Ford F150 timing chain Removal and installation nut and bolt procedure/ with some great great tips
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- In this video I’m gonna show you how to not and bolt remove your timing chain and give you some excellent tips on replacing it this information is going to be accurate for the 4.6 and the 5.4 Triton engine that is found in your 2004 to 2011 Ford F-150 I hope the information is helpful for you.
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I HAVE THE TIMING JOB FINISHED AND IT'S RUNNING GREAT NOW...
I finished my timing job today (my 2010 F-150 runs fine now - logged 16+ miles so far) based on your video, it was very helpful... one thing to also note for those who may have issues putting the steering pump pulley back on. You may need to get a reemer to re-tap the shaft of the pump with 8mm x 1.25 thread. I practically ruined an installer bolt then had to re-tap and use the die on the kit to fix the threads. The issue: way too much rust in there, and it needed the threads to be fixed.
Also, when replacing the oil pump with a Melling M360HV, the pan did not need to be dropped, but you'll need a Craftsman 8mm gear wrench and a thin wire to use as a keeper to prevent losing the bolt if it slips. This is a real pain in the ass, don't get me wrong. I was going to drop the pan a little, and the transmission lines are in the way, so I opted to use the wire approach.
The crank bolt needed to be removed using a helper with a breaker bar I made from a pinion yoke tool to keep the harmonic balancer in place while I torqued it loose. The balancer did not have anything I could attach a tool to prevent it from turning with as much torque the bolt had on it.
Every bit of the way, my truck was fighting me and trying to get junked.
Both of my static guides - the black ones - were shattered, and one of the bolts that goes through the oil pump had broken in the block by about 1/2 inch. Had a steady hand to use a reverse / left handed drill bit to remove the broken piece. The VCT Solenoids were definitely suspect as part of my earlier issues - one screen was broken, too. The Phasers actually looked fine based on the trouble shooting tech info provided with the OEM phaser replacements. The roller followers all looked pretty good, but I replaced 6 of them (with the new design) per the phaser install. I was going to go back and replace 6 others but decided not to.
After it was all done, I was going to replace the water pump and do a coolant flush. That thing was on there so tight and probably fused to the block so I just scrapped the idea and added new coolant.
So, in all, it took me a while to get through all of this. My dad came and helped me two days for the oil pump and doing the chains. I spent some time using gasoline to clean up the baked on oil that was on the timing cover and valve covers. My last day, I just spent buttoning everything back up and running it through the tests. Make sure you have the air flow sensor re-attached and the whole air flow system hooked up when you start up. Everything else was hooked up properly, but sometimes you just miss a connection...
Some comments that may help explain parts of this excellent video: Ford points out three specific valve rocker followers to remove on each side. Removing them takes the valve spring pressure off the cams, so they don't want to violently rotate when you remove the chains. If they do violently snap around, you can bend a valve, as the piston can strike one that's open.
Some folks put a ViceGrip on each cam behind the phaser, holding them from spinning. Or you can have someone hold the cams while you do the work. Or you can do nothing and hope the cams don't spin, and if they do that they don't smash up a valve.
It took me a while to understand this which is why I am writing it here. Thanks for taking the time to share this real-life experience video.
I've considered using vice grips as a precaution but I have no idea which direction they would need to be for each side.
@@willhart7861 I finally did the job using Vice-Grips. With a little care you can figure out which way the cams want to turn and under how much pressure. It wan't a problem at all...
@eegg6954 thanks! That's exactly what I was thinking also.
I really like this video I'm saving this my son's chains are bad
Definitely much better than most of the videos that are on TH-cam about this. So many want to talk about the harness and all the crap not needed. I am only replacing a timing cover because the tensioner blew a hole in it.. Thanks for being good at what ya do and sharing your experience! For that I have subscribed!
Wow, that’s outstanding. What a great compliment. Thank you so much. I always try but sometimes don’t succeed with making good videos. But yeah, this is one of my more favorite ones
The facts are awesome but I found I was reading them more than paying attention to directions, good video
Completely the point, so you have to watch it twice. Sorry about that but we’ve got to make a couple of pennies. However, we can I’m a TH-cam whore now I don’t get paid for this stuff😂😂😂
I’m back to update my comment
I just completed timing chain replacement kit on 2009 f150 5.4
Chain guides phasers tensioners one rocker arm
Thanks for all your tips and tricks defiantly helped me.
For anyone thinking about doing this
You will need have mechanical experience
Various different tools
Space knowledge in general how things and engines work.
If you have all above you shouldn’t have any issues if you watch couple of videos on TH-cam including this one.
Best of luck 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
thank you for this I bought a ford 2010 here in minnesota. i’m from texas was just about to leave tomorrow to go back home and truck started rough idling and turning off when stopped put in the computer and code came out for the timing chain. Now I gotta get that fixed in the cold I have no garage🥶best video out here
Bro u did a grate job in explaining this with out having to remove the cam i seen a few videos and urs was the most helpful one grate job brother.
