Raw vs Nitro "Reliving The War": Episode 112 - December 15th 1997
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Reliving The War takes an in-depth look at the Monday Night War, both WCW Nitro and WWF Raw is War gets compared (weekly) to find out which show was the really the best.
WCW Nitro kicks off with a big announcement; Bret Hart is in the arena. The Hitman makes his WCW debut tonight on TNT and we learn what Bret's role is at the upcoming Starrcade 97 PPV. Ric Flair is back in Flair Country tonight and Arn Anderson also attends the show, though Flair's night doesn't turn out all that great thanks to the nWo.
On WWF Raw we learn that Shawn Michaels will defend his WWF Championship against The Undertaker at Royal Rumble 98. Undertaker, however, has Kane and Paul Bearer on his mind. D-Generation X wrestle the Legion of Doom in the main event however HBK wants to get his hands on Owen Hart, so DX play cards until Owen shows up. Steve Austin brings The Rock's Intercontinental Championship to a bridge and Rock might have to swim to get his belt back.
00:00 - Intro
01:04 - nWo Promo / Traylor vs Vincent
03:24 - Disco Inferno vs Yuji Nagata
04:40 - Finlay vs Malenko / Cruiserweight Tag Match
05:51 - Undertaker Promo / Ric Flair Promo
08:54 - Lawler vs Taka / J.J. Dillon Promo
11:31 - The Rock Promo / Scott Hall vs Chris Jericho
13:51 - Dude Love vs Road Dogg / Meng vs McMichael
16:48 - Mark Henry vs Brooklyn Brawler / Steiners vs nWo
18:57 - Booker T vs Randy Savage
20:52 - Vince McMahon calls out Owen Hart
23:19 - Sultan vs Brandi / Benoit vs Riggs
26:07 - Rock & Austin Promo / J.J. Dillon Promo
28:26 - Bret Hart WCW debut
29:56 - Vince McMahon introduces The Attitude Era
31:56 - Buff Bagwell vs Lex Luger
33:58 - Steve Blackman vs José Estrada / Hennig vs Flair
36:44 - DX vs L.O.D / Hollywood Hogan Promo
40:37 - Final Scores / Credits
#WWF #WCW #nWo - กีฬา
"La Parka hit START for his alt attire" I died 😂💀
Just like in Tekken 3 when you choose Law, press start and get the Bruce Lee Gold attire with Gold Onitsuka Tiger shoes
Apparently Steve Blackman was so feared in the locker room that the other wrestlers would refer to him as sir or Mr Blackman. Even JBL was afraid of him
The only guys who could take him in a fight were Shamrock and Dan Severn.
@@cyrus2546 I'm sure Shane McMahon would of taken him on lol
@@cyrus2546 Not even.
Steve Blackman is trained in Tae Kwon Do, Escrima, and Jiujitsu.
Ken Shamrock is trained in isshin-ryu karate and modern arnis.
Dan Severn is trained in Judo, Jiujitsu and Sambo.
Blackman got em both. 🤣
But they still treated him like a jobber.
@@michaelmorbid704 Cause he had no mic skills at all. I loved his character but he couldn't be the main event unless he would have had a good manager maybe.
Hall mocking The Giant was always gold. 😁
And a classic call from Jim Cornette, "The Intercontinental Title will be sleeping with the fishes tonight!"
The commentary during the Steve Blackman match was great!
I wish Corny would call matches now and have it uncensored. Would be great TV
A remix of "Return of the Mack" by Mark Morrison to "Return of the Jam" in honor of Bret Hart's arrival to WCW/Return to Reliving the War is something I wish I could do if I had the talent. Incredible how much momentum and hype Bret had in coming into WCW and how much they dropped the ball.
oh man that is genius
Do it bro! You can learn all that skill, just take it one step at a time 🤞👍🏻🙏
Bret Hart is one of only nine WCW Triple Crown Champions. The idea that WCW dropped the ball with him is a complete myth.
@@namikstudiosno it's not
‘Steve ends it with a German Suplex and Jose thought he was German!’ Absolutely Dead! 😂😂😂💀❤️
Damn, that move by Juventud was just pure amazing. Dude doesn't get enough credit for being one of the best high flyers of all time.
