Mido's Bloody Fate (Zelda: Ocarina of Time Theory)
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- Most Zelda fans that grew up with Ocarina of Time will remember a Kokiri kid named Mido, who served as the first progress check/super mean bully. Ever wondered what happened to him after all was said and done? Join me to find out!
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Who is your LEAST favorite character in ALL of Zelda lore? For me, it's got to be... probably a certain flying chicken
Mine is the snotty kid from windwaker
That old man from the original game
He's a jerk
For me it's tingle, I've found him anoying since Majora's mask
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Spoilers for age of calamity:
Astor is my least favorite because he killed sooga D:
Man the ooccoo creeped me out when twilight princess came out, even though I was already fifteen lol
Both Mido and King Zora lost someone to them becoming sages. That's why they are sat together in mourning.
mhm, I realized this last year when I played the game again, made me pretty emotional
Almost makes me wonder if mido saw him as a father figure after that, since he lost the Great Deku Tree
Shouldnt Goron Link sit with them as well then?
He lost his father, the Boss of Goron City ^^
You can see the Sage light of Forest and Water (Saria and Ruto) in the scene saying their farewells to the left behind family members.
Extremely sad rlly 😢
@@Raffalius Little goron isn't even at the party so far all we know he's in Darunia's throne crying
People hate Link for one simple reason. Dude will bust into your house to break all your jars, steal your cash, and do it again at the neighbor's place without a care in the world.
@Luis Suazo r/wooooosh
@@bigsmoky3985 for you? Yes. They added on to the joke.
Could you imagine some random dude dressed in all green rolling into your house and busting up everything? I'd be so confused at first followed by anger cause they stole my cash. 🤣
@Luis Suazo At least the chicken mafia has the people's back over that thugass Dink!
Holy shit! Link is basically a dudebro! Fuuuuuuuuuuuu
You gotta feel bad for Mido, both times he finally let's Link pass, someone dies. The first time he couldn't accept it and blamed Link, but the second time he learns that he's just going to have to accept it
Only one person died when he let link pass by. Saria is still technically alive for all intents and purposes.
@@MysticWarriorMJ I mean, spiritually yes, physically no. It's pretty obvious that all sages leave their physical body behind.
@@TheJH1015 Are you unaware that they had to fight in Link's place in the Fallen Timeline after Link dies? The Sages are not actually dead. They even have descendance. The lore is that the Sages must stay in the Sacred Realm, which is a physical place by the way, in order to aid the Hero. At the end of the OoT, they came back. Notice how they are holding lanterns.
@@TheJH1015 you see the sages coming back in the credits
@@TheJH1015 I always thought that their physical presence was sent to the realm of light although at the time I played it I was a bit younger. I still would like to think they didn't die in the traditional sense. But if ganondorf killed the sages then that makes the total death count what 7?
The credits sequence with the two sitting away from the festivities is a pretty powerful moment. Celebration can bring out the melancholy in those who mourn the passing of better days. Mido never had a chance with Saria but now that dream is entirely gone and a father will never get to see his daughter again. At least the two sages sprinkle some of that light over them just to let the two know that they'll never be completely gone.
Well untell they also get killed a second time by future ganondorf
@@Eddy-xc4ni only ruto gets killed.
water sage is shown killed in child timeline but I think thos were ment to be different sages prob the sages before gannon attacks at beginning of oot cause they were all dead so link awoke new ones but in child timeline they all live and link doesnt awake them because he warned everyone before gannon attacked
And ruta and saria are killed in adult timeline as see by the fact there are new sages that arnt them that get replaced by tree boy and bird girl in windwaker
But I guess its possible that ruta lives in that timeline as the ghost/dead/past sage that's a zora isnt the water sage it's the fire sage so I guess darunia dies and a zora takes his place then that one died and now a rito takes its place
And saria died and was replaced by some other korki child who then gets replaced by kokork
If only they zoomed out in the credits to clearly show the 2 sages hanging over them, I know so many people who don't realise they were up there, even as they fly off and you see them
What u mean? The whole game is pretty powerful. So
Small note from my head cannon
I’d like to think that Mido figured out mid-conversation he was talking to an adult version of the Link he once knew, and that he was swallowing his pride by apologizing, while also somewhat feeling shame/saving face by not directly admitting that he had realized who he was talking to
Same!
I think that is what's actually happening because he says, "When I see you...I don't know why, but I remember...him..." I think that was the point of him figuring it out and then coming to that conclusion that it is, in fact, Link.
"Tell him.... I am sorry...... tell him that.."
Yeah, mido definitely would be that kind of guy
Head *canon
Zora king also blocking the horse entrance. Classic.
😂
I like to think Mido made his name by protecting the Harbor from enemies...the same way he did against Link. By shuffling side to side with one hand outward, stopping any from passing.
He sent the enemies on fetch quests, and per game mechanics, they had to go find random items before they could get past XD
@@HardlyBardly "oh, you wanna raid my people huh? First you need to fetch 100 deku seeds, and use them to defend this settlement I've marked on your map"
Serious moves, serious side steps.
So you're telling me that this small child, during a war I might add, stopped an encroaching army at a port by shuffling side to side with his hand sticking out and told this said army to a series of fetch quests and the entire army failed them/died doing them?...
