I once heard that the contemporary music at Calvary Chapel in its early days was mostly sung at evening services or concerts and that the Sunday morning worship was pretty traditional. Anybody know if that is true?
@@davidstout6051 the Calvary Chapel I just went to was really low-key with the music just had two guys guitar and a bass and they sang the songs weren’t anything concerning and I even believe one of them was a really old song, but I do know this that all Calvary chapels are structured slightly in a different way I’m in the south the ones I’ve been exposed to recently seem small.
As a former Calvary Chapel pastor who grew up at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and was also converted to Christ through the ministry of Greg Laurie and who is now a Reformed Baptist Pastor. I thoroughly enjoyed this. I love both these men.
I got saved at Costa Mesa in 90 at Greg’s Monday night service. We’re reformed and amill but came back to Calvary chapel. We don’t adhere to their distinctives but love their outreach and zeal. I was OPC and it was too insular and divisive over non essentials
As one who was a sheep at Calvary Chapel Houston for over 17 years, I came to see a very dark side of Calvary, and the people who run it. But more than likely, it's probably more linked to my involvement with Houston, the teachers that came there and who were led to be Calvary pastors from there who mostly became problematic after I became a Calvinist. When they found out I was not holding to their soteriology any longer but a proper, biblical one of Calvinism, it was like it became a battle. Now David Gusik, I remember him only from his notes on Blue Letter Bible. I hope he is a Godly man who leads biblically and feeds his sheep to the best he can within the framework he holds to.
Dude, you have dirt. You know all about the CC brand, not a denomination, no, not that. Hypocrites even had a dove logo. Target college kids. It was culty as anything in the 90s. Line by line through the King James? Is that edifying. What's wrong with you people? You don't pray? And why Reformed Baptist? What year is this? 1650?
I go to a Calvary Chapel church in England…. And I am reformed….. so it’s quite interesting at times but I really love the fact that they are Bible centred and all that they do this discussion that you are having is one of the most enlightening and interesting things I’ve seen on TH-cam for a long time, thank you very much both of you
I lean more reformed now days but i have been incredibly blessed by Mike winger who was a Calvary chapel pastor, i think it is great seeing brother in Christ having conversations even though we may differ in certain things
whoah, enduring word commentary is one dude? That's impressive! I've made a fair bit of use of it over the years when called upon to prep home group studies!
You've had a Church of God pastor on and a Calvary Chapel pastor, that's awesome, I happen to be a Church of God pastor who was spiritually raised in Calvary Chapel.. and I'm a calvinist.. and I'm kinda nice😊
Love this! How about that, Christians from different theological perspectives getting together and treating each other like Christians. What a novel idea!
Thanks for this, pastor Keith. Pastor David has been very instrumental in my understanding of the Scriptures even though we don't agree in all areas of theology since I'm a Reformed Baptist. May the Lord continue to bless both of your ministries!
Before I even listen to this, two of my top bible teachers. I’ve relied on David’s enduring word commentary for a long time as a teacher, and who can argue with Keith’s denomination shorts.
Great episode. I appreciated getting to learn more about Calvary Chapel and Guzik's story and ministry. And as far as a movie goes, how about something about Sisera? I mean, that Jael, talk about a girl boss slaying the patriarchy, for the Lord.
One of the best interviews I've seen from the channel. Loved the question on who wrote Hebrews. Never heard of Luke being the author. Also liked the idea of Jonah being a movie!
I actually attend a Calvary Chapel as a Reformed believer. Mostly, because there are no Reformed Baptist churches near me. There are some things that I take small issues with, but I tend to enjoy the church and its fellowship.
Awesome dialogue! I attended a Calvary Chapel and was exposed to expository preaching and fell in love with it. After going for a year and hitting Ephesians 1, I became reformed, and I am now a member of a reformed Baptist church. Glory be to God for faithful teachers and preachers!
Pastor Chuck Smith was my pastor when I was a kid. Pastor Jack Hibbs at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills is now my pastor. Pastor Jack has been in the book of Romans and Hebrews for 4 years!
I attended Calvary Chapel in Fort Lauderdale for a couple years on and off about 10 years or so ago and I don’t remember anything Charismatic, I’ve always found that interesting. It makes sense what he’s saying,
I wholeheartedly agree that Hebrews was not written by Paul. Apollos is my usual candidate, though Luke is an interesting possibility. Ultimately of course it’s an unknown. Very enjoyable video.
Grew up in CC and even got married in CC. And now reformed. Sad to see what happened to Greg Laurie where he has gone. When I saw when he was a guest speaker at Gateway and praising Robert Morris as a great man of God I knew he left orthodoxy. There were signs before that, but I was hoping it wasn’t so. And what was he “teaching” on a Sunday at Gateway…his new movie, the Jesus Revolution.