By the sound of it, his attitude ruined his legacy.
That black heart angle could've been more then what it was but the wwf dropped the ball with it. But at least we got Owen in the nation and his awesome remix theme song
Owen X
I started watching raw in January of 98. Im not sure when owen was in the NOD.
@@marccaselle8108 he joined the nation in late April of 98
@@louisvelez40 I must have forgot that was a long time ago.
@@marccaselle8108 he didn't join the nation until the raw after over the edge when he turned on Ken shamrock in a tag team match against the nation I believe it was May of 1998
Man I have become such a big fan of ur content. I especially look forward to Thursdays for reliving the war
Same here!!!
Not growing up with WCW this is how I'm finding out what it was all about
Now we are in the early Attitude Era of the Monday Night Wars I remember watching the Raw side of things but now I can find out the other side of the story
Haa!
You, Me and about 308,000 other people.
😄👍
Like I told you a year ago, Blackman's here to show Glacier how a martial arts gimmick should be done.
"Orderly Conduct." 🤣🤣🤣 As a retired cop, I love it!
The Rock is really finding his footing at this point. Love Faarooq's reaction to The Rock shutting him down, his look says it all.
FaRock
his look says: "DAMN."
The Black Hart is one of the great "what could have been" in wrestling. It's a shame that it coincided with Austin's push and the peak of Shawn's politicking.
Owen should have at least faced Shawn at the Rumble.
Owen was so underrated.
I think Owen hurting Austin also had something to do with his push
Agreed. Imagine Owen winning the title by being Michaels and then losing it (the title) to Austin at WM14.
Yeah my thoughts exactly
For weeks I was thinking you were mocking Dude Love's finisher, comparing it to Shawn Michaels' but damn, it's actually called "Sweet Shin Music" that little kick to the shin is hilarious, Mick Foley is damn legendary
Foley did the shin kicks BEFORE Orange Cassidy😆
Dude Love is Mick Foley’s version of Shawn Michaels
@@stephentaylor6617 Shawn Michaels is Michael Hickenbottoms idea of dude love the dude existed first haha
I love seeing Macho Man stomping on the head of that fan who tried to charge the ring. Stuff warms my heart and I wish we’d see more of that. :)
The reason you don’t see that anymore is that now the fans are in the ring all the time. Especially in AEW. They are hired as “wrestlers”. ;-)
This show was actually the foresight to so many things, Austin throwing the IC title off a bridge but then a year later Rock throwing Austin of a bridge, the casket match that cost Shawn Michaels 5 years of his career, the final DX roster almost coming together, Rock starting to take over the Nation. In hindsight seeing so many little things now that played such huge parts in the WWF later in the year that shaped the Attitude Era.
But also seeing so many things that would eventually signal the end of WCW, starting with their horrible booking, Eric trying over and over to make the NWO its own brand and not just a faction, the none sense that was the Bret Hart run literally from day 1, many like to say 1999 was when WCW really went downhill, but no back in 1997 it was already starting to and you can begin to see the cracks starting to form, it was obvious that by this point the NWO was starting to become more of a hindrance to the company than an advantage.
Bingo. In many ways, WCW struck gold with the NWO storyline.
That said, it could be argued that the faction had run its course leading into Sting v. Hogan.
A clean Sting win would have at worst mitigated the damage of overexposure the NWO, because that woulda made them the ones pursuing the title, which naturally would have led to the NWO breaking up.
Instead, we got what we did, and that one match, Sting Hogan at Starcade 97, in my honest opinion was the true point of no return for WCW.
That's not saying they didn't produce great matches or stories after, (They clearly did) but any chance they had to win the war died that night.
@@tomneff7102 nWo was fresh for about 2-4 months after Hogan joined. After that it was quickly getting stale.
@@arciks11 I never said it wasn't getting stale, that's why a clean Sting win would have made the most sense!
Sting as the WCW champion and leader, and the NWO fighting from within on who gets the opportunity to take it back from the Stinger, leading to the end of the faction, was the logical way to go.
Unfortunately, egos got in the way of logic.
