If this video gets 10,000 likes, I'll do a video Oriental Orthodoxy! (also as usual the "return dislike extension" is not accurate so if it looks like my videos have a lot of dislikes, they really don't)
@@JoWilliams-ud4eu Our theology is pretty similar to EO, except that we have the view that Jesus had one, singular nature that was both divine AND man, and that therefore He united God and man together, allowing us to join Him and partake in the divine essence, and therefore be saved.
@@RoyalLudrothHunterRZ had „beef“ (not that serious) with the Orthodox for months for falsely presenting the EO faith because of his biases hahahah this is the first (almost) unbiased video I have seen from him
@@RoyalLudrothHunter yeah, there are, even Redeemed Zoomer made some. I'm not orthodox (seriously thinking about becoming orthodox though) but it was something to point out.
@@ZeptoBit_ I was an enquirer that is now part of the Church and it's the best thing I have ever done in my life. If you can speak to a priest and attend Catechism I highly recommend it.
Yeah except he calls us a denomination. We are not a denomination. We are the faith. They are all pretending and misleading people. Especially this guy here.
@@Theofilus144 that’s a load of crap and nobody inside orthodoxy would ever say such nonsense. If you are talking about Rome then mind your business and go pray with the Jews and Muslims.
I think eastern orthodoxy makes the most sense to me. I love that they predicted secularism due to the wears over rationality and not believing fully in the unknown and accepting it. I also like how we can't comprehend God we can just experience the energies.
It actually doesn’t. Throughout scripture God has mad his presence know for us to understand him. If you rely on He the Holy Spirit you will start to gain an understanding of God. I personally feel your explanation is a cop out not to have a personal relationship with God. Hence why i will stick to baptist. Ain’t nothing like having a loving relationship with my creator.
100%! Cradle non-religious turned Antiochian Orthodox here. Attend a divine liturgy and see what we're all about. It is life changing. It doesn't matter what your background is or which Orthodox jurisdiction you attend. Holy tradition is the eternal home of us all.
You might want to read the entire bible sometime to see what your church is getting right and wrong. Going to church does not save you. You must be born again and really try and get baptised. I know they were fancy robes and they have elaborate ceremonies but christianity is about a personal relationship.
I was raised Protestant and converted to Orthodoxy 3 years ago. I’m the only Orthodox in my family and social circle-everyone else is Protestant and many of them have beautiful, awe-inspiring faith. My priest put it well: “We know where God is [referring to the Orthodox Church], but we cannot say where He is not.” While I believe orthodoxy is the truth, I always hesitate to say that all others outside it won’t be saved. We don’t know how God will work in the hearts and lives of others. I’m grateful for my Protestant upbringing and I’m also grateful God brought me to Orthodoxy. Thank you for a wonderful video 🤍
Well he lied to you because historical orthodox position is in the ecclesium nulla silus... there is no salvation outside of thr church (orthodox church).
The Council of Nicaea II is very clear that unless you subscribe to icon veneration, you are anathema. Anathema is understood at the time as being separation from God and being cast into the outer darkness. Exclusivity is in the EO DNA.
@@bobbobberson5627 You dont see how condemning trinitarian, Bible faithful, Creed reciting and Jesus loving Christians to Hell over secondary stuff like icons is controversial?
@@bobbobberson5627 "Now anathema is nothing less than complete separation from God." - Patriarch Tarasius who was at Nicaea II in 787 writing to Empress Irene. Why must you lie like Nicaea II lied about Jesus' supposed letter to King Abgar?
@@bobbobberson5627 Patriarch Tarasius clearly thinks anathema means damnation. So stop lying about your church. Like the forgery riddled Nicaea ii lied about the Early Church.
It's for educational pourposes. The Gold it's not to analyse it but, it's to understand it. As christians, even if you are 100% assured of your Church, it's not negative to understand other sectors/denomanations. Like me, i am Protestant but i can interact with you guys and speak about things that you guys affirm.
@greekguy74 Ofcause he is biassed. He is Reformed. You are biased to for your denomination. Does that strike you as an odd thing? There's a difference between being biased abd being fair. You can be biased and fair at the same time.
2 weeks ago I went to the Orthodox Church for the first time. So even though you’re not orthodox, I’m sure your video will still be really helpful and educative
Studying the lives of the saints has become a type of medicine for me. Whenever I’m dealing with something really hard, I read their stories and realize I can get through this hardship.
I was expecting to watch this and be disappointed by misunderstandings, misconceptions, and wrong statements with a heavy bias against it. I am refreshed to see, with this whole series, a unbiased and factual representation of each denomination. These are the kinds of videos that should be produced, let us Christians go on our own journey and be able to learn things about the different churches without having to worry about somebody getting something wrong or offending denominations. Thank you
I can’t wait for this as a recent convert. RZ got me into Eastern Orthodoxy. Suprising as that sounds. God bless you RZ Edit: man yall are cool for all the likes. Thanks man and god bless you
I had to go through a few other denominations before I landed into the arms of our local parish. Me and my fiance are about to take our final catechuman class next week, arrange our baptism with Chrismation and marriage. Our parish are going to enjoy 4 new members including our kids. Plus I'm working on helping my friends see the orthodox for what it is and join us.
One small correction, the Orthodox never called the Orthodox Church a denomination, we were called either the Orthodox Church or the Church of Christ, there is no third the way.
It's not really a mistake on his part: he acknowledges early in the video that Eastern Orthodoxy considers itself the one true church, but it's not really fair to expect a Presbyterian to share that belief.
As an Orthodox Christian (not yet baptized) I think he did a good job of explaining our faith without having a bias, one thing I want to say is that we don't believe "it's okay" to venerate icons, we think its necessary
@@Tobby1923 i suggest watching truth united video on this topic if you’re interested in the protestant perspective, which i’m personally convinced is the truth, God bless brother
@@Disconsonance88 1 Thessalonians 5:26 Hebrews 12:1 1 Corinthians 11:1 Furthermore the church as a tradition believes that icons are a window to heaven
"That's why they don't believe Salvation is purely by Grace alone through Faith alone." Well, Grace is a Divine Energy. So yes, Orthodoxy affirms we're saved by Grace, through Faith working through love (agape).
Former Catholic, now orthodox! Truly, orthodoxy is the absolute fullness of the faith!!!! The perfection of its traditionalism, historicity, and theology is unchanged and unmatched!!!! 🔥🔥☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️
Honestly their beliefs kinda line up really well with mine. Didn’t realize they were so chill like that 🤝 I’ll stop confusing you guys for Catholics from now on.
The orthodox will fight tooth and nail to tell you that salvation is through works (Galatian heresy) But Unless you also partake in work’s salvation go ahead.
@@Reformed_Borzoiit’s not from works my brother. Salvation is by grace through faith. Just as St. James writes in his epistle, our works are a bi-product of our faith. How can we proclaim Christ without doing things that Christ commands? It’s not that we think those things save us. Works are the fruit of the Holy Spirit in our lives that spur us to do things that honor God and our fellow man. I’ve heard a pretty simplified version of this. We can get to heaven and have a lot of works, like trying to board a plane with a lot of luggage, but we will not be admitted unless we have the ticket, our salvation. We can enter the plane with just the ticket and without luggage. However we cannot get on with only luggage and no ticket. Otherwise what was Christ’s death for? I’ll paraphrase Psalm 50; you do not desire sacrifice (Old Testament work) or I would have given it, you do not desire in burnt offerings. A sacrifice to God is a broken spirit. A broken and humbled heart, God does not despise. Anyways. I hope that that kind of explained it. I used to think that we needed works, because I went down this weird faith journey. A priest helped me understand it so concretely, and everything regarding orthodoxy aligns so incredibly with the Bible. Which makes sense because it’s the orthodox/Catholic tradition that gave us the Bible. What is holy scripture without the context of holy tradition around it? May God bless you! If these were just rantings then so be it haha. I hope it helped a little. I pray God with light your path and help continue our walk of faith.