Sounds heroically viable to me. 🙂👍
@@trevthekidd he would make a good mintemen
If Mido were to make a name for himself among the Hylians, I personally think it would be more as a rescuer than a war hero. When the war raged, Mido could have gone out to the Hylians and helped them evacuate to the Kokiri forest. Since he and other Kokiri would guide them, the people wouldn't get lost and become stalfos/skull kids. For the Hylians, some kid suddenly showing up out of nowhere and saving many lives by relocating them to a conveniently hidden location would be quite the heroic tale.
Except Ganondorf knew his way around the forest, as he was there to demand the Deku Tree hand over the Kokiri's Emerald and curse him for saying "no". Surely the fires of war reached even the hidden village of the kokiri...
@@pipopoke It's possible, but he also could've been too preoccupied with the opposing armies to notice or care.
@@pipopoke Kokirigakure
Si its not true that when they leave the forest they die i never understood that part
@@stdlr1565 could just be a foreboding way of saying they will lose their eternal youth/potential immortality. Not that they would die the second they step out the woods, (as shown by the many of them at the party lol) but just that maybe if they're outside too long they will age amd eventually reach death like anyone else.
Either that or Tree was just telling them that there are more monsters and ppl out there that could kill them as a scare tactic idk
Mido was the Secretary of Defense for the path to the Deku tree.
Maybe the reason King Zora and Mido are sitting together in the credits is because they both lost someone very close/ important to them. King Zora lost his daughter and Mido lost Saria
I came here to say this. Seems like a really important piece to miss and write off with a joke.
Same here.
I for one, subscribe to the King Zora - Mido romance fan theory
˜”*°•.˜”*°• I mean look at them they'd be the perfect couple •°*”˜.•°*”˜
@@ThreeMusketeersGaming69 oh my god you madlad
IDK, Link (the goron youth, not the green hat hero) lost his father Darunia. He's not over there with them, I would imagine that would be on a similar scale.
If it's canon that he gets a town named after him by the time of Zelda 2, he must of done something pretty great to be on the level of the sages
Not trying to sound superior or anything but it's "must have" not "must of" just wanted to let you know! If you don't care, that's alright too haha
@@CheekieCharlie I think this is a result of kids only hearing people saying "must've" without seeing it in written form...
As a kid, I always thought that Mido getting a town named after him in Zelda 2 was achieved through some manner of deceit, false deed or exaggerated story that was spread around by Mido centuries ago. Cause he's a d*ck.
I don't see it that way anymore though.
Well, we are missing the Wind and Earth Sages in OoT. WW Fado is clearly a different person from OoT Fado, so OoT Fado likely isn't the sage, and WW Fado was likely born years after Ganondorf's defeat.
Maybe Link's defeat caused the two extra Sages to have to awaken a generation or two early. Mido, and the as-of-yet unseen Kasuto (Mikau's Hyrulean counterpart in my headcanon).
If that's true, maybe Mido, in whatever state of mind he was at the time, decided to step up and being the kind of guy he was to Link and lording over the rest of the Kokiri, led a distraction against Ganondorf or his forces that allowed the Sages or the combined fighting forces to do what they needed. I'm thinking trash talking and refusing to give up a key position. Maybe the Kokiri did grow up after leaving the Forest and they got to a point of being able to fight on the level of trained soldiers or mimicked what they learned about Link before Ganondorf killed him to the best of their abilities.
He's sitting with the Zora because both of them lost someone extremely close to them. Princess ruto and saria.
Bingo
Bruh I don't know why he didn't say anything about that, its literally one of the most obvious things in the credits
@@pkmntrainer8115 because it would make his silly theory less plausible
This theory makes Mido sound like a total badass, at least in his later years.
I firmly believe Mido was always a badass in his own right, we just never got to see it because the story was focused on Link. There are many other theories that could lead to this, one of which I want to say is, in short, when the monsters started popping up in Kokiri forest and it eventually no longer became safe, and Mido had to actually be a leader and lead his people to safety.
Can't be that badass, he got a SWAMP in BotW
@@bojaidin AND a whole town in the Adventure of Link. And hey, what land do you have named after yourself? To have people name a piece of land after you is still impressive!
@@x0uzumakinaruto0x if I remember, in the OoT Manga, Mido helps Link kill Gohma inside the Deku Tree. He is a MENACE with a slingshot.
I always just assumed in the credits that Mido and King Zora were sat on their own sadly as they had just lost someone they loved...
That's 100% why.
This theory is just pretty bogus all around
You can’t ignore King Zora sitting next to Mido as, “he’s just too big.” Dude lost a daughter and Mido lost a father (deku tree). That is powerful and I always felt they were comforting each other. In my head canon, King Zora may have even taken Mido as a surrogate son. Zora’s were great warriors. In any timeline, Mido meets up with the Zora, he becomes a warrior.
Of course, my head canon is just as much speculation, but it’s hard to separate that these two sit apart from the crowd, but together.
Mido also lost Saria.
@@This_Guy_Exists Mido never "had" Saria.
Wait, don't the Zora evolve into monsters in the Downfall timeline? Where we're establishing Mido became a war hero? In that case, he would've been forced to fight the Zora King, assuming most of the Zora were already becoming evil in that timeline, possibly adding more guilt onto his already heavy conscience. That's depressing, even for a kid in a franchise whose hero is literally a child soldier when you think about it..