I always wanted HBK, Chyna, Triple H, X-Pac and New Age Outlaws together
@@tomneff7102 The problem wasn't the matches, it was the booking and storylines, when they finally realized the NWO was at its limit with having 90% of the roster as members instead of disbanding it they just made a new NWO, then it became a 100% NWO roster with 2 brands and WCW became the jobber roster. They killed WCW by forcing the NWO to take over only to then kill the NWO because it took over.
I get transported back to my teenage years with every review. Thank you Bio-Man
I swear right before Disco Fever started playing I had the song pop into my head. It was definitely the perfect transition lol
I find myself singing it in the car as silly as I possibly can. Then I think I wonder if anyone can hear me. And if they can’t they would never guess what’s coming out of my mouth.
Vincent was using his binoculars searching for anyone in the arena to pay money for his autograph.
Another Great episode of Reliving the war this series is amazing to watch.
Being born in 97, this episode of Raw was my introduction to what wrestling was like around the time I was born. When I was 13, I came home one day to find that WWE classics on demand were doing a free preview that month featuring these episodes of raw and nitro.
I was in high school at that time. Miss those days. WWE died after the Chris Benoit incident. ECW was the best show.
I was 15
@@matthewrobinson5193 same. I turned 15 2 days before this episode.
I was 20 reliving my youth again. '97 was such a great year for wrestling.
Being born in '97 you're not going to remember any of this. Lol You're not even a year old during this time. 🤦♂️
Re Read your comment my guy.
Little did we know that Ric would still be hobbling around a wrestling ring 25 years later.
No. We all knew. You knew. And I knew. We all knew it would be like this. I regret nothing.
@@paulsletten8985 I thought he'd be dead.
Finally, been waiting for this moment all week! Week was hectic, but I managed to get through. Reliving The War means More education, more humor, and more awesomeness. Keep it going, Ryan
Ah, the famous "Cure for the common show" promo that kicked off the Attitude Era.
"The Jam is back on reliving the war"
You can hear the smile as he says it
Jesus that bump Mic took. That looked gnarly.
A little info on the guy who tried to run in the ring on Nitro. I'm from the Charlotte area. His name is Sean. He is a childhood friend of a friend of mine, Kevin. Sean told Kevin to watch that night because he was going to run in the ring just for him (my friend Kevin). So now you know. He just did it for his friend to make him laugh. 😁
Thank you for putting the spotlight on Steve Blackman. He's the MAN we all neeeded.
This week has been straight up horrible personally, but finally it's time to relive the war.
Hang in there brother🙂
@@shawnmccarthy8565 Thanks bro!
I hope your next week is better
@@JackDManheim thanks!
I see that your comment was 8 months ago, but I still hope things got better for you.
God I love how you describe Steve Blackman matches, it's so hype it's hilarious.
"Jose actually thought he was German after the suplex", lmfao dude 11/10.
I look forward to your show every week. Keep up the great work. Cheers 🍻
Great episode, as usual. The Blackman commentary was fantastic.
Looking forward to the 1998 episodes, but I'm gonna miss 1997. 1997 was probably my favorite year of the War.
Also, I had that Cartman "South Park" t-shirt that the Outlaws were wearing. I left the sleeves on mine, though.
I'm here for Steve Mufuggin Blackman. LMAO
I was looking forward to Bret showing up that I forgot he was reffing that stupid match at starcade.
Well at least he's here, I've seen and read so much things about Bret in WCW but it'll be nice to see it week to week to see how it goes.
Spoiler Alert. The Hitman gets involved in the Hogan vs Sting match at Starcade
@@stephentaylor6617 man Hogan fucks that all up so hard with how he told the ref to handle it. Made Bret look like a dipshit when he was already put in such a stupid spot.
Bret was a gigantic failure in WCW.
Bret was made a ref at Starcade because he was still under a legal no-compete clause with the WWF that prevented him from wrestling for 90 days after leaving. WCW still wanted to have him at the biggest show of the year, so having him as a ref was a smart way of getting around the no-compete. What were WCW supposed to do, send Bret out to wrestle and just let him be sued by McMahon for violating the no-compete? WCW did they right thing here - the only thing they could reasonably do - but the myth is that they somehow stuffed up by not letting Bret wrestle straight away.
