Trains Might Replace These Buses… But Should They?
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Toronto is doing a massive upgrade project for its regional rail system, but with these works going on, do we still need the GO buses that are often seen as just rail replacement buses? The answer is a big YES, and let's talk about why.
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Instead of widening the 400-series of highways, we need to add more bus only lanes. Preferably on the right shoulder, so the buses don't have to fight through single-occupant vehicle traffic to reach the left shoulder.
Couldn't agree more
@@crowmob-yo6ry If you're gonna create a bus only lane why not make it light rail?
More bus lanes are absolutely needed and they could be created very quickly by converting general purpose lanes
@@ani2595 Light rail is not very successful when located in a highway. Not only is it deprived of its ridershipshed, its passengers are also subjected to all the noise from the highway while waiting on the platform and when the doors open at the other platforms.
@@ani2595different purposes
24 hour GO bus service would be great.
"Last call" is 2am, but the last GO Bus to leave Union is at roughly 1am. Meaning I always had to leave my friends early if I wanted to catch the last GO bus/ train to Oakville, or risk having to sleep in a downtown, Tim Horton's until 5:30am.
When you do catch the last GO bus out of Union, the bus terminal is very crowded. Cause everyone knows it's the last one out of Union for the next 4-5 hours.
the last lakeshore west bus from union is at 2:30am but first stop is port credit GO
@@olpporsetty
Ah okay. I used to meet up with my friends in Toronto back in the early 2010's. I don't think there was a 2:30am LSW bus back then. Pretty sure the last one was 1:00am or 1:30am.
Tim Horton's? You could always stay at the bank machine!
But what you describe is similar to outer suburbs in Europe. Only few cities have true 24 hours train services, usually because they connect up with Airports in the outer suburbs.
So some poor driver has to do night shift because you wanna hang out past midnight....
Even if the buses get replaced, there’s no need to sell em yet, they’ll likely be needed in case the line has to shut down and Bus shuttles need to temporarily replace trains
and/or if you've already got the busses (and drivers!), now surplus to requirements on the original route, why not use them to provide additional routes and services?
@@laurencefraser Yep, and enhanced frequncies.
There are so many good reasons to keep the buses around
@@jsrodmansell to who? They are literally busses on their last legs. They break down often. That's why Toronto got them on the cheap. They are actually hand-me downs from Vancouver. See Victoria used them up, then those got transferred to Vancouver CBD, then transferred to Surrey. Then when we got newer busses, they got sold to Toronto 😅
Go Buses are also important for the Kitchener/Hamilton/Niagara area. Which I still think Go should serve more, there’s about two million people there already and it’s set to grow a lot.
I live on the American side, I will drive on the QEW and take the GO train from Burlington to see my friends in the city here and there. Needless to say, leaving past midnight to go back home usually does not work in my favor as the travel times are too long.
Yes, Kitchener and Hamilton need better connectivity via bus.
Hamilton and Niagara especially need better train connections. Stations in Grimsby and Stoney Creek, maybe fix the tracks in Hamilton so the train doesn't have to spend 40 minutes crawling through? Or back out of West Harbour? The last one really confuses me as to why they can't just extend the track a bit to reconnect it.
@@jiecut Honestly, ever 30 years we get a renovated or new GO train station and no trains. Maybe one day I can take the Hamilton LRT to Blockbuster video like in the drawings?
This. Waterloo region and Hamilton are literally beside each other but transit service between the 2 cities is terrible. A half hour drive becomes a 2+ hour trip because you have to go out of your way towards Toronto to get there. Ridiculous.
Very exciting to see Go Expansion not only bringing frequency and speed improvements for rail but also unlocking new routes for buses and augmenting services in innovative ways.
Absolutely, and keeping the buses as the high quality regional service they are today brings riders so much value
I think a great example of why better rail does not make busses obsolete is the case of the 16 GO bus from Hamilton to Toronto. After frequent (by Ontario standards) train service was extended to West Harbour, the government wanted to ditch the route since they run mostly parallel to one another, but the locals fought tooth and nail to keep the service going and it's still here today thanks to them. I think it goes to show just how powerful busses can be even though we tend to overlook them a lot!