@@Skycrusher He still cared about her. She was his friend in addition to him having a crush on her. And to top it all off, he has guilt from not being able to keep his last promise to her.
Something i just realised, the kokiri at the lon lon party have no fairy at all, even mido... perhaps when a kokiri leave the forest they lose their fairy and then begin to age normally... maybe the fairies are the ones who cant leave the forest at all in normal conditions, thats why navi had to abandon link at the end of oot in order to survive or maybe to mantain her physical form ( i theorize that when fairies are used to give health or leave a fairy fountain they lose their physical form and leave to another realm), maybe they are the reason kokiri dont age as they have the power to cure?
Good eye. I noticed that as well. I wonder what happened to the faires when the children leave the forest. Maybe nintendo mask bandit needs to make a theory on this.
@@daviddrew1541 i would love a video theory about it too!
Maybe, just maybe, the fairies are the ones that keep the kokiri in their human... hylian (?) form? Because the ones from Wind Waker and BotW don't have a fairy either and their looks changed... Tho I think the Deku Tree might have something to do with that because he needed them to plant seeds in the other islands 🤔
Fairies can reverse cellular degeneration. Got it.
@Luis Suazo I would argue that link is a Hylian and not a Kokiri but then we would need to figure out how Kokiri are made lol.
Thinking about it, Mido actually saved Link. Link needed to find a sword and a shield before he could see the Great Deku Tree since there were monsters on the way to and inside the Great Deku Tree.
I could've done it with deku sticks!
The Deku Tree wouldn't have let him in without gear either. All the enemies on the way to the tree are stationary, they're only dangerous if you touch them. More than likely, after the Deku Tree gives his whole speech and Link agrees to help, he'd send him to get the sword and a shield before returning.
Mido’s “sister” is named Fado. She’s the one girl with twin bun hair and is obsessed with Stalfos. It’s a reoccurring name.
probably just a popular name among kokiri
@@toxic_shr00m That’s what I said.
Oh right, the girl who kills the carpenter boss' son which turns him into a stalfos, then takes back the drugs - I mean 'odd potion' - that you had made for him 😄
trans baddie.
@@ashy_kn33s45 ????????? Has nothing to do with my comment.
"Ah, yes. The tale of Mido is a tragic one, but one we all need to hear. Our actions have consequences, the consequences bring sorrow, sorrow unveils fear, fear lights hope, hope forms courage, and courage fuels a brighter future."
This is no lie... I go through it every day.
Whoa now! Fear is the path to the dark side, my boy Yoda said that so you know it's straight facts
@@cptsteele91 True
Yup
This sounds like a fanfic waiting to be written. I think I'm gonna give it a go.
He doesn't just tell "a stranger" he regrets treating Link badly. I think he recognizes him, say those very specific things then pretends to be clueless just to avoid getting all emotional.
A recurring theme I find amongst fictional male characters I read about in fanfiction, it seems. Why they always wanna hide their emotions, those fools?😊😂❤
I’m pretty sure literally every character who reacts to link in the way that mido and ravioli do react that way because of jealousy, just cuz link always gets the important job and/or the girl. I feel for the other guys honestly.
"and/or the girl' well that was interesting to read...
And the only things Link can speak are "hyaaa" and "aaargh"
Ravioli lmfao
Revali has basically the same job as Link and still bullied him. it's not until link beats Windblight Ganon that Revali finally accepts him, despite being unable to do jack until Link shows up
@@tanandalynch9441 not really, they both have the title of champion but, as revali says himself, his job is effectively to help Link kill Ganon by shooting a laser alongside 3 others while Link gets all the glory because of the master sword. He thinks of himself as superior to the others and unfitting to the job of “support for Link”. He accepts Link after he defeats windblight because he realises he was ignorant to Link’s skill and realised that Link was deserving of his role and title.
Mido is sitting with King Zora because they both lost someone close to them, closer than the others did. Mido loved Saria, and King Zora loved his daughter. The scene directly following them sitting is a green sage spirit (Saria) and a blue sage spirit (Ruto). The two are probably not celebrating and are mourning their losses quetly together. Mido isn't just off by himself next to a random stranger, they're together very purposfully in this scene. It reminds players that while the war was won, there were also lives that ceased too be, at least in the way that they once were.
Regardless of the theory, the reason for Mido being sad after Ganon's defeat is actually just that he misses Saria just like King Zora misses Ruto.
The Kokiri & Gorons are too happy-go-lucky to not celebrate. The Zora & Gerudo didn't know Ruto or Nabooru personally. There are no Sheikah present to mourn the loss of Impa.
There's nothing more to Mido's sadness at the end, he's sad that he wasn't nice to Link & lost Saria.
Maybe Mido became a great warrior. You have to take the trial of Wood (a very combat oriented trial) and fight with wooden weapons in BOTW to get to the shrine located in Mido Swamp. You might be on to something there.
I go through the trial of wood every night. It gets pretty hard actually.
Since back in the day when we played this game, I always thought that the death of the Kokiri on leaving the forest wouldn't be an instant one, but one because of aging.