I use enduring word along side other great commentaries. Really enjoyed this interview. I really dislike the constant arguing among Arminians and Calvinist and now Provisionist. We are busy shooting each other that we are not going after the real wolves in Christianity leading many to hell.
These guys are true elders in the Church. No mudslinging, no heresy hunting, but instead: "endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." Thanks Keith! (You're my second favorite Calvinist, after Tim Keller, of course. And I'm not even reformed!)
After my direct involvement being part of Calvary Chapel for over 17 years, and my dealings with several Calvary pastors i.e. at Calvary Chapel Houston including many pastors from other calvaries, and coming to understand their poor leadership, which is indicative of their poor ecclesiology, and their childish stance against calvinism, not to mention their unbiblical soteriology and eschatology, it would be very difficult to have a discussion with a calvaryite which would end well because none of them have ended well. There might be some really good Calvary Chapel churches which are led by good Godly men, but they all still have to hold strictly to the Calvary Chapel Distinctions right? Yes, there is a book of Calvary Distinctives which every pastor must adhere to in order to be part of calvary's denomination....and yes, Calvary is a denomination even though they fight tooth and nail claiming they are not.....they are, for the Distinctives prove they are.
Keith, as far as Pauline authorship of Hebrews goes I think there is a valid explanation of that phrase in chapter 2. Paul wasn’t shy about saying that he received traditions from the church and other apostles. 1 Corinth 15 “For I delivered as of first importance that which I received” Besides, it always circulated with the other letters of Paul and it was always quoted as being from Paul. Even by Origen who famously said “God only knows who wrote it (as in who the scribe was)” and then goes on to quote Hebrews “As Saint Paul says..” If you accept the historical arguments for Matthew being first, you should reconsider the arguments for Pauline authorship of Hebrews! :)
Keith you touched on something that I have been thinking about alot and that pastor David also addressed and that is im not convinced we are preparing people for the pastoral office in a biblical way. Im not convinced that you can really have pastors that aren't elders and i would much rather see local church's raising up the men of their church's through the ranks to eventually become elders and fill the roles of pastors.
I, like many other commenters here, also go to a Calvary Chapel but lean reformed (I would consider myself a 5-point Calvinist and a “classic-and-nuanced” cessasionist, but I am also a premillennial dispensationalist w/o charts 😂). Overall, they preach the true gospel at my particular Calvary Chapel. My pastor, quotes Spurgeon and John MacArthur constantly and has taught things that seem borderline Calvinist, but I’m pretty sure he is not. Generally speaking, I cannot stand the music portion of our church services. The focus always seems more on musicianship and sound quality than on teaching sound doctrine through song. They choose mostly Bethel and Bethel-type contemporary songs and the decibels are around 90 or above. It definitely feels like a concert and I can’t hear anyone singing next to me. We will occasionally do hymns, but they are often adapted. My husband was raised Assemblies of God Pentecostal and this is as tame and Bible-focused as I can get, so I am very grateful. Previously, we had been going to some crazy charismatic churches, so I asked for years and years for this compromise. I would say it is not acceptable in our church for people to speak in “tongues“ out loud so others can hear during our services, nor “prophesy.” In conclusion, though I would rather go to some of the Calvinistic Baptist churches with hymnals in my area, I am prepared to be satisfied with my Calvary Chapel because they are not outright Arminian, they teach verse by verse through the Bible, and I never see people “operating in the gifts of the spirit” during service. However, the music with dim lights and loud volume does seem rather emotionally manipulated, and though there aren’t a lot of people with hands raised, they still seem very emotionally hyped up during that portion of the service. Thank you for this video. I needed to see it and it gave me more peace about going to a CC in spite of my theological differences.
I go to a Calvary Chapel, but I’m a 5 point Calvinist, Vossian, Amiller. The Reformed churches we were members of were insular and schismatic over non essentials. So I rock it at a great Calvary Chapel church that reaches out to the area. I disagree with the the non reformed teaching but love my brethren and won’t cause a ruckus over it.
You should look into Tim Keller, Gavin Ortlund, Ray Ortlund, Tim Challies, Mike McGarry, Jon Nielson, Martin Lloyd Jones, Sam Allberry, and I'm sure if you look you can find more. God has predestined many Calvinists to be gentle ;)
Thanks I’m actually looking for a church and Calvary Chapel is the one we have been looking into it’s the only verse by verse church in my area. I’m reformed/ Calvinist leaning . Not charismatic really but I definitely felt comfortable there! Thanks!
In my experience Calvary Chapel is considered charismatic but really is more of a practical cessationism. It's more of an if God wanted to use someone to lay hands on someone and heal them it could happen, but it doesn't really happen. I've never seen sign gifts like tongues, healing, prophesying done other than some individuals who came from a Pentecostal background, and that's been outside of the church gathering.
