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Learn about the different types of Supports in Overwatch 2 and which ones might suit your playstyle best. This video should help you decide which Supports may work for you. This is a beginner level video for support, it is simpyl to help you find a support you may like playing. Like, subscribe, and comment for more Overwatch 2 content !
Disclaimer: This isn't an advanced Support Guide, simply a means to help new players find a support hero they like to play if they don't have them themselves or are interested in the game :) I understand OWL uses terms like flex support and what not. I just wanted to simplify information for the casual player.
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"Enemy team will focus you"
Yea, they will. But your team wont focus their support 8/10 times
I as an ana main could not agree more. Its so frustrating that the enemy healers are almost always the last ones alive while me and the other healer get flanked and no one does anything :(
Sounds like a skill issue 🤔
@@slimesoup7944 I outrank you, and you are wrong 😊
@Heroes Never Quit there is only so much you can do as a support if you’re not getting any help from you’re dps. Obviously no 2nd tank to peal in ow2. Clearly removing tank 2 fixed the shield Meta issue but created a list of new problems
@@jasons5704 I don't want Shield Destroyer Simulator to come back
Fun fact: ana's scope shots have a lenience for friendly healing, there is a small angle shape in your scope that, if you're teammates body is within that triangle, they will more than likely get healed, even if you're crosshair is a bit off
That’s neat
Yea but sadly ana feels way less reliable than in ow1. Ive been maining her since she released and she has never felt so damn bad. Makes me sad
@@ToxicMothBoi skill issue Ana rocks with the 1 tank meta
@@ToxicMothBoi most likley due to her direct counter (Kiriko) and Dive meta making mediocre to good Anas almost impossible to survive this being that Ana can only survive a dive with a sleep dart which is incredibly hard to hit on small and or mobile dive targets (Tracer, Genji, Doom and Monkey and DVA)
Yep I learned that yesterday. Still it’s hard to find the right balance with Ana of both dealing with enemies and healing Allie’s
The other day I had someone complain I was using my pistol next to them. Guys.... if Mercy pulled out her pistol and is shooting that means someone is trying to kill her I will not heal you while genji and solider are trying to shoot me in the ass please learn to peel and have situational awareness of more than the center dot of your screen. Love all support players.
100%, if nobody is helping you while your life is in danger, defend yourself. Either they learn to protect their supports or you defend yourself however possible.
no thank you I'll just get tunnel visioned on the tank I've been trying to kill for the last 30 seconds while not realizing that there's 2 healers backing him up and you are getting dived
@@TrungNguyen-is6lq Yeah, this is why communication is important; if that support player can ping the enemy targeting them, it makes it so much easier for the team to focus them enough to either take them out or eliminate them, which helps make winning that fight much easier.
When players focus tanks getting pocketed, they are charging up enemy support ultimates, which counter their team's DPS ultimates.
As a Zenyatta main, the greatest tip that i can give to anyone that wants to play him is: *The enemy can't kill you if the enemy is dead.*
E + mouse 1 + V + mouse 1 = dead
Thanks for the protip 👌🏽
As a lucio main, I must also give a great tip: *the enemy can’t kill you if they can’t hit a single shot*
shaxx reference
@@ypob2007valid
Bro kiriko mains pull off the craziest things I have ever seen in overwatch. A lot of the time they get more elems then anyone else
Moira. Lots of easy damage, lots of good heals. Self peel, 1v1 potential, great ult. Probably the least dependent support on the roster, and easiest to carry your team.
Kiriko. Damage isn't easy, but it is better than Moira. Also has really good self-peel with teleport. If you hit headshot, you win the 1v1. And her ult is one of the most powerful out there. Carrying your team isn't easy, but can be done.
zen is way easier to carry on, just plop discord on the enemy tank and harmony on the allied tank and you should win every fight. additionally, if your team can't get kills, you can instead because zen deals as much damage as cassidy when hitting discorded enemies.
Now we just need bap, brig, lucio, ana, and mercy
What people aren’t seeming to realize under this comment is that Moira is the easiest to carry on because she has high burst healing, does a decent amount of damage (especially combined with her orbs), has a getaway AND you don’t have to know how to aim in order to play her meaning you just have to hold down her primary or secondary in order to do what you want. She can be countered pretty easily yes but because of these things especially at a low level she’s definitely the easiest person (at least support) to carry her team.
@@lincreates8724 i agree, they should atleast make it so she has to aim her weapon, but the game is built for everybody so some characters are designed for less skill players
Quick note, for ana good to mention scoping also changes it from projective to hitscan so much easier to hit heals
Good point!
@@zwordz i watch alot of new players using the no scope as they think its easier to hit, the suprise they get when i let them know lol
I would also like to point out that Ana in the right hands can be a pseudo counter to Phara, due to her long range sniper hitscan capabilities.
@@rhett3185 ana also can easily stop a barrage with sleep dart
Moira is very beginner friendly and easy to play well. Currently learning zen which I find very dependent on team since no mobility
Yeahh as Zen you're deffo gonna need a team that protects you, but with a good team they'll protect you and take advantage of those discords :p
Moira is also cool for the lower levels where no one wants to do objectives. She can sit on it and keep sending out her healing orb from far. 😂
If you want to be a great zen player learning how to clutch duels with flankers is the only way to truly climb. While the team can and should peel if possible. Winning the 1v1 against a tracer or genji is what makes a master or gm zen
@@myob94 absolutely agree. Also, it discourages mediocre players from practicing and learning genji or tracer if you keep beating them. Trust me, I know😅
@@myob94 realistically your not gonna win those majority of the time. Especially if they get the heavy drop on you
PSA for aspiring Mercy mains: you really shouldn't treat her as a main healer. Sure, her healing can be quite good in a majority of ranks, but damage boost is so powerful. Ideally, every main healer should outheal a Mercy.