I can just picture it: News has spread throughout Hyrule that the hero Link is dead. Ganon and his forces are reigning over Hyrule unchecked and the call has gone out to all the people if Hyrule to stand their ground. Meanwhile in Kokiri forest, Mido struggles with weather or not to get the Kokiri involved. He thinks about Link and everything that has happened between them when his thoughts are interrupted by sudden screams. The forest has been ambushed and as Mido runs to aid a fallen friend, he's knocked out cold. When he comes to, the forest is in shambles. Many Kokiri and other forest spirits have perished. Mido can't help but feel this destruction to his own people was the fault of his for failing to act, and he decides no more. Gathering his own sword and shield, Mido declares to all remaining Kokiri that it's their war just as much as anyone else's now. He rallies his forces, all Kokiri with their unique talents as well as the Skullkids of the Lost Woods and even the long oppressed Deku scrub race puts aside their difference and joins the forest army to rise up against Ganon. Meanwhile back at Ganons castle, all hope seems lost. The forces of evil are tearing through the people of Hyrule like tissue paper, the sages are at their powers' end and Princess Zelda lies on the brink of death with Impa by her side. Suddenly the sound of Deku trumpets echoes through the castle grounds. The evil hesitates to find their next target only for the army of the forest to spring out of the very ground (an old Deku scrub trick) and go full Ewok-Apeshit on Ganons forces, surprising them and giving Hyrule the upper hand it needed to break through Ganons forces and imprison the evil King. Mido is looked at as a war hero by some, but by others as a glory hog who waited until the last minute to play the hero. In the end, only Mido- and the spirit of the hero- know for sure what his true intentions were~
Why doesn't this have any comments??? This is pretty cool! You should write a fanfic about this. :D I'd read it.
@@DreamingHearts thank you, maybe I will haha
@@thegreatspider-saiyan This is good stuff, I particularly like, "but by others as a glory hog, who waited till the last minute to play the hero..." it's very close to a real life situation, if you know your history.
cool
I never thought Mido hated Link, just that he was jealous of him, and wanted to keep the Kokiri safe from what was happening at the tree. He never seemed particularly unreasonable, and also seemed true to his word since he promised to guard the pass against the unwary and let you pass when you actually DID turn up with a sword and shield.
I think that if mido sat aside the zora's king instead of festing, it's because he is sad about the loss of saria (and the king sad of the loss of ruto) not because of guilt toward link even tho he obviously felt guilty
im sure he felt the bad about how he treated link and sad about the loss of saria
Zelda fan theories just keep making Ocarina of Time better and better, even after all this time. I love it lol
That's why it's my favorite in the series also its my first Zelda
I kinda like the idea of Ordon folk (Ordonians?) being descendants of the Korkiri. Although it doesn’t explain the sudden change in their ears going from pointed, Hylian like ears to more rounded human (or Gerudo from oot) ears.
Possibly down the line, the genetic for that was recessive so round ears became a thing. However in the result for Link is that he is Hylian and they have long ears to hear things ordinary people don’t.
Of all the theories that aren't super well supported, I think this is the one I like the best. It just seems like a great idea for a story and is much better than just "and the Kokiri disappeared forever."
As a follow up to what you say, I've been wondering where the gorons did vanish off to? We see them in the downfall timeline once, in the Oracle games, but those are different countries/lands/dimensions? Did they, along the zora flee hyrule (leaving only their evil zora brethren)?
@@alundrajehuthy1801 the only thing potentially ressembling a goron are those weird invincible things that turns into on death mountain
@@alundrajehuthy1801 in Botw the zora do get back there old forms kinda
I always thought Mido was sitting with King Zora at the party because the two of them had lost people very close to them (a best friend/crush and a daughter), and that loss overshadowed the joy of Link's victory.
Other than that, I liked this video, especially the theory that Mido became a hero himself in the Downfall Timeline. It would certainly explain why there's a town named after him, instead of say, Malon, or another character who was more helpful to Link in OoT.
I also think Kasuto is the actual name of OoT's Impa, that "Impa" is a title given to the Shiekah who takes on the role of the Princess' guardian. That way, all the towns (except for Mido Town) were named after Sages.
Mido's guilt of the way he treated Link really is a great tragedy, if you think about it. When he said he was sorry, though he was saying that to Link, he didn't know that it was him at the time. I imagine later he found out, but by that time, Link had vanished from that timeline forever, letting out his feelings to what he thought was a stranger in that moment was the closest thing to closure he ever had with Link. He never really got to bid a true farewell, either. This was how things were left in the world Link left behind, the world without a hero.
Currently going through a family crisis so this video has been a massive help for me. Thanks Bandit.
Aww I hope things get better for you soon! I will keep you in my prayers friend.
❤️
I really like the idea of Mido becoming a hero of The Imprisoning War.
It's a full story for the character.
Well done 👏
I think the “if you leave the forest, you’ll die” bit refers to them losing their child form. My thoughts: The Kikwi, who are more than likely the ancestors of the Kokiri and the Koroks, at some point before OoT ask the Deku Tree to give them their childlike appearance. BUT, it came with the condition that if they leave the forest, they would “die.” But not die literally, but that they would lose their childlike appearance/that form would “die.” Some people might ask why there were still Kokiri children in the adult timeline at the end of the game. All I can think on that one is that maybe the magic takes a while to wear off/revert to their new Korok forms.
Is it a solid hypothesis? I think it is for the most part since we don’t see the Kokiri before or after OoT.
