@@thenextlayer Hi im 13 year old struggling to get a job but have alot of spare time so I would love to try and do a application to try and do your editing I'll do it for free and maybe later down the line I'll charge 2 dollars per video, I love your videos but I my opinion it can be modified abit to make it better. Just being able to get experience and getting to try and work with you would make my year.
Have you considered using a pin grid array for the USB connection then you would only need one cable and a set of pads on the tool head it would have the contact pins on the printer base then on the tool head some contact pads since USB is hot pluggable should work automaticaly
I like your build concept a lot. I think it's ideal there are a few variations available, as then people can choose whatever build works best for their budget and needs. I jumped in and started dong stuff before I knew all of the details, which means I have to do stuff again. Hopefully your proper planning gives you a smoother path.
I’m flattered you responded 🥹 I’m a huge fan! I’m realizing that my planning isn’t as extensive as I thought, for example, with the USB hub… but we shall see, and learn from one another! Following your build closely!
I'd settle for a three toolhead setup. Three colors would give a decent amount of 'pop' for most of my designs, and would also allow printing with a second material type for removable supports. There is also the possibility of assigning one toolhead to an ERCF MMU to extend color selection for those special use cases.
I'm really excited to see this build as I think tool changers are definitely the way to go for multi-material / colour printing! The SV08 looks like a great place to start, and I'm interested to see a different approach than the already excellent work done by Michael on his channel. If I was building out a tool changer, I think I'd probably approach it like you, allow for as many tool heads as possible, but only build out 1 or 2 to start and then decide what I want next as and when needed - also it keeps the costs down and avoids a big-bang upgrade that might go really poorly and result in having nothing. I really like the idea of having heads with different nozzle sizes, allowing for fast printing with a large nozzle, then switching to a smaller size for the detailed bits... not sure how easy that would be to pull off with current slicers, but with time I expect this could gain more support. Finally, I know that the parts were received from sponsors, but could we have an itemised costing for those of us interested to follow the same route? Or at least "budget X dollars in 1 time costs to support multi-head (USB hub, gantry dock, etc.) then Y dollars per additional tool head" Keep up the good work, I'm looking forward to the next videos
Thanks Johnathan! I've been wondering about hotend upgrades for the SV08. This is giving me some food for thought. Looking forward to the rest of the build videos!
@@b3owu1f Honestly its cool with alot of people.. even me.. but when you gotta rub it in to everyone that you get your stuff for free, or only had to pay $31 dollars all together for an entire multi toolhead printer for half baked content thats when its kinda like an F U to the viewer that HAS to pay outrages prices for this stuff... Im honestly out too.. Its embarrassing to be sassing a viewer like that all while in the same view praising TeachingTech who isnt just a marketing plant... Hopefully dude doesnt get his grubby hands on TT because his content is fire
@b3owu1f sure, your question would stand if he didn't mention budget. why should he mention budget if he wasn't realistically constrained to one like anyone else would be?
One thing to keep in mind with the CF impregnated filaments is carbon shedding. Pre and post printing, these materials shed a fair amount of material which is readily apparent under a microscope, even with engineering grade filament. I'm getting setup to print CF filaments and I'm going to test different methods of sealing (paint, resin, etc.) and see what works best and if there's any added benefits from doing so, other than stopping the carbon shedding.
The Dragon UHF is a good hotend as well, also made by Phaetus, also runs standard V6 nozzles. I run 2 on my IDEX bed slinger and have been problem free with great print quality for over a year now. Similar performance to the Rapido.
just bought a sv06 plus (because sovol sells refurbished printers and im a maker on a budget) and so far I am loving the thing can't wait to see this project run it seems awesome
That LDO stealthchanger kit would be awesome. Other than the way too expensive Prusa XL, there aren't many "easier" options for toolchangers. Building a voron is difficult enough so a kit would make the process a lot easier.
Would be good if we could develop a 'standard' tool changer physical interface - ie a Maxwell kinematic coupling that just provides the ability to clamp. Tool heads and Y rail mounts can then be developed on top of these 'standard' plates.
Agreed. Everyone would benefit from something like this. Well.. except the AMS style creators cause they would no longer make sense given how much waste and how slow they are.
@@b3owu1f dont worry, the hard working entrepreneurs that bought bambus and started a business right away SHOULD be driven out by their fear of tinkering! Haha If they cant make it because theyre scared/not smart enough since they started with a BBL printer then let them continue on with their insane amount of waste and we can produce multi material/color prints for the low and let them wonder! ;P
I would reconsider using Sovol´s enclosure... It was disapointing to me that it´s not fully enclosed. And for your setup, it would be nice to get it as enclosed possible for different materials (maybe a future heated chamber project, for polycarbonate and other tricky materials)
I'm ordering an SV08 on Black Friday. I'll be designing my own 3D printed panels to completely enclose the printer with structural panels that should dampen oscillations while providing low density infill for thermal insulation to facilitate passive chamber heating and lower energy consumption. The top will be printed in four panels as well but they'll incorporate the risers needed for full Z height. The design will have a single clear acrylic front door with reversible hinges so it can open to either side. The panels will have tongue and groove assembly with 5 minute epoxy to make solid panels. I may make rear panels with mounts for fans to actively ventilate the chamber for fast PLA printing. Give me a few weeks and check Printables.
This! Will be watching this...swaying my printer choice more likely to the sv08 for me the multi material with dedicated extrudes for different materials definitely intriguing
Thank you so much this is exactly what i was looking for a multi color/multi material and I'm definitely going to be making my own inplace of buying one thanks so much for this video.