@@Reformed_Borzoi Orthodox Christianity emphasizes that faith and works are not mutually exclusive. Instead, they work together, salvation is achieved through a synergistic process that involves both faith and works. Faith is considered the foundation, but it must be accompanied by works, which are the fruits of faith.
@@yuppieNL Justification does not come from the law,instead it comes from faith. Galatians 2:16 16 yet we know that a person is not justifiedfn by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. Galatians 2:21 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Very excited for this as a recent convert to Holy Orthodoxy, RZ was my introduction to Eastern Orthodoxy and traditions outside of Protestantism. Keep doing Gods work 🙏
RZ will be rewarded with blessings for his work. He's bringing many of his generation to God. But don't let yourself be tempted by pride and anything else brother. May the Lord preserve and lead you.
I too am Orthodox like some of the other commenters. I really appreciate the fact based no emotion assessment of the church. Probably one of the best to the point videos that I’ve ever seen on Orthodoxy. So many people (Westerners unfortunately) don’t understand our spirituality and thought processes and revert to childish insults when trying to describe us and our ways.
As absurd as it sounds, thanks to RZ and his discord i found Orthodoxy and converted from lutheranism. Thank you, Zoomer, for covering Orthodoxy with out bias, this is a very good video
Where are all these dislikes coming from? I'm Orthodox and this seems better than your previous orthodox videos! Even the comments from Orthodox Christians are very nice and supportive.
For we Egyptians we are all Orthodox ☦️ and we specially love Greek Orthodox since the last Egyptian dinasty was Greek and we learned a lot from them 🇪🇬❤️🇬🇷 But some people just do not understand the Greek from Alexandria was different from the Greek from Constantinople so some words were missunderstood during the 4th council and at the same time our city Alexandria was downgrade behind Constantinople so most Egyptians were angry about that cause Alexandria was the 2nd most important city in the Empire since 1st century.
@@olekcholewa8171 Yes we are but before 4th council it didn't existed we were all one. Egyptians were mad cause Constantinople a new capital became more important than Alexandria and they were use to be the 2nd biggest city in the empire
@@olekcholewa8171I don’t say anathema to them. All the local Ethiopians attend my OCA church, and some Indians (not sure if Malabar or Malankara), and we don’t have any Copts here but I believe they also would attend. I have read many commentaries by Fr Tadros Malaty, a Coptic priest, and they are 100% Patristic. And I have never seen any person from any Oriental Orthodox country have to jump through the least hoop to be a communing member at my church. (Meanwhile, several hoops are required by Roman Catholic priests here to accept any Orthodox to Communion.)
@@olekcholewa8171 We know it, we have been alone many time and we have survived islamic invations Anatolia can not say the same there are almost not Christians in Anatolia today and they were Eastern Orthodox land. We do only need Christ cause he has protected us ☦️
I started watching you last summer, and at the beginning of this year I bumped into Orthodoxy (not through you). I have since decided to be Orthodox, and I saw you debating Orthodox Kyle on his channel. Thanks for not making your video with bias, even though you disagree. I still watch you often (though not as much as the Orthodox channels). Keep up the good videos.
I hope you are attending a local parish and become a catechumen. It is so good to hear you are on the path to the fullness of the faith ☦ God be with you on your journey
That last shot is the most extraordinary church interior I've ever seen. I can well understand that Orthodox believers might enter such a church and feel that they have truly entered an icon of heaven itself!'
I am a Korean protestant, more specifically a Presbyterian. I am very fascinated into an orthodoxy. I've seen videos of orthodox liturgy and how they worship God. It was exquisite and amazing that I could feel the presence of the Lord in their church. Keep it up orthodoxy, brothers. I am also looking forward to converting, so give me some tips or steps to do so. ☦️
I don't typically enjoy the takes that Zoomer has, but I found this to be a very well done depiction of our faith and practices. There might be a few places we could nitpick, but it wouldn't do any good to discuss them in a comment section, nor do I think they detract from the overall purpose of the video. May the blessings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ be with you all. ☦☦☦
Dang Zoomer. I came into this video expecting some bashing or misinformation, but I have to be honest, you really explained Eastern Orthodoxy exceedingly well in this. Thank you for respectfully representing our views and putting them in a way for others to understand more easily.
The lives of the saints are so much more than just canons to live by. They remember the martyrs throughout the Church's history, and show how even the most wicked person can be redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. If you've never read a life of a Saint, google OCA Lives of the Saints, it's well worth it.
@@patrickbarnes9874An very detailed and extensive version is on the site of the St Mary of Egypt ROCOR Church of Roswell, GA. First link in the Library section.
Thanks for doing a video on the Eastern Orthodox belives alot of people dont know what Eastern Orthodoxy is so when they see icons and the idea of good works they stop the resurch there so thanks for spreading som light on the actual belives And God bless yall ☦️☦️☦️☦️
This is actually a great video. I really see the difference between your previous works on orthodoxy and you took the criticism (which was at some times very harsh) well and I can see a the research you have done. Great job man👍
Thank you so much for this video. I have been Eastern Orthodox for all of my life and am just starting to be serious about being Christian. My church preaches in my homeland’s language, which I don’t understand very much, so thank you for being able to explain it for me to understand.
As a cradle Orthodox from an ethnic background, I understand the difficulty of going to a church where you don't understand the language, and the family/emotional/cultural reasons for staying there. With time such Orthodox churches in non-traditionally Orthodox countires gradually shift to using more of the local language. But there are often other nearby Orthoodox churches already using the local language either mostly or completely, and you might want to check them out. Worshiping in a language you understand is a game changer.
This is an awesome video RZ. Thank you for engaging with Luigi and Jay, it really sounds like you respect the position of the Orthodox Church. One thing I would like to note is that since much of the Church was affected by Catholic and Protestant missionaries aiming to proselytize at one point, their verbiage they used in defense of this was intentionally strict in their writings and confessions (ie Confession of Dositheus). However, the Church affirms a distinction between the defined doctrinal powers, and the charismatic reach of the Holy Spirit. TLDR, even with strict language in the past, we don’t put limits on the salvific abilities of the HS, but we do define the clearest path to salvation.
One thing to say is that the Orthodox do allow for changes in worship as time passes, however these changes are small and slow like the addition of the Ison to the Byzantine chant.
There were changes, the bible was translated in Old Church Slavonic and kept like that for centuries it took a lot of time for the church service to be done in Eastern European languages (except for Greek for obvious reasons).
@@ViguLiviu Old Church Slavonic was the Eastern European languages combined into a single so everyone could understand. People have got to stop with these dumbass myths that people never understood what was said in Church. Both in the Latin and the Eastern Churches, the languages was chosen so most could understand.
@@kottekanin4006 The Panslavic language was the combination of slavic languages, not Old Church Slavonic. The problem was that all that the slavs came later in there so the it wasn't that easy foe everyone to understand it especially in the Balkans where Latin or Greek were used more. Imagine knowing Spanish and listening to Portuguese or French. It was more known in the elites since the language came from them. And most people didn't have direct access to the bible until the printing press and the translations were made in their languages.
i was raised catholic and was an atheist for a while, but now currently thinking about converting to eastern orthodoxy. this was explained very well, thank you!
I’m a fourth generation United Methodist and last year I went on a church trip to Greece and Turkey to follow in the footsteps of Paul. I went to several Orthodox churches and shrines in Greece (and some former ones in Turkey) and the churches were beautiful but also as a Protestant I found the icons and overall mystical nature of the Orthodox Church a little strange. I watched people kiss icons and reliquaries, listened to a cappella hymns and learned from our guide about christenings and how they do communion with the same spoon for the full congregation. But my favorite thing I learned about the Orthodox Church in Greece was how it’s members will put little churches the size of mailboxes by the road to commemorate people who died in accidents.