Wait u telling me zen’s supposed to outheal mercy?
@@cookiecrumbzi I was trying to use the categories given in the video, so I said main healer, so not Zen or Lucio in particular.
In my experience though, even Brig and Kiriko are better healers.
I disagree
A competent team u mean
I mean Tempo rez fast ult build = main healer, out of position death, rez on lost fight, 33% out of each engage = sub healer
Benefits: barriers do not block healing, your mobility makes you immortal below diamond (kekw) and she's more than a healbot when learned, 2 boosted bullets from soldier can be the difference between a pick and the enemy team building support ults and punishing you.
That being said unless they're masters tdont expect your mercy to possess a brain.
As a new player I really like Lucio. I feel like he’s a character I can grow into as I get better at the game. The movement is just really fun
I agree with you I love playing Lucio I might main him
Yeah he would be great, just the primary fire on his gun is most obnoxious weapon in the game to use 😮💨
@@filipcza2 I’ve learned to love it, timing his little burst Nerf gun lmao
he's one of the best characters in the game so you should try to master him
lucio main here, even though he said you aren't a main healer, you are, If you play your abilities right and change songs at the right moments, you can be the most healing factor of your whole team while also making sure you dont die from over pushes, while on the other hand, due to his speed boost and hp healing, he is a great dps healer so dont be afraid to push enemies some times to force back tanks into their back lines, It works! Also hehe bouncy wall
some facts that missed out in here.
ANA: her scoped shot is HITSCAN - her normal shot is NOT so its delayed a bit with travel.
MERCY: Can travel UPWARDS with CTRL. When she travel with SHIFT you can use CTRL to fly fast upwards. also SPACE is important to EVADE.
THANKS!
Never knew how other Mercys did that
@@zelstivel np !! those tricks are reallly needed for mercy. otherwise you cant evade.
Also zenyatta has an enhanced melee dealing quite a bit more damage and a knock back effect
importend to note about brigs flail shot is that it procs inspire. making it good when you need to heal but cant go into melee range
Her shield bash also procs inspire now
Fun fact: brigg's whip can also be used on wrecking ball which doesn't get him out of ball mode but interrupt his momentum
and all this time we just thought wrecking ball was the one character that the whip did nothing on...............................
As a new player, Moira has been a lot of fun and extremely intuitive. I out-damage DPS and out-heal more dedicated healers. I feel like her kit is about balance. And the dash keeps me alive a lot longer than I should be.
We Moira mains know that Fade is a normal ability with a lot of "bullshit potential" in the right hands
Its basically a potentially OP get out of jail free card, and the only reason why it isnt a point of contention is because the only people who are aware of said "bullshit potential" are also the people who abuse it :v
I will say this tho: clever enemies who know how she works will have no problem predicting where you'll be after fading so practice hour fade junps and sudden changes in direction to throw them off your tail
Moira more like I wanna give moi self :D ik I'm funny
Balance? Are you insane? She is like the most unbalanced character rn
@@ToxicMothBoi I mean balance in the sense that a lot of Moiras I see tend focus on DPS rather than healing. Balancing her damage dealing and healing seems to be the best way to utilize her kit.
@@ToxicMothBoi she is very balanced, the only place Moira is strong is in low elo (gold or lower). At mid and high elo she is easily countered.
Brig main here, if you want to become a good brig you should strive to hit your whipshots as much as possible. Ideally with a 60+ accuracy if you're throwing them out a lot. You should also value your inspire uptime% a lot since it's basically an indicator on how much/how effective you have been as a support.
Wrong, inspire is way too overrated it is very good but your job is not staying there upfront trying to activate it your job is in the back lines protecting your dps or support from taking too much damage and suppressing flank heroes like reaper and tracer moust at the time you activate inspire with the wip shot
@@jroy72are u a brig main? (new brig not ow1 brig)
@@thej6878 i am a brig mais since overwatch 1
Yeah a Brig main shouldn't prioritize inspire at all. I suggest you watch HolyShiftKid's guide on how to play Brig
@@jroy72 I’m going to trust the guy who knows how to spell over the guy named “dream fan”
One important thing about Baptiste is his Regenerative burst instantly heals for 100 ish making it incredible sustain and makes Baptiste super capable of taking 1v1s.
Ye, it heals 50 instantly and 100 if the target is below 50%
Dont forget the extra regen, he can duel dps or tanks at some point
@@Kimu3657 poor Dva bronze trying to 1v1 Bap
Me: Playing Overwatch since launch
Also me: watched beginner guides for Overwatch 2
You’re the best kind of person 🥹
I'm right there with you, right there with you lol
Edit: Mercy’s an off-healer, my bad 😅
This is simply a beginner's guide helping new players decide which support heroes interest them :) Main and Off-Healer are just terms that felt natural to use for an intro level video on support. Typically, most players use Main Support and Flex Support to label the different support heroes as well as which heroes fit in those categories.
Main Support is a character who focuses on providing non cooldown utility, such as speed or damage boost, and will likely have the most healing done
Flex Support: generally is more mechanically demanding and focuses on things such as dealing damage and cool-down based utility
Feel free to input your thoughts below if there is anything you'd like to share :D
I believe that's an outdated system, relying on how much healing a support can output, which isn't nearly as necessary with only 1 tank to heal. I mean, playing a Kiriko and Lucio, you will find that if they play well, there is plenty of healing to go around anyways.
