The Disastrous State of Jakarta’s Regional Buses | Transjabodetabek Tier List Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มี.ค. 2024
- We need bus tracking!
Also reconsider lodekisasi, get more high floor buses PLEASE!
Jakarta's regional buses are in a dire state. No bus tracking, horrible and maybe even dangerous bus stops, low frequencies, and Jakarta's tiny rail network for its size means that these buses are sometimes the only option.
Actual tier list starts at 3:17
I suggest watching the part before it because all lines suffer from the same problems.
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1. B11/B21 doesn't really have significant travel time changes after "lodekisasi". Sure in the beginning of the implementation, everyone got angry by the fact that they didn't turn off the speed limiter yet (being stunted with a max speed of 60km/h on a toll road), now with the speed limiter is removed, you got LRT Jabodebek-like speed with peak 75-80km/h, just ignore the gemlodak sound
2. It's only a matter of time that S21 and S22 to go "lodek" because until late 2024, there is still a shipment of low-deck electric bus, that replaces regular low-deck buses in some routes
Thank you for the information
I think some S11 buses suffer from this too as some were crawling at 50 km/h on the highway
@@shindorideI tried S11 on New Year's Eve, it was already lodek'd, I used a speed tracker and the bus was going 65 for most of the highway stretch
Most of the time it's like that, but there's one weird time where the bus was crawing on the highway at 50 despite it being empty (sunday morning) but as soon as we entered Jakarta, the speed randomly increased to 65.
The whole "lodekisasi" situation is basically lose/lose since the root issue is TJ needing extra revenue due to good ol' Heru slashing their subsidy. Either you keep your high-deck buses but with ticket prices being raised significantly (reaching APTB levels even), or turn every bus in the Bodetabek route to low decks, thus making a huge inconvenience for everyone and making us pay twice if we wanted to use the BRT services, but in turn the ticket prices stay at Rp3500
Sebagus apapun bus di dalam jakarta,kalau koneksi ke Bodetabek nya buruk ya percuma juga,20 jt org di Bodetabek TDK terhubung
setuju 100%, sambil merem kita juga tahu kalau Jakarta Inner itu udh aging population nya, younger worker and market tinggalnya di Bodetabek…😅
makanya pemprov Jabar sama Banten tuh kerja sama jgn enaknya doang
@@muhamadadilhalim7925pemkotnya pada masa bodo semua wkwk
@@rafi6618Pemdanya nebeng 😂
Mau koneksi ke Kota Bogor tp dihalangi sm protesnya supir angkot.
If Jakarta's Bus have a Tracking, I don't mind taking the bus instead of Gojek. I need certainty.
Yep, even if the bus comes every 30 minutes, if I know when it's gonna arrive, I will gladly use it.
If I know the bus wont come for the next 25 minutes, i'll just stay inside the mall a bit longer.
@@shindoridewaiting for transjakarta is basically legalized gambling. You can either not wait at all and see your bus already waiting, or wait for 10 minutes, or wait for 45 minutes and see three of your buses stacked on the bus stop. You'll never know what you gonna get
Those helpfull tracking died long time ago pal, its become non functional after ahok step down :(
And even worser after heru's governance
Yep, even before moovit died completely, half the lines were untrackable.
Check out google maps, they have already live tracking now. But not yet for the T11 and T12 here. Does anyone here use buses from Tangerang to Jakarta in the middle of traffic jam at rush hour? It usually stands still from IKEA to kebon jeruk 😢
I was with my Australian friend and she wanted to visit a mall in the bekasi area- ok so we decided to go to smb. I said let's use the B11 bus since it will take us directly to the mall.
I don't think you can even call the bus stop a "bus stop"
The Jatibening 2 bus stop literally has no signs and it's plonked right on the jalan caman toll exit off of the Jakarta cikampek toll road. No shelter. nothing. Google can only show you a vauge icon at where the bus may stop at.