Lakeshore east bus is literally 10% faster than the lakeshore east train. GO Trains have not yet replaced busses
I guess it depends on time of day
@@bhadbhrisIt really shouldn't though. The go train goes in a straight line, with a flatter elevation, and no traffic. It should ALWAYS be faster, otherwise, people who value their time will be more incentivized to take the bus, or to drive instead.
kind of like how the Amtrak cascades train between Seattle and Vancouver is slower than the Amtrak bus between the two
@@FinaISpartan
That tells me the issue is acceleration and braking time. The solution is to retire their F59PHs, MP40PHs and MP54ACs and either buy some Siemens Chargers or commission some DMUs from Nippon Sharyo. Seriously, why do rail companies insist on continuing to do business with MPI? I mean, I get why US companies do that, it's because of the stupid "Buy America" act, but GO is Canadian.
I wouldn't suggest buying trains from a company that has left the NA market and who's last train we purchased has had so many issues@@VestedUTuber
Thank you from Roger Sexton for a superb video! Although most of your details are specific to Toronto, the general thrust of your argument 'Good bus services working in tandem with good train services' is applicable worldwide. Unfortunately, here in Britain, except in London and Manchester, Bus Deregulation makes it impossible to integrate train and bus services. British politicians do not need to go to Korea to see how public transport should be organised. They should go to almost any of our European Neighbours, eg Netherlands, Switzerland or Norway.
I think Korea is a nice example, sometimes people forget that a lot of countries have excellent PT, not just a few western european nations! A good reminder!
Great job... Another thing will be to connect all the go services like rings. Have an interior ring route, mid region ring route and a outer ring route helping to connect both the regional go bus terminals and go train stations.
Its a good idea, though an outer right will probably need some sections of transitway etc to be time competitive with radial service
Buses have a major advantage is that buses ccan be easy retouted when a route get block.
Yes, I talked about this more in my advantages of buses video
The GO buses can do a lot more than merely replacing rail networks, Toronto really lacks express bus routes especially those that serve as a substitue of TTC. We should have more bus lanes on the highways for GO bus expansion, being forced to use the rotten TTC network is just a nightmare for every commuter.
Do GO Buses Still Have a Place in Toronto?
me: yes when the train doesn't run
When and *where*!
As much as I love trains, intercity and regional buses still have their place. When I lived in the San Francisco area, I would often take the Solano Express Blue line bus to Sacramento to save money on Amtrak tickets, even though the bus was slower and only ran on weekdays. Also, Greyhound and FlixBus have been lifesavers for me whenever intercity trains aren't yet an option to travel between two cities (looking at you, Dallas to Houston!).
Are you looking forward to the Texas Central high speed line there?
Or is it actually going to happen?
@@michaelrmurphy2734 Oh i'm looking forward to it! Hopefully the 2 insane congressmen who hate trains won't be taken seriously.
I think connecting the GTA suburbs it would be a massive win for mobility and would seriously reduce commuter traffic. I really like the idea of dedicated highway bus routes because it's an easy(er) project than a new rail route. One streamlined route connecting Mississauga, Etobicoke, Vaughan, Richmond Hill, Markham, and Scarborough, circumventing the city, would be huge.
On another note, I'd love to hear you talk about why the 35 Jane bus doesn't terminate in the VMC loop and possibly other seemingly minor GTA transit quirks that can make a big difference for mobility. Thanks!
Buses can go where trains that can not go. Also shlulg expand serverice from owsha to kingston amd even ottawa vial brockville and smiths falls
Isn't that what VIA Rail is for?
I never thought too much about GO buses before this video. I agree that lanes should be reserved for buses on 400-series highways. Thanks, Reece.
Because they won’t ever do anything with the RHill line, the buses are needed. The Go Bus runs part of the way on a dedicated lane but it’s not enough as north transit times for example from Union to RHill can be from 1-1.5 hours…. I agree on your advice on Seoul
But Go has just effectively destroyed the Milton GO bus services by changing their inner end from Union Station to the nearest Lakeshore West rail station, doubling their travel times. They started by providing half hourly services to match the Lakeshore West rail services but in a very short period went back to hourly because of poor ridership.