Thanks @the clay way, great tutorial for anyone trying to do their own work like me, I'm not a full time mechanic but have always worked on my car and my family's. It helped me enormously and your way of explaining step by step gave me confidence, thank you very much again
Hi Clay way, I'm Raul from Chapel Hill, NC. I very much appreciate for the really well informed video. With the help from this video, I was able to do work on a 2007 Ford F150 and get the job done. Your a really great professional mechanic, may god bless you for helping out others as well. I hope towards the future you will always be there with your great videos! Your'e the best!
i think this is one of the best car videos I have seen, very clear and to the point. also the picture quality is very good. thank you
That is a really nice complement and we greatly appreciate it welcome to the Channell we’re welcome to have you
My shop has fallen behind bcz of this help I'm giving my friend with this timing chain job but I need to help this man.
I used to complain about having to do a timing belt on my 1999 Toyota Solara V6....
... After watching this video, I'm not going to complain about it anymore.
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Ok grasias trataré de conseguirla sigo viendo tus videos
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Subbed for those random facts. Gotta keep the sheep informed.
What does my crank pulley need to be at for a 2010 f150 4.6l when doing thr timing
Thx
I watched a bunch of videos and they all talk about taking the rollers out and to me (heavy diesel tech) it didn't make a damn bit of sense being we lock out the cam pull and install. So I went with this method and not a single complaint
Very awesome video. How much does that run to have that changed out
How different is the 4.6 timing chain guides?
Hey I'm timing my 2007 ford f150 with the 5.4L. I had the timing chains on and lifted the slack in one chain and the chain spun on the Crank sprocket. Now I'm out on the left side. What should I do?
Hey clay does this apply to the 4.6 2004
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Nice video. I'm in the process of doing the same thing this week too.
Did you have to remove all roller followers to time it ?
Well depends if you do it the way I show you don’t, I go into that in very good detail in the video
Great vid!!!
How long did this job take to do?
Thank you for this video very helpful very kind of you
Thank you 🎉
You’re very welcome thanks welcome to the channel. Happy to have you.
Dang just getting dirt all in the engine.. also guys.. don't use aftermarket parts if you want this job to last esp if you replace the phasers and vct's
Where do you think the parts come from?…. You don’t think Ford makes every single component for their cars and trucks do you…
@@sharpcarcoha no. Obviously. 😂
I have a 2006 Ford F-150 SLT 4.6 crew cab. My truck blow out the # 6 spark plug I tried a Heli coil that lasted for a little time but that land up blowing out as well I got new head (well used ) I marked the timing chain and sprockets before I took them off and I put them back according to the marks. But now it want crank it acts as if it wants to try but it doesn’t I’ve changed the cam shaft sensor because it was broke. Put new plugs in. But still want crank. Could it b in the timing since I put new head on
Your valve is pushed up against your piston, If it moved at all the valve inside the head has been unfortunately I’m very sorry to give me that news Daniel,
On that particular engine you do not set the timing that way. Obviously after watching the video you were looking at there’s a very particular Way to set the timing. Unfortunately one of your heads have to come off again.
Cómo cuánto cuestan. Estás herramientas para inmovilizar los cam
Thank u ❤❤
You’re very welcome welcome to the channel. Very happy to have you.!!!!
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My cams jumped when I removed the timing chains. I pulled the 3 followers out and neutralized the cams but they still jumped. Is there a solution to this?? Did I screw up badly??
More than likely not if you did not run it, think about how they moved ( clockwise or counterclockwise and move them back the opposite way you should be fine
If turning the camshaft while the crank is at top dead center can a valve bend like that ?
It depends on how much your turning it if you’re only turning at 5 to 15° you should be OK even 15° is still pushing it I think
Thanks
Are you close to Orlando i need you to do my f150 5.4
What brand of timing chain and gear set would you recommend
Cloyes. Is my favorite if you’re going to go with aftermarket. In this video I was using a very cheap Chinese set….
Wait you don’t make sure your crank shaft is at 6 o’clock ??
please how can I get this
Thinking bout bullet proofing my 5.4 hoping I could do it without messing up
Where can I find a timing chain kit and all tools if ya don't mind a dude asking
I usually just Google it I don’t have any particular preference on the parts. I suppose you could get cloyes and that would be the best parts you could get unless you got OEM
I will tell you that you’re better off just locking out the cam phasers and re-programming the ECM
I’ve actually got a video that I’ve been trying to finish up for a couple of days that describes exactly why these break and why replacing them is not a good idea you’re better off locking them out and I honestly did not used to believe that but I do believe it now because I know exactly why it happens.