@@flikkerdans4015 I’ll be honest that’s kinda my opinion about spiritual gifts…. I believe any of it could happen and not sure if it does or doesn’t . I personally can’t tell from scripture alone enough to be a full on cessationist but I haven’t EVER seen anything that has convinced me that it was legitimate…not completely without a doubt.
Keith, with the utmost respect your interpretation on 1 Cor 11 and head coverings was shockingly lacking in proper hermeneutics. Do you think that in the last century our theologians have suddenly got greater insight than 2000 years of church history and theologians who all taught women’s head covering? Suddenly the 21st century theologians are smarter than all who went before? You don’t think it might have something to do with the feminism movement and women burning their head coverings in the 1960’s as a sign of defiance against male headship? If you are going to interpret the passage of head covering being cultural then you need to apply the same interpretation to male headship being cultural. God bless.
I have been searching this too and it seems this is a very modern teaching. Mainly sense feminism movement in the west. Seems all throughout history and culture women covers their head and still do in many cultures. What’s hard is now our culture does not wear them and if I were to suddenly show up to church covered it could be perceived like I am trying to look more righteous than others or draw attention to myself. I have been wrestling with this for a couple months.
@@bethechurchministry I never covered, and was raised to believe it was cultural. I spent about 3 years sorting through this, including Mike Winger's video, because despite 41 years of being told it wasn't needed, I could not shake the feeling that I needed to. Needless to say, I now cover full time, and I am the only person in my church, or town of 25,000 that I know of that does. Yes, it made my friends circle start talking and raised some questions! I didn't go crazy...I just wear triangle headbands over my ponytail or very wide headbands. When asked, I keep it simple: I cover because after 3 years of study, I feel like the Lord tells Christian women to do so in 1 Corinthians. If your interested in learning more, I'll be happy to talk to you and if not, that's OK too!" That generally shuts down anyone who wants to debate or be argumentative, but also makes it clear that I am just trying to be obedient to the best of my ability, and not seem to self righteous.
@@bethechurchministry I am the only one at my church that covers. If anyone thinks I am self righteous then that is their own problem or their own personal guilt. I do often find it hard to cover being the only one. It grieves me that my Christian sisters (and brothers!) completely ignore this section of scripture. There are often tears on a Sunday morning before church. However I remind myself that my fear of God is greater than my fear of man and if there is suffering involved then that is my honour.
Who was it that said that Calvary Chapel was a great pipeline for the Reformed faith. Obviously this is true 😉 I have attended a CC church for over 20 years and this has led me to desire more theological depth as I have become Reformed in my Faith. I have become concerned in recent years as the CC movement has become increasingly Dispensational and has increased its focus upon politics and prophecy. Time will tell ...
I love David Guzik and have used his commentary a lot in the past. I enjoyed this interview a lot. Just for clarity, that quote if Spurgeon about being either arminian or calvinist was in response to the hyper calvinists who were accusing him of being arminian. He wasn't actually saying that he didn't really know or that there was some sort of middle position. It was sort of a sarcastic rhetorical response to the hyper calvinists accusing him of being an arminian because he believed in the free offer of the gospel. That's what he was referring to. That quote is brought up all the time to say that Spurgeon was somewhere more in the middle and it's just not correct.
Hi Chris, just a quick comment to say that I agree - Spurgeon was a definite Calvinist through his entire ministry, and not in some "middle ground." I think his comment, as well as being a jab at the hyper Calvinists of his day, was also his way of indicating that he didn't think Arminianism was a damnable heresy, though of course he thought it was wrong and not what the Bible taught.
@@DavidGuzikhey brother David! I'm so glad to see you in the comments and even took the time to read my comment! I really love your work and your heart brother. I totally agree with your assessment of what you just said. I hope my comment didn't come across as uncheritable. I always know there's the chance that the person could see my comment so I try to write with that in mind but sometimes tone doesn't convey well in text. I can attribute my early Christian walk and growth in large part to Calvary Chapel camarillo and ventura (if you know since riverside is not too far) and one of the pastors would make the comment about Spurgeon and arminianism and I learned later the bigger context to the quote and thought it would be informative. This is already long but in case you read this I want you to know how much your commentary helped me in putting together my very first Bible study going through the gospel of Mark a few years ago. It really helped me so much and even though I'm reformed I found it more practical and insightful than a lot of other stuff. I used to think of Mark as a lesser gospel that it didn't have anything that Matthew didn't have. But through that bible study I learned to treasure Mark and His message of the Messiah come to die for sinners. God bless you brother David and thank you!
I went to CC while in bible college & was baptized by my pastor at the time…he was having affairs with married women in the church. This is no reflection on CC but I stopped attending after that. My current issue is their fervent Zionism & obsession with dispensational (read: incorrect) eschatology. I do like the verse by verse expository teaching & will listen to the local radio station from time to time but invariably they always find a way to make it about supporting Talmudists who hate our Lord.