@@GrayRedRoom Bret Hart is one of only nine WCW Triple Crown Champions. The idea that he was a "gigantic failure" or that WCW somehow misused or undervalued is just a false myth.
The epicness of Steve Mahfuggin Blackman and “Man Love” had me dying! I fuckin love those guys! Blackman is a badass and Mick is just one of the Goats. Those wcw cruiserwieght matches were so god damn good too.
*Mufuggin'
I recently found out about you and I’m loving your content keep it up man.
Weird how the "Cure for the Common Show" bit was placed in the latter half of Raw, considering how it was all about Vince McMahon announcing a change in creative direction. You'd think something like that would have started Raw, at least maybe opened the War Zone half of the show. Also, I can totally see Vince seeing Billy Gunn's "You better recognize!" intro for the New Age Outlaws & immediately say "We're never giving Billy the mic ever again".
If Owen Hart would have left the WWF for WCW he would still be here today and wrestling in AEW
Black Hart Thursdays 🔥🔥🔥
I've been watching every single video of yours and this series is awesome! I grew up watching WWF exclusively, so it's awesome to get the perspective of WCW during the War. Now I wanna go back and watch Nitro for myself. Keep up the great work Bios!
The Black Hart gimmick should've been so much more. It essentially wrote itself...
The Brooklyn Brawler is the greatest enchantment talent of all time 💪
He's definitely in my top 10 of enhancement wrestlers, though my personal number 1 will always be Barry Harowitz. I'm more than happy he got his winning streak in 1995.
Was Coco Beware enhancement in your eyes?... i was too young to be able to judge
@@UCUSmusic coco was def a jobber but he did get on the card at events like Mania and summerslam so imo not enhancement talent.
@@macbelfast5891 thanks... i remember seeing him beat the IRS live in San Diego. He seemed more athletic and oddly more muscular than most of the roster
Watching RTW has opened my eyes about what really happened. Mostly about how little Hulk Hogan had to do with the NWO's success. If you listen to most Hogan stans you'd think that he carries the storyline but he was barely involved most of the time and the only interet was in hoping Sting would retire his tired ass.
Hogan wasn't even originally supposed to be "the third man". I can't remember who it was supposed to be... for some reason I want to say it was supposed to be Sting, but I could be wrong.
Between his boring, predictable matches and his nonsensical promos, I've no clue why anyone ever cared about Hogan.
@@thisisnotachannel It was supposed to be Hogan, but he wasnt sure if he was going to do it. His agent apparently was in tears when Hogan said he would do it. Sting was a back up in case Hogan changed his mind close to the event.
The importance of Hogan was Scott and Nash were over as "invaders" but they didnt have any REAL heat. When Hogan joined, he gave them that heat and thats what really catapulted the NWO. After the formation, they just kinda rode off that old heat, which, honestly, lasted for about 1 and 1/2 years.
@@joelzedney4299 I think it definitely was the fact that Terry was a babyface for his WWF career. He was a heel while with Verne Gagne but his main exposure was as the 'good' guy.
Owen Hart got that Johnny Lawrence look to him lol. I anticipated this episode with Bret Hart debut on Nitro just like the Scott Hall debut.
Funny to think Hennig wanted to retire Flair almost 25 years ago when he had his last match last sunday
I loved the segment where SCSA threw the IC belt in the river. Then the second part in the future when The Rock threw Austin in the river.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe this is around the time the riot broke out at a WWF house show in Little Rock, Arkansas.
Disco Inferno and the Techno Goths is the mash-up we needed.
These videos are simply put fantastic. They are more entertaining than any content being put out by WWE atm. Your commentary is spot on while also being informative & humorous. The music straight from my favourite N64 WCW / WWF games dials up the nostalgia and as someone who grew up during the Monday night wars these videos bring me the same joy in my late 30's as watching the wars back in the day. Awesome
I remember this. At the time I was a huge Bret fan (he still is the best that ever will be) and I was shocked at how where I was expecting Bret to have a huge, pyrofest entrance w/music and attire on par with what the Hitman was just weeks earlier and you get this. Streetwear Bret acting as a ref where he should have had a shot at any top head of his choice. Being 19 at the time, all that registered was the shock, I didn't have any insight on the business but at that moment I figured something was definitely wrong.