I mean, you classified Kiriko as a flex, but I bet you didn't know her papers actually have around the same healing per second as Ana's gun. And now all supports are mechanically demanding, as if you want to get value out of them, just healing won't be enough, you also need to provide a lot of utility and damage. So the terms "main support" and "flex support" get murkier and murkier.
@@aguyontheinternet8436 I agree with you ! Most definitely, the main reason I put out those textbook definitions for main and flex support was simply because I was getting a decent amount of comments that didn't like my main and off-healer labels, but in reality, nothing in this game is black and white.
Support is a lot more mechanically demanding for sure with one tank, this is why it's more important to do other things than simply healing.
I actually didn't know Kiriko's papers do about the same HPS as Ana's gun, that's mad ! Good tip !
Main supports can also be defined by their ability to peel for the flex in addition to what you mentioned. So...
Main: Lucio, Mercy, Brig.
Flex: Ana, Zen, Moira.
Bap can go either way depending on his partner. Kiriko is probably a main.
I was **this** close to making a comment about that main/off-healer terminology, lol.
As for Main and Flex Support, there's a fairly decent chance that that definition will likely change as we have seen double main supports and flex supports be used in the OWL, such as Lucio and Brig with Junker Queen.
@@WhatisaLee No, it's not about peel. If that was the case; Moira would be main and so would Ana.
Kiriko is most definitely not a Main Support. Her cooldowns are way too timing based and if you're not helping out with flanks at the right times and hitting the headshots; she's just a worse Bap stat-wise.
@@BlazeLycan It *can* be about peel but not always so you're right. Mercy for example. However, it is usually the main's job to look out for their flex especially in 5v5. Hence why ana/zen is no longer a popular pairing. Lacking mobility and consistent defensive abilities puts them both in vulnerable situations against flanks.
And I'm not sure about Kiriko. Her tp is spammable, and suzu is defensive. Her heal and dmg output are more effective at close range. Along with suzu, her ability to peel is actually pretty good.
I imagine she'd fit in as a dive support. Tp allows her to get in with the dive, secure a kill, then tp out to her flex who should be anchored in the backline. But then her mechanical skill is so high that mains might not be able to make use of her in the same way flex players can, which may be more of a factor in OWL.
Edited to add that ana and Moira are not effective peels in OWL. Ana sleep is nice but it's a one shot. And Moira is only effective as a duelist in lower ranks where ttk is high. Though she can self peel with fade, she struggles to do so for her partner in higher ranks. But again, these are not clear cut roles.
You forgot to mention zenyatta’s new snap kick passive it may not seem like much but can really help to deal with people trying to dive you
Ps. Great video btw
I'm a Bri main, love her so much. She has such a fun kit, I've broken 11k healing a few times.
Supports are such a responsibility. Probably the hardest to play tbh, because every poor dps wants to blame a loss on their supports, but no dps ever gets the blame. You definitely have to be on your P’s and Qs.
@a decent person well put
You guys both said everything I feel. Been playing Overwatch (mainly healer) for 6 years. Overwatch 2 now and still a healer. Still feel the same way!
@@jzy_1490 yeah.. the tank is key but the support truly is the glue of the game. we hold everything together and it’s a huge responsibility🤣
Nawh, I understand what u are referring to cause I'm a support main, but since I have vast experience in both tank and dps I can confidently say that support is the easiest role to play.... Supports job is mainly to heal and stay alive while damage and eliminations are just a bonus. I normally have increased toxicity towards me while I'm playing dps and tank but everyone appreciates me as a support.
Been maining support since Overwatch’s release back in 2016. Most of my hours are on Mercy, but Brig, Ana and Lucio are my other favorites to play. So far I’ve been enjoying Kiriko in OW2!
All of this might seem like the most basic of things that need not be said, but recently got back into overwatch after not playing it for years, and some things I learned for those on console at least:
Kiriko has specific settings for her healing - toggle or hold. If you want more control and be able to cancel your healing in a tight pinch, switch the setting so you're not throwing all of your healing when you use the ability. Teleport/Suzu makes a great combo for heading off to apply pressure and then zipping to a teammate in need (as long as you're not placing yourself in an unwinnable situation).
For Ana, I think it was pointed out, but she does have some leeway when it comes to healing teammates while scoped. When hip-firing, her biotic dart has travel time before it hits a target. I think she also has settings for tolerances on her Nano and hit confirmation.
Zen is fun. Play more Zen.
Mercy uh... I haven't played Mercy, but I figure Mercy mains play her with indirect malicious intent as an incentive to damage boost more often, but a rare Chad Battle Mercy moment can definitely help in a clutch.
I think Lucio has a backwards wall run setting?
All of this probably seems braindead-levels of obvious, but Kiriko and Ana after not playing forever are my go-to, and I'm slowly learning Zen.
And for the most boring and obvious tip - never get caught without cover, or you're definitely gonna feel like you're playing Dead By Daylight instead of Overwatch. Going from having a second tank that can peel to - at least in lower ELO - no help at all is already way more difficult, and not having cover will make it even harder. If your Support has an escape, use it judiciously when you get dived on, because Dive comps will definitely go for you first.
That said, support is fun. Having the lives of my teammates in the palm of my hand is a fun concept in itself, and keeping the team alive to make sure we win feels more fun than playing DPS. So have fun as a support!!