I love the community development. I've done a fair amount of The Art of Engineering in the past, but I'd love to be able to buy a solution, preferably with as many extruders as I want. I hope the development effort results in something practical that is more accessible to the larger community as opposed to a few people having tricked out printers. I'd be willing to 3D print some parts and install new SV08 firmware.
Im super excited for the world of ATC 3d printers! We've got em on our CNC Router, and its the best quality of life upgrade for sure. Been peeping all of Nadir's work and chapping at the bit to implement some of his upgrades.
Please rather make couple shorter videos instead of many hour long live stream. Ideally as a tutorial or at least something which can be followed. Thx.
i've personally been very much looking forward to this project & greatly appreciate that you've chosen to use different hotends. i try to mark mine in a way that i can tell them apart at a glance in case i forget which i have mounted, though, which you may want to implement for ease of reference in your videos/streams - my memory's not great, personally, but i'm sure other viewers would appreciate being able to tell which toolhead is being picked up without referencing a cheat sheet (i like using manufacturer product logos where possible). if i ever get around to building the half meter printer i've been designing, i may opt to go with something similar & save the ercf for my v2.4, v-core 4, or vzbot.
Love the idea. And it gave me upgrade ideas for the SV08 I'm looking at getting. Might make it a tool changer at some point, but might also just use some of your ideas to upgrade it to a single upgraded toolhead.
I'm finally ordering an SV08 on Black Friday. My small business prints a lot of TPU parts and the flying coreXY gantry design not moving the tall flexible parts should greatly improve print quality compared to a bed slinger. I'd love to be able to print 2-3 filaments, rarely for multi-color prints, but mostly because I have a future product line that needs a rigid base (ABS, PETG-CF, etc.) and a flexible TPU top, and printing a different support material would be very good as well. I don't need seven extruders, but 2-3 would be very good. I like the idea of quick swapping extruders to avoid the time needed to retract the filament, feed the new filament, and purge the hot end, with all of the wasted material that causes. I'm already watching the six stock extruder SV08 project at Teaching Tech, and I'm now watching this project as well. Hopefully, these community development efforts result in a multi-extruder product that upgrades the SV08 at a reasonable cost without days of hacking. I should probably invest the time and money on an extruder that is optimized for TPU, but we print mostly 95A or 98A durometer and stock extruders do a decent job with it as long as I do everything else correctly - filament mounted above the printer on a ball bearing hub reel holder, feeding directly into the extruder with no reverse Bowden tube, no excessive fast retraction or rapidly repeated retraction that can chew up filament, etc.
Glad to hear. I was worried people would say this video was just advertising the sponsors of the project, but I feel like it’s important to document before, during, AND after a project like this so people come along for the journey
also it would be cool to see a breakdown of the cost on a projet like this so people can have an idea what there in for please and it's great that you got all this stuff donated i know anyone in the comments complaining would also do the same if they had the chance aslso i really love the videos and i hope your safe.
Given the Nighthawk-36 recall, this seems like an odd choice -- or is this an updated version that doesn't have the temperature issues? I'd also love to see a BOM cost per toolhead for your build; I know you're on purpose using almost the highest end parts that you can get, but it would be good to know what that would cost us mere mortals when we don't get sent the parts for free :) Possibly even a discussion around why the individual components are an improvement, compared to a ~$100 Spartacus as specced out by Nadir. Thanks for making the videos though! Always learn a lot from your content.
We are building a BOM. As for the recall I told Jason I’ll take the defective ones. Nadir’s design has a fan right over the board, so I don’t anticipate issues.
I like the intention to have multiple different hot-ends. A more cost-oriented design would keep the original hot-end as one of the seven, assuming it would fit. I’d be fine with 5 or 6 myself, I’ll keep an eye on this project!
Just gonna throw this out there.. have you thought about using something like BIQU Hermit Crab as well.. so you can quickly change heads if you want/need? Not sure it would work.. but man I think it is one of the coolest things for single head printers that can swap diff heads or laser or what not. I have been wanting a 4+ head printer since the XL was announced, and the ProForge 300 (4 heads) looks promising.. but there seems to be little on that printer other than the makers own videos. But imagine a tool changer + a hot swap head system for each head.. so if one craps out, you can swap it.. or.. you can have multiple print heads.. but then have a laser or two set aside for those use cases.
I want use my Revo Nozzles in a new CoreXY printer and now I found your video that it seems to be possible to use them in that SV08. I prever the SV08 due to open architecture. Please come back with your videos to the Revo Micro nozzles - I do not see much others supporting it. But if you have more nozzles and understood the idea, then you would not give it up. Problem is: new printers are either closed Design (Qidi, Bambu) or open but expensive (Voron).
I am thinking about how if the toolheads have a different mass how it will affect the input shaper. Can you apply a specific shaper to each toolhead and have it change while printing? Maybe in slicer? I’m not experienced with tool changers but the video made me think about the idea.
If you want one of our optical calibration tools for nozzle offsets let me know! It'll make your life way easier when it comes to calibration and will also be helpful for checking tool dock repeatability 🙂
This going to be fun to watch - very aggressive. Do slicers even support toolheads with different nozzles types (size, hf or not, abrasive or not)? I’m only familiar with Prusa XL on prusaslicer and it doesn’t support that yet, not that I’m aware of. Would be great if it did though - especially different size nozzles.