Impa is always called Impa…
Well almost, we got Impaz that one time in Twilight Princess 😅
I’m just nitpicking though, I really like your storytelling ability and how you edit videos. The end product is of really high quality. Well done. 👏🏻
impaz explained in the hidden village that her name was given to her based off of ‘the great one who built this village’ - referencing impa. that one doesn’t count imo
@@marvelousflawless It’s not really a big deal and I can understand why he wrote the script like he did. I just wanted to point out that there was a game with a character that fills the role of “wise (Sheikah?) woman” that doesn’t go under the name of Impa. But Impaz is obviously close.
impaz backwards is zap me
To be fair Impaz was literally the only Sheikah left alive
Close enough
I really like the idea that the Kokiri leave their Forest and then age normally. It opens up so many possibilities!
An example: It makes it possible for the Koroks to be the creations of the Deku Sprout rather than an evolution/transformation of the magical Kokiri children.
That sounds plausible.
I think the Koroks could still be be the children that instead of growing as adults evolve into a lifeform that was more to the likeness of the Deku Tree, because in order to avoid the dangers of an ocean riddled world, their guardian would prefer to perserve their inoccence by making them be more in sync with mother nature, and at the same time, granting them more freedom that a Hylian could ever afford on their lifes.
I think it could be both. Some left and grew up, and the ones who stayed slowly became the Koroks.
In the 97 spaceworld release of the game play, the shadow medallion , with its sage being Impa, was actually called "Mido's seal". Wonder if he was meant to be a sage?
The Zora King is sitting out there being sad with Mido because his daughter isn't coming back either. It's a little different from a leader (like Nabooru or Darunia) or a mentor (like Impa), but Saria was the girl that Mido loved and Ruto is the Zora King's only child.
Something I noticed as well. In Zelda 2, the town of Mido is stated to be a harbor town, meaning it’s near the ocean. And who does Mido sit next to during the party at the end of Ocarina of time? The Zora King. I think it’s safe to say that the Zora King and Mido had a kinship with one another, and their two forces would fight together against Ganon constantly. For that reason, I feel that the Zora may have helped build the town of Mido and chose to have it be near the ocean to honor the great Kokiri warrior that fought along side them in the Imprisoning War.
A grieving father bonding with and naming an entire town after the kid he bonded with over grief? That's an interesting idea that deserves to be recognized..
The reason why Zora king was over there was because he was never going to see Ruto (his daughter) again just like Mido can’t see saris because they’re both sages
In the manga, its made clear that Mido had considered link to be less of an enemy and more of a rival/frenemy that he couldn't help but be frustrated with. When link leaves, Mido feels like its a betrayal and that Link wasnt the person he really thought he was. In this he loses both Link and Saria, his two closest friends that arent just lackeys like the bowlcut twins that follow him around. It always struck me as a moment of real growth for Mido to sit beside the King of Zora and sort of bask in that forlorn sadness of losing a loved one. He's matured, even if he hasnt aged.
I like that they split Mido and the Zora King into their own group of "doors." (It kinda made them French doors! LOL!) But, on the deeper side, it also becomes an illustration of opposites: right vs. left, rich vs. poor, royalty vs. peasant, good vs. evil, big vs. small, moist vs. dry as a dead deku nut, etc. Kind of interesting to think how opposite they were, yet they both were simply doors in the functional sense of the game.
I’ve always chalked it up to this too. I think King Zora partially feels guilty for being a neglectful father, and for having been too oblivious. Link quickly figured out that Jabu Jabu ate Ruto, when King Zora, being the leader of the domain, should have noticed/pieced it together first. So instead, he sat in Link’s way, letting suspicion and loyalty to diplomatic customs take precedent over his missing daughter. It seems like King Zora and Mido both blame themselves not only for their treatment of Link, but their obstruction of his journey, and any previous time they wasted.
If French doors took 5 minutes to slide open
The zora king mourns his daughter as mido mourns saria. Nobody else lost more from the calling of the sages, and even in victory, victory comes with a cost.
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I thought it was obvious that Mido and King Zora are mourning Saria and Ruto respectively. Even if you don’t believe they died, the sages obviously still can’t continue living as mortals, as they overlook the celebrations from Death Mountain after flying through the sky as spirits.
I honestly love the idea of Mido overcoming his depression and guilt to become a hero and leader of the Kokiri. I like the idea that someone else other than Link could've taken the role of hero.