It was so crazy for me to witness also in the beginning. Now after one year I found myself kissing the priest’s hand. It’s not required. I just feel so much respect, that my mind has totally changed about venerating God and the Saints.
You walked in the footsteps of St. Paul in Greece and Asia Minor, and the Christianity you found there struck you as "strange". With all due respect, you need to ask yourself whether the Christians of 1st-century Greece and Asia Minor would find the United Methodist church strange. And whether these early Christians would feel more at home today in an Orthodox parish or a Methodist congregation.
In Greece, Europe and the middle East, when we see our family, we kiss them on each cheek, the same as we treat our saints painted on the icon. Same as a soldier kisses the photo of his wife before going to battle. It’s a sign of respect. Nobody worships a photo or a piece of wood with paint on it. But if you believe that God is in all things… why not an icon?
For some, taking The Eucharist from the same spoon is an important expression of faith related to Covid, where trusting in God means trusting that a holy sacrament will not transmit plague and so there is no reason to fear using the same spoon.
This video explained everything so carefully and perfectly! As a cradle Orthodox, thank you! I will definitely send this to people who don't quite understand it
I would suggest looking up Orthodox parishes in your area and finding one that has services in English (or some other language you understand) and scheduling a one-on-one conversation with the priest. That may not end up being the parish you join, but I think it's a solid first step for inquiring into Orthodoxy once you've been convinced by what you've seen online that Orthodoxy is something you might want in your life.
Wow... here I came to witness Orthodox bashing from a Protestant, but instead got a very accurate and succinct account of what the Orthodox Church believes and practices. Amazing job, thank you!
I rejected Orthodoxy because I used to believe their beliefs are heretical and full of blind faith. After going full circle and getting my answers, I realized I might only be able to experience the presence of God through the traditions the first apostles carried out, which I'm convinced the orthodox has to offer
I watched your debates with Jay and as Orthodox rooted for him but this is an exceptionally fair video, which is particularly commendable since you have quite a stake in this matter. If other apologists were half as willing to be as charitable, we'd all be a lot closer to Christ.
Thank you very much for this video I can say that's a key feature of EO theology is what you called 'no black-white distinction'. More or less it is present in every theological field, excluding some essentials of the faith I know that I am in a bubble or smth but there is a significant amount of modernists in EO. Modernism in EO is smth like "tradition can be changed if there are some reasons, but if not, we don't do it bc our traditions are cool" and "our Church is cool but others also are nice and they can achieve salvation" and so on (I wish I could write more but I don't have time right now). I understand that your purpose was to show EO in general but I want you to know about different sides of our denomination Also I recommend you to watch Coffee with Sr. Vassa if you haven't do it And I'm sorry if my English is not good, I'm not a native speaker God bless you brother✝☦
You get a pass because you are not a native English speaker, but most Orthodox would not call Orthodoxy a "denomination' since that implies Orthodoxy is just one of many equal "churches." But there is a distinction in Orthodoxy between "Tradition" with a capital T, and tradtions, which are the human and cultural expressions of the Tradition. The Tradition is the faith once and for all time taught by Christ, transmitted faithfully by His apostles, and preserved faithfully in Christ's (Orthodox) Church. That is unchangeable and unchanging. The traditions we have in expressing that faith in our lives are to an extent influenced by culture, language, and where and when we live. There are local variances in these lesser traditions over time and space, but they all point to the same unvarying Tradition. The Orthodox have a tolerance for diversity in these traditions that express the Faith, but are firm in defending the Tradition, the Faith itself, from any change, corruption or dilution. Peace, bro!
So many dislikes on every video, is there a concerted effort by atheists to downvote your videos? or pettiness between denominations? even the simplest, most positive vids get so many downvotes even as the comments are full of thank yous and compliments. Your content is so helpful and well made, I hope whoever or whatever is causing the large discrepancy is dislikes does discourage you at all. God bless
One thing I missed already in the Catholic video was the importance of monasticism, which in most cases is completely lost in the protestant churches (but is clearly biblical!)
Roman Catholic religious vocations have dropped nearly 90% since Vatican II… it would be a joke to say that monasticism (currently) has any place of importance to the Catholic Church.
I think the main thing that separates us is mentality. You westerners indulge in debates about the nature of God even though you are laymen. While we Orthodox do not even presume to know more than a priest and hence rarely indulge in debates because by our logic if you have not dedicated yourself to the Theological college (The hardest college by far for example in Serbia, not one priest is stupid for to become one is quite the challenge) then its like someone asks you for example a dry wall-er how a Nuclear power plant works. Its outside your knowledge so shut up and listen to people who do know.
So i've been studying this as a side hobby for some time now and this video summarizes all the key differences so succinctly that I've even filled in several gaps watching it. Great content. Thank you and God bless you.
No matter what Christian denomination or tradition you come from let us all pray that we be united under King Jesus Christ and continue to build the Kingdom of God and fight evil with good.
Your view is very Protestant. The vast majority of Orthodox and Catholics consider you a non-Christian, a heretic, and someone who is going to hell because you do not follow their traditions. Apostolic Succession is everything to them, even though the Bible makes a clear distinction between the 12 Apostles, who are going to be memorialised in the New Jerusalem according to Revelation 21:14; and any who might come after. Catholics take Mathias replacing Judas to mean that they should replace all the Apostles, whereas that singular event was prophesied in the Old Testament on account of Judas' betrayal, and is almost certainly a one-time thing, and they then take the lines about the Church being built on Christ and the Apostles to mean that, the Successors of the Apostles constitute the true Church, and are the only ones who have authority in the Church. I assume the logic is the same in Eastern Orthodoxy. This means that they can take the made-up traditions of people they consider to be the Successors of the Apostles, like the Pope in Catholicism or various Saints in Orthodoxy, and follow their ideas even if they go against what is written in the Scriptures, e.g. Mary worship, praying to the Saints/dead. Protestants would agree that the Church was built upon Christ and the Apostles, because Christianity was literally started by them, the Bible was written by them, the Apostles then went around converting people after Christ's death and resurrection; but Protestants leave it there, and give no special authority to any 'successors' after those first Apostles, instead trusting in the instruction they gave us that was codified in the Bible, and acknowledging that, as is written in the Holy Scriptures, that the Holy Spirit is sent as our advocate and as our teacher, and that all men might receive the Holy Spirit, not just the few Apostles, as was made clear at Pentecost. We look to the Holy Spirit to guide the Church, that is the big C Church which includes all Christians, whereas Catholics and Orthodox look to men. Hopefully in many cases those men will be true believers who are filled with the Holy Spirit, and they may lead their small c churches wisely even if their position of leadership comes about by error; but it is clear from history that in many cases that has not happened.
Orthodoxy isn’t a denomination. It’s not part of the two-sided coin of Roman Catholicism & Protestantism. It’s not one of the 45,000 sects that Protestantism gave birth to.
He basically said that same things but without criticizing tbh. Everything that he said here was said in his video "Disagreements with Eastern Orthodoxy". hat Orthodox Christians said he had no idea what he was talking about, because in their minds, it is impossible for you to understand what they believe and still disagree.
