availability of magic on Tamriel, as well, and the Order wanted him to merge with it to make magic all the more powerful.
Ahh, the event with the Strom that swallowed the city was not enough, but he knew that the eye of Magnus would come along later, giving him the final push to ascend to godhood.
An ES Detective that’s longer than a CCC video? Alright, let’s go.
"Ghartok", "Chim" and "Altadoon" are also names of a few actual Elder Scrolls, you encounter them in ESO in Cyrodiil.
They are words in Ehlnofex, this just translates to elder scroll of royalty, of right hand (weapon hand), and of a weapon.
@@hyperbros96 "I have become the killing hand of Padomay in the splendor of starlight, I am a weapon."
Pelinal anyone?
Me after watching for an hour: well that's it, he's a hagraven's son what else is there to say? *checks to see the video length again*
Same lol i was oh shit i still got like 2 hours
"Arniel, you're going to zero-sum soon, so best spill the beans."
This fucking sent me lmao
So wait, Moira and I could have had a family together?
That makes me feel even worse for ruining our marriage.
You shouldn't have chosen that hussy Esmeralda
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But, I mean, have you seen those glossy feathers ?
Dude.
tfw you can't get that sweet hagrussy
This makes me feel like my position as Arch Mage is just being a puppet to the Augur and the Psijic. I guess it's in their interest to have a gullible tool like me in that position.
It actually makes sense that we would be the arch mage with this rather than one of the elder mages, it's a conspiracy for others to get to their ends
gullable fool? speak for youreself!
Same goes for the imperial legion, the stormcloaks and the blades
Well jokes on them, my the moment my character catches the wind of her being manipulated heads will start rolling and boy oh boy do I like to see them try fighting Alteration/Restoration/Conjuration Dragonborn master armed with The Stuff of Magnus and plethora of daedric artifacts
What I meaning is that trying to control Dragonborn who might very well be canonically the most powerful mortal that currently walks on Tamriel very, veeeeery bad idea. Then again, Elder Scrolls lore full of people looking at VERY BAD NO GOOD DON DO IT idea and go like "I am a genius, what could go wrong?"
@@exploertm8738 it is implied on several occassions (like when asking Neloth to teach you enchanting) that the skill level 100 cap isn't the maximum that can be reached, but simply is for you as the player - Neloth implies that he is skilled beyond the 100 level cap. It makes sense, given how in Morrowind you could go above 100.
So... don't assume just because all of your skills are at 100 that you are indestructible and superior to everyone. There are skills which are obviously there in the lore that are inaccessible in the games themselves.
Augr is also eerily similiar to the icelandic word "auga" which means eye. Skyrim takes alot of inspiration from nordic languages like for example draugr - icelandic: draugur which means ghost so this could maybe be connected
“The Hag-Blood Prince”
"You dare use my arcane knowledge against me, Dovahkiin? Yes... I am The. Hag. Blood. Prince."
@@destructiveraider LOL I love the name!
@@jettchou962 Haha, thanks!
@@femboyroxas *Dew it*
*Sees new video*
"Oh sweet, Camel has uploaded; Augur of Dunlain Mystery Exposed? Sweet, I always wanted to know who he wa-"
*3:02:29
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"Mother of God."
This was my reaction.
Only Camel could keep me interested in an entire 3 hour spoken essay on an obscure, one of the MOST obscure, fictional character in a video game. Well done Camelboi!
I don't know if you realized this but in the video about Reyda, you bring up how the court wizard of Riften writes a letter to the college asking about a "cloud emulsifier" and that they don't know any such device or any magic used to control storms, which being so common on Nirn is odd but makes perfect sense if they were trying to hide their role in the storms
I was surprised that you never mentioned the fact that the College of Winterhold insignia, which is supposed to be the eye of magnus, looks eerily similar to Hermaeus Mora.
If They hadn’t simplified the pantheon I’d say they’re paying tribute to herma mora but hey
Yeah well,... because that would be touching on the unholy source of not only magick itself but also - and much more! - on the source of the school of Winterhold. Immortality, becoming a god or god-like and power through (forbidden) knowledge: haven't we all heard about this before?!
Magick, its providers and users are what causes ALL the devastation in this fantasy world.
And that fact is rather uncomfortable for most fans of the franchise. I guess that's why the matter of the human sacrifice and the destruction of a city is little more than a side note in this video.