Ever since long ago when I first played Twilight Princess, I noticed the similarities of Ordon and the Kokiri village. Both had a stream running through it and houses made of hollowed trees. And then the forest Temple was obviously of Kokiri origin. And probably made out of the remains of the original Deku Tree. It was my belief even 15 years ago when TP first came out that the two villages were one in the same. And when I connected the Koroks from Wind Waker being descended from Kokiri, I came up with my own theory. And said theory was that the new Deku Tree Sprout moved somewhere else and made the Koroks, which you see in Breath Of The Wild. And as a result the old Kokiri became no different from the Hylians because the magic that kept them young and immortal was gone. But that's not where my theory ends. How did the Kokiri Village become the farming village of Ordon? And when I thought about it I realized something. In Twilight Princess, there was no Horse Ranch, or even a mention of one. What's more, in the child timeline Link never got to be with Zelda because she didn't remember her love for him. But in Majora's Mask she clearly cared for him, though not quite in the same way. In fact, most of his deeds as a hero were forgotten, which is why part of his spirit remained as the skeleton warrior who trained his own reincarnation because of OOT Link's lingering regret. What I believe is that Link brought the people of Lon Lon ranch to the Kokiri village. And as a result they formed a new society around farming. Eventually choosing goats over horses due to the profitable cheese that could be made from their milk. What's more, Twilight Princess Link had no romantic relationship with that generation's Zelda either. And likely married his childhood friend Ilia because TP Link in the lore became the new mayor of Ordon in time. What I believe is that OOT Link married Malon on the rebound after spending the rest of his childhood years wandering around and looking for Navi, and then later founded Ordon as an adult back in Hyrule. Malon was pretty much infatuated with Link anyway. So it's really no surprise if she married him. More evidence of this being the case is the fact that Malon's song was known to the people of Ordon. Link used it to call Epona when using a plant to play the melody. So I think odds are pretty high that not only is Ordon the former Kokiri village, but that the village united with Lon Lon Ranch. As has been shown, Link is hardly ever reincarnated in his own bloodline like Zelda is. His soul just always comes back being born from whoever. Son of a blacksmith, of a war widow, and lord knows who else. Though his TP Self is apparently descended from his OOT self somehow. But this only reinforces the idea Malon was his maternal ancestor. TP Link's hair is darker as OOT Link's hair was blonde. Malon had brown/brunette hair depending on the depiction. And the song she sang was from her mother. That means that the song was likely passed down through generations in Link's family if OOT Link married Malon. Theoretically speaking, I think it's pretty solid evidence.
There's actually a good possibility Mido was going to be a sage originally!
I genuinely felt bad for Mido and OoT is something that punches me in the gut with sad, melancholic feelings. I like to imagine Mido went on to share the story of Link’s heroism and wanted to help others to make up for his unkindness to Link. He wanted other to believe in Link because he didn’t until it was too late, and he wanted to be a Hero to others. He wanted to redeem himself and do the right thing, like Link did.
Mido was just visiting me, we hang out a lot in the lost woods but he didn’t stay too long because you know he would die
Wait shouldn't you be dead
@@crimsonapollo1 no he's already changed into skull kid MM is waiting lol
Awe so he was nice ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ
@@crimsonapollo1 Does he not reappear in TP? With some puppets?
@@Macintoshthebestintosh ohhh yeah I forgot about that
I have always thought about the town names in Adventure of Link even before Ocarina of Time existed. After OOT came, I did notice that not every name became a Sage, and Kasuto not used at all. Mido, may never have become a Sage, but people who are respected for various reasons have had towns or other things named after them. Mido, could possibly have helped the Sages in such a way to be remembered with a town name. Kasuto, no real idea who he or she may have been or done to have towns named after. Just know that it is Japanese for Peace, Harmony, First.
I like to believe Mido was secretly, perhaps even to himself during the game, the sage of wind. Which is why he has a town named after him in Zelda 2, and maybe even a divine beast.
Isn’t that what he was originally in development?
@@ozero00rockon maybe? I'm not sure.
@@ozero00rockon from datamined stuff, no, It seems there was a character named Mido who was the Sage of Shadow, the Sage of Wind was Saria, since the Forest Temple was originally the Wind Temple
@@yagofazcoisaseuacho8035 Ah okay, that clears things up. Thank you
I always thought Vah Medoh was more of a reference to Medli but I see your point
I think Mido is just... processing his grief, and the fact that he did finally meet the person he wanted to apologize to and just didn't realize it until it was to late. Sure he did in a roundabout way tell Link he was sorry but he probably wanted to do it himself and now he will never be able to.
Maybe the Kokiri who leave will die because they can age and the ones who stay eventually start changing into koroks.
Mido and king Zora both lost people very important to them, king Zora lost his daughter and Mido lost his big crush. When Mido notices the sage sparkles, they're blue and green, like ruto and saria are letting them know that they're still there, watching over them. I always saw it as the acknowledgement that, even though the world is saved, not everyone is happy about the outcomes. It's a bittersweet moment, and one that has always stuck with me.
I discovered this video while searching for Majora's Mask content. Currently I'm watching and well, this is going to be my introduction to your content!^^
To me the reason Mido and King Zora are "moping" is they're actually grieving their loved ones, King Zora's daughter and Mido's best friend/crush, both have lost their closest treasure and they know that they will never come back home.
I've missed your zelda videos. Was happy to see one this morning. Always love listening to them at work!
i mean what HAPPENED to the ocarina of time? There are some legendary items that have just disappeared? where the fuck they at?
I think that the egg guardian (i forgot it's name) from age of calamity was made from it
I think HG did a video about that actually, but you right! That's a pretty blatant question!
@@BanditGames it's like where does all the hero's item go after they complete they quest?? Like when they die, are they buried with them?? One thing I'd like to see eventually in a Zelda game is a dungeons based on the tombs of previous heros, where for the dungeon, you have their complete load out. It would be a sick callback haha
@@sommervilleTRS117 It's only a (game) theory but both Wind Waker and Twilight Princess have the Hero's bow which most likely belonged to the Hero of Time.
Also Majoras Mask has the Hero's Shield, Hero's Bow and another one which I can't remember. But whoever this hero could be would be a cool theory.
Actually when it comes to giant timelines like this, it's common practice for world builders to take minor details (the names of towns) and flesh them out into actual stories (the sages/other characters). It's a way to fuel things like this! Interaction with the timeline, engagement with the material, and discussion about what the future could hold.