Sad too, as the Toronto area has often been cited as a place where frequent bus service was shown to drive demand over time.
I've never stepped foot in a Metrolinx planning office, but from the outside it seems that their transit vision for the GTA is limited. This should have been done years ago, and they should be discussing new regional rail lines like the midtown and along the 407 corridor. They could make the Richmond Hill line into an express Yonge line and connect it to the Barrie line by running it up Yonge. There doesn't seem to be much creativity from them, it's disappointing.
I was in Ontario a few weeks ago to tour universities, and I tried out the GO Bus to get to Guelph. I was very impressed with GO in general, they weren't running ANY trains during that weekend to Guelph, and the bus was painfully slow (and the WiFi didn't work). I was going to try to get to London on the Kitchener Line as well, but turns out they discontinued service. I also tried to get to Kitchener on the KITCHENER LINE on a Monday and there was no service to be found.
Much prefer Metro Vancouver's transit.
In my final year of uni stoufville had all day service before the current improvements! It was so easy commuting and my friends and I found ourselves dependant on the go train and doing more stuff. Since the improvements and cut in trains it severely impacted our going out! Looking forward to its return to form!
Loving the recent bus positive videos! Buses are awesome workhorses that are sadly overlooked too often, keep up the great work!
Another application for the busses would be to introduce GO services into areas where GO rail may be introduced in the future, for example a GO bus network centered on London serving the area with connection to Kitchener and the major towns in the area. Also begin operations to places like Collingwood, Owen Sound, Goderich and Kincardine.
New GO buses are planned to enter service in 24/25. The initial 100 will be diesel to simplify transition, but beyond that they will be electric or possible hydrogen. The planned design will be power agnostic, so that a diesel bus can be converted to something clean later.
Any consideration for biofuel hybrids? A recent study found out that carbon neutral biofuels combined with hybrid drive systems results in lower lifetime emissions (including emissions from manufacturing) than a straight BEV on Lithium Ion batteries. I'd post a link but TH-cam doesn't like it when I do that.
Have we actually placed an order? Who from?
Hopefully not the same place Edmonton got their electric buses
@@VestedUTuberwell Since they use hand me downs from Vancouver, nope. If Vancouver has old hybrids to sell
The Hurontario LRT may run East to West along the 407 corridor . ( Burlington to Markham )
Great video and valid points. I would also add, as a track maintainer, we need certain work blocks on overnights and to maintain the tracks. Therefore, there’ll always be some need for buses.
Go bus also has done a good job of connecting east to west making it easier to access the east and west of the gta which has helped my usage of public transit l!
Here in Rio, many bus lines follow similar routes to the trains, especially intercity lines. They complement each other.
The service from hamilton-niagara with go trains is so infrequent, the go buses basically carry the area on its back. Would love to see more improvement there so a commute to a station with frequent trains wouldn't be so far for those in the niagara region, as well as more stations as proposed in that beautiful map. Great video!
I am just so jealous of all these cities that are developing their public transit networks. I live in a Midwest metro of 700,000 and the regional transit authority is talking about CUTTING our already tiny bus network. They did the math and it wouldn't even cost that much to expand routes/frequency, let alone maintain what they have.
This city has all the hallmarks of a city that could be great for transit oriented development, with an intact urban core, middle density in-fill, a downtown skywalk network (I know they aren't that great for street economies) and slightly above average bike pathing and bike culture, but it seems as though no one cares about healthy growth. I am not asking for some super expensive rail project, but the city seems to be moving in the opposite direction, building lane expansions on their highways and not cooperating with the suburbs on planning. I don't get it, traffic isn't horrible yet, but if we continue growing it will get really bad really quick. I envy all these urbanist cities, but I could never afford to live in one, why is walkability only for the rich on this continent?