That’s a good point. Didn’t think of that. But I guess you can have a different profile per material per tool head, which adjusts parameters for that tool.
@@thenextlayer Havent fiddled with klipper, nor slicers code/configuration. There's always a way to do anything, question is how hard it would be :P To be honest, for me it looks like asking for troubles without actual reason - but maybe that will make it an interesting challenge ;-)
What about the Galileo 2 extruder? I plan on using them on my Voron Stealthchanger. Also please do some 20-30 minute long update videos. I personally have a hard time following along with long form live stream builds.
I remember seeing how the guys set up klipper to have multiple toolhead offsets. Vision Miner built a dual tool head printer using a macro to offset the coordinates for each. I would watch their setup instructions for some ideas. I ask God for your safety.
I'm curious to see how the infinite budget works out. It must be a wild feeling to have a half dozen companies willing to give you a random assortment of stuff to try and build a printer with. 😂
I think this is a cool project, BUT I would like to see say a three toolhead unit that had some version of AMS for each toolhead. Something like three ERCFs feeding each toolhead independently. That would eliminate some of the time to change colors and allow for a plethora of filament options.
@@thenextlayer sorry to hear that. I'm sure interested in trying to come up with a multi-material feeder for my Ender 3. I'd say ship it to me, but I would cost a bazillion dollars to get it here. P.S. Don't give up on it. Set it aside and you'll figure something out.
I haver to agree, tool changers are the way to go, and with this in mind, I'm looking at a UK designed MakerTech ProForge 300 which can have up to 3 toolheads. I been following Adeel for years, and I am getting a Revo toolhead, and two others that take BondTech CHT nozzles, so I can make use of my other printheads I have around. Check his printer out,
so why you require changing any tools, have all 7 be ready on their own track all the time. with different or same tools. just have the bed slinger have longer travel axis.
You know I would have used that mellow Goliath hot end because you can print very very fast as you can see from Vezz3ds channel and 4 Revos that is a lot I would have experimented with other types
Very surprising that your not running dragon burner as it offers better cooling, is also compatible with your hotness/extruders, and not significantly wider
Can someone tell me, what is the benefit of stealthchanger? I did not studied very in depth but it seems, that the design is based on pins sliding into the bushings. This design looks on the first sight more wobbly than rigid. Is there in the stealthchanger design some play adjustment, so that the toolhead can be repeatedly attached with decent precision (at least 20 microns in all directions?
I watched as @TechingTech moved forward but the issue I could see from the start was a closed chamber dead end. Using Nadir's a modified raiser for the enclosure to add 150mm of height helps but there is also the issue of internal chamber heater and filter. Trust me, you will not be happy with an unheated chamber, corner warp really sucks after 5 hours of printing. It's been a couple of months, anymore progress?
Both the next g and the rapido 2 seem to have thermistor issues. I got parts for the rapido 2 but haven’t tested them yet. Personally I find the dragon uhf must better with standard heaters and thermistors.
SOVOL WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO COME OUT WITH A HEATER AND THERMISTORRRRRRR, MY PRINTERS HOTEND AND THERMISTOR ARE DEAD BECAUSE OF UR INCONSISTENT Z OFFSETTTTTT PLZZ SELL THEMMM
@@thenextlayer yes i wish it was that easy, I've been watching his videos but I really cant understand him very much, and its going to be my first time so I really need a tutorial videos for those kinds of upgrades
@@thenextlayer I've always been a fan of manufacturers selling products that work as advertised. Modifications should happen because you want to play with or experiment with a device, not to make it do basic functions. I'm in the same boat as Jonnysimps with my SV08 if you can't tell. lol
@@chrisstone8189 im in indonesia, ive contacted them with our distributor about an extruder motor that has its wires cut BY THE ZIP TIES in the extruder that SOVOL zipped, A nozzle thats fugged because of the petg thingy, i dont care about the nozzle cuz ive changed it with the bambu with a cht, but the bed leveling and the z offset was a bit too high and in the morning there was 3 huge cubes of fiament and my print has detached because of the inconsistent z offset, i tried to pull the blob from the nozzle by heating it, and i accidentally cut the heater and thermistor wire (if i didnt i would still be fucked because the filament has wrapped itself around them), I bought the sv08 because of thenextlayer's video and i wanted a voron, before that i was thinking of buying a P1s or the k1 max REALLY should have just listened to myself and get a P1s because my p1p has i think about 1600 hours in like 7 months and not a single issue other than the mistakes i made by using a coolplate setting on pei plate so they dont stick, 🥲🥲🥲🥲
The cheap USB hub is probably not reliable. I use the same one on my PC for various devices and often it disconnects and reconnects devices or itself.. Also, the connectors themselves are poor in making secure contacts, and I went through and re-soldered the poorly soldered pcb.. So if this USB hub does not work out, try an other one of a well known brand.. (yes, the Birds Nest is expensive..)
Teaching tech is also doing a conversion. It would be more optimal if the two of you were corresponding so that you weren't reinventing each other's wheels.
Suspect dude.. with stupid opinions... aaah.. slice is sooooooo murrican.. i do foodsafe prints with it. Dude.. really? abrasive safe HOTEND? xD There is so much to laugh about.... im just trying not to insult..
How is that hypocritical? If anything, his connections are probably what pushed him to opt for the 'budgetless' option. If you wanted to build a car and Ferrari was offering you an engine for free, would you turn it down, or find a way to make it work?