So think, next time you authors are writing; that silly, throw away name you used for a town your characters pass through could become the reason you continue to write, simply because you enjoyed the way the fan base latched onto it and theorized about it.
You're absolutely right, I personally think that most of video game lore is actually written by the fans. It is pretty fun though!
Is possible learning the true of the death and bravery of link can push a old rival Mido to actually do something to bring justices for link.
Theory aside, I actually love the story of Mido and Link.
I was badly bullied as a child and suffered from severe depression. It was easy for me to project my bullies onto Mido (he wasn’t as bad as them, but it doesn’t matter).
When Mido was shown to feel true remorse for his actions… it gave me hope. It gave me hope that those bullying me might “grow up” someday to recognize they were wrong, feel guilty for it, and become better, kinder people who won’t perpetuate or condone the cruelty they once displayed.
Having that kind of hope makes forgiving those who’ve wronged you, even when that forgiveness is undeserved, a bit more feasible.
Love the theory. Might I make a speculation? He, Midoh, felt guilty for how he treated Link. Yeah? That tells me that he started to remember Link FONDLY, right? So, what if after hearing about Gannon killing Link, Midoh flies into a rage that takes up Link’s sword and shield HIMSELF, taking the role of the Hero long enough for the sages to seal Gannon. He doesn’t even have to survive the encounter himself, so long as he bought enough time for the sages. And, wait for it…
There is no town in Zelda 2 named after Link. So maybe Midoh, in the end, was the “hero” in the legends in the downfall timeline. It would still fit! He fell in battle against Gannon, giving the sages enough time to seal him. And because only Zelda (and the sages) knew how Link fell in battle, and possibly Midoh faced Gannon in the Imprisoning War on the battlefield and fell THERE, he would be the hero everyone remembers! This earning him a town named after him, and eventually have an area around his home, The Lost Woods, named after him in Breath of the Wild!
If this could be true, in the end Midoh would have finally bested Link. Just like he always wished he could.
Why are you spelling characters' names like a weeb? Just use the localized spellings. Most people won't understand why you're misspelling them.
@@feshpince7181 Have you, like... looked at your own user name recently, YTP Lord?
Makes sense. After all it wouldn't seem to me that the Hylians see Link as a hero, since none of them really knew what Link was doing at the time. The other tribes would but not really the Hylians. Link didnxt really "save" the Hylians in any way until beating Ganon
King zora was also sulking. They were both sad that Saria and Ruto are gone. That's why they looked up when both of them flew by.
@MaskedNintendoBandit man I must say this has got to be one of my favorite theories in a good while and honestly it all connects so well and makes really good sense,,great video brother can't wait for the next✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
This is the kind of content I keep coming back for. Your music and visuals are a perfect harmony.
Y'know, this is a question I didn't know I needed answered, but I'm glad you brought it up. One thing that makes this interesting is that all three timelines would require Mido and the Kokiri to "grow up". In the adult timeline, failed timeline, and child timeline, the monsters plaguing the forest would still be a problem since unlike other areas Link saved, the Deku Tree's death is inevitable due to that happening before Link met Zelda. The Kokiri would be forced out of their homes either way.
The difference though is in the adult timeline, there was the Deku Sprout and I assume the Kokiri were able to return once he was strong enough to regain his protective powers. But it's such a long time, we see the original village was abandoned and taken over by the Lost Woods. This would explain how Fado and Makar can have a bloodline when Kokiri are supposed to be spirits. The Kokiri may have returned to the Great Deku when the Great Flood came or even before that when Ganon was rampaging and they returned to their old gods to pray. We don't meet a Deku Tree in the other timelines (I don't think) so I guess in those timelines, it really died. Instead new guardians of the forest arose.
Then in the child timeline, I'm not sure exactly how big a gap it is between OoT and TP but I could see Fado being Mido's descendant and in the wake of Link's heroism, they followed him as a commander or leader since again, unlike the rest of Hyrule, the Kokiri knew him before his adventures. And after being forced from their home and learning that Ganondorf was the one who cursed the Great Deku tree, there wasn't the big timeskip where Mido had years being leader in Link's absence and spreading the lie he killed the Great Deku. Maybe after returning from MM (since the gateway is in the Lost Woods) he stopped by the village to prove he didn't die from leaving and helped lead them out of the forest to the safety of the (at the time) peaceful Hyrule. Then after the war, they settled NEAR the woods to make Ordon but couldn't return to the forest due to the dangers of their previous unprotected village.
Then in the fallen timeline, I like your idea of Mido being the leader and doing some great deed. It's interesting that he would have a Harbor named after him since, if his descendants had ties to the wind in the other timelines, he may have had some power connected to that. Not that he was a Sage, but when Wind became important enough to have temples made to it, his children were the first to be chosen. A harbor would heavily rely on the wind for their ships after all.
(Which on that note, I thought I heard somewhere that the blond girl in the Kokiri with a morbid sense of humor was named Fado. Which if that's true, I guess we know who Mido married. What a perfect yet terrible pair they would make both in attitude and knowledge about just about everything in the village.)
Cool points, but that last one is a bit off, considering Fado is Mido's sister in OoT.