@@pedroguimaraes6094 Im coming more from his Instagram which might be more satirical anyway. In any case there have been times where he's compared us to baptists, and even now he compares the experience of Christ to the mormons' "burning of the bosom" which is pretty bad considering the fact we must be extremely aware and discerning of our thoughts and feelings because the heart is full of deciet and prelest is a very dangerous passion which is ignited by this "burning of the bosom", and cannot be compared to the experiential journey of Orthodoxy. On top of this I have some vague memories of other interpretations of our practices being incomplete or having some ridiculous criticism or commentary to go with it. Honestly the lack of criticism does make for a much more respectful and unbiased video because the criticism tends to be rooted in misunderstanding due to a different spiritual foundation that comes with the calvinist lens. Any spiritual lens comes with its own "baggage" so if you're going to try and inform people of another faith, then its best to leave your baggage at the door and not use it as a lens to which you criticize what you're trying to educate on. I myself am exceedingly guilty of doing that, so I appreciate he was able to avoid it for the most part in this vid
Althought I don't agree with much of protestant theological wievs, I do respect you RZ because you are quiet objective on the matter of Orthodox Christianity. At least you don't call us idolatres, pagans etc. Thank you for this video, may God bless you.
Um, actually, he does essentially call us heretics in other videos. For some reason, he is exceptionally fair minded in this video. But I've seen another video where he says that everything Eastern Christians believe is wrong.
Respect to RZ for this unbiased representation of Orthodoxy. You were one of the people that led me to the Orthodox faith because of your historical analysis videos.
The orthodox church does not say there is no salvation outside the church. This would limit God. God saves who he wants. The orthodox WOULD say that the Orthodox church is the best way we know how.
My father is an orthodox priest, well I'm not in the religion, but I loved the video. The point is very true about the relations with other churches, he's always like "oriental orthodox are wonderful, catholic are ok, they are like brothers to us, but protestants tho....." actually personally protestantism is the most interesting to me, always have been
8 videos and 4 debates later, Glory be to the father and to the Son and to the holy Spirit for leading this young man to an Unbiased video. Truly appreciated ☦
Good Job redeemed Zoomer, thanks for just displaying the beliefs rather than your interpretation of it or what have you. Really well done video, God Bless you Note: pretty much every Orthodox person I know doesn’t say other members of churches will not be saved. Everyone I know refers to this quote of one of our Saints “You ask, will the heterodox be saved…Why do you worry about them? They have a Savior Who desires the salvation of every human being. He will take care of them. You and I should not be burdened with such a concern. Study yourself and your own sins…" * St. Theophan the Recluse
The more fundamentalist you are the more you believe that the salvation comes only for orthodox. The deeds separate you from salvation, but also following the tradition.
the way ive always thought of it is like this: your in a desert, looking for an oasis. the orthodox church gives you a detailed map of how to get there. now, in theory, you dont need to use this map, you could just walk in a general direction and hope to find it. or perhaps you could follow your gut. but you are much less likely to get there then with the orthodox.
The thing I love about this series is that I feel like you're doing what you can to convince me that the denomination in question is right, even when I know that you don't personally believe what they espouse.
There's no Salvation outside the Orthodox Church because the Church (Body of Christ, union of God and Man) is Salvation. Orthodoxy is the revealed way by Christ. But God may save whoever He wants, and whoever gets saved, is ultimately united to the Church in Heaven.
If this video gets 10,000 likes, I'll do a video Oriental Orthodoxy! (also as usual the "return dislike extension" is not accurate so if it looks like my videos have a lot of dislikes, they really don't)
Ah yes, the true Orthodox
(only joking, I love my -fake- Orthodox brothers
❤🔥)
I am excited for that. I know next to nothing about the oriental orthodox.
Can you also do a Lutheran vid please?
@@JoWilliams-ud4eu Our theology is pretty similar to EO, except that we have the view that Jesus had one, singular nature that was both divine AND man, and that therefore He united God and man together, allowing us to join Him and partake in the divine essence, and therefore be saved.
@@MSKofAlexandria cool. Even though I disagree, I do like the idea of us being saved by union with Christ by nature and the incarnation.
This is the most unbiased protestant video on Eastern Orthodoxy I have ever seen
Are there biased Protestant videos on Orthodoxy? I thought that your guys suffered from Catholics false claims
@@RoyalLudrothHunterRZ had „beef“ (not that serious) with the Orthodox for months for falsely presenting the EO faith because of his biases hahahah this is the first (almost) unbiased video I have seen from him
@@RoyalLudrothHunter yeah, there are, even Redeemed Zoomer made some. I'm not orthodox (seriously thinking about becoming orthodox though) but it was something to point out.
@@ZeptoBit_ I was an enquirer that is now part of the Church and it's the best thing I have ever done in my life. If you can speak to a priest and attend Catechism I highly recommend it.
@@Skaffuh thanks for your suggestion, I definetely am going to do that.
I'm Orthodox and I truly appreciate you for making this video. It covers Orthodoxy very well without bias. God bless you
Yeah except he calls us a denomination. We are not a denomination. We are the faith. They are all pretending and misleading people. Especially this guy here.
God does not bless those who preach false orthodoxy.
There is no Salvation outside the Catholic Church.
@@Theofilus144 that’s a load of crap and nobody inside orthodoxy would ever say such nonsense. If you are talking about Rome then mind your business and go pray with the Jews and Muslims.
@@katiek.8808 bergoglio is not The pope. The True Catholic Church cannot Pray with heretics and infidels.
I think eastern orthodoxy makes the most sense to me. I love that they predicted secularism due to the wears over rationality and not believing fully in the unknown and accepting it. I also like how we can't comprehend God we can just experience the energies.
visit your local Orthodox parish bro 👍❤
Pretty much. They understand the age old fact that not all knowledge is useful and man can’t think himself out of the hedge maze.
God is infinite and our minds are finite. Of course we can't understand God we just must follow his teachings ☦️🙏🏻
It actually doesn’t. Throughout scripture God has mad his presence know for us to understand him. If you rely on He the Holy Spirit you will start to gain an understanding of God. I personally feel your explanation is a cop out not to have a personal relationship with God. Hence why i will stick to baptist. Ain’t nothing like having a loving relationship with my creator.
@@ReadDaGospel*She the holy spirit
Cradle protestant turned Greek Orthodox here. Attend a divine liturgy and see what we're all about. It is life changing.
100%!
Cradle non-religious turned Antiochian Orthodox here. Attend a divine liturgy and see what we're all about. It is life changing.
It doesn't matter what your background is or which Orthodox jurisdiction you attend. Holy tradition is the eternal home of us all.
Catholics have it too
@cardboardcapeii4286 not really. You have Novus Ordo, and you have eastern catholics which are synchretists. They have inconsistent theology.
@@order_truth_involvement6135 the eastern Catholics have the same liturgy
You might want to read the entire bible sometime to see what your church is getting right and wrong. Going to church does not save you. You must be born again and really try and get baptised. I know they were fancy robes and they have elaborate ceremonies but christianity is about a personal relationship.
I was raised Protestant and converted to Orthodoxy 3 years ago. I’m the only Orthodox in my family and social circle-everyone else is Protestant and many of them have beautiful, awe-inspiring faith. My priest put it well: “We know where God is [referring to the Orthodox Church], but we cannot say where He is not.” While I believe orthodoxy is the truth, I always hesitate to say that all others outside it won’t be saved. We don’t know how God will work in the hearts and lives of others. I’m grateful for my Protestant upbringing and I’m also grateful God brought me to Orthodoxy. Thank you for a wonderful video 🤍
Well he lied to you because historical orthodox position is in the ecclesium nulla silus... there is no salvation outside of thr church (orthodox church).
The Council of Nicaea II is very clear that unless you subscribe to icon veneration, you are anathema. Anathema is understood at the time as being separation from God and being cast into the outer darkness.
Exclusivity is in the EO DNA.
@@bobbobberson5627 You dont see how condemning trinitarian, Bible faithful, Creed reciting and Jesus loving Christians to Hell over secondary stuff like icons is controversial?
@@bobbobberson5627 "Now anathema is nothing less than complete separation from God." - Patriarch Tarasius who was at Nicaea II in 787 writing to Empress Irene.
Why must you lie like Nicaea II lied about Jesus' supposed letter to King Abgar?