Getting to that bus stop Is a nightmare as well. Especially if you live on and around caman. How do you get to the bus stop you may ask from Jalan caman? You literally have to walk on the toll exit to get to the bus stop. Hoping the cars exiting the toll road won't knock you down. It's a good 800m away from cikunir 1 lrt station which also brings me to my next point, they could have brought the bus station closer to Cikunir 1 Lrt station and could have made a great interchange point (granted the height difference is pretty large) but if they put in some effort, I think it's totally possible.
It's such a sad excuse for a brt stop. Never again.
whether how good or (mostly) bad the whole lodekisasi situation is, heru budi is still the main villain of trasjakarta and, well, the entire greater jakarta region too.
Remembering the days taking the transjabodetabek from cyberpark karci to jatibening for so cheap felt like a cheat code.
Same, I tried going from Cyberpark Karawaci to Summarecon Bekasi on a Sunday morning. Rp 3500, no traffic.
Felt weird considering getting from Gading Serpong to Karawaci is Rp 20,000+ because Gojek.
Honestly the Transmetrofication thingy they did to T11 really kill the price efficiency of the line. Although for the majority of the line it has become much more comfortable (cuz the better buses) to ride in, once you get to Jakarta (Slipi part of the route) the fact that it's not the tall buses kills the convenience and the price effectiveness. If you need to use the T11 to get to and from work everyday, that means now you have to pay 7k minimum one way because you have to get off the bus and pay again to enter the BRT lines. That is twice the usual cost and will definitely cut into some people's budgets.
Yep, also not being able to use bus lanes to skip traffic. One thing I miss about the old T11 is that once you enter Jakarta, you're basically flying past everyone.
Love your lists and info about Jakartas massive transit network, keep up the great work! Honestly at this point google should hire you to fix their transit maps lol
Thank you, well I don't know how to code but I can certainly help with surveying public transport.
Always enjoy your content bro!
The difference between TJ (TransJakarta) and TJ (TransJogja) is that they only reach the more populated areas. Except for Wonosari, almost the whole of Gunung Kidul regency, the whole regency of Kulon Progo. It's really hard to make a bus route between Sleman and Bantul, because despite Bantul and Sleman being like the 2nd and 3rd populated areas, the infrastructure is so bad that one of the bus stops that pass by corridor 14 is literally in the middle of the farm to just get to Terminal Pakem, and there's many places that would've been a good place to make a bus stop and make a new route on it. An example is Sleman City Hall (really close to Stadion Tridadi), the Institute of the Arts Yogyakarta, and the last one, which just can't be justified. Is Stadion Maguwoharjo? On corridor 14, it literally passes on Jaya Tajem Road. If they could just change the road to turn to the right and back at the Jaya Tajem road, they could've ended up at Stadion Maguwoharjo. That is the second-biggest stadium in Yogyakarta, the home stadium of PSS Sleman. That has a lot of potential to pass with public transportation, but they just wasted it all. And also, I think they don't have any aid from the government to do all that. Also, first of all, just for your information, in TransJogja, there's two companies that hold BRT public transportation in Yogyakarta. There's TransJogja, which is held by PT JTT (Jogja Tugu Trans) and PT AMI (Anindya Mitra Internasional). The other one is held by Kemenhub. TransJogja had 19 corridors: 1B, 1C (the new guy), 2B, 3A, 3B, 4A, 4B, 5A, 5B, 6A, 6B, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, and 15. The other one, the Teman bus, had three corridors: K3J (1A), K2J (2A), and K1J (12). The difference is that TemanBus doesn't accept cash and has no guard, and then they had many buses on the road, and they're all low-entry buses with two doors that once you enter, you pay. And the other door is for leave. For TransJogja, they had many more options: accept cash, have a student card (which only costs you 60 rupiahs), and 1B, 3A, and 15 are low-entry buses, while the other one is high-entry buses. TemanBus made things harder with public transportation, so that is why 1C (the new guy) was introduced. Many people feel that TemanBus makes things harder; they don't accept cash. And for students, they had to register their card or something, which only cost them 1000 rupiahs. Ok, I'm not anti-online payments, but I'm more