Mido doesn't recognize Link because Kokiri don't grow up and everyone thought Link was a Kokiri
I’m in the process of replaying all my favorite Zelda games and this was really awesome to watch. Thanks homie 🙏🏽
I think everyone's overthinking this. Mido and King Zora were having bad gas that day and were told to distance themselves for the sake of everyone else. Thus, the frowns on their faces, which was a combination of extreme discomfort and embarrassment.
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i always had a bit of a head cannon on Mido. i always thought he was turned into dark link or shadow link. like maybe he joined ganon but betrayed ganon in the end to save the sages and because of it he cursed Mido to be a dark version of link the real hero. but idk much about zelda lore so maybe.
LOVE THIS THEORY. Good Zelda fan content adds so much to the lore of the Zelda franchise. Thanks for all you do
My theory - Mido is a hero with a town named after him because he creat a great product to help women and named it after himself but put a L at the end. Yes that's right folk, Mido invented Midol.
Spectacular this is now canon 😂
What is midol, I'm to scared to look it up.
My own theory is that all of the Kokiri are war orphans like Link, and the Deku Tree took them in, and granted them immortality in the form of not aging. Link aged because he left the forest, and the other Kokiri likely will as well, until they get back to the forest.
I like the idea that Mido fought in the Imprisoning War. Cool theory
Except link was left there as a baby so I don't think that really works out.
@A B Link was confirmed to be Hylian not Kokiri, so he would age and grow into an adult even if he never left Kokiri forest.
The others were all Kokiri from birth no matter if they left the forest or not they would still be Kokiri. Also, by "die" the Deku Tree could've meant that the Kokiri would die of old age (not necessarily grow up) if they left the forest or die because of the dangerous creatures that weren't present in the forest until Ganondorf showed up.
This was a nice video. Way to extrapolate a bunch of interesting lore and enticing possibilities from just a few little details that often go unnoticed, and without any need to jump to crazy conclusions or reach too much, either!
This why you don’t bully because you’ll regret it soon.
Maybe Mido killed Link in the Timeline where Link is defeated, because he got jealous of Link and hates him for "killing" the Deku Tree and take Salia from him.
Mido stronger than Ganon confirmed
@@SuperDababy2 yes
These types of lore videos are my favorite! I love the intricate looks at supposedly minor characters. Thanks for sharing!
The idea that Mido helped fight against Ganondorf and thus got a town named after him is really cool!
The main thing I'll point out is that it's probably NOT a coincidence that Mido was sitting with King Zora. What do the two have in common? They both lost the person most important to them. Saria, and Ruto, respectively. I think the two were grieving together, over their respective shared hardships and loss. While it's funny to meme about King Zora's size and sluggishness, I definitely think the somber atmosphere of the scene makes it that much more likely that that particular grouping of characters was an intentional design choice. If Mido WANTED to be alone, he would have been ALONE- instead, he chose to grieve with somebody else who lost something like he had, in the same way he had.
The Legend of Zelda is such a beautiful game, Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask in particular.
I love this video. I always knew Mido had a golden heart. You should see how he turned out in the Ocarina of Time manga.
7:17 Kokiri Kid doubts in Hylian Boy, instantly regrets it
Awesome theory. I love the idea of this and it's official Canon in my head now
Thanks Mr Bandit for keeping up the good work with the Zelda content. Other games theories still interesting too.
Okay, you convinced me.
I'm ready for a Mido War Hero spinoff game
I dont know why but i fucking LOVE your theories dude. Like they make you actually think you know. Keep up my boy!!
the fact that the town named rauru came back to tears of the kingdom as an important character
There's so many of us and I love it. I love watching these in depth theories.
Thank you for helping me keep these games close to my heart all these years.
I love this theory, even if it’s a bit far fetched, it brings something new to mido
This is really cool information thank you! I've never known Mido had so much potential lore!
13:12 It’s possible that Kasuto is a corruption of “Castle Town” (this would make Old Kasuto “Old Castle Town”).
On the other hand, given its status as the Hidden Town, it’s equally plausible that Kasuto is/was Kakariko Village, with its name phonetically morphing over countless eons, a phenomenon that occurs in real-world linguistics as well.
5:53 is just brilliant. I was eating and had to clean my screen after this :D
Of all your theories, THIS ONE is undoubtedly my favorite yet, @MaskedNintendoBandit! I must admit I'd never given it much of an afterthough and assumed it was just a tribute from OOT to previous games. Though, as a writer and DM for many D&D and tabletop rpg groups this exactly what I do, in terms of eastereggs and naming conventions of my many worlds and universes... Can't even fathom how this has never occured to me. Great job in fleshing out some hidden lore about characters that are easily overlooked. Speaking of which, I got a theory question for you: whatever happened to the Mogma?
Considering the fact that they must have built underground cities, might they not pop up in BotW 2? ;-) keep up your great work!
Since you pointed out the Imprisoning War in a video about Mido realizing that he was bullying a hero, now I want a canon Hyrule Warriors where the main 3 would be Zelda, Ganondorf, and Mido. It could also set up a 3D remake of ALTTP with an end-credit scene like Marvel does with their movies, but idk.
Absolutely a great theory, didn’t ever think much of Mido. I do feel sorry for him and his loss. Even though grief is not spoken to much about.
Glad he was able to turn his pain around and do something good.
I really like the missable dialogue with Mido, I probably didn't even know or just forgot about it these small details make this game so great!
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Can say so much by saying so little. Subtlety masterfully done.