Calvary Chapel is awesome in it's preaching style and doctrinal fidelity. The music is great as well. However, one valid condemnation of CC is that it's casual church style most likely led to the dressed down, skinny jeans pragmatism that has been a metastatic cancer in evangelical circles. Putting on your Sunday best and taking a traditional approach to church shows respect to God. Long term outcomes of casual church has produced a very low quality version of Christianity.
I grew up in Calvary Chapel, so this is lots of fun, but I am shocked that you didn't specifically ask about dispensationalism real quick out of the gate lol.
I find the QC lacking with Calvary Chapel. Come have solid theologians as Pastors and others are lacking in knowledge. A little too loosy goosy with who gets the Pastor title.
I did not like The Jesus Revolution movie. Lonnie Frisbee's ongoing homosexuality was covered over and to me there was no clear gospel message given in the film. I did appreciate that the foot-washing as a necessary thing to do and not taken out of the Bible and misapplied as a ceremony. I also did not like the secular 70's? rock music used in a Christian film. There are much better things to be edified by on TH-cam. I thought that Calvary Chapel ( at least Chuck Smith) was quite opposed to calvinism.
I agree! Lonnie was not a man of God to be praised. Also a lot of bad theology and movements were birthed out of that movement. Yes good came too but we need to be careful propping up the movement and sugar coating all the bad theology, rock n roll music ect ….
Agreed. Frisbee is closer to a cautionary tale than a role model to be emulated. As yes, especially evident in the Jack Hibbs portion of CC, they are strongly Dispy and anti-Calvinist. My pastor does as well, acknowledging being a good friend of Hibbs
Guzik allowing that the Church is separate from Israel puts him in the minority of CC pastors inasmuch as all I have ever seen closely tie our salvation with the unqualified support of the nation of Israel; going so far as to say that if you don't support the nation of Israel you are in error and deceived by Satan. (That's quite the single sentence 🤨 😄)
The Puritan tradition has very high correlation with the Reformed faith so you are anti your professed faith. And Johnathon Edwards was perhaps the greatest Theologian this continent has ever seen 😬
I wholeheartedly agree that Hebrews was not written by Paul. Apollos is my usual candidate, though Luke is an interesting possibility. Ultimately of course it’s an unknown. Very enjoyable video.
Notice the doxology and final sentence of almost all Pauline writings. How interesting that Hebrews has the doxology and final sentence nearly identical to the others.
Foskey I was saved out of a Faith based 1 year men’s recovery program. I love you even more now that i know you teach at a treatment center
I once heard that the contemporary music at Calvary Chapel in its early days was mostly sung at evening services or concerts and that the Sunday morning worship was pretty traditional. Anybody know if that is true?
@@davidstout6051 the Calvary Chapel I just went to was really low-key with the music just had two guys guitar and a bass and they sang the songs weren’t anything concerning and I even believe one of them was a really old song, but I do know this that all Calvary chapels are structured slightly in a different way I’m in the south the ones I’ve been exposed to recently seem small.
As a former Calvary Chapel pastor who grew up at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and was also converted to Christ through the ministry of Greg Laurie and who is now a Reformed Baptist Pastor. I thoroughly enjoyed this. I love both these men.
I'm former Calvary Chapel now reformed too. Calvary Chapel produces so many calvinists because they encourage verse by verse exegesis.
I got saved at Costa Mesa in 90 at Greg’s Monday night service. We’re reformed and amill but came back to Calvary chapel. We don’t adhere to their distinctives but love their outreach and zeal. I was OPC and it was too insular and divisive over non essentials
As one who was a sheep at Calvary Chapel Houston for over 17 years, I came to see a very dark side of Calvary, and the people who run it.
But more than likely, it's probably more linked to my involvement with Houston, the teachers that came there and who were led to be Calvary pastors from there who mostly became problematic after I became a Calvinist. When they found out I was not holding to their soteriology any longer but a proper, biblical one of Calvinism, it was like it became a battle.
Now David Gusik, I remember him only from his notes on Blue Letter Bible. I hope he is a Godly man who leads biblically and feeds his sheep to the best he can within the framework he holds to.
Dude, you have dirt. You know all about the CC brand, not a denomination, no, not that. Hypocrites even had a dove logo. Target college kids. It was culty as anything in the 90s. Line by line through the King James? Is that edifying. What's wrong with you people? You don't pray?
And why Reformed Baptist? What year is this? 1650?
So would that make you a Calvarist?😊
A conversation done with respect and grace.