This is not hypocrisy, because hypocrisy must include a statement of morality that is then being negated by the speaker's own words or actions. This is simply a statement of fact (unlimited budget) that you misinterpreted to mean something else (I'm spending my own money) followed by feeling a negative emotion after learning that he got the stuff for free. If you happen to believe that TH-camrs shouldn't get stuff for free then that *would* be a statement of morality. One that I would then point out is *actually* hypocritical seeing as you get the content that our TH-camr produces using that free stuff, for free.
Hypocrisy does not require a statement of morality - the most basic definition is the comparison of what they do vs what they say, morality does not need to be a part of it. If I say that you shouldn't eat candy because it will rot your teeth, then I eat candy, that is hypocritical, and there's no morality associated with that. Watching the video isn't free either, there are ads on the TH-cam video, and the reason that companies give youtubers free stuff is for advertising and to take advantage of the attention economy. There is a reason that most videos are sponsored, because even if I am not directly paying for watching a video, companies make money from people seeing the ad in the long run - giving stuff for free is just a cheaper way of doing it, most of the time. Saying that it is unlimited budget, for the purpose of making it as good as can be, but then using stuff that is provided for free aligns itself to two different things - he's not actually using, potentially, the best things that are possible, he's using the best things that are allowed to be given to him for free. The statement of unlimited budget does have its own set of implications to it, namely that he has a monetary cost to putting the machine together, which is then violated by receiving most of the parts for free - I would be interested in seeing what you thought "unlimited budget" meant. If you get everything for free, then there isn't a budget, the budget would just be considered zero. I don't have an issue with him getting things for free for this build, but I do think that it should have been presented differently. If he had stated the prices, and then at the end said that he contacted the companies and got them for free, then it ends up with the same result but at a cheaper cost, but as is it becomes difficult to tell if the parts being chosen are because they are the truly best parts for it, or just because they were the ones that he could get for free.
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@@thenextlayer Hi im 13 year old struggling to get a job but have alot of spare time so I would love to try and do a application to try and do your editing I'll do it for free and maybe later down the line I'll charge 2 dollars per video, I love your videos but I my opinion it can be modified abit to make it better. Just being able to get experience and getting to try and work with you would make my year.
@@JejsJsje-e6x Hi im 12, i'll do it for 1 dorra
the food safe hot end sounds kind of weird
Have you considered using a pin grid array for the USB connection then you would only need one cable and a set of pads on the tool head it would have the contact pins on the printer base then on the tool head some contact pads since USB is hot pluggable should work automaticaly
I like your build concept a lot. I think it's ideal there are a few variations available, as then people can choose whatever build works best for their budget and needs. I jumped in and started dong stuff before I knew all of the details, which means I have to do stuff again. Hopefully your proper planning gives you a smoother path.
I’m flattered you responded 🥹 I’m a huge fan!
I’m realizing that my planning isn’t as extensive as I thought, for example, with the USB hub… but we shall see, and learn from one another! Following your build closely!
I'd settle for a three toolhead setup. Three colors would give a decent amount of 'pop' for most of my designs, and would also allow printing with a second material type for removable supports. There is also the possibility of assigning one toolhead to an ERCF MMU to extend color selection for those special use cases.
I'm really excited to see this build as I think tool changers are definitely the way to go for multi-material / colour printing!
The SV08 looks like a great place to start, and I'm interested to see a different approach than the already excellent work done by Michael on his channel.
If I was building out a tool changer, I think I'd probably approach it like you, allow for as many tool heads as possible, but only build out 1 or 2 to start and then decide what I want next as and when needed - also it keeps the costs down and avoids a big-bang upgrade that might go really poorly and result in having nothing.
I really like the idea of having heads with different nozzle sizes, allowing for fast printing with a large nozzle, then switching to a smaller size for the detailed bits... not sure how easy that would be to pull off with current slicers, but with time I expect this could gain more support.
Finally, I know that the parts were received from sponsors, but could we have an itemised costing for those of us interested to follow the same route? Or at least "budget X dollars in 1 time costs to support multi-head (USB hub, gantry dock, etc.) then Y dollars per additional tool head"
Keep up the good work, I'm looking forward to the next videos
Thanks Johnathan! I've been wondering about hotend upgrades for the SV08. This is giving me some food for thought. Looking forward to the rest of the build videos!
I hope you are safe brother. Commenting from Iran to let you know that iranian people love you all and wish you health and safety during the attacks
Thanks man. Hope you guys can get rid of the IRGC soon. Looks like we are going to help.
😑 both places are terrible... just stop the g-side.
@@saaditubeyou showing your ignorance
@@gnux1 wamp wamp 👎
@@saaditubeyou you mean the Turkish g-side against Kurdish people? or the Russian against Ukrainians?
"I didn't stay below a set budget because I want a high quality printer"
Later:
"I didn't pay for any part of this upgrade"
Hey, that’s not fair! I paid like $8 for that USB hub, and $23 for the power supply! 😜
@@User-ec2bh yea I lost interest in this video once he declared that every thing had been donated by the sponsor brands
@@timmyisasleep Why? The point of the video is the multi head printer.. not how it was paid for or not.
@@b3owu1f Honestly its cool with alot of people.. even me.. but when you gotta rub it in to everyone that you get your stuff for free, or only had to pay $31 dollars all together for an entire multi toolhead printer for half baked content thats when its kinda like an F U to the viewer that HAS to pay outrages prices for this stuff... Im honestly out too.. Its embarrassing to be sassing a viewer like that all while in the same view praising TeachingTech who isnt just a marketing plant... Hopefully dude doesnt get his grubby hands on TT because his content is fire
@b3owu1f sure, your question would stand if he didn't mention budget. why should he mention budget if he wasn't realistically constrained to one like anyone else would be?