... And be malicious about it. >:)
Something to keep in mind about brig - yes she needs to be somewhat near the front line, but you'll die reeeaaaal quick if you're charging right at enemies. I've found the key to brig is positioning and holding corners/choke points. Use a combo of your shield and the terrain to avoid damage and constantly harass enemies as they try to push around a corner or through a tight passageway. Then as soon as they over commit or you see an isolated squishy at
Been a support main through most of the team based games I've played and so far the supports in Overwatch are pretty gud and fun to play. Right now I wanna go try to play more Brig when I noticed how fun her play style was.
Love these OW2 guides! I was a big fan of OW1 and your videos have gotten me into OW2.
Have they really ! That makes me hella glad xD Hope you're enjoying the game :D
New player and damn, Moira is so fun. Her fade into the backline + damage orb has helped me flank kill so many supports, and her self sustain is crazy
Baptiste is a second fav, since he has a perfect blend of good damage and good healing, consistently
until the ana sleepdarts you and her entire team comes to pick you off :/
@@MadaraUchiha-.._ Or literally any non-bronze dps sees you _way_ out of position with no fade.
Do you want to heal? Moira
Do you want kills? Moira
You want to have an effect at a close range? Moira
You want to get the same effects at a distance? Moira
You want to be able to leave your incompetent team behind if they throw themselves stupidly at danger? Moira
Or baptiste
Yes
or bap or zen, though, those are only if you've nailed down your fundamentals.
Moira is great if both teams aren't incredibly skilled. Your team will tend to take more damage and need more healing. The opponent usually won't start anti'ing you hard, and if their aim isn't regularly finishing off your allies, then you can always keep healing them back up. You can also escape to safety and heal yourself with the orb. However, I find that in the higher ranks, her lack of utility and burst damage really starts to show. People can burst you down before you fade from hitting low health, and you aren't going to be winning duels the way you can against bad players.
@@Cloud7050 Well its a good thing I dont play comp then, the reason why is because I actually have a little shred of self steem left
I just started playing OW2 about a week ago and I’ve mostly played support for the extra battle pass Exp but I found that I really like the playstyle. I think Brig and Kiriko are my favorites but Lucio is also really fun and easy to play. Regardless this was a very informative video and I definitely want to try other supports like Baptiste and Zenyatta
Thing to note about Brigitte: she can be punished by the other team having a Pharah or Echo due to their ability to be out of range constantly, so always be sure to ping them when you see them so they don't kill you. Also, certain heroes which have gaps between each damage burst like Reaper or Roadhog can be micro'd around with the shield, allowing you to 1v1 them more effectively, though the opposite is true for Symmetra or Zarya, whose beam weapons are a constant source of damage
Certainly take the brunt as a support player. No one understands we’re not always the problem until they actually try playing support. We can’t always keep you alive. It’s nice to “vacation” and switch to roadhog or something every here and there😂
kiriko is my second most played hero at abt 9hrs, and in those 9hrs i can say that once u learn when to use things like suzu and kitsune rush, she is amazing. i often am able to get more headshots off on kiriko games than when i play widowmaker (who was the first hero i ever played), and her teleport is rly crucial if ur in a tight space with an enemy like junkrat bc u can just poof to ur team. i totally agree that she is quite the aggressive support, and i’d recommend her for dps mains having trouble playing support. if ur having trouble with kiriko i’d also recommend zenyatta, hes my 2nd most played support and hes rly useful with discord orb and transcendance.
I watched the Kiriko cinematic video 2 days ago. (never played overwatch before) I fell in love with the character and now I'm into overwatch 2 and have 9 hours on her. I have chosen to main her already. :D
I'm glad you like her ! She's pretty fun, still understanding how she plays at higher levels myself, but I'm enjoying her. Hope you continue to enjoy the game :)
Moira + Ana have the best possible heal potential capacity in a role queue setting. Moira alone has the highest potential healing capacity as a solo healer. There are numbers to back this up, but I don’t know those numbers lol
I love both Briggete and baptiste and I genuinely enjoy playing those two then any other characters including tanks and dps
It should be mentioned that Baptiste's healing burst is doubled if the people hit are in the critical state, allowing you to get even more use out of it.
Just found the vid. Quite good description of every mentioned Support hero. Nice video. I liked it alot. Thank you.
Thank you so much ^_^ Glad you liked it
I always make sure to orb a teammate before ulting with Zen, it's not much compared to the ult but that orb could make the difference.
It's completely dependant on team comp, but mostly the tank and their deficiencies.
for new players: main heal vs off heal and all that crap is pretty much pointless to consider, basically how much damage your team is taking should be irrelevant to your pick, your job is to help them but there exist plenty of players out there who die in spite of being healed by both healers at the same time with all the cooldowns and resources used on them. sometimes (most of the time) you don't save allies, hence why you get a special sound and a stat for when you do.
ana: stay in the back, heal your team, use abilities offensively. nade is one of the strongest abilities in the game, and you want to drop it on enemies when they want to be healed to get maximum value--good nade usage is pretty much all you need to do to win as ana. consider enemy team comps; if the enemy has a tracer, winston, genji situation, keep both your abilities for defensive purposes and never use both on offense. if the enemy has a kiriko, maybe hold off on the offensive nade until she uses suzu. the only time it's really acceptable to get in close to the enemy is if you have a hog, in which case just follow him around and nade everything he hooks. always fall back if you're attacked, away from the fight but still within sightlines of your team. the further away you are, the harder to kill you are.
bap: basically ana but easier damage output and easier to heal with. use him when you have a lot of allies playing close together (ex. with reinhardt, zarya, or junker queen), and keep immortality field as a counter to enemy ults, especially enemy tank ults. use his ult for more healing and more damage; not enough bap players use his ult for the extra healing output. it can genuinely turn a losing fight into a winning one. your allies will go from practically no hp to almost full instantly if you heal them through your ult, and you should pretty much always just drop your ult at your feet for your own usage, don't try to combo it with other shit. also you can use every single one of his abilities at the same time, so if all else fails just roll your face across your keyboard and you'll be fine. his damage output is also really strong for a support, so try for kills when you can.