@@saymyname2417 you chose the Warrior Stone, didn't you?
@@heresthadude1080 - I did indeed!
@@saymyname2417 =Laughs in Lichdom=
I'd really like to point out the AUGUR says "You are not the first to visit me, but you MAY be the last." How can someone with such powerful foresight be unsure about an outcome like this?
Perhaps something like in Dune, where there are certain people they cannot see the true future of, or under certain circumstances.
may could also mean can btw
the future is mutable.
I dunno. I always took it as ' You are not the first to seek my knowledge/secrets, but you may be the first to obtain them.'
he doesn't see the future he sees possible paths
Id be curios to see an Elder Scrolls Detective video on the Ebony Warrior.
I don't think there's much to the Ebony Warrior beyond in-universe being an aspect of Ebonarm and, in a meta sense, being a parallel to the player. A cool character, but perhaps not worthy of an Elder Scrolls Detective investigation.
He is the classic "one punch man" story
I don't know the exact lore but through his words and the words of npcs such as guards the conclusion is that he has extreme wanderlust, he wanted to do everything when he meets the Dragonborn perhaps he seeks a challenge or just someone who can finally defeat him
Watch MrRhexxs video on him, explores the ebonarm theory
Probably Nazeem's hidden second life
I forget who but Ive seen a skyrim youtube video about him before, his npc is a red guard and the line of dialogue he says is something about going to sovngarde. his body is also 30% larger than most npcs. I think their theory was he was a spectre of a certain war god or something. Im sure someone else in the comments will know much better than me, thats just what I remember from the video. (possibly in one of epicnate's videos but very unsure)
Two points:
1: The wards could simply protect the structure itself, not its occupants. Wards might get in the way of experiments if they block magical energies from being accessed or sent out.
2: When the Augur speaks of "your" college, it may just be that he's talking about the who make up the college rather than the structure itself. He has at best a tenuous connection to the people currently at the college.
The moment I saw the notification, I dropped what I was doing. They're gonna hate me at work today, but I'm ignoring them until I get through this.
There is also a livestream of Beyond Skyrim Bravil walkthrough on its official channel. Enjoy😊😊
@@dartharyeshzilla7909 yeah, that's next on my watch list. Good thing I don't work tomorrow!
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Not to mention, Gopher's latest Skyrim video. : P
"Most MYSTERIOUUS Character"
*Laughs in M'aiq the Liar*
who is this ?
@@enzo8828 exactly
*LAUGHS IN J’ZARGO*
A line of people donning the same name for some reason
M'aiq is either a Shezarrine, a line of Khajiit who share the name, or a dude super high on skooma.
Enthir:
"I'm fear no man. But that thing."
*Auger of Dunlain.*
"It scares me."
Something to mention about unskippable dialogue.
It only applies to voice lines that have voice effects put on them, which _most_ daedra have. Similarly, the Augur has a voice effect, and cannot be skipped.
There is one Daedra for instance that doesn't talk with a voice effect and can be skipped, though I forget who it is.
It seems less developer intended and more engine limitation.
Two: Uncle Sheo and Sanguine both talk normally.
Goddammn this man dove head first into the biggest rabbit whole In fiction and burst back out with the rabbit
he got the rabbit, the rabbits wife, and the rabbits little rabbits.
The elder scrolls exist because of Todd Howard, who exists because of the elder scrolls. But deep down he's actually Nazeem and the lucid modder guides the dream
Perhaps the second half...
*continues* to exist, maybe. But he didn't work on the series until Redguard. So he's not at all the father of the series.
Just like a daedra, he speaks VERY slowly and his dialogue cannot be skipped (atleast in oldrim)
This video is a masterpiece deserving of an award. Of all the factions in Skyrim, I like the College of Winterhold most, though I'm likely in the minority. Having only played Skyrim for 2 years, I was ignorant of the prior games. What little I did learn helped shape the backstory of one character I created and it also lead me to the belief that souls were needed to ascend in power. I believe Tolfdir knew the Augur because I consider Colette, who is younger, more honest. It's also interesting how she speaks of the Augur when you do the Restoration Ritual.
Fabulous work. I look forward to seeing other videos on this channel even if I'm years behind everyone else.