This is shaping up to be an impressive setup, particularly the versatility of accommodating different hot-ends... :)
Was nice to meet you at SMRRF24
Big project look forward to seeing how it turns out stay safe brotha!
One thing to keep in mind with the CF impregnated filaments is carbon shedding. Pre and post printing, these materials shed a fair amount of material which is readily apparent under a microscope, even with engineering grade filament. I'm getting setup to print CF filaments and I'm going to test different methods of sealing (paint, resin, etc.) and see what works best and if there's any added benefits from doing so, other than stopping the carbon shedding.
The Dragon UHF is a good hotend as well, also made by Phaetus, also runs standard V6 nozzles. I run 2 on my IDEX bed slinger and have been problem free with great print quality for over a year now. Similar performance to the Rapido.
just bought a sv06 plus (because sovol sells refurbished printers and im a maker on a budget) and so far I am loving the thing can't wait to see this project run it seems awesome
That LDO stealthchanger kit would be awesome. Other than the way too expensive Prusa XL, there aren't many "easier" options for toolchangers. Building a voron is difficult enough so a kit would make the process a lot easier.
Hello my friend. I'm here in Massachusetts, just got a P1S. I'm happy and excited learning from your channel
Welcome aboard!
He's the best I swear
Would be good if we could develop a 'standard' tool changer physical interface - ie a Maxwell kinematic coupling that just provides the ability to clamp. Tool heads and Y rail mounts can then be developed on top of these 'standard' plates.
Agreed. Everyone would benefit from something like this. Well.. except the AMS style creators cause they would no longer make sense given how much waste and how slow they are.
@@b3owu1f dont worry, the hard working entrepreneurs that bought bambus and started a business right away SHOULD be driven out by their fear of tinkering! Haha If they cant make it because theyre scared/not smart enough since they started with a BBL printer then let them continue on with their insane amount of waste and we can produce multi material/color prints for the low and let them wonder! ;P
I would reconsider using Sovol´s enclosure... It was disapointing to me that it´s not fully enclosed. And for your setup, it would be nice to get it as enclosed possible for different materials (maybe a future heated chamber project, for polycarbonate and other tricky materials)
I'm ordering an SV08 on Black Friday. I'll be designing my own 3D printed panels to completely enclose the printer with structural panels that should dampen oscillations while providing low density infill for thermal insulation to facilitate passive chamber heating and lower energy consumption. The top will be printed in four panels as well but they'll incorporate the risers needed for full Z height. The design will have a single clear acrylic front door with reversible hinges so it can open to either side. The panels will have tongue and groove assembly with 5 minute epoxy to make solid panels. I may make rear panels with mounts for fans to actively ventilate the chamber for fast PLA printing. Give me a few weeks and check Printables.
This! Will be watching this...swaying my printer choice more likely to the sv08 for me the multi material with dedicated extrudes for different materials definitely intriguing
Thank you so much this is exactly what i was looking for a multi color/multi material and I'm definitely going to be making my own inplace of buying one thanks so much for this video.
LDO tool changer kit/offering for SV08 is appealing.
I love the community development. I've done a fair amount of The Art of Engineering in the past, but I'd love to be able to buy a solution, preferably with as many extruders as I want. I hope the development effort results in something practical that is more accessible to the larger community as opposed to a few people having tricked out printers. I'd be willing to 3D print some parts and install new SV08 firmware.
Im super excited for the world of ATC 3d printers! We've got em on our CNC Router, and its the best quality of life upgrade for sure. Been peeping all of Nadir's work and chapping at the bit to implement some of his upgrades.
Please rather make couple shorter videos instead of many hour long live stream. Ideally as a tutorial or at least something which can be followed. Thx.
yea i ain't watching that, sorry most of us work for a living and only play as a hobby with 3dprinters
i've personally been very much looking forward to this project & greatly appreciate that you've chosen to use different hotends. i try to mark mine in a way that i can tell them apart at a glance in case i forget which i have mounted, though, which you may want to implement for ease of reference in your videos/streams - my memory's not great, personally, but i'm sure other viewers would appreciate being able to tell which toolhead is being picked up without referencing a cheat sheet (i like using manufacturer product logos where possible). if i ever get around to building the half meter printer i've been designing, i may opt to go with something similar & save the ercf for my v2.4, v-core 4, or vzbot.
Love the idea. And it gave me upgrade ideas for the SV08 I'm looking at getting. Might make it a tool changer at some point, but might also just use some of your ideas to upgrade it to a single upgraded toolhead.
This project made me subscribe! 🎉 , thank you!
I'm finally ordering an SV08 on Black Friday. My small business prints a lot of TPU parts and the flying coreXY gantry design not moving the tall flexible parts should greatly improve print quality compared to a bed slinger.
I'd love to be able to print 2-3 filaments, rarely for multi-color prints, but mostly because I have a future product line that needs a rigid base (ABS, PETG-CF, etc.) and a flexible TPU top, and printing a different support material would be very good as well. I don't need seven extruders, but 2-3 would be very good. I like the idea of quick swapping extruders to avoid the time needed to retract the filament, feed the new filament, and purge the hot end, with all of the wasted material that causes. I'm already watching the six stock extruder SV08 project at Teaching Tech, and I'm now watching this project as well. Hopefully, these community development efforts result in a multi-extruder product that upgrades the SV08 at a reasonable cost without days of hacking.