These are officially the 2 nicest gentlemen in church history
I go to a Calvary Chapel church in England…. And I am reformed….. so it’s quite interesting at times but I really love the fact that they are Bible centred and all that they do this discussion that you are having is one of the most enlightening and interesting things I’ve seen on TH-cam for a long time, thank you very much both of you
That's why you're in diapers. Grow up, man of God. This ain't Cromwell's protectorate.
I grew up Calvary Chapel. Great to see this! Thanks Keith and David!
David Guzik was my first teacher in Church history and R. Scott Clark was my last.
It was fun to hear about both in one podcast.
I lean more reformed now days but i have been incredibly blessed by Mike winger who was a Calvary chapel pastor, i think it is great seeing brother in Christ having conversations even though we may differ in certain things
You’re a gracious man, Keith. Respectful even with those you disagree. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for including CC in this series
Thank you Keith and David, great conversation 🙂
whoah, enduring word commentary is one dude? That's impressive! I've made a fair bit of use of it over the years when called upon to prep home group studies!
"He's not like most Calvinist....He's nice..." Best lyric EVER! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well it's a truth disguised as a Joke
You've had a Church of God pastor on and a Calvary Chapel pastor, that's awesome, I happen to be a Church of God pastor who was spiritually raised in Calvary Chapel.. and I'm a calvinist.. and I'm kinda nice😊
Love this! How about that, Christians from different theological perspectives getting together and treating each other like Christians. What a novel idea!
I love Calvary Chapels.
Great interview! I go to a Calvary even though I lean reformed. The verse by verse teaching I enjoy.
I’m so glad you interviewed this man. I have used his Enduring Word commentary in my Bible study and I love his work.
Hi Kaleb. I have used it a lot in the past too. Very good and accessible commentary.
I enjoyed this conversation.
Thanks for this, pastor Keith. Pastor David has been very instrumental in my understanding of the Scriptures even though we don't agree in all areas of theology since I'm a Reformed Baptist. May the Lord continue to bless both of your ministries!
Before I even listen to this, two of my top bible teachers. I’ve relied on David’s enduring word commentary for a long time as a teacher, and who can argue with Keith’s denomination shorts.
Wow, I loved this interview and look forward to adding Guzik to my commentaries rotation, despite theological differences.
This is a beautiful discussion and I really enjoyed both of you and Pastor Guzik is wonderful
Great conversation. Thank you both.
Great episode. I appreciated getting to learn more about Calvary Chapel and Guzik's story and ministry. And as far as a movie goes, how about something about Sisera? I mean, that Jael, talk about a girl boss slaying the patriarchy, for the Lord.
One of the best interviews I've seen from the channel. Loved the question on who wrote Hebrews. Never heard of Luke being the author. Also liked the idea of Jonah being a movie!
James White also put forth this possibility as well.
Love his commentary
I actually attend a Calvary Chapel as a Reformed believer. Mostly, because there are no Reformed Baptist churches near me. There are some things that I take small issues with, but I tend to enjoy the church and its fellowship.
Well done! Thank you!
Wonderful collaboration! You guys have great chemistry! You should have him on more often! 😇😇😇
Awesome dialogue! I attended a Calvary Chapel and was exposed to expository preaching and fell in love with it. After going for a year and hitting Ephesians 1, I became reformed, and I am now a member of a reformed Baptist church. Glory be to God for faithful teachers and preachers!
Pastor Chuck Smith was my pastor when I was a kid. Pastor Jack Hibbs at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills is now my pastor. Pastor Jack has been in the book of Romans and Hebrews for 4 years!
Have used Pastor Guziks teaching, so appreciate it, and of course, so appreciate Pastor Foskey
This has been a great interview. I would love to someone from the RPCNA, or Matthew Everhard on a Bow tie Dialogue.
I am a reformed, Calvinist brother, but sometimes we Calvinists become too tribal
Yes, Matthian Priority. Love it!!!
I attended Calvary Chapel in Fort Lauderdale for a couple years on and off about 10 years or so ago and I don’t remember anything Charismatic, I’ve always found that interesting. It makes sense what he’s saying,
I wholeheartedly agree that Hebrews was not written by Paul. Apollos is my usual candidate, though Luke is an interesting possibility. Ultimately of course it’s an unknown. Very enjoyable video.
Grew up in CC and even got married in CC. And now reformed. Sad to see what happened to Greg Laurie where he has gone. When I saw when he was a guest speaker at Gateway and praising Robert Morris as a great man of God I knew he left orthodoxy. There were signs before that, but I was hoping it wasn’t so. And what was he “teaching” on a Sunday at Gateway…his new movie, the Jesus Revolution.
This is a cool series! I look forward to your future videos!
I use enduring word along side other great commentaries. Really enjoyed this interview.
I really dislike the constant arguing among Arminians and Calvinist and now Provisionist. We are busy shooting each other that we are not going after the real wolves in Christianity leading many to hell.
Nice chat. Love enduring word.