Hey, Reese I really liked the video, you were talking about buses and this reminded me of something. When I have the opportunity to use a bus or train I will usually base my decision on which is more comfortable. And I was wondering if you could make a video talking about why being comfortable is something that is important to attract ridership in transit.
Thanks Reece. Well said. And it had to be said
I’d love to see GO one day consider building spur lines off the core to service smaller locales. Places like Port Perry, Brantford, Angus, etc. that are adjacent to the big population centres but not well or inconveniently accessed by bus or car.
Whenever I see a motorway, I think:
"Huh. If this many people need to go to these places, why not remove a lane and pop in a train?"
This is pretty much what Sound Transit is doing in Seattle. With each new Link extension they are deleting routes that duplicate Link and using those buses to run more service (frequency, span) on other routes and creating new connections.
Draft changes from East Link (Redmond-Bellevue-Seattle):
545 (Redmond-Seattle), currently every 15 minutes, removed
550 (Bellevue-Seattle), currently every 15 minutes, removed
556 (Issaquah-Bellevue-U District), currently peak-only, removed
542 (Redmond-U District), currently every 30 minutes, upgraded to every 15 minutes
554 (Issaquah-Seattle), currently every 20 minutes weekdays and 30 minutes weekends, rerouted to Issaquah-Bellevue (new connection) and upgraded to every 15 minutes
544 (Redmond-South Lake Union), new peak-only route
Draft changes from Lynnwood Link (Lynnwood-Northgate, continues to Seattle):
510 (Everett-Seattle), currently peak-only, removed
512 (Everett-Northgate), currently every 15 minutes, shortened to Everett-Lynnwood and upgraded to every 10 minutes
513 (Seaway TC-Northgate), currently peak-only, shortened to Seaway TC-Lynnwood and added reverse-peak service
522 (Woodinville-Roosevelt), currently every 15 minutes, shortened to Shoreline North and upgraded to BRT a few years later
The Federal Way Link restructure is still WIP and no draft has been released
They could even give them a catchy name, like "Super Loop". Nobody's ever done that before :D
I think EUCs for everyone are a way better last mile solution.
Half the size of a suitcase and up to half the range of a default tesla.
If you can carry your suitcase on a train you can carry an EUC.
You just ride it seated or even standing for those people who get pain from sitting like me. Has full suspension for a smooth ride. It can be ridden very slowly for the drastic safety benefits of reduction of speed as we all know. And is hard to learn as your first time learning a bike.
Just a better last mile solution than busses imo since you get to cut out the use of human time driving. And if you wanted to give people the flexibility of desitnation an EUC would give them the cost to run that many busses and roads would be extreme. Its just more benefits and the costs are very low once mass produced.
I think it would be cool to see trains running in the median of highways
Washington DC Metro does that out to Dulles Airport in Virginia.
Train and buses complement each other. In the GO system, both are needed. However, there should be a plan in place to electrifying both.
407 and 403 buses move fast ; 401 GO Bus however needs some way to avoid traffic
My friend and I were just talking about how Salt Lake City could use more dedicated bus lanes and services in areas where light rail is currently impractical. A BRT line on the east bench connecting from Salt Lake and the University down along Foothill and Wasatch would be amazing
Not really disagreeing, but curious if it's really the need for BRT or just the need for frequent service. I haven't been to Salt Lake for a long time (relatives moved), but i biked along that stretch a lot years ago and never saw much trafffic.
That's not really an argument for not building a BRT but more a question of maybe frequent service should be deployed right now?
Bus service on bus lanes is so great. We shouldn't forget that bus lanes makes it also easier for the ambulance to go through the traffic.
407 ETR bus to airport is great. Much faster for anyone in the suburbs to get ot the airport
those 2 floor go busses are quite literally the best system if you’re in a convenient spot
They are very comfy
Go bus is extremely important for Hamilton. In fact people getting in and out of here are equally divided on buses and trains, thanks to the non-stop bus route.
I live in St Catharines, and I'd absolutely love proper GO rail here, however I'm about a 7 minute bike ride to the Fairview Mall so I would likely still prefer taking the bus just because it's closer to home.