Then you learn that Bret was still under a legal no-compete clause with the WWF that prevented him from wrestling with another company for 90 days after leaving. WCW politics had absolutely nothing to do with how Bret debuted or why it took so long for him to wrestle.
Bret was corny b
Raise your hand if you love watching reliving the war
Still say my discovery of this channel was the best part of the 2020 pandemic
I would’ve liked to know where DX was going after WM14 if HBK hadn’t hurt his back . Like NAO joining HBK DX and what stories would’ve looked like with Austin as champ but HbK still active
I think about this all the time.
It worked out well in the end for everyone. HBK got his life together and matured, hed probably be dead now if he never hurt his back in 98. His leaving made room for Austin and the Rock to become megastars, Mick Foley to an extent as well.
Give HHH his run up to main event.
Going way back. Apparently the open idea was Bret/Austin for Mania 14 and Bret would put Austin over clean. I think that might have meant more with their history but I can't imagine it any other way
@@Lifeskillsish nailed it
And with Vince's introduction, the Attitude Era has begun!
And now my Thursday is complete! Thanks again for another great video!
The return of his excellency. Great to see Bret back on RTW, but what were WCW thinking using him as a referee.
What was WCW thinking, putting him in the n.W.o
And it wasn't even for the main event
Bret was made a ref at Starcade because he was still under a legal no-compete clause with the WWF that prevented him from wrestling for 90 days after leaving. WCW still wanted to have him at the biggest show of the year, so having him as a ref was a smart way of getting around the no-compete. WCW did they right thing here - the only thing they could reasonably do - but the myth is that they somehow stuffed up by not letting Bret wrestle straight away.
Bret was cool I guess. Another drink your milk and say your prayers type of guy
Wrestling Bios you are on 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥, keep up that flawlessly work you do on this series.
I thought you slowed the intro down for some reason before realising I'm right in the middle of a covid bout and it's all in me head! Senses are stuffed but it won't stop me from enjoying your content! Thanks for everything you do brother ❤️
This is my favorite Thursday night show. Keep up the good work, Wrestling Bios. 🏅
Your narration over the Steve Blackman segment was absolutely priceless!!!
With this match I see the appeal of Scotty Riggs. He had a smooth moveset & he could sell really well. Always need those type of wrestlers on your roster.
"people don't like Disco nowadays". Yeah, those same people also ate Tide a couple of years ago.
Again....another GREAT video. Thank you once again for the hard work you put into these episodes. It is much appreciated
I love Bret Hart. He's on my Mount Rushmore. But seeing him in WCW felt a little odd and out of place. And that's the way you debut him!! Pathetic!!
Plus that Steve Blackman intro. Love it!!!
They really dropped the ball on a potential harts pink and black vs n.w.o black white feud
Bret was made a ref at Starcade because he was still under a legal no-compete clause with the WWF that prevented him from wrestling for 90 days after leaving. WCW still wanted to have him at the biggest show of the year, so having him as a ref was a smart way of getting around the no-compete. What were WCW supposed to do, send Bret out to wrestle and just let him be sued by McMahon for violating the no-compete? WCW did they right thing here - the only thing they could reasonably do - but the myth is that they somehow stuffed up by not letting Bret wrestle straight away.
@@That_Guy- no they didn't, Bret was legally barred from wrestling for WCW for 90 days after leaving the WWF. There was a very good reason why he didn't just arrive and locking in sharpshooters left right and centre.
Loved all the Steve Blackmon stuff literally laughing out loud the entire segment! 🤣🤣🤣
Legend has it McMahon cut that promo in one take
"La Parka pressed start to get his alternate attire." Bro, that comment had me rollin. Great video as always!!
As much as i enjoy the show i must Point out that Vincent obviously used the binoculars to scope the arena for some of those insane olive garden breadsticks
Nice! Was all caught up and waiting for this! Cheers bro!
I always forget about Fit Finley's amazing mullet until he shows up in old clips
Man, can't wait for 98. Both company's were at their peaks at that time.
That promo segment by the black hart with Vince was sooo good. I’m saying to myself gotta take advantage of a more edgier Owen. The promos and feud between him and Shawn woulda been crazy for the title at the Rumble since Owen was white hot for that small moment
Thank you Wrestling Bios for making my Thursday much better. And I was at Charlotte North Carolina at this nitro. Loved it. As a child it blew me away.