These guys are true elders in the Church. No mudslinging, no heresy hunting, but instead: "endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." Thanks Keith! (You're my second favorite Calvinist, after Tim Keller, of course. And I'm not even reformed!)
Pastor Foskey, have you seen the film, Paul apostle of Christ? It features Jim Caviezel as Luke. If so I’d love to hear your thoughts
After my direct involvement being part of Calvary Chapel for over 17 years, and my dealings with several Calvary pastors i.e. at Calvary Chapel Houston including many pastors from other calvaries, and coming to understand their poor leadership, which is indicative of their poor ecclesiology, and their childish stance against calvinism, not to mention their unbiblical soteriology and eschatology, it would be very difficult to have a discussion with a calvaryite which would end well because none of them have ended well.
There might be some really good Calvary Chapel churches which are led by good Godly men, but they all still have to hold strictly to the Calvary Chapel Distinctions right? Yes, there is a book of Calvary Distinctives which every pastor must adhere to in order to be part of calvary's denomination....and yes, Calvary is a denomination even though they fight tooth and nail claiming they are not.....they are, for the Distinctives prove they are.
Keith, as far as Pauline authorship of Hebrews goes I think there is a valid explanation of that phrase in chapter 2. Paul wasn’t shy about saying that he received traditions from the church and other apostles. 1 Corinth 15 “For I delivered as of first importance that which I received”
Besides, it always circulated with the other letters of Paul and it was always quoted as being from Paul. Even by Origen who famously said “God only knows who wrote it (as in who the scribe was)” and then goes on to quote Hebrews “As Saint Paul says..”
If you accept the historical arguments for Matthew being first, you should reconsider the arguments for Pauline authorship of Hebrews! :)
Head coverings are because women are the glory of men and only Gods glory should be on display during service
@Katerina-oo4ju being so glorious you need a little veiling is pretty nice id imagine. Didnt mean to belittle women by any means ❤
Keith you touched on something that I have been thinking about alot and that pastor David also addressed and that is im not convinced we are preparing people for the pastoral office in a biblical way. Im not convinced that you can really have pastors that aren't elders and i would much rather see local church's raising up the men of their church's through the ranks to eventually become elders and fill the roles of pastors.
I, like many other commenters here, also go to a Calvary Chapel but lean reformed (I would consider myself a 5-point Calvinist and a “classic-and-nuanced” cessasionist, but I am also a premillennial dispensationalist w/o charts 😂).
Overall, they preach the true gospel at my particular Calvary Chapel. My pastor, quotes Spurgeon and John MacArthur constantly and has taught things that seem borderline Calvinist, but I’m pretty sure he is not.
Generally speaking, I cannot stand the music portion of our church services. The focus always seems more on musicianship and sound quality than on teaching sound doctrine through song. They choose mostly Bethel and Bethel-type contemporary songs and the decibels are around 90 or above. It definitely feels like a concert and I can’t hear anyone singing next to me. We will occasionally do hymns, but they are often adapted.
My husband was raised Assemblies of God Pentecostal and this is as tame and Bible-focused as I can get, so I am very grateful. Previously, we had been going to some crazy charismatic churches, so I asked for years and years for this compromise. I would say it is not acceptable in our church for people to speak in “tongues“ out loud so others can hear during our services, nor “prophesy.”
In conclusion, though I would rather go to some of the Calvinistic Baptist churches with hymnals in my area, I am prepared to be satisfied with my Calvary Chapel because they are not outright Arminian, they teach verse by verse through the Bible, and I never see people “operating in the gifts of the spirit” during service. However, the music with dim lights and loud volume does seem rather emotionally manipulated, and though there aren’t a lot of people with hands raised, they still seem very emotionally hyped up during that portion of the service.
Thank you for this video. I needed to see it and it gave me more peace about going to a CC in spite of my theological differences.
Our Sunday School group leader uses Guzik as one of the commentaries regularly in his notes.
I go to a Calvary Chapel, but I’m a 5 point Calvinist, Vossian, Amiller. The Reformed churches we were members of were insular and schismatic over non essentials. So I rock it at a great Calvary Chapel church that reaches out to the area. I disagree with the the non reformed teaching but love my brethren and won’t cause a ruckus over it.
Thanks to the TH-cam algorithm I finally found a nice Calvinist.
You should look into Tim Keller, Gavin Ortlund, Ray Ortlund, Tim Challies, Mike McGarry, Jon Nielson, Martin Lloyd Jones, Sam Allberry, and I'm sure if you look you can find more. God has predestined many Calvinists to be gentle ;)
Haha. Douglas Wilson is my main Calvinist.
Great Value Richard Dreyfuss? What about Bob? 😂 Seriously though your guest seems like a great guy
I thought that immediately
Thanks I’m actually looking for a church and Calvary Chapel is the one we have been looking into it’s the only verse by verse church in my area. I’m reformed/ Calvinist leaning . Not charismatic really but I definitely felt comfortable there! Thanks!