pro-option. On the route of K1J, their destination is many of the tourist sites. Like Adisucpito Airport, Terminal Prambanan, and Malioboro. The thing is that the only route that goes into the far east of Yogyakarta, Prambanan, is only K3J. Which led many people mad because TemanBus was just created in 2020 and they already make trouble. People who choose pro-option want integration between those two companies. First of all, if you want to transit from TJ to TJ, you don't need to pay again. If you want to transit from TB to TB, you don't need to pay again. If you want to transit from TB to TJ, you don't need to pay again. But if you want to transfer from TJ to TB, you have to pay again. That's why Transjogja introduced 1C, which only stops at Adisucipto Airport and Terminal Prambanan. People are already enthusiastic about it. Also, I want to talk about the reach. The far eastern part of Jogja is the terminal of Prambanan. Is reached by corridors 1C and K3J. The north of Sleman is the terminal of Pakem. There are two that split again: TemanBus and TransJogja. K1J (from Kaliurang Street) and 14 (from Raya Tajem Street, to the middle of nowhere). After they meet at UII, it goes to the terminal in Pakem. I don't know how to explain the Godean; it's west of the city and in the area of Sleman. They're not that west; it's just that they're in the weird shape of the south-west of Sleman. And west to the city. Ok, they have corridor 13. It was once held by TemanBus under the name K2J because they realised they weren't making any money from it. And they transform it into 2A (just like 2B, but it's on a different side of the road). And then there's gamping; gamping is passing by Corridors 6A and 6B (like 6A, but it's on a different side of the road, but it's on the loop route), and the last one is 10. Gamping, which once again is like a weird shape, It's in the west of the city, but it's in the southwest of Sleman. And all routes that connect to Gamping and Godean are met at the most important terminal, the terminal in Ngabean. It's not in the middle of the city; it's just near the Kraton Palace, and, surprising enough, there are really many people waiting in there. And then the last one is the Terimal of Palpabang, which passes by Corridor 15. It's from the terminal in Palpabang, then to Ngabean, and then to Malioboro. And then Ngabean again, then just back to the terminal in Palpabang. Also, I want to know how many people really use public transportation. The daily average number of people who use TransJogja is 14,000. Which is a lot, but not compared with the population. So that's why there are so many bus stops that have no guard on them, as we call them "portabel." Sometimes it's like a normal bus stop with no guard on it, to just a fricking staircase. I'm a 100% Someday someone just stole it. I think that's all, but I really want to talk about other things, but maybe on another day? Anyway, Cya, I'm sorry for my broken English. I'm practicing it, as you've seen it rn.
You forgot to mention they made several high deck stops along the Tangerang part of T11 route, but were never used, and now lodekisasi guarantees that they'll stay that way 😂
Dulu sebelum pandemi sudah oke, sekarang ampun diperparah bus jr connection royal platinum, T12 sampai sekarang belum balik normal
I work near SMS Gading Serpong, and having direct access to regular TJ services would be nice. Unfortunately, in this so-called ‘elite’ area, TJ only provides the Royal Trans service, which is quite limiting. Perhaps, if the powers that be in Gading Serpong could recognize that many working-class individuals are employed within their vicinity, they might consider establishing a decent city bus line that serves the commercial areas. I’m not asking for anything extravagant-something akin to the Trans Kota Tangerang bus system would be more than welcome. Currently, my only option for commuting is the old angkot route, which isn’t very reliable, especially when my workday often extends until 20:30. I’m unsure whether the angkot operates during those late hours, so I often resort to using Gojek services, which significantly eats into my salary. Hopefully, the Teman Bus network will expand to this area soon
And as a resident, if I want to go to Jakarta, I either have to wake early in the morning to catch the JRC or Royaltrans buses OR take a rather expensive gojek to Serpong Raya or Cisauk
I wish TJ made idk S15: Intermoda BSD - Jelambar, sort of like S11 but goes inside Gading Serpong
Does the operator cosidered to get tracking back in order again?.. because the assurance that a bus is coming, and optimizing daily commuting is a big incentive for daily users.