@@bobbobberson5627 Patriarch Tarasius clearly thinks anathema means damnation. So stop lying about your church. Like the forgery riddled Nicaea ii lied about the Early Church.
As an orthodox, I really like how this guy Actually understand orthodoxy and doesn't strawman it
It's for educational pourposes. The Gold it's not to analyse it but, it's to understand it. As christians, even if you are 100% assured of your Church, it's not negative to understand other sectors/denomanations. Like me, i am Protestant but i can interact with you guys and speak about things that you guys affirm.
Watch him debate an orthodox and you’ll see how bad it gets
@@Avzigoyhbasilsikosis that the fault of him or the orthie? Cus let's be real you could say the same thing when it's a Roman Catholic guy
@@michaeltagor4238he did another video on Orthodoxy and in that video he was VERY biased
@greekguy74 Ofcause he is biassed. He is Reformed. You are biased to for your denomination. Does that strike you as an odd thing? There's a difference between being biased abd being fair. You can be biased and fair at the same time.
2 weeks ago I went to the Orthodox Church for the first time. So even though you’re not orthodox, I’m sure your video will still be really helpful and educative
Go again after this video see if ur view is the same
@@W0KeIzEvil This video reassures me as to why I am Orthodox. He has improved a lot on his understanding of Eastern denominations.
Watch jay dyers debate with RZ. RZ hardly understands orthodoxy
As an orthodox Christian you have done justice , well done
Big respects to all my brothers, both catholic and protestant. ICXC Nika! I pray for you from Romania 🇷🇴
He,credeam ca sunt singurul nebun care se uita la videouri de genu
@@ihs775 Nihil sine Deo amice. Ma bucur ca nici eu nu-s singurul. =]]
Va pup frății mei! Domnul sa va binecuvânteze !
Dumnezeu sa va calauzeasca pe calea cea dreapta si sa va ocroteasca de tot ce-i rau.
@@XplorerOfLife Doamne ajuta si pe tine asemenea frate 🙏
Studying the lives of the saints has become a type of medicine for me. Whenever I’m dealing with something really hard, I read their stories and realize I can get through this hardship.
I was expecting to watch this and be disappointed by misunderstandings, misconceptions, and wrong statements with a heavy bias against it. I am refreshed to see, with this whole series, a unbiased and factual representation of each denomination. These are the kinds of videos that should be produced, let us Christians go on our own journey and be able to learn things about the different churches without having to worry about somebody getting something wrong or offending denominations. Thank you
I can’t wait for this as a recent convert. RZ got me into Eastern Orthodoxy. Suprising as that sounds. God bless you RZ
Edit: man yall are cool for all the likes. Thanks man and god bless you
ME TOOO
I had to go through a few other denominations before I landed into the arms of our local parish. Me and my fiance are about to take our final catechuman class next week, arrange our baptism with Chrismation and marriage. Our parish are going to enjoy 4 new members including our kids. Plus I'm working on helping my friends see the orthodox for what it is and join us.
DON'T LISTEN TO HIM. THE CHURCH IS ONE. CATHOLIC.
I had never heard of orthodoxy until RZ. But I'm still protestant.
@@JoWilliams-ud4eu Don't be that. luther was an antichrist who denied self control and caused people letting themselves go to sinning.
As An Orthodox Christian, Thank You For Making A Video About Our Church (btw my favorite branch of Protestanism is Presbyterianism)
Awesome, thank you
Que Dios te bendiga ☦️🙏♥️
Orthodoxy is not a denomination, you should know that as an Orthodox Christian
@@michaelbeach7988 Yeah, but you gotta be careful what terminology you use around Protestants.
@@michaelbeach7988 Orthodox is pre-denominational
Thank you so much for covering orthodoxy without bias, really interesting to watch, even as an Orthodox Christian
Well with little bias
But I don’t say that in a negative way. As people in general aren’t free of bias.
Respect to Orthodox, from a Protestant
What denomination are you?
I'm nondenominational but I'm thinking of changing to a more reformed denomination later in life
@@kadenhays2331 oh can you become anglican we are reformed you can look into us
@@kadenhays2331come to Lutheranism!
From an ELCA member.
Same.
One small correction, the Orthodox never called the Orthodox Church a denomination, we were called either the Orthodox Church or the Church of Christ, there is no third the way.
It's not really a mistake on his part: he acknowledges early in the video that Eastern Orthodoxy considers itself the one true church, but it's not really fair to expect a Presbyterian to share that belief.
Though by definition it would be a denomination, just according to them they would be the true and original denomination
@@vqsxd Everything that is considered a denomination does not belong to the Orthodox Church
@@mladenzrnic2669 Semantics. By definition they are a denomination, just like by definition they are a church
@@vqsxdI know it's an Orthodox church, but we don't even consider Orthodoxy a denomination.
Orthodoxy sounds so much more beautiful to me.
I’m a former Protestant now a baptized Eastern Orthodox Christian, I appreciate this video RZ! Didn’t let us down at all! God bless ❤
Giant W
What I respect about the Orthodox Church is that they've never given into the modern changes, at least the bad aspects.
As an Orthodox Christian (not yet baptized) I think he did a good job of explaining our faith without having a bias, one thing I want to say is that we don't believe "it's okay" to venerate icons, we think its necessary
that’s my main gripe with orthodoxy, nice pfp btw…😂
@@Bruh.151 thanks, but also veneration of icons is Biblical and has been done since the early early days of the church
@@Tobby1923 i suggest watching truth united video on this topic if you’re interested in the protestant perspective, which i’m personally convinced is the truth, God bless brother
@@Tobby1923 Could you please provide some verses that support the veneration of icons?
@@Disconsonance88
1 Thessalonians 5:26
Hebrews 12:1
1 Corinthians 11:1
Furthermore the church as a tradition believes that icons are a window to heaven
I’m Orthodox and this is an excellent and succinct overview. Very well done!
"That's why they don't believe Salvation is purely by Grace alone through Faith alone."
Well, Grace is a Divine Energy. So yes, Orthodoxy affirms we're saved by Grace, through Faith working through love (agape).
Former Catholic, now orthodox! Truly, orthodoxy is the absolute fullness of the faith!!!! The perfection of its traditionalism, historicity, and theology is unchanged and unmatched!!!! 🔥🔥☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️
Funny username kek
@@CA-by2brLMAO
@@CA-by2br hahaha 🤣, thanks 👍
True.
Your avatar needs a bigger beard.
Хорошего вам дня и бодрого настроя! 🙏
Вы православный? Так уж сложилось, что здесь в комментариях больше нет русскоговорящих
This might be the best concise to the point explanation of Orthodoxy I've ever seen bravo!
Honestly their beliefs kinda line up really well with mine.
Didn’t realize they were so chill like that 🤝
I’ll stop confusing you guys for Catholics from now on.
The orthodox will fight tooth and nail to tell you that salvation is through works (Galatian heresy)
But Unless you also partake in work’s salvation go ahead.
@@Reformed_Borzoiit’s not from works my brother. Salvation is by grace through faith. Just as St. James writes in his epistle, our works are a bi-product of our faith. How can we proclaim Christ without doing things that Christ commands? It’s not that we think those things save us. Works are the fruit of the Holy Spirit in our lives that spur us to do things that honor God and our fellow man.
I’ve heard a pretty simplified version of this. We can get to heaven and have a lot of works, like trying to board a plane with a lot of luggage, but we will not be admitted unless we have the ticket, our salvation. We can enter the plane with just the ticket and without luggage. However we cannot get on with only luggage and no ticket.
Otherwise what was Christ’s death for? I’ll paraphrase Psalm 50; you do not desire sacrifice (Old Testament work) or I would have given it, you do not desire in burnt offerings. A sacrifice to God is a broken spirit. A broken and humbled heart, God does not despise.