I should probably invest the time and money on an extruder that is optimized for TPU, but we print mostly 95A or 98A durometer and stock extruders do a decent job with it as long as I do everything else correctly - filament mounted above the printer on a ball bearing hub reel holder, feeding directly into the extruder with no reverse Bowden tube, no excessive fast retraction or rapidly repeated retraction that can chew up filament, etc.
Great explaination, much more clear where you wanny go and why you choosed those differents materials. Have fun!
Glad to hear. I was worried people would say this video was just advertising the sponsors of the project, but I feel like it’s important to document before, during, AND after a project like this so people come along for the journey
@@thenextlayer Nop, that was the right video to clarify the project. Good job 👍🏻
Exciting to see this coming!
I have used some old 3mm filament as cable support before :) worked well.
Walla achi your videos are next level, i can't stop watching!
Thanks man this is high praise. Just wait, we are getting better every video
@thenextlayer I just got the bambu x1c after using the ankermake m5, idk why I didn't get it earlier. But your videos are teaching me alot...אתה אלוף
This is hip, cool cat. Daddy-o digs. Looking forward to that multiflowwwwww.
so basically this build is like stripping the sv08 to only the motion parts and replacing everything else?
replacing SV08 toolhead with custom ones
Motion and board, and original enclosure and screen.
Did you want him to do an identical build to the guy who's using only sv08 tool heads? You want to watch 2 people build the same thing?
also it would be cool to see a breakdown of the cost on a projet like this so people can have an idea what there in for please and it's great that you got all this stuff donated i know anyone in the comments complaining would also do the same if they had the chance aslso i really love the videos and i hope your safe.
Given the Nighthawk-36 recall, this seems like an odd choice -- or is this an updated version that doesn't have the temperature issues?
I'd also love to see a BOM cost per toolhead for your build; I know you're on purpose using almost the highest end parts that you can get, but it would be good to know what that would cost us mere mortals when we don't get sent the parts for free :) Possibly even a discussion around why the individual components are an improvement, compared to a ~$100 Spartacus as specced out by Nadir. Thanks for making the videos though! Always learn a lot from your content.
We are building a BOM. As for the recall I told Jason I’ll take the defective ones. Nadir’s design has a fan right over the board, so I don’t anticipate issues.
This is absolutely epic. Keep it up. I love you channel
Thanks, will do!
I like the intention to have multiple different hot-ends. A more cost-oriented design would keep the original hot-end as one of the seven, assuming it would fit. I’d be fine with 5 or 6 myself, I’ll keep an eye on this project!
I'm planning to build a toolchanger* with 5 lgx extruders and the other two will be for pla and PVA. Its gonna be specifically for printing sneakers.
Badass.
BEST 3d Printer channel
Thanks! Getting there… working at it daily
Your tool changer has its own résumé personal statement 👍
Just gonna throw this out there.. have you thought about using something like BIQU Hermit Crab as well.. so you can quickly change heads if you want/need? Not sure it would work.. but man I think it is one of the coolest things for single head printers that can swap diff heads or laser or what not. I have been wanting a 4+ head printer since the XL was announced, and the ProForge 300 (4 heads) looks promising.. but there seems to be little on that printer other than the makers own videos. But imagine a tool changer + a hot swap head system for each head.. so if one craps out, you can swap it.. or.. you can have multiple print heads.. but then have a laser or two set aside for those use cases.
I want use my Revo Nozzles in a new CoreXY printer and now I found your video that it seems to be possible to use them in that SV08.
I prever the SV08 due to open architecture.
Please come back with your videos to the Revo Micro nozzles - I do not see much others supporting it.
But if you have more nozzles and understood the idea, then you would not give it up.
Problem is: new printers are either closed Design (Qidi, Bambu) or open but expensive (Voron).
I am thinking about how if the toolheads have a different mass how it will affect the input shaper. Can you apply a specific shaper to each toolhead and have it change while printing? Maybe in slicer? I’m not experienced with tool changers but the video made me think about the idea.
Good question!
If you want one of our optical calibration tools for nozzle offsets let me know! It'll make your life way easier when it comes to calibration and will also be helpful for checking tool dock repeatability 🙂
Oooooh that would be awesome. Can you drop me an email or a discord message?
@@thenextlayer just sent you an email!
Oh, we are excited! 👨🍳
This going to be fun to watch - very aggressive. Do slicers even support toolheads with different nozzles types (size, hf or not, abrasive or not)? I’m only familiar with Prusa XL on prusaslicer and it doesn’t support that yet, not that I’m aware of. Would be great if it did though - especially different size nozzles.
That’s a good point. Didn’t think of that. But I guess you can have a different profile per material per tool head, which adjusts parameters for that tool.
Won't different height/length(?) of hotends be an issue?
I’m wondering the same thing actually. There’s gotta be a way to fix that in firmware though… no?
@@thenextlayer Havent fiddled with klipper, nor slicers code/configuration. There's always a way to do anything, question is how hard it would be :P To be honest, for me it looks like asking for troubles without actual reason - but maybe that will make it an interesting challenge ;-)
Possibly having to have different z offsets for each toolhead. Imagine having to calibrate the z offset 7 times!
looks interesting, i will defiantly follow along
I’d love to see if you could add an engraving/laser cutting toolhead to have a multidiscipline machine
If LDO drops a tool changer kit they can have all of my monies
Thank you
For printing ultra fast with high speed filaments, why not go with a chube?