I count down the days for these. I haven't been so addicted to a show in years.
Crazy how soon the tables are about to flip between WCW and WWF. Thank you as always for the amazing content!
That group of people dancing during disqo infernos entrance were hilarious.. i had to watch it twice 😅
Would love to see a original brand split. Raw vs smackdown reliving the war show! Original brand split was the best back in early 2000's...
He’s already mentioned he’s not going to do this. Hopefully changes his mind when this original RTW ends!
Wrestling Bios has from April 1999 to March 2001 of mostly horrible Nitros to watch so he may need therapy after that
"He thought he was actually German after taking the move." LMAO
Looking back at the dvd of World War 3 it was the Cruiserweight Belt that Ric Flair used to dropkick Curt Henning in the tree of woe instead of the US Title
The Black Hart was so much more interesting than DX I always hated that that got squashed
The Brooklyn Brawler! He is the best jobber there is! The best there was and the best dam jobber there ever will be!
Brooklyn Brawler vs Brett Heart, Now that's the Jam!
Thank you making Steve Blackman a thing in your series. I think he is the best version of Cat Stevens and Disco (not Alex though). Great episode!
Steve Mufuggin Blackman LOL
Disco was more over than alot on current Monday and Wednesday Nights.
That Billy Gunn intro has got me dying! 😂😂😂
I honestly hope Raw goes back to being something closer to what it was in the late 90's.
When Dude Love happens to transform into "Man Love", then transforms *back* to initial said form, time spent during forms has now _prevented_ him from full initial form as "Dude Love", however now a hybrid well call Dude Kind for this example. Thank you.
Another Thursday another trip down memory lane
It’s certainly been a while, but Reliving the War certain made me change my opinion on wrestlers, mainly Disco Inferno and Alex Wright. I honestly believe it was terrible that neither man got World Title Runs. Can you imagine a baby face Disco as World Champion? I think it’d be amazing.
It's amazing what going back and watching shows can do for your perception of a guy. I've been watching and reviewing old shows and people like Disco, Luger, and Bret Hart all were elevated for me.
Alex Wright is the greatest. Easy to talk to.
A renewed appreciation is one thing, but Disco or Wunderkind in the World Title picture is a different level of perception
A man as manly as Fit Finlay will break your thumbs for calling it the Mongo Spike.
I think the biggest difference between RAW and Nitro right now (and going forward, to be honest), is that something new and different is the focus of RAW almost every week while Nitro is still the nWo show. DX has a few segments, but it doesn't feel like they are an overbearing presence on the show and are actually doing things with other talent (like with the Outlaws this week, which is great foreshadowing).
It's Thursday! You what that means? RELIVING THE WAR TIME!!! LFG!!!
I love this series man! You do awesome work. I don't know how you can get all this done and still have time for horseman business but cudos to you!
Omg the techno ravers in the disco intro lmao
How fitting that the first Raw of the “Attitude Era” is highlighted by Austin/Rock and it’s one of their most famous segments
Watching this while I workout is a blast.
Steve Mufuggin Blackman, this whole thing just gets better.
So glad I started listening to these weekly. Can’t wait for the Starrcade 97 review.
Another week of mine saved by your Thursday uploads
Love your show man!!! Thank you!
You make a great point about the Disco Inferno thing.
Its been great to see you cover the monday night wars as they happen, so we can get the raw feelings and receptions of wrestlers at the time. Instead of the biased retconning over modern wrestling journalist or online wrestling fans.
I loved Disco Inferno as a kid. His gimmick was cool. Seeing people try to downplay him for whatever hes doing now is ridiculous. Same with other controversial (now anyway) wrestlers who were popular at the time.
Wrestling was so nice when the under-midcard talent was over, and content with their spot
Almost 13 years old was watching every monday flicking back and fourth....wwe really starting to get a lil more attention
I'm so glad I stumbled across this. I've really enjoyed reliving these shows I was glued to a TV watching as a kid. The Wright, blackman, Meng. and disco inferno segments are great, especially the Blackman ones.
15:38 I died laughing.