Anyways. I hope that that kind of explained it. I used to think that we needed works, because I went down this weird faith journey. A priest helped me understand it so concretely, and everything regarding orthodoxy aligns so incredibly with the Bible. Which makes sense because it’s the orthodox/Catholic tradition that gave us the Bible.
What is holy scripture without the context of holy tradition around it?
May God bless you! If these were just rantings then so be it haha. I hope it helped a little. I pray God with light your path and help continue our walk of faith.
@@Reformed_Borzoi We don't believe in that.
@@Reformed_Borzoi Orthodox Christianity emphasizes that faith and works are not mutually exclusive. Instead, they work together, salvation is achieved through a synergistic process that involves both faith and works. Faith is considered the foundation, but it must be accompanied by works, which are the fruits of faith.
@@yuppieNL
Justification does not come from the law,instead it comes from faith.
Galatians 2:16
16 yet we know that a person is not justifiedfn by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:21
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Definitely much better than your previous videos about Orthodoxy.And your videos in general are getting more and more decent.
Very excited for this as a recent convert to Holy Orthodoxy, RZ was my introduction to Eastern Orthodoxy and traditions outside of Protestantism. Keep doing Gods work 🙏
My first experience at an Orthodox church was beyond description ❤☦
As an Eastern Orthodox convert you have covered Orthodoxy so great thanks for explaining the faith better may God bless
God bless you orthodox brother ☦🇷🇸.
@@jedanMALIkinez Amin
RZ will be rewarded with blessings for his work. He's bringing many of his generation to God. But don't let yourself be tempted by pride and anything else brother. May the Lord preserve and lead you.
I too am Orthodox like some of the other commenters. I really appreciate the fact based no emotion assessment of the church. Probably one of the best to the point videos that I’ve ever seen on Orthodoxy. So many people (Westerners unfortunately) don’t understand our spirituality and thought processes and revert to childish insults when trying to describe us and our ways.
I am Orthodox
Grace = energies
Synergy = faithfulness = faith
As absurd as it sounds, thanks to RZ and his discord i found Orthodoxy and converted from lutheranism. Thank you, Zoomer, for covering Orthodoxy with out bias, this is a very good video
orthodox kyle, jay dyer, david erhan and Ephraim all helped me
@@Tobby1923shamounian helped me
This whole video is why I converted to orthodoxy a few weeks ago.
Where are all these dislikes coming from? I'm Orthodox and this seems better than your previous orthodox videos! Even the comments from Orthodox Christians are very nice and supportive.
For we Egyptians we are all Orthodox ☦️ and we specially love Greek Orthodox since the last Egyptian dinasty was Greek and we learned a lot from them 🇪🇬❤️🇬🇷
But some people just do not understand the Greek from Alexandria was different from the Greek from Constantinople so some words were missunderstood during the 4th council and at the same time our city Alexandria was downgrade behind Constantinople so most Egyptians were angry about that cause Alexandria was the 2nd most important city in the Empire since 1st century.
I think most Egyptian Christians are Oriental Orthodox.
@@olekcholewa8171
Yes we are but before 4th council it didn't existed we were all one. Egyptians were mad cause Constantinople a new capital became more important than Alexandria and they were use to be the 2nd biggest city in the empire
@@EgyptianOrthodox Doesn't matter. You're still not Eastern Orthodox. EO people will throw anathemas at you for not affirming Chalcedon.
@@olekcholewa8171I don’t say anathema to them. All the local Ethiopians attend my OCA church, and some Indians (not sure if Malabar or Malankara), and we don’t have any Copts here but I believe they also would attend. I have read many commentaries by Fr Tadros Malaty, a Coptic priest, and they are 100% Patristic. And I have never seen any person from any Oriental Orthodox country have to jump through the least hoop to be a communing member at my church. (Meanwhile, several hoops are required by Roman Catholic priests here to accept any Orthodox to Communion.)
@@olekcholewa8171
We know it, we have been alone many time and we have survived islamic invations Anatolia can not say the same there are almost not Christians in Anatolia today and they were Eastern Orthodox land.
We do only need Christ cause he has protected us ☦️
I started watching you last summer, and at the beginning of this year I bumped into Orthodoxy (not through you). I have since decided to be Orthodox, and I saw you debating Orthodox Kyle on his channel. Thanks for not making your video with bias, even though you disagree. I still watch you often (though not as much as the Orthodox channels). Keep up the good videos.
I hope you are attending a local parish and become a catechumen. It is so good to hear you are on the path to the fullness of the faith ☦ God be with you on your journey
Orthodox Christian here! Thank you for making an accurate unbiased video! Very informative too!
As a Greek Orthodox I can say bro made a great job explaining the eastern Orthodoxy and how we view our faith
That last shot is the most extraordinary church interior I've ever seen. I can well understand that Orthodox believers might enter such a church and feel that they have truly entered an icon of heaven itself!'
Thank you for being so respectful.
I am a Korean protestant, more specifically a Presbyterian. I am very fascinated into an orthodoxy. I've seen videos of orthodox liturgy and how they worship God. It was exquisite and amazing that I could feel the presence of the Lord in their church. Keep it up orthodoxy, brothers. I am also looking forward to converting, so give me some tips or steps to do so. ☦️
This is a really good explanation of Orthodoxy - great job learning and teaching, Zoomer!
These videos are so good and helpful. Praise the Lord for bring me to you !
I don't typically enjoy the takes that Zoomer has, but I found this to be a very well done depiction of our faith and practices. There might be a few places we could nitpick, but it wouldn't do any good to discuss them in a comment section, nor do I think they detract from the overall purpose of the video.
May the blessings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ be with you all.
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Glory to Christ and his Holy Orthodox Church ☦️
Recent convert to Eastern Orthodoxy. This video is a good summation of our faith. God bless you and I hope you become Orthodox as well brother ❤️☦️
my man made the video just below the 10 minute mark for less monitization. real work of art.
Huh, first time I’ve seen RZ do an actual good video on Orthodoxy in which there were no mischaracterizations. Good job
Dang Zoomer. I came into this video expecting some bashing or misinformation, but I have to be honest, you really explained Eastern Orthodoxy exceedingly well in this. Thank you for respectfully representing our views and putting them in a way for others to understand more easily.
The lives of the saints are so much more than just canons to live by. They remember the martyrs throughout the Church's history, and show how even the most wicked person can be redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. If you've never read a life of a Saint, google OCA Lives of the Saints, it's well worth it.
I recommend St Mary of Egypt as an especially inspiring life story for the times we are living in today.
@patrickbarnes9874 the martyr Thomais and st.john the long suffering too.
Can you maybe recommend some books? I've wanted to buy one about st paisios the athonite, but it costs 60 euros.
@@patrickbarnes9874An very detailed and extensive version is on the site of the St Mary of Egypt ROCOR Church of Roswell, GA. First link in the Library section.
I love how unbiased your analysis videos are even though I know how much you disagree with rhe groups you talk about. Very refreshing!
Recently converted to Orthodoxy. Please cover this well.🙏
Why did you convert to Eastern Orthodox?
@@Thebasedheriticcuz it’s more demanding of you, full of tradition, and personally, I agree with all its theology. That’s why I’m Orthodox
@@henryconner780 cool
@@henryconner780 ...
As someone who just yesterday decided to become an Orthodox, I’m surprised a lot of people are also seeing the truth of it.
Hey redeemed zoomer love your videos keep up the good work GOD bless
Went to Rome and greece, the Catholic and Orthodox Church buildings are both spectacular in their own ways
I appreciate the effort you put into this. It's really inspiring.
Thanks for doing a video on the Eastern Orthodox belives alot of people dont know what Eastern Orthodoxy is so when they see icons and the idea of good works they stop the resurch there so thanks for spreading som light on the actual belives
And God bless yall ☦️☦️☦️☦️
This is actually a great video. I really see the difference between your previous works on orthodoxy and you took the criticism (which was at some times very harsh) well and I can see a the research you have done. Great job man👍
Thank you for not trying to say we are affected by Liberalism like you did before.