Would this also be strong enough for a pellet extruder so waste material can be reused?
I liked your video alot! Is there any update on the project?
Can Jason tell us when the nitehawk 36 will be available again?
Next up: a color changer for every toolhead on the tool changer!
No thanks. That ERCF has nearly killed me.
As a one part lifestream ;)
Another idea is group the tool heads vs printing temps using an AMS or a back up for filament run out.
Your project, as cool as it sounds, sounds like a configuration nightmare if you do intend to use different hotends and extruders for each toolhead.
Will you make a spreadsheet/Google doc with full BOM
Yup
Really really, very very interesting! 😅
Glad you think so!
Speaking of the ERCF, was it worth it? Did you get it working reliably?
Not really and not really.
I would absolutely build this out if there was a kit.
but out of the box will I get dependable prints without tweaking and upgrading
Nadir is a legend
Agreed.
What about the Galileo 2 extruder? I plan on using them on my Voron Stealthchanger. Also please do some 20-30 minute long update videos. I personally have a hard time following along with long form live stream builds.
Galileo is good but the extrusion force is lower than a bmg depending on your goals for the machine.
Did you consider Peopoly's Lancer hotend? They are quite cheap btw.
You should defiantly check out the reaper tool head.
Link of the psu please??... And of course... Awesome job!
Not criticism. Just a question. Why not the xol tool heat?
I remember seeing how the guys set up klipper to have multiple toolhead offsets.
Vision Miner built a dual tool head printer using a macro to offset the coordinates for each.
I would watch their setup instructions for some ideas.
I ask God for your safety.
Did you give up on the eddy from 4 months ago?
Yes
@@thenextlayer ahwwww.
I'm curious to see how the infinite budget works out. It must be a wild feeling to have a half dozen companies willing to give you a random assortment of stuff to try and build a printer with. 😂
It’s a huge privilege of the job, and I’m super grateful to be in this position!
I think this is a cool project, BUT I would like to see say a three toolhead unit that had some version of AMS for each toolhead. Something like three ERCFs feeding each toolhead independently.
That would eliminate some of the time to change colors and allow for a plethora of filament options.
Hey! Good to see you again. I’m never building another ERCF again. What a nightmare. Still barely works!
@@thenextlayer sorry to hear that. I'm sure interested in trying to come up with a multi-material feeder for my Ender 3.
I'd say ship it to me, but I would cost a bazillion dollars to get it here.
P.S. Don't give up on it. Set it aside and you'll figure something out.
A tool changer kit would overcome my fear of building a Voron ...
Was this just a huge sponsor video?
I knew someone would say that, but, no. I like to document before projects and get people bought in to the journey before we begin
@@thenextlayer Well atleast you changed the title so it wasnt AS misleading
I haver to agree, tool changers are the way to go, and with this in mind, I'm looking at a UK designed MakerTech ProForge 300 which can have up to 3 toolheads. I been following Adeel for years, and I am getting a Revo toolhead, and two others that take BondTech CHT nozzles, so I can make use of my other printheads I have around. Check his printer out,
were can i buy that Make it t-shirt
shop.thenextlayer.com
Dang it. Us based 😩
Hi! Any update on this project? It has been a month already😅
Now we just need a good non-planar 3D printing slicer app.
so why you require changing any tools, have all 7 be ready on their own track all the time. with different or same tools. just have the bed slinger have longer travel axis.
You know I would have used that mellow Goliath hot end because you can print very very fast as you can see from Vezz3ds channel and 4 Revos that is a lot I would have experimented with other types
Yeah maybe I could’ve done that instead of the Phaetus or one of the Revos… but I don’t have a relationship with mellow yet… but yeah.
@@thenextlayermaybe you could buy one?
Very surprising that your not running dragon burner as it offers better cooling, is also compatible with your hotness/extruders, and not significantly wider
I want to highlight new creators. Also I find the dragon burner very ugly and simple looking honestly.
Well that settles it im waiting on the ldo toolchanger kit
@thenextlayer
Hi friend, are you planning any same build with a voron?
Nah I’m too lazy to build another Voron but I’m trying to find a way to get a RatRig here.
Can someone tell me, what is the benefit of stealthchanger? I did not studied very in depth but it seems, that the design is based on pins sliding into the bushings. This design looks on the first sight more wobbly than rigid. Is there in the stealthchanger design some play adjustment, so that the toolhead can be repeatedly attached with decent precision (at least 20 microns in all directions?
Benefit over what?
I watched as @TechingTech moved forward but the issue I could see from the start was a closed chamber dead end. Using Nadir's a modified raiser for the enclosure to add 150mm of height helps but there is also the issue of internal chamber heater and filter. Trust me, you will not be happy with an unheated chamber, corner warp really sucks after 5 hours of printing.
It's been a couple of months, anymore progress?
Jason: offer the kit!
Both the next g and the rapido 2 seem to have thermistor issues. I got parts for the rapido 2 but haven’t tested them yet. Personally I find the dragon uhf must better with standard heaters and thermistors.
I've never heard that and I currently have over 1000 hours on a Rapido 2 with zero issues so far.
Why not a Chube from Luke's Lab? Missing out big time. Can't recommend enough
Is that a tool head design if I recall? It reminds me too much of Chode. Lol.