I switched back to driving my own more often now.
I hope the operator realize this.
Nice video.
Also, S22 on peak hour is not that long. I use S22 regularly for a while now, as the road project in ANTAM Jagakara would add 20ish minutes to 7A. Never wait more than 15 minutes in the afternoon peak hour.
Thank you!
Aslo that explains the massive traffic jam I saw from the highway, despite the fact I rode it on Sunday.
I think most Transjabodetabek lines have better headways at rush hour, the problem is that once that is over, the frequencies go down a cliff, except maybe the S21 and D21.
Another solution for BRT is to convert it to high floor Tram, knowing the amount of people using BRT is definitely time to convert it. Also it will solve the problem of driver using BRT line while they not supposed to
There aren't that many cases of BRT being converted to trams, I think the problem there is that trams (which are just small trains) can't handle tight turns and steep slopes all that well. Like, parts of corridor 6 is like a rollercoaster.
@@shindoridearen't there trams with articulated Jacobs bogies or individually swerving wheels which can deal with those curves? But they're also pricier 🫠
And more complicated, imagine if INKA tried to make that.
@@shindoride could be one reason why metrocapsule isn't as gadgetbahn as it seems, though nationalism aside, i might prefer the urbanaut
@@shindoride just don't talk about Inka 😅 they need to make sure their EMU and DMU didn't consistently broken down first before attempting to build ART, also ART for me just rebranded BRT that look like tram.
T12 customer here,
I'm glad, when Transjakarta decided to retreive T12 (Poris Plawad - Juanda) route. i'm no longer wait for T11 (Poris Plawad - Bundaran Senayan before. now is Poris Plawad - Pertamburan). because the bus availability and the route. even T12 available on 05:00 to 06:00, and 18:00 to 19:00. i find it's okay.
now, they decided to change the operational time to Everyday and the same operational time as T11. but the bus now is low-deck. i think its fine because my destination is Poris Plawad. even i need to pay twice for my final destination (Harmoni)
Transjakarta got a big score from me.
How long it takes from Tangerang to Juanda in rush hour?
@@Winastwan maybe 1 to 1.5 Hr, depending on the traffic jam at toll.
but, when exit the toll or before entering the toll. it took about only 15 minutes, (but usually juanda to toll in rush hour takes 40 minutes because T12 passes through the tomang highway)
Edit : T11 and T12 has different route. T11 go to Karawaci. and T12 go to Kebon Nanas
Oh yeah Tomang is a nightmare, I experienced that myself when using the S13
@@shindoride true, thats why i always wait until the rush hour end. around 8 or 8.30 PM, sometimes i wait at cafe nearby juanda XD
i had to go to BSD a few times and tried the S11 route before they went NBRT (stopped in Alsut tho), it was only a 15 minutes wait but the queue was so long. havent ride it since but i cant even imagine how bad it would be waiting in line for 15 minutes without shelter or seats. that and the uncertainty r reasons why i used the train to go back to jkt, despite the nearest station being like 9km away (the train was also bad but at least theres a station lol)
the amount of seat was bad too considering its long distance, but i heard its better now with the new bus? hope so because i do NOT want to stand up for an hour with stomach ache again!
Do you travel at rush hour or outside of it?
I once waited slightly over 30 minutes for the S11. But then again I tend to travel outside of peak hours.
But yes the new buses are nice, never had to stand up again since the fleet change.
@@shindoride i think outside? ive only used it twice, one at around 11am and the other at 1. though it might have just been me being lucky because when i arrived in halte jelambar, the line was already pretty long (indicating that it has been some times since the last bus arrived?)