A very unbiased explanation of Orthodoxy. Well done. Thank you. ☦️
Thank you so much for this video. I have been Eastern Orthodox for all of my life and am just starting to be serious about being Christian. My church preaches in my homeland’s language, which I don’t understand very much, so thank you for being able to explain it for me to understand.
As a cradle Orthodox from an ethnic background, I understand the difficulty of going to a church where you don't understand the language, and the family/emotional/cultural reasons for staying there. With time such Orthodox churches in non-traditionally Orthodox countires gradually shift to using more of the local language. But there are often other nearby Orthoodox churches already using the local language either mostly or completely, and you might want to check them out. Worshiping in a language you understand is a game changer.
This is an awesome video RZ. Thank you for engaging with Luigi and Jay, it really sounds like you respect the position of the Orthodox Church.
One thing I would like to note is that since much of the Church was affected by Catholic and Protestant missionaries aiming to proselytize at one point, their verbiage they used in defense of this was intentionally strict in their writings and confessions (ie Confession of Dositheus). However, the Church affirms a distinction between the defined doctrinal powers, and the charismatic reach of the Holy Spirit.
TLDR, even with strict language in the past, we don’t put limits on the salvific abilities of the HS, but we do define the clearest path to salvation.
One thing to say is that the Orthodox do allow for changes in worship as time passes, however these changes are small and slow like the addition of the Ison to the Byzantine chant.
There were changes, the bible was translated in Old Church Slavonic and kept like that for centuries it took a lot of time for the church service to be done in Eastern European languages (except for Greek for obvious reasons).
Or the Iconostasis in the Byzantine Rite.
It’s not change in worship its development in presentation. You can drink water out of a jug or water out of a basin and it’s still h2o
@@ViguLiviu Old Church Slavonic was the Eastern European languages combined into a single so everyone could understand. People have got to stop with these dumbass myths that people never understood what was said in Church. Both in the Latin and the Eastern Churches, the languages was chosen so most could understand.
@@kottekanin4006 The Panslavic language was the combination of slavic languages, not Old Church Slavonic. The problem was that all that the slavs came later in there so the it wasn't that easy foe everyone to understand it especially in the Balkans where Latin or Greek were used more. Imagine knowing Spanish and listening to Portuguese or French. It was more known in the elites since the language came from them. And most people didn't have direct access to the bible until the printing press and the translations were made in their languages.
I loved how you explain orthodoxy without trying to dispute it or being offensive. ☦️✝️❤️ 😊👍
This was a brilliant summary of the Eastern Orthodox teachings and belief system. Regards from Germany 🇩🇪 and best wishes! 💒💐😊
Finde ich auch! War heute mein drittes Mal!
i was raised catholic and was an atheist for a while, but now currently thinking about converting to eastern orthodoxy. this was explained very well, thank you!
Im glad to hear that truly, God bless you❤️🙏☦️
Don't, go and do ur research of the catholic church from catholics
I’m a fourth generation United Methodist and last year I went on a church trip to Greece and Turkey to follow in the footsteps of Paul. I went to several Orthodox churches and shrines in Greece (and some former ones in Turkey) and the churches were beautiful but also as a Protestant I found the icons and overall mystical nature of the Orthodox Church a little strange. I watched people kiss icons and reliquaries, listened to a cappella hymns and learned from our guide about christenings and how they do communion with the same spoon for the full congregation. But my favorite thing I learned about the Orthodox Church in Greece was how it’s members will put little churches the size of mailboxes by the road to commemorate people who died in accidents.
It was so crazy for me to witness also in the beginning. Now after one year I found myself kissing the priest’s hand. It’s not required. I just feel so much respect, that my mind has totally changed about venerating God and the Saints.
You walked in the footsteps of St. Paul in Greece and Asia Minor, and the Christianity you found there struck you as "strange". With all due respect, you need to ask yourself whether the Christians of 1st-century Greece and Asia Minor would find the United Methodist church strange. And whether these early Christians would feel more at home today in an Orthodox parish or a Methodist congregation.
In Greece, Europe and the middle East, when we see our family, we kiss them on each cheek, the same as we treat our saints painted on the icon. Same as a soldier kisses the photo of his wife before going to battle. It’s a sign of respect. Nobody worships a photo or a piece of wood with paint on it. But if you believe that God is in all things… why not an icon?
For some, taking The Eucharist from the same spoon is an important expression of faith related to Covid, where trusting in God means trusting that a holy sacrament will not transmit plague and so there is no reason to fear using the same spoon.
What video was very well done, Chris is King
This video explained everything so carefully and perfectly! As a cradle Orthodox, thank you! I will definitely send this to people who don't quite understand it
Great video. Im searching for a church to join but don't know where to go. Eastern Orthodox sounds better than most.
I would suggest looking up Orthodox parishes in your area and finding one that has services in English (or some other language you understand) and scheduling a one-on-one conversation with the priest. That may not end up being the parish you join, but I think it's a solid first step for inquiring into Orthodoxy once you've been convinced by what you've seen online that Orthodoxy is something you might want in your life.
Wow... here I came to witness Orthodox bashing from a Protestant, but instead got a very accurate and succinct account of what the Orthodox Church believes and practices. Amazing job, thank you!
I rejected Orthodoxy because I used to believe their beliefs are heretical and full of blind faith. After going full circle and getting my answers, I realized I might only be able to experience the presence of God through the traditions the first apostles carried out, which I'm convinced the orthodox has to offer
I'm Eastern Orthodox, this video is actually a very charitable and portrays the faith accurately.
This is the 3rd video and going on a streak and going great, like the other two videos! Keep going, we want to know what Oriental Orthodoxy is!
I watched your debates with Jay and as Orthodox rooted for him but this is an exceptionally fair video, which is particularly commendable since you have quite a stake in this matter. If other apologists were half as willing to be as charitable, we'd all be a lot closer to Christ.
Thank you very much for this video
I can say that's a key feature of EO theology is what you called 'no black-white distinction'. More or less it is present in every theological field, excluding some essentials of the faith
I know that I am in a bubble or smth but there is a significant amount of modernists in EO. Modernism in EO is smth like "tradition can be changed if there are some reasons, but if not, we don't do it bc our traditions are cool" and "our Church is cool but others also are nice and they can achieve salvation" and so on (I wish I could write more but I don't have time right now). I understand that your purpose was to show EO in general but I want you to know about different sides of our denomination
Also I recommend you to watch Coffee with Sr. Vassa if you haven't do it
And I'm sorry if my English is not good, I'm not a native speaker
God bless you brother✝☦
You get a pass because you are not a native English speaker, but most Orthodox would not call Orthodoxy a "denomination' since that implies Orthodoxy is just one of many equal "churches." But there is a distinction in Orthodoxy between "Tradition" with a capital T, and tradtions, which are the human and cultural expressions of the Tradition. The Tradition is the faith once and for all time taught by Christ, transmitted faithfully by His apostles, and preserved faithfully in Christ's (Orthodox) Church. That is unchangeable and unchanging. The traditions we have in expressing that faith in our lives are to an extent influenced by culture, language, and where and when we live. There are local variances in these lesser traditions over time and space, but they all point to the same unvarying Tradition. The Orthodox have a tolerance for diversity in these traditions that express the Faith, but are firm in defending the Tradition, the Faith itself, from any change, corruption or dilution. Peace, bro!
So many dislikes on every video, is there a concerted effort by atheists to downvote your videos? or pettiness between denominations? even the simplest, most positive vids get so many downvotes even as the comments are full of thank yous and compliments. Your content is so helpful and well made, I hope whoever or whatever is causing the large discrepancy is dislikes does discourage you at all. God bless
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One thing I missed already in the Catholic video was the importance of monasticism, which in most cases is completely lost in the protestant churches (but is clearly biblical!)