I would like a LDOmotors SV08 Toolchanger Kit in Germany ;-)
SOVOL WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO COME OUT WITH A HEATER AND THERMISTORRRRRRR, MY PRINTERS HOTEND AND THERMISTOR ARE DEAD BECAUSE OF UR INCONSISTENT Z OFFSETTTTTT PLZZ SELL THEMMM
Just switch to Klicky…! Nadir has designs for Klicky and Eddy
@@thenextlayer yes i wish it was that easy, I've been watching his videos but I really cant understand him very much, and its going to be my first time so I really need a tutorial videos for those kinds of upgrades
@@thenextlayer I've always been a fan of manufacturers selling products that work as advertised. Modifications should happen because you want to play with or experiment with a device, not to make it do basic functions. I'm in the same boat as Jonnysimps with my SV08 if you can't tell. lol
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@@chrisstone8189 im in indonesia, ive contacted them with our distributor about an extruder motor that has its wires cut BY THE ZIP TIES in the extruder that SOVOL zipped, A nozzle thats fugged because of the petg thingy, i dont care about the nozzle cuz ive changed it with the bambu with a cht, but the bed leveling and the z offset was a bit too high and in the morning there was 3 huge cubes of fiament and my print has detached because of the inconsistent z offset, i tried to pull the blob from the nozzle by heating it, and i accidentally cut the heater and thermistor wire (if i didnt i would still be fucked because the filament has wrapped itself around them), I bought the sv08 because of thenextlayer's video and i wanted a voron, before that i was thinking of buying a P1s or the k1 max REALLY should have just listened to myself and get a P1s because my p1p has i think about 1600 hours in like 7 months and not a single issue other than the mistakes i made by using a coolplate setting on pei plate so they dont stick, 🥲🥲🥲🥲
The cheap USB hub is probably not reliable. I use the same one on my PC for various devices and often it disconnects and reconnects devices or itself.. Also, the connectors themselves are poor in making secure contacts, and I went through and re-soldered the poorly soldered pcb.. So if this USB hub does not work out, try an other one of a well known brand.. (yes, the Birds Nest is expensive..)
Ok good to know thanks man
"Untainted ... ... for food"
Well, you do want to keep food away from the taint, so, good thinking here.
Buy a Quidi and just print XD (comment for most people) but meeennnn your project is dope
uff, looks kind of a heavy burden you chose to do .... wish you luck with finishing it :)
Can anyone please explain to me how i can import the open source cad files of a Printer like the SV08 in to Fusion 360? Or link me a tutorial thanks!
Download step and import. Easy!
@@thenextlayer How can i get all files in to one Fusion projekt, bc atm every new part is a new Project
I would say start with cleaning your table up ;p
Teaching tech is also doing a conversion. It would be more optimal if the two of you were corresponding so that you weren't reinventing each other's wheels.
He said that in the very beginning. But he needs to promote those e3d products so gotta build his own
So…. I guess I’m the only one that thinks that logo looks like a diagram for doggy style?
בונא רואים שאין לכם אזעקות במרכז 😂❤
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I just want to point out the hypocrisy of saying "doing it unlimited budget" then later saying "I got everything for free"
@@MrTyton Yeah... I hope he includes the prices of all components. Including the ones he got for free.
Suspect dude.. with stupid opinions...
aaah.. slice is sooooooo murrican.. i do foodsafe prints with it. Dude.. really?
abrasive safe HOTEND? xD
There is so much to laugh about.... im just trying not to insult..
How is that hypocritical? If anything, his connections are probably what pushed him to opt for the 'budgetless' option. If you wanted to build a car and Ferrari was offering you an engine for free, would you turn it down, or find a way to make it work?
This is not hypocrisy, because hypocrisy must include a statement of morality that is then being negated by the speaker's own words or actions. This is simply a statement of fact (unlimited budget) that you misinterpreted to mean something else (I'm spending my own money) followed by feeling a negative emotion after learning that he got the stuff for free. If you happen to believe that TH-camrs shouldn't get stuff for free then that *would* be a statement of morality. One that I would then point out is *actually* hypocritical seeing as you get the content that our TH-camr produces using that free stuff, for free.
Hypocrisy does not require a statement of morality - the most basic definition is the comparison of what they do vs what they say, morality does not need to be a part of it. If I say that you shouldn't eat candy because it will rot your teeth, then I eat candy, that is hypocritical, and there's no morality associated with that. Watching the video isn't free either, there are ads on the TH-cam video, and the reason that companies give youtubers free stuff is for advertising and to take advantage of the attention economy. There is a reason that most videos are sponsored, because even if I am not directly paying for watching a video, companies make money from people seeing the ad in the long run - giving stuff for free is just a cheaper way of doing it, most of the time.
Saying that it is unlimited budget, for the purpose of making it as good as can be, but then using stuff that is provided for free aligns itself to two different things - he's not actually using, potentially, the best things that are possible, he's using the best things that are allowed to be given to him for free. The statement of unlimited budget does have its own set of implications to it, namely that he has a monetary cost to putting the machine together, which is then violated by receiving most of the parts for free - I would be interested in seeing what you thought "unlimited budget" meant. If you get everything for free, then there isn't a budget, the budget would just be considered zero.
I don't have an issue with him getting things for free for this build, but I do think that it should have been presented differently. If he had stated the prices, and then at the end said that he contacted the companies and got them for free, then it ends up with the same result but at a cheaper cost, but as is it becomes difficult to tell if the parts being chosen are because they are the truly best parts for it, or just because they were the ones that he could get for free.
I was looking for a second printer and the Sovol printer was on my list but the 100$ shipping knocked it out of the running. Sorry Sovol.
how novel