All right brother wish you the best if you got any other questions it’s better to ask them on clays Ac and auto repair on the Facebook messenger IJS either way I try to answer them all
Where did you get that timing set from?
Probably off of Amazon or eBay
I've replaced timing chains, guides, tensioners. The timing marks all line up. The chain on the passenger side has a bit of slack. Not much but a little. should I be concerned? 2002 F 150 5.4
What happens to the chain when you turn the crank. Just a hair
When you do get a little bit more slack on the bottom chain or on the tensioner side of the chain I should say click the tensioner up one more time
Make sure your cams didn't get mixed up!! One is a hair longer than the other one
I see the timing you set with the key at 12 o'clock but book shows key at about 11 o'clock with sprocket mark at 6 o'clock I'm confused what is the right way to time it.
Yes it does not make a difference where it’s at as long as the links are all lined up and it’s close.... I know it seems a little bit confusing and I was doing one last week and I was thinking about the same thing I went back and looked at my video and thought maybe I was wrong but then I realized it really didn’t matter as long as I was close. And that the links were lined up
The links are the most important parts of this procedure
Cool brother. I was doing the timing chain for a friend in need at my shop. I never take these jobs bcz of the time it takes to do them and how careful you need to be. I watched video and went back and did it but his was a mess, it had no timing chains and it was all waked out of place bcz he tried doing himself. Make long story short, I moved the cams to correct spot moved crank to 12 o'clock on the keyway put the chain marks where they go and everything fell into place perfect all points matched. I will start putting front of engine together tomorrow. I was just waiting for feed back on the keyway location. Thank you very much I was stressing bcz I had none of the special tools everyone talks about but after I saw your video I realized they were not needed. Thank you
Keep in mind that if you moved the Cams. More than 15 to 20° you will more than likely bend the valves. That will certainly create problems...
one more question why did you leave the valve cover gasket in the way . why didn't you remove the gasket ?
I don’t remember, probably not necessary to move them
Can I reuse my old tensioner or do I need to buy new ones?
If it is good.
How do I know if its timed right? I moved the cam to where exactly you had your set up and the keyway at 12 o'clock. I put the black chain link on the dot of the sprocket that looked to be at about 7 o'clock on the crank. The 2 black links fell right on the L on left side and the same on the right side with the 2 black links falling exactly on the R at about one o'clock with the cam lobes pointing exactly to where your's were. After I had put everything together I turned the crank about 3 to 4 full turns and it turned pretty smooth by hand. And the chains are nice and tight. I didn't feel any interference when I turned crank by hand those 3 to 4 full turns. Anything you can throw in that I should look for. I'm doing this charity job for a friend that has fallen on hard times. His wife just died to covid and he lost his job I just felt bad and this is pretty much the help I can offer.
It will be time to write if all of the links lineup. Meaning the color codes on the bottom of the crank and the colors on the cam gears.
The only problem would be that if you moved the cams Too much like I said before any more than 1520° could possibly bend valves I wouldn’t worry too much about it if it’s happened it’s already happened.
I’m sure if you used your head you’ll be OK. Just put the front cover on hook as little bit up as possible. (just in case you have to take it apart)
Doing this procedure and getting it right will give you a very good leg up on repairs in the future so no matter how long it takes you to get it right just remember that eventually you will get your money back because you will be more confident in your work and understand what you’re doing much better.
Ok brother I pray all is well when I finish. His right side guides broke off and the chain must have jumped timing. It was running really rough and backfiring and no power. He took it apart and gave. Up And asked if I could help so I took it on. I hope it's ok. Thank you for your help I really appreciate you taking time to get back to me.
Well if that’s the case he more than likely bent a valve prior do you even working on it. Like I said before even if you end up spending way more time on it than what you want I promise you it will come back to you 10 times if you pay attention to what you’re doing and learn not only how to do it but while you’re doing it the way you’re doing it.
There was a small part in this video where I spoke about Cam followers. I explain that you do not have to remove them because we’re not moving the cams that much but if you had to move the cams further than the 15 to 20° that I spoke of then that’s where the problem will come from but even with that he had problems before you worked on it and could’ve possibly bent the valves before
Well brother I almost forgot to let you know the outcome of this timing situation. The chain on diver side had jumped, all the guides were dry rotted and crumbled like cookies they were in the oil pan. I turned that cam on passenger side about 4 to 5 times full turns trying to get it to fall into the correct spot. well I finally realized I had to guide it to the right spot just how you had yours on video and stop at the right spot just before it spun over on its own. I finally got it just right, I did the same on other side then I used the color guide on the chains and put them just how you show on the video everything aligned perfectly the first try. I tightened the new guides the new tensioners and I just put everything back together. At the end of the build I stuck key in thee ignition and said here goes nothing. The engine spun a half turn and kicked on ran like new. I jumped in took it down the road for test drive and all is great. The owner just drove a 10hr drive and said it runs better than ever. Brother if it wasn't for your video I would have given up I wouldn't even have tried. All these other videos guys were using all these special tools and taking off all the rockers and lifters and all that crap. I just learned simple good concentration careful work and a good partner to share ideas even over my cell phone media goes a long way. Thank you for your help and taking the time to get back to me with ideas and encouraging words I would have never finished or started this job without your help. Thank you brother.