In my experience Calvary Chapel is considered charismatic but really is more of a practical cessationism. It's more of an if God wanted to use someone to lay hands on someone and heal them it could happen, but it doesn't really happen. I've never seen sign gifts like tongues, healing, prophesying done other than some individuals who came from a Pentecostal background, and that's been outside of the church gathering.
@@flikkerdans4015 I’ll be honest that’s kinda my opinion about spiritual gifts…. I believe any of it could happen and not sure if it does or doesn’t . I personally can’t tell from scripture alone enough to be a full on cessationist but I haven’t EVER seen anything that has convinced me that it was legitimate…not completely without a doubt.
Is it just me, or does watching David Guzik make you feel like after enough baby steps you could go sailing?
Hahaha! I totally said he looked like Richard Dreyfus lol
What about Keith?
Coming Soon: Reformed Calvary Chapel Jacksonville, FL 😂
Keith, with the utmost respect your interpretation on 1 Cor 11 and head coverings was shockingly lacking in proper hermeneutics. Do you think that in the last century our theologians have suddenly got greater insight than 2000 years of church history and theologians who all taught women’s head covering? Suddenly the 21st century theologians are smarter than all who went before? You don’t think it might have something to do with the feminism movement and women burning their head coverings in the 1960’s as a sign of defiance against male headship? If you are going to interpret the passage of head covering being cultural then you need to apply the same interpretation to male headship being cultural. God bless.
I have been searching this too and it seems this is a very modern teaching. Mainly sense feminism movement in the west. Seems all throughout history and culture women covers their head and still do in many cultures.
What’s hard is now our culture does not wear them and if I were to suddenly show up to church covered it could be perceived like I am trying to look more righteous than others or draw attention to myself.
I have been wrestling with this for a couple months.
@@bethechurchministry I never covered, and was raised to believe it was cultural. I spent about 3 years sorting through this, including Mike Winger's video, because despite 41 years of being told it wasn't needed, I could not shake the feeling that I needed to. Needless to say, I now cover full time, and I am the only person in my church, or town of 25,000 that I know of that does. Yes, it made my friends circle start talking and raised some questions! I didn't go crazy...I just wear triangle headbands over my ponytail or very wide headbands. When asked, I keep it simple: I cover because after 3 years of study, I feel like the Lord tells Christian women to do so in 1 Corinthians. If your interested in learning more, I'll be happy to talk to you and if not, that's OK too!" That generally shuts down anyone who wants to debate or be argumentative, but also makes it clear that I am just trying to be obedient to the best of my ability, and not seem to self righteous.
@@bethechurchministry I am the only one at my church that covers. If anyone thinks I am self righteous then that is their own problem or their own personal guilt. I do often find it hard to cover being the only one. It grieves me that my Christian sisters (and brothers!) completely ignore this section of scripture. There are often tears on a Sunday morning before church. However I remind myself that my fear of God is greater than my fear of man and if there is suffering involved then that is my honour.
@@emilyolson5624 Thank you for sharing this with me! Very inspiring! God Bless you and your obedience to HIM!
@@margotbiggs4260 Thank you for sharing! This gives me inspiration. God Bless you sister!
Who was it that said that Calvary Chapel was a great pipeline for the Reformed faith.
Obviously this is true 😉
I have attended a CC church for over 20 years and this has led me to desire more theological depth as I have become Reformed in my Faith.
I have become concerned in recent years as the CC movement has become increasingly Dispensational and has increased its focus upon politics and prophecy. Time will tell ...
A movie on the munster rebellion would be amazing
Keith, if you're gonna do Servant of All, gotta go all the way as Psalty the Singing Songbook!
When are we getting a "Tiny Bibles" rendition of Don Ho's Tiny Bubbles?
Oh my goodness I've always thought David look like Richard Dreyfus
I love David Guzik and have used his commentary a lot in the past. I enjoyed this interview a lot. Just for clarity, that quote if Spurgeon about being either arminian or calvinist was in response to the hyper calvinists who were accusing him of being arminian. He wasn't actually saying that he didn't really know or that there was some sort of middle position. It was sort of a sarcastic rhetorical response to the hyper calvinists accusing him of being an arminian because he believed in the free offer of the gospel. That's what he was referring to. That quote is brought up all the time to say that Spurgeon was somewhere more in the middle and it's just not correct.
Hi Chris, just a quick comment to say that I agree - Spurgeon was a definite Calvinist through his entire ministry, and not in some "middle ground." I think his comment, as well as being a jab at the hyper Calvinists of his day, was also his way of indicating that he didn't think Arminianism was a damnable heresy, though of course he thought it was wrong and not what the Bible taught.