Transjakarta definitely need to make new shelter for non BRT Service, Low floor Metro Bus technically have better flow of passenger, in fact if they want to they can renovate all BRT shelter to be low floor bus friendly but i doubt that because the cost will be huge. Not to mention it will definitely disturbed operations, and knowing how many people using BRT, i don't think they can change BRT shelter to low floor compatible anytime soon.
Yep, plus the low floor buses (except some of the new electric buses) have the doors only on the left.
0:44 jadi ingat dengan kata pak akhok soal orang yang kritik jakarta beli bus kebanyakan 😂. Karena semua anggaran 2014 digunakan untuk beli bus baru. Gak jelas kebutuhan ya berapa. Gak ada studi landasannya
Jawaban pak ahok : gak perlu studi gak jelas kelamaan. Kalau bus berangkat tapi masih ada orang yang tertingal di terminal bus . Artinya bus kau kurang .
S21 is my daily driver if i want to travel to Jakarta since it's near my aunty house.
i was worried back then i heard rumor about S21 being closed due to pandemic turns out it's only temporary.
Overall the bus service is good enough the only downside are the crowded traffic around Ciputat and Lebak Bulus.
Yep in terms of frequency and not using metrotrans buses (yet), the S21 is great.
Buses are also stuck in Pondok Indah on weekends though.
Baru aja beberapa hari lalu kejadian, nunggu di halte Harmoni bus ke arah BLOK M lama banget datengnya. Gak ngitung waktu pastinya, tapi sekitar setengah jam ada kali.
Buset, padahal itu Koridor 1, bukan Non BRT/Transjabodetabek
@@shindoride Koridor 12 itu parah juga, dari dulu malah
Last time i was this early, P.21 still oleng with kaval brigades
nice contents bruv! never thought i'd found a great channel covering our public transport system in Jakarta.
Do you have a group to discuss this kind of topic? i would be glad if theres one
Thank you! I don't have a "Shindo Ride" discord group yet though. If you want to discuss further, you can just contact me in discord.
username: .ikanbuntal
I'm also active in RM Transit's discord group
Another place is skyscrapercity forums
Gw pernah nunggu T11 di Cyberpark 2 jam... itu pun belum dateng. Terpaksa naik taksi.
Have you tried JR Connexion services?
Yes, I'm a semi-regular user of DAMRI's SDC-MRT Lebak Bulus line.
Il review that in part 2 along with some Royaltrans and the rest of the Regular services that I haven't reviewed.
@@shindorideIs the airport connection to/from SDC still available?
@@camejuanm No
One of the worst ones got to be the tanjung priuk - PGC
Wait which one? The only line i'm aware of that goes in that route in Corridor 10 which is a BRT line.
U Said There's Gonna Be A
"Jakarta Mall Tier List" Video
Yes, I can't make that yet since there's some large malls I haven't been too.
Plus I need to prioritize the Rangkasbitung Line video so I'll make it after that.
Lack of trains? Dude here in where I live the closest train station is in the other side of the city and we only have like 4 active lines (Philippines)
Lack of trains because the city is severely unwalkable + the current train network is way too overburdened. We need more circumferential train routes in Jakarta
Yes, also because Jakarta's just too big, lots of areas with no rail access.
How many km from the nearest station?
@@shindoride Around 6
@@themazespinner2610 I live 10 km away from the nearest station, despite the fact that Jakarta has 10 different rail lines.
wait, BSD has bus tracking? What app is that???
Onesmile
@@shindorideThank you!
we. need. bus. tracking. enough is enough!
i waited like 40 minutes for 1R at Tanah Abang 2
That reminds me of a time I waited 35 minutes for the 12P
@@shindoride truly a moment to evaluate what have you done all this time
gimme gimme BSD Link tracking wheree
Use the Onesmile app, it's a bit laggy though, I tried it once from AEON mall and it works. Provides both estimated arrival times and bus location.