Roman Catholic religious vocations have dropped nearly 90% since Vatican II… it would be a joke to say that monasticism (currently) has any place of importance to the Catholic Church.
There is but its based on ones choice to do it. It written nowhere in the bible except through tradition.
I've been interested in othodoxy for some time. This video was very well done and easy to follow. Thanks
I think the main thing that separates us is mentality.
You westerners indulge in debates about the nature of God even though you are laymen.
While we Orthodox do not even presume to know more than a priest and hence rarely indulge in debates because by our logic if you have not dedicated yourself to the Theological college (The hardest college by far for example in Serbia, not one priest is stupid for to become one is quite the challenge) then its like someone asks you for example a dry wall-er how a Nuclear power plant works.
Its outside your knowledge so shut up and listen to people who do know.
So i've been studying this as a side hobby for some time now and this video summarizes all the key differences so succinctly that I've even filled in several gaps watching it. Great content. Thank you and God bless you.
No matter what Christian denomination or tradition you come from let us all pray that we be united under King Jesus Christ and continue to build the Kingdom of God and fight evil with good.
Your view is very Protestant. The vast majority of Orthodox and Catholics consider you a non-Christian, a heretic, and someone who is going to hell because you do not follow their traditions. Apostolic Succession is everything to them, even though the Bible makes a clear distinction between the 12 Apostles, who are going to be memorialised in the New Jerusalem according to Revelation 21:14; and any who might come after. Catholics take Mathias replacing Judas to mean that they should replace all the Apostles, whereas that singular event was prophesied in the Old Testament on account of Judas' betrayal, and is almost certainly a one-time thing, and they then take the lines about the Church being built on Christ and the Apostles to mean that, the Successors of the Apostles constitute the true Church, and are the only ones who have authority in the Church. I assume the logic is the same in Eastern Orthodoxy. This means that they can take the made-up traditions of people they consider to be the Successors of the Apostles, like the Pope in Catholicism or various Saints in Orthodoxy, and follow their ideas even if they go against what is written in the Scriptures, e.g. Mary worship, praying to the Saints/dead. Protestants would agree that the Church was built upon Christ and the Apostles, because Christianity was literally started by them, the Bible was written by them, the Apostles then went around converting people after Christ's death and resurrection; but Protestants leave it there, and give no special authority to any 'successors' after those first Apostles, instead trusting in the instruction they gave us that was codified in the Bible, and acknowledging that, as is written in the Holy Scriptures, that the Holy Spirit is sent as our advocate and as our teacher, and that all men might receive the Holy Spirit, not just the few Apostles, as was made clear at Pentecost. We look to the Holy Spirit to guide the Church, that is the big C Church which includes all Christians, whereas Catholics and Orthodox look to men. Hopefully in many cases those men will be true believers who are filled with the Holy Spirit, and they may lead their small c churches wisely even if their position of leadership comes about by error; but it is clear from history that in many cases that has not happened.
Amen
You have a gift for understanding all the denominations. God bless you.
Orthodoxy isn’t a denomination. It’s not part of the two-sided coin of Roman Catholicism & Protestantism. It’s not one of the 45,000 sects that Protestantism gave birth to.
There isn't 45,000 sects.
Wow, you've outdone yourself with this one, Zoomer! Far more respectful and educated than your previous takes, God bless ☦️😊❤️
He basically said that same things but without criticizing tbh. Everything that he said here was said in his video "Disagreements with Eastern Orthodoxy". hat Orthodox Christians said he had no idea what he was talking about, because in their minds, it is impossible for you to understand what they believe and still disagree.
@@pedroguimaraes6094 Im coming more from his Instagram which might be more satirical anyway. In any case there have been times where he's compared us to baptists, and even now he compares the experience of Christ to the mormons' "burning of the bosom" which is pretty bad considering the fact we must be extremely aware and discerning of our thoughts and feelings because the heart is full of deciet and prelest is a very dangerous passion which is ignited by this "burning of the bosom", and cannot be compared to the experiential journey of Orthodoxy. On top of this I have some vague memories of other interpretations of our practices being incomplete or having some ridiculous criticism or commentary to go with it. Honestly the lack of criticism does make for a much more respectful and unbiased video because the criticism tends to be rooted in misunderstanding due to a different spiritual foundation that comes with the calvinist lens. Any spiritual lens comes with its own "baggage" so if you're going to try and inform people of another faith, then its best to leave your baggage at the door and not use it as a lens to which you criticize what you're trying to educate on. I myself am exceedingly guilty of doing that, so I appreciate he was able to avoid it for the most part in this vid
Althought I don't agree with much of protestant theological wievs, I do respect you RZ because you are quiet objective on the matter of Orthodox Christianity. At least you don't call us idolatres, pagans etc. Thank you for this video, may God bless you.
Well, maybe he's not that harsh, but he thinks that praying to icons is heresy.
@@ViguLiviubut taking the eucharist with Costco bread and Grape juice isnt satanic prots 😂
Um, actually, he does essentially call us heretics in other videos. For some reason, he is exceptionally fair minded in this video. But I've seen another video where he says that everything Eastern Christians believe is wrong.
You are not even Christian
You’re not a Christian, according to your profile picture.
Respect to RZ for this unbiased representation of Orthodoxy. You were one of the people that led me to the Orthodox faith because of your historical analysis videos.
The orthodox church does not say there is no salvation outside the church. This would limit God. God saves who he wants. The orthodox WOULD say that the Orthodox church is the best way we know how.
As an Orthodox, I think you did an amazing job
My father is an orthodox priest, well I'm not in the religion, but I loved the video. The point is very true about the relations with other churches, he's always like "oriental orthodox are wonderful, catholic are ok, they are like brothers to us, but protestants tho....."
actually personally protestantism is the most interesting to me, always have been
Baptists are more like EO than the Catholica are, methinks.
8 videos and 4 debates later, Glory be to the father and to the Son and to the holy Spirit for leading this young man to an Unbiased video. Truly appreciated ☦
Christ is Risen, Trampling Death by Death! ☦️
Truly He is Risen! ☦️
This has been your best video on the EO so far
I’ve been waiting for this video!
Your Denominations Explained series has been great. Hope you keep going.
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Good Job redeemed Zoomer, thanks for just displaying the beliefs rather than your interpretation of it or what have you. Really well done video, God Bless you
Note: pretty much every Orthodox person I know doesn’t say other members of churches will not be saved. Everyone I know refers to this quote of one of our Saints
“You ask, will the heterodox be saved…Why do you worry about them? They have a Savior Who desires the salvation of every human being. He will take care of them. You and I should not be burdened with such a concern. Study yourself and your own sins…"
* St. Theophan the Recluse
@@z3rocodes precisely, God Bless you, have a good weekend.
The more fundamentalist you are the more you believe that the salvation comes only for orthodox. The deeds separate you from salvation, but also following the tradition.
the way ive always thought of it is like this:
your in a desert, looking for an oasis. the orthodox church gives you a detailed map of how to get there. now, in theory, you dont need to use this map, you could just walk in a general direction and hope to find it. or perhaps you could follow your gut. but you are much less likely to get there then with the orthodox.
@@User-o46774 Sounds nice. Catholics before VAT 2, also had a good map. Also the sins that you do that you truly regret will be forgiven.
Amen and Amen!
The thing I love about this series is that I feel like you're doing what you can to convince me that the denomination in question is right, even when I know that you don't personally believe what they espouse.
There's no Salvation outside the Orthodox Church because the Church (Body of Christ, union of God and Man) is Salvation. Orthodoxy is the revealed way by Christ. But God may save whoever He wants, and whoever gets saved, is ultimately united to the Church in Heaven.
that's cool, tell that to all the saved Catholics :)