moira: right now moira's offenses are technically better than her healing output, but she has the highest healing output in the game. her heal is 70 hp per second, her heal orb heals a ton too, and she can ult for even more healing. however, sometimes you just need to throw a damage orb instead or use ult aggressively. use healing orb, her self heal, and fade to sustain yourself, and try to be the first player to ult in the match and in every fight when you have ult. moira ult forces a ton of cooldowns and just generally wins fights easily. also he didnt say this, but melee does more damage than moira's right click damage. you won't self heal if you use melee, but you do kill quicker.
mercy: don't use mercy, but if you have to, make sure you have someone to damage boost and remain damage boosting them. damage boost injured allies, and damage boost more than you heal, or at least aim for 50/50 between damage boost/healing. valkyrie does nothing, just use it if you're going to die to save yourself, or use it to res safely. don't die. you shouldn't die as any support because that's really sad and bad and you will cause your team to lose, but ESPECIALLY as mercy do not die and most of all do not try to save allies or go for a dangerous res if it would cause you to also die.
brig: press right click to stop yourself from dying. brig's shield is her best ability, and the more you shield, the better. play near corners but remain close to the backline in case they get pressured. use your cooldowns to stop enemies from getting too close, and use packs to support distant allies. inspire is garbage, just treat it like self-healing, although you can use whip shot to proc inspire before you engage. still, it only heals 15 hp a second for 1 second. it's the lowest healing in the game. brig, like mercy, is one of those healers you really, really don't wanna die as. you shouldn't die as brig if you use your abilities right because you have a fucking shield and bash to escape AND self healing.
lucio: speed boost your team around. speed boost into fights, speed boost out of fights, speed boost to save allies, speed boost to secure kills. speed boost. also if you get really good at wallriding, just start killing the enemy backline. you're really hard to hit as lucio, probably the hardest to hit character in the game, even at point blank range.
kiriko: suzu your allies out of enemy bullshit, use ult like bap ult to either heal faster or deal more damage, and consider most of all where you place it. this is one of the few supports you should get kills on. one of kiriko's main utilities is her damage output, and if you don't get kills, you might as well choose a different support.
zen: again, like kiriko, you have to get kills on zen. besides that tho, just place your discord orb on the enemy tank and your harmony orb on the allied tank and you should win every fight unless you somehow die before the enemy tank does. discord and harmony are the most brainless abilities in the game, and they create a ton of value for literally just pressing e and shift on people. like ana, the further back you are the harder you will be to kill, but of course it becomes harder to hit your shots too.
2:06 Ana
4:15 Batiste
6:17 Moira
8:13 Mercy
off healers
10:17 Zenyatta
12:24 Lucio
14:47 Bri
16:37 Kiriko
Mercy is an off healer
Mercy is Utility not Heal
Brig isnt an off healer anymore in ow2
@@destinyhunter1926 she is a utility support…. She dont have much heal output
@@ynk3207 thats just simply not true. It completely depends on your up time of inspire and your repair pack usage. Pair her with kiriko, lucio or zen, and shes the main healer of the time, while able to bring a ton of utility and brawl potential
Fellow Zen players.
Don't forget harmony and discord will stay on the target after you break Los for 3 seconds.
Try to bait out enemy ults before you use Transcendence.
You can animation cancel a 5 volley of orbs
Don't be afraid to melee any flankers who are low. With discord on them enemies will take up to 55 dmg (if I did the math right)
For other supports.
Ana: you can ping sleeping targets for your team
Also it wasn't in the video but nano boost also instantly heals the teammate for 300 hp
Brig: idk if you still can but you used to be able to proc inspire from wrecking ball's minefield.
Kiriko: never use suzu on yourself. You can cleanse yourself with your teleport which has a significantly lower cooldown.
Here are the ults you can counter with suzu
JunkerQueen
Dva bomb
Rein Shatter
Bastion artillery
High noon
Pulse bomb
Blizzard
Rip tire
Suzu also cleanses Ana nade and sleep dart.
Also use rush down straight aways as it decreases cooldowns and increase attack speed and boosts movement speed. It'll help your team engage and more than likely win the fight.
I neber played the first overwatch so as a new player ive been using Moira shes a good support and can easily balance her heals and her damage.
She's super fun to me ! She's solid in keeping her team up when they're stacked together
Welcome to the support role, and overwatch in general. Zen main here
I love how much effort you've put into this and your Tank video! Looking forward to that DPS vid ;)
Thank you ^_^ I wanted to be thorough and helpful, I didn't expect this video to be even longer than the Tank one ! Took me forever to make xD I'll put just as much effort into the DPS vid :p
Best carry potential for "my team is always bad" supports: Ana or Zen. Ana can enable kills with fat antinades and shut down ultimates, Zen can straight up carry with kills and deny ult value with counter trans.
Zen is the most chad pick a good DPS would appreciate tbh
I think that the "easy or hard to learn" system is good, but its a bit lacking in nuance. Someone like Kiriko i think is easy to play and get value out of, but if you really want to utilize all parts of your kit she's very difficult to play. Anyone can get random headshot kills and pump healing ofuda into tanks, not everyone can hold and time a perfect suzu to save a vital team member. Whereas someone like Zen, he is very basic and you need to have strong fundamentals to get proper value out of him, but once you can properly play Zen you've gone most of the way to mastering him.