Side note: You can partially skip the dialog of Meridia and Sheogorath.
When I first saw the augur,I thought you created it, and my exact thought were,
"He made him look like a hag raven"
My mind blew out of my skull when I found his character in the creation kit
@@Camelworks yea that's an awesome find, good work mate
Holy shit well done man. I can't imagine the effort and skill needed to put together a video this long.
This is the Elder Scrolls equivalent of a dnd player telling the DM their idea of what’s happening in the story and the DM scratching out his original notes and saying “yep that’s exactly what it is”
I can agree with this
so idk if anyone found this out yet, but the moth priest Dexion Evicus in the dawnguard DLC, also mentions augur in the context of the Ancestor Moth and reading the elder scrolls
...Hermaeus Mora, also known by many other names...
Me:Tentacle Daddy.
"there's mister Talking Plant again" my girlfriend only calls it that
My thought was "he who talks too slowly"
I call him Herma-Mora like the Skald do.
"I am a state of splendor and starlight." Yeah, that just about fits my personality.
What if the Dragonborn impregnated the Hagraven in Sanguines quest?
Hagraven Dragonborn? Oh God!?
Well since you kill her it's not going to come too much.
Imagine a hagraven/dragonborn egg somewhere.
>.> what if the character was female?
that'd be a powerful child for sure
@@The214thRabidFangirl I didn't, lol. My game bugged out last time and she didn't attack me, so I farmed some hagraven feathers/claws from her house, give her a big ole kiss and went to torture some nearby vampires.
Don't comment often, but this is probably the 4th time I've watched this video so I thought I just say how much I enjoyed this. The analysis fleshes out the college's story in such an interesting and engaging way.
Here’s a fun game, Take a shot every time camel says “The Augur of Dunlain”
Please don’t, you’ll die 4 minutes in
Ii cannet stands... ii fforrfit this challeingei
Ah well, your cadaver will be well preserved, at least.
You'll need that revive power the hagravens have if you try that.
Your gonna kill some people my dude
Noooo. You can't use tolfdir voice as a evidence of him hiding something considering all of these lines are shot at different times, And that he was an actual old man. Not to mention he was sick for many years. So during that recording session he may have not been feel exactly chipper.
Fun fact Tolfdir was played by George Coe. The same man who voiced Woodhouse in the series "Archer".
May he rest in peace.
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Agreed, if anything communicative comes through in the intonation or inflection of these games' voice acting, it is unintentional.
I wouldn't say ALL. Some of it is likely intentional BUT I do consider this more of an exception given the evidence
Kinda say we may never really know, because it could just be good acting
Holy crap I didn't realize Tolfdir was Woodhouse. Now I'm never going to unhear it. Rest in piece George Coe.
"Shall I get the aquarium gravel, sir dragonborn?"
The “Murder” in “a murder of crows” is a collective noun, not the plural of crow.
The plural of “crow” is “crows”.
Other examples of “collective nouns” are:
A “pod” of whales,
A “parliament” of owls,
A “batch” of cake,
A “gang” of thieves,
A “flight” of butterflies,
A “disguising” of tailors,
And so on and so forth.
My fave is a wake of vultures
Commitee also works
Don't forget 'a pandemonium of parrots'
A "business" of ferrets is my favorite.
A 'wank' of grammar Nazis.
Dang i was watching some other video on camelworks then all of a sudden i wake up halfway through a 3 hour essay on auger of dunlain 😂 bravo
this here is the soul of youtube itself.
A random 3 hour video about a sentient ball of light showed up in my recommendations, and you can bet your sweet ass that imma watch every second of it
College of winterhold is influenced by hermaeus mora's black books
On it
@@Camelworks Don’t forget that the Ogmha Infinium has symbols that resemble a birds eye view of the college
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Already *IN* *THIS* video!
Archmage shalidor did seem crazy enough
@@eliascorrea8573 he created a maze which had ties it daedra
I would read that quote from the card game as something like "I am the change of fists into the weapons of royalty"? Or perhaps if we want to insert a lot more words, I am one who used/uses fists and became/will become one who uses the weapons of royalty", which would be an implication of ascension- if we assume the weapons of royalty(or starlight or...) refers to magic, this could be nords speaking to their desire to go beyond their martial ancestry and partake in the secrets of magic. It could be something like a school moto?