Man that is freaking freaking so so awesome and I appreciate you taking the time to write that message I wish every situation turned out like yours.......
And hearing things like that from people like you are the reason that I don’t drive myself off the ledge someday so God bless you my brother thank you so much and have a great day and hopefully this year will be better than last
How long does it take to install these new timing chains ? I was quoted one week
I could see a guy taking one or two days a week not really
UPS just delivers my timing chain kit
I watch this video 6x I notice at end you started you car without coolant or Intake MAF sensor is that ok ?
Yep you can always start a vehicle without coolant inside it. Obviously you’re just wouldn’t run it very long and it was probably accidental that I had the map sensor unplugged
@@sharpcarco good to know. Wish me luck I started unpacking
When I got home I’m currently stuck on
Harmonic balancer and bolt 🤣
Harmonic balancer doesn’t have hole for bolts it’s new style harmonic balancer 👍🏻
I had a big problem, everything looked good in the markings but the car went wrong, it gave me delay codes, I was in doubt, the shop said it was out of time, it didn't accelerate and I had no power.
Hello, we have changed oil pump, timing belt and can phaser on 2007 F150 5.4L. But for some reason, bank two is rough and make vibration, of I remove the phaser sensor then it runs smooth but make the check engine light to poped in. Can you please suggest what is the reason for it and what should I do ?
I have one question did you drain the coolant?
The coolant can stay in the radiator and most of the coolant can stay in the engine, especially if you’re not replacing the water pump so really all you have to do is remove the upper hose
Really, though the answer to that question is in the video I would highly recommend watching each step of this video. I know I’m a little bit annoying but if I don’t put it in there, it isn’t needed to be done.
Sorry I must’ve missed your video was about the fifth one I watched, but I will be honest it was one of the most detailed, and I love the little fact tidbits at the bottom
Its not necessary to remove all roller followers to time the engine ?
It’s not necessary to remove any of them if you follow the instructions
@@sharpcarco question . I was taking my phasers off . I guess they had some tension . The shaft moved a bit. Is that going to throw me off ? Or don't worry about it ?
don't like the facts but the video is good .
Yeah, we been in an awkward situation? You use them stupid facts that I put at the bottom to break the ice.
Sorry, I’ve been doing videos for a long time and I get bored I just use them to make a little bit better and have a little bit more retention or lose somebody’s attention right away, which is not the type of people I want here so either way it works good for me
Y cuánto cuesta la herramienta para poner a tiempo el motor triton5:4 tres válvulas la que va en el cigueñal
$30-40 dlls en el amazon,
Why should you hold the camshafts with vise grips ?
You really shouldn’t. But some people don’t have access to the proper tools. And the area where I put them should not affect anything
@@sharpcarco is it necessary to to use the vise grips , because i saw a video of replacing the timing chain , after he removed the tensioner the cam spinned , so im confused right now i dont know if they used the vise grips to prevent this from happening or what
Hope you help me ASAP
Thanks .
Well if you hold them with the vice grips you won’t have to worry about them moving you will know when you’re doing it which direction they will want to move in.
You definitely do not want them to move if you do not remove the cam followers
As you can tell in the video I did not remove mine........ If you turn the engine cam too much you will bend the valves that’s why we use the vice grips to just ensure that that does not happen
@@sharpcarco you mean that the vise grip will block the cam from turning against any solid thing ?
And what are the tips that I should follow when im doing the timing job on my 5.4 3v
Thank you for responding and god bless you
Would you send me a copy of those pages in the book you are referencing please?
I’d be happy to but you have to reach out to me on Facebook we can’t send pictures on TH-cam I explain how to find me on Facebook at the beginning of the video that you may or may not have skipped through
Pause it @ 19:43 and take a good look.
Why is it so hard to get timing chain replaced and done properly. These people around here wants to replace the engine and engine runs fine truck is 2003 with 159000 mls.?
When it did it, it sprung and bent a valve
This is a 2011-14 f150 in the thumbnail???!!!! Wtf why
Sorry never noticed that we will correct it
Had to stop watching this due to all the useless trivia scrolling on the screen.
Bye 👋 Felicia.
Why do you put those weird facts at the bottom? I don’t think anyone cares about that stuff I’m only here for the tutorial not a write up on weird facts. Very distracting I might add.