Anyone can get random headshot kills, but it takes some practice to do it consistently, while doing everything else a support is supposed to do.
@@aguyontheinternet8436 This, Kiriko is hard because to get her 100% potential, you have to consistently head shot (not easy at all), plus her healing isn't supposed to be good for tanks, she's a flank support
Skill floor and skill ceiling
this is a great video. it came up on my recommended and auto-played. :) you're 100% correct with your tips. I really love playing kiriko!! hope you're well.
Nice video! I'd like to add though as a mercy main, that most top500 and gm players will tell you that you DONT pick her for her healing, but for her damage boost.
She's somewhere between a main and off healer, as bap ana and moira do a lot more healing than her. If you are stuck dealing with the bulk of the heals as mercy...you're better off swapping to another support that does heal a lot.
Her job is to never die and make her team's damage more oppresive + gain faster ults through her blue beam :)
I'm not even sure why I watched this whole video, I've been a Mercy main since OW1's launch with over 750 hrs on her. I guess the video was just that informative and entertaining!
Awww, thanks ! This is just a positive comment :D Appreciate you, glad you liked the video !
I am late to the overwatch party and dude..your guides are godsends. I needed this to have a better understanding of Lucio
I'm glad ! A ton of new players that hadn't played the original are playing the sequel and hoping to learn more about the heroes and modes. Hoping to help out :D Thank you for sharing this, it really does help me
I've been a Zenyatta main from the start. I always liked being able to do good damage and let the harmony orb do it's thing. I especially like his new kick ability, it's great for getting space and knocking enemies off the map.
It's important to know: no matter what, people will find a way to blame you if they lose no matter what class you play. Especially support though
Mercy main here! For anyone who is new and trying to understand mercy theses are a few tips I can give.
1. Learn how to super jump.
When you GA to a teammate you should see a bar on the right side of your screen, at any point you can press crouch to flinging you in the air. The more charged the meter is, the higher you’ll go.
2. Guides.
Don’t underestimate guides! They really helped me to get better with mercy. Personally, I recommend watching most of @Niandra’s content. Along with any other position guides you can find.
3. Dont under use damage boost.
Mercy has the ability to amplify a teammates damage by (at the time of writing this.) 25%. This can be a deadly tool and is one of the main reasons to pick mercy over anyone else. (Again, I would watch some of Niandra’s content for tips on damage boost.)
4. Raise sensitivity.
By default, all hero’s sensitivity is pretty low. But you won’t get a lot of value out of mercy if you have low sensitivity. Which is why it’s important to raise it. What you want as your sensitivity all comes down to preference. But from experience, I can tell you that 30% and 15% won’t get you far.
5. Don’t constant try and go for kills.
I know that we’ve all seen at least one clip of a nano-mercy on TikTok and wanted to try it. But, mercy just doesn’t do enough damage, (unless you have a nano.) to be good. You don’t get a lot of value out of her gun so it’s usually just best to save it for defending yourself.
Hope these help :)
I've recently gotten into Overwatch for the first time and love playing Moira (although she was very confusing to learn at first) I like that I could go full damage at any time. I wish she had a passive and that the heal gauge could fill up a little with the damage orb.
Mercy has no burstheal and generally her focus is dps, and second sup, not tank. 55hp per sec is not strong compared to ana or moira
Big facts she has no burstheal, she definitely could still be used as the off-support in OW2 next to a stronger healer; she doesn’t have the best heals ever. She’s used as sec support at higher levels of play for specific reasons, but that’s mainly at higher play.
This video is mainly for beginners. Imo she’s a good character to keep a team alive for many players new to support at a majority of ranks and with there being one less tank, she can still spend more time on DPS than before.
Which supports do you think Mercy is a good duo with ?
@@zwordz That depends on the comp you play, especially on the tank. if you got a rein then ana or bab, with dva or doom, zen. I mean you can play with every sup even if you have lucio zen it is always team dependent.
they gotta buff her boost then cuz it feels weak AF and it makes more sense to just healbot at that point
@@dbix11 No it’s not I average 30 assists a match, it’s all about that timing.
Hey guys Zen main here, just a quick tip, if you decide to play Zenyatta, you won't do as much healing and that is ok, do not let anyone in your team talk you down because you don't have the 16k healing of a Mercy, your damage and your healing should honestly be rather close cause that is where the usefulness of the hero is, do not get upset if people trash talk your Zen, it takes a steep learning curve, but I promise to you, after you learn how to use him, you will only look down on all the DPS heroes that are not taking advantage of discord orb, and every actually good DPS will love you and call you Chad for picking Zen and helping them out with damage
I agree! When I play as mercy, I'm counting on the other healer to help with damage bcus I sure am not lol as mercy I'm just focused on heals and if an enemy is close enough, I'll deal a couple shots. As zen there is so much more freedom to do more damage but it can be more stressful due to the amount of heal u can deal, specially with a team that doesn't give a damn about the orb of discord
One thing you forgot to mention is in brigs passive healing last 5 seconds after damaging someone so you can use her whip to re prock that ability because whip only has a 4 second cool down
Been playing overwatch since 2017, still don’t have a support main, recently dropped my tank main, and considering changing my dps main, wish me luck
I didn't know when I was starting, I just needed to know I gotta go fast. So, Lucio. Thing that irks me are those little signs along the walls. I break em when I can so I don't get slowed down.
Amazing video! Really informative!
10:36
"my favorite part about zenyatta are his only two abilities!"