@@DavidGuzikhey brother David! I'm so glad to see you in the comments and even took the time to read my comment! I really love your work and your heart brother. I totally agree with your assessment of what you just said. I hope my comment didn't come across as uncheritable. I always know there's the chance that the person could see my comment so I try to write with that in mind but sometimes tone doesn't convey well in text. I can attribute my early Christian walk and growth in large part to Calvary Chapel camarillo and ventura (if you know since riverside is not too far) and one of the pastors would make the comment about Spurgeon and arminianism and I learned later the bigger context to the quote and thought it would be informative.
This is already long but in case you read this I want you to know how much your commentary helped me in putting together my very first Bible study going through the gospel of Mark a few years ago. It really helped me so much and even though I'm reformed I found it more practical and insightful than a lot of other stuff. I used to think of Mark as a lesser gospel that it didn't have anything that Matthew didn't have. But through that bible study I learned to treasure Mark and His message of the Messiah come to die for sinners.
God bless you brother David and thank you!
Angel of the Lord = Jesus? I would say yes and that puts Jesus all through it. Thoughts?
have young richard dreyfuss there contact loor with those movie ideas plz!
Yes, I love that theme song. I sing it in the shower 🚿 to the horror of my wife 😅
I went to CC while in bible college & was baptized by my pastor at the time…he was having affairs with married women in the church. This is no reflection on CC but I stopped attending after that. My current issue is their fervent Zionism & obsession with dispensational (read: incorrect) eschatology. I do like the verse by verse expository teaching & will listen to the local radio station from time to time but invariably they always find a way to make it about supporting Talmudists who hate our Lord.
Calvary Chapel is awesome in it's preaching style and doctrinal fidelity. The music is great as well.
However, one valid condemnation of CC is that it's casual church style most likely led to the dressed down, skinny jeans pragmatism that has been a metastatic cancer in evangelical circles.
Putting on your Sunday best and taking a traditional approach to church shows respect to God.
Long term outcomes of casual church has produced a very low quality version of Christianity.
Wait did Lutheran satire do the musical intro?
Yep! Hans did a great job 👏
@@ConversationswithaCalvinist lol I posted this comment before listening to the whole video! I recognized that voice immediately. Good job
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spurgeon showing his "cage stage" on sermon #7 lol
I grew up in Calvary Chapel, so this is lots of fun, but I am shocked that you didn't specifically ask about dispensationalism real quick out of the gate lol.
Im sorry Keith, but Veggie Tales happens to be the most accurate Bible Movies hands down.. 🍅 🥒
I find the QC lacking with Calvary Chapel. Come have solid theologians as Pastors and others are lacking in knowledge. A little too loosy goosy with who gets the Pastor title.
I did not like The Jesus Revolution movie. Lonnie Frisbee's ongoing homosexuality was covered over and to me there was no clear gospel message given in the film. I did appreciate that the foot-washing as a necessary thing to do and not taken out of the Bible and misapplied as a ceremony. I also did not like the secular 70's? rock music used in a Christian film. There are much better things to be edified by on TH-cam. I thought that Calvary Chapel ( at least Chuck Smith) was quite opposed to calvinism.
I agree! Lonnie was not a man of God to be praised. Also a lot of bad theology and movements were birthed out of that movement.
Yes good came too but we need to be careful propping up the movement and sugar coating all the bad theology, rock n roll music ect ….
@@bethechurchministry Amen. Well stated.
Agreed. Frisbee is closer to a cautionary tale than a role model to be emulated.
As yes, especially evident in the Jack Hibbs portion of CC, they are strongly Dispy and anti-Calvinist. My pastor does as well, acknowledging being a good friend of Hibbs
Guzik allowing that the Church is separate from Israel puts him in the minority of CC pastors inasmuch as all I have ever seen closely tie our salvation with the unqualified support of the nation of Israel; going so far as to say that if you don't support the nation of Israel you are in error and deceived by Satan.
(That's quite the single sentence 🤨 😄)
Not Calvinist or Armenian. So they're Lutheran. Got it.
Sorry, you have to choose one.
Either God is sovereign.
Or He is not 🤨
i am pro reform anti catholic and anti puritan
The Puritan tradition has very high correlation with the Reformed faith so you are anti your professed faith. And Johnathon Edwards was perhaps the greatest Theologian this continent has ever seen 😬
Bro, you seriously contradicted yourself with that comment. You can't be both pro-Reformed and anti-Puritan at the same time.
I wholeheartedly agree that Hebrews was not written by Paul. Apollos is my usual candidate, though Luke is an interesting possibility. Ultimately of course it’s an unknown. Very enjoyable video.
Notice the doxology and final sentence of almost all Pauline writings. How interesting that Hebrews has the doxology and final sentence nearly identical to the others.