OMG ME TOO
Fun fact: the buttons for moira on PlayStation are automatically bound with damage and healing on the buttons opposite the hands (L1 and 2 shoot from the right hand, R1 and 2 shoot from the left hand)
I could be wrong, but I believe Kiriko's healing is around 15-20 hps higher than Mercy (70-something vs 50-something); so if Mercy is in the main healer group Kiriko likely should be as well. She can flex between focusing more on healing or not depending on who the other support is (much like Bap).
Yeah, at the time of the video Kiriko was still being learned and understood. She can flex between both roles, but largely depends on team playstyle
The video is good but there are a few false information in there.
First Moira has no lock on, you can check a video by KarQ from a year ago in which he reviews the hitboxes of every ability in the game. Its a simple beam with custom hitboxes.
Also her damage is actually very low, the lowest of all supports at a mere 55dps which means that it takes more than 3 full second to kill someone with it.
This leads me to Mercy who does not have a subpar DPS, each bullet deals 20 damage and she can fire 5 per second, this means she has a base 100 dps, which can go up to 200 if you headshot which is not that hard considering the size of her ammo hitbox. Even with the reload it's a base dps of around 80 which is actually quite high among supports.
Then there's Brigitte, never actually try to frontline with her, you'll just die very quickly and you wont do anything. Brig should be played in your team backlane as a "protector" for your other support, basically never leave their side. You should proc her passive with her whipshot which has a pretty good range and a low enough CD to have Inspire almost always up.
Finally Zen does not move slower than other heroes. All heroes except Tracer and Genji have the exact same speed : 5.5. Genji and Tracer are the only two with a different one at 6.0.
Also it could be argued that Mercy isnt really a main healer, while she does have very consistent healing she has no form of burst healing which is kind of the main characteristic of main healers. She and Kiriko have roughly the same amount of hps, and they are both in between main and off healer 🤔
Hell yeah ! Thanks for clarifying those things.
To further clarify, when I said Mercy had low DPS output, I didn't mean, "her gun doesn't do good damage", I meant that her total damage by the end of the game would be low. If there is a Mercy at there that can get 8-9k damage consistently by the end of the match, I'd be impressed. Otherwise, I deffo encourage Mercy players to pull out the glock when they need too. She could fit off-healer role too admittedly, but really for players new to the game, the healing beam will be enough as players grow their understanding of the game.
Apologies for the minor errors in the video, really my target audience for this video are completely new players
or players that hadn't touched the game since 2016-2017.
@@zwordz dont worry I get it ! But I think beginning the game as Mercy is almost a mistake, she teaches you nothing about the game, if anything she'll give bad habits. Moira's à much better character to begin as a support ! Same thing for Brig really, she seems easy but since she's all about positionning you could really get bad habits by playing her too early.
And yeah Mercys usually dont take out their gun because they'll get flamed if they do, but she's low key a amazing counter to Widow especially in Valkyrie. The best advice I can give is, if you're under attack and everyone in your party is above mid health, just turn on whoever's attacking you and start shooting at them instead of flying around aimlessly.
when I first played overwatch in 2016 I've always had the go fast kick ass mentality so lucio was the obvious and most fun choice
If you’re trying to play Lucio on console then you should switch your boop and jump buttons. It’s hard to aim or do rollouts or anything while wall riding if you’re using x/a to jump. If you put it on L2/LT you get much better control; and boops on x/a feel way more satisfying
Lucio main and I mostly love playing him because of his speed from jumping off walls and the boop. Never gets old sending an enemy off the map or in a hole or even an enemy thats low or out of position into your team. Also, hes great at taking out torb turrets and for spamming down hallways because of the no damage fall off
Its amazing seeing this video when moira is really saing kamehameha in his ult
Moira mains : Moira’s a healer??
Mercy is off heals and kiriko is main heals. I could understand mistaking mercy as main heals due to her former heal boost if someone was under 50% but hey, her utility is all thats good about her.
Great video. Only thing is brig is not supposed to be front lines. She should be baby sitting your backline characters. Keep your ana alive or people off your DPS. She's a babysitter for squishies not tanks.
Played Brig since she was added to the roster in the original and still playing her now even if her stun is no more.
I feel with mercy’s movement buff, valk becomes an even worse ultimate 💀
I'm not sure if this is offensive, but is your hair real? It's so beautifully full
Haha xD I get this all the time, so don't worry :p Yes it's my actual hair in all it's glory, thank you so much 😂
You forgot about zenyatas passive which does more melee damage and knock back to enemies
I'm garbage at support in this game... Except for Brigitte. Those whip shots are so much fun that my lizard brain actually ends up playing the role fairly well 😆
Whenever I play my support main (brigitte) I actually do more damage than some of the dps' on my team, I have out-dueled dps' such as soldier 76, sojourn, ashe, Cassidy, tracer, and sombra on the regular, ive even managed to out-duel some tanks, ive beaten a reinhardt, a sigma, and an orisa, not to mention being able to out-duel every other support in the game other than a kiriko with cracked aim, her healing is honestly nutty, her shield comes back super quickly, and she can knock pharah out of the sky, thats why she is and always will be, my favorite support
My two favorites have been Zen and Kiriko but I do love Mercy as well. I’m new to OW but it’s been a blast so far. I’m not brave enough for ranked
if you want to play ranked, I recommend not using Zen if you are new, he has a very steep learning curve, better use him in casual where it does not matter that much and when you feel you are comfortable with him go for it
I'm a tank main and an og ow1 Rein main. I've recently picked up brig and she is so much fun. I love playing with my tanks being a mini version of them
So I main Moira on Overwatch 2 for support and my tank never stays with me. My team always splits up and never actually pushes as a team. Plus when I'm getting focused by the DPS my tank is just watching and my DPS are going to the enemies spawn to spawn camp what they can. The only person I can rely on is the other support. Other support mains, what do you guys often get?
Mercy.... and Kiriko.... Almost no one else heals me good enough to where it keeps me alive when I need it
Fun fact Batiste is the only hero that can shoot(dealing damage) AND heal at the same time unlike other healer and unlike Ana who only heal when hit friendly and do damage to enemies when hit, if your in the perfect range you can be hitting enemies and healing your team(tank) at the same time.
Usually in games I play dps but for some reason off healers in ow2 are the most fun for me
Zenyatta gang 💪
As a brig main, the whip is the strongest most powerful thing on planet earth. It isnt niche. It is about thrice as long as her melee range, and does 70 dmg. When playing brig, you can duel multiple supports (or a single dps), and win the duel about 70-80% of the time. Brigitte suffers most from her limited melee range, which makes it practically impossible to fight enemies from long range, but when the enemy enters brig range (about 20m), you can outrun them and end them in only 3 swings, a shield bash, and a whip. This really makes her more of a dps support that can assasinate targets before they get away. This hyper agressive playstyle has its caveats though, with being the most prone to death thing in the universe and the ridiculous amount of POTGs you will get. Out of the past 20 (COMPETITIVE) games I have had with brigitte, I have gotten about 16 POTGs. Its just absolutely ridiculous. The only thing that can best a brigitte and gain the POTG is team wipes. Brigitte can obtain about 3-4 elims from popping her ult at the right time. And you are basically immortal unless you get ultied back or have literally everyone on the enemy team targeting you.
Because I played on switch, I often use Mercy, full support and very easy to used.
I had an Echo the other day who just kept coming after me as Mercy, I managed to give her the slip a few times but jeeezus! Lol and in a Push Map game, the enemy Junk Rat kept coming in behind us and I'd always hear him coming with his stupid peg leg and I would PING him but my team would never react and the amount of times he's killed me because I'm trying to warn them and then escape and he's just throwing down his stupid explosives. Then if I did escape him (I did actually kill him once as he hobbled after me lol) I would GA to a teammate just for them to die and then I Rez one and then another one dies to the Junk Rat they wouldn't acknowledge! I was so frustrated that entire game lol.
Just play Moira if you're brain dead, Kiriko or Zen if you value strong burst damage for flankers but low healing, Ana/Mercy for actual team-play, Brig and Baptiste for good frontline healers.
Love the hair its sick!
Thanks ! Haha
Im such an mercy and brigg main. Im so aggressive with brig and get POTG so many times. While healing my team super hard
You described a main healer as a support that provides the bulk of your teams healing and does so in big bursts. You also said that they can heal tanks quickly. Mercy is the opposite of a burst healer who can heal tanks quickly, but she can be the bull of a teams healing. I wouldn’t classify her as a main healer rather an off healer with okay single target healing. The best parts of her kit really have nothing to do with heals and are more utility yk.
Sorry for misspelling autocorrect is gross
This main healer and off healer thing is really useless, it's a decent reducionist way to classify sups and explain which have more powerful skills, but it doesn't win games, OW still is based around countering your enemy, it's very much possible and sometimes easier to win with two "off healers".
There has been a ton of games that i won going Mercy + a "off healer", especially Lucio, sometimes the agility and mobility pays off way more than sheer healing outburst. The biggest mistake is people trying to simplify a game that is not simple, sometimes it's just better to use a slightly worse character if it makes you not die as much or be closer to the team. Or in my case play a non-aim based character because your aim is shit since 2006 and you don't care to improve in a shooter game lol (im a racing guy, sorry)
Thanks for the vid. My buddy is a Plat tank main and I'm a gold tank main but we can't duo anymore since 5v5 and we're both basically silver on the other ranks...so I'm wanting to learn support so my higher skilled buddy can be his tank
i only play 3 supports
Lucio - Love his personality and is fun
Moira - for those days my aim sucks + her dash is fun to use it confuses people so much
Zenyatta - Destroys everyone in the right hands. The amount of times inhad cocky Reapers coming for the "easy kill" just to get oneshoted to hell.
Honestly support is easily the hardest to group them together by playstyle and I group them differently then yours..
Pure Healers /Buffs pretty much same definition as your 1st group you mentioned but I have - mercy, Lucio and Baptist
Atk support long range - supports who have a good steady way to deal long range damage and or healing / buffs - Anna kikirio zenyatta
Atk support close range - just the close range version of above - Moira, Brig
For months I thought I had to shoot my teammates as Lucio to heal them...
Good now that I need to win queued for all roles (basically supports) to get Kiriko
Brigitte doesnt play upfront only upfront she plays in between the back and front as she is a peeler brawler defense and support
Ive pulled off 40 kills 10k+ damage and 10k+ healing and 30+ assists as brig and have gone toe to toe with tanks she is a force to be reckoned with
Symmetra in my book is a Support Hero more than a DPS, due to very effective Area Denial and Teleporters providing utility, so play her if you want to support your team in different ways
For me its Moira both teams had roadhogs and they were in the middle of a 1v1 I managed to help my roadhog get from 1/4 health back to full, survive the enemy's whole hog attack and help keep the enemy drained by dropping the damage orbs greatest feeling ever when we finally took the SOB down and my tank was praising my name in the chat haven't ever achieved that with any other support except maybe Baptiste
So I main Brigitte. Recently I tried playing more dps and fr im really missing the stress/fun of having to keep both mates healthy and make frags or dmg. Also really often i want to heal when i see lacking health but i cant its really weird haha