Those are pretty large double decker buses that you have there. 👍
What about RDC’s? They can also be used during less than peak times to get ridership more interested!
Best "clickbait" ever to get me to watch the whole video: "There is going to be an epic MAP!"
I mean, if you have busses, you can expand service into areas without them once the train takes over for what the busses used to do.
They 'expanded' bus service to Toronto from Kitchener but didn't add extra buses so the bus is completely full after leaving Waterloo University. They basically took a line that was already under supplied and added more stops without increasing the number of buses (which were already runnibg at 100%+ capacity. Honestly, we had better service options 35 years ago in regards to trains and buses. Everything is pretty much designed now to 'force' people to buy cars. Ironically we had better options *before* the urbanization of the country but we all bought into the auto industry propaganda that we could, 'work in the city but have a house in the country' (plus the massive subsidies to pay for highway infrastructure while gutting the subsidies for the other options
Totally agree, but the UP Express really ought to expand service by at least an hour at night, two hours later would be incredible
Love the map. I have been advocating for a loop system because it make no sense for everybody to go to Union to go somewhere else. As a cyclist I need to be out but away from rush hour commuters banning me from Union Station in the early morning and late afternoon.
I'd just like to say those bus stops are absolutely world class. Hats off to Toronto.
Traveling from Amsterdam to Brussels by bus (FlixBus): ~9 EUR, 2h45 trip .... Traveling by train (InterCity, not even high speed) same trip, same time, 30, LESS comfort, but up to 90 EUR!!! I really wish someone shed some light over why is so BAD :(
Comfort is the answer. The same reason people will spent $1200 on a business class ticket for a 3-4 hour flight, when you can fly on a budget carrier for $200. That is an extreme example, but the same logic applies. A lot of people value comfort over price. Being able to stand up, walk around, get a snack, etc. is totally worth it for a 3 hour trip for only €30.
@@cotboy as I said, the trip is the SAME. And the bus stations are literally next to the corresponding train stations. The train is not the comfort option in this case, it's just expensive.
Reece, sometime ago, I recall hearing something about GO putting together a significant GO bus high frequency network, similar to the trains.
I don't know the extent of its progress, but this would transform GO even further.
Using to extend the reach of Go would also be better. Especially after the sad attempt of adding go train to London. (Only one train each direction every day. Couldn’t pay with presto or London transit pass, you had to book online) it was set up to fail.
I am of the mind if the equipment is still working may as well use it to increase the resolution and reach of the transit system.
it still is a mostly soughern Ontario affar around GTHA. we dont have any GO services to northern Ontario cities. i would love to see some longer distance routes to say simcoe, thunder bay, ottawa and other regions in Ontario.
Considering how busy buses can be along the 407, I have wondered how beneficial limited train service along the Halton subdivision would be (it runs through Brampton and right by the hwy 407 subway station in Vaughan), with possibly the OBRY to connect it with south west Brampton/North west Mississauga.
Loops dont work in public trans . Sure London has one . Gotta think at least balloon line to keep wheels flanges relatively equal .. But passenger volume is badly unequal .
One thing to be careful of is the branding for the Regional Express busses- otherwise GO Regional Express becomes GORE
@MercenaryPen nice profile picture! Did you draw it?
I would prioritise the connections where rail is absent or at least not a viable option, like between Kitchener and Waterloo, or South York, I'm far less convinced about lines such as the bus 18* corridor, parallel to Lakeshore West, outside of perhaps night time service (and I'd probably market it as the Lakeshore West service, without a line number, to emulate the train service.) I'd also like to see more service to local Go Transit stations, a fishbone structure where bus lines feed into the rail network. But I do agree that you need more, not less, buses.
I would absolutely love more and more frequent trains on the Niagara end of the Lakeshore West line ! The 12 bus is packed every time I take it and there's so much more traffic building up on the QEW past Hamilton.
Trains would be first choice butbmore frequent 12 service would be a good start.
My 2 cents. We need proper dedicated train lines connect to major hubs like Toronto to Barrie>Sudbury, Toronto to Kingston> Ottawa, Toronto to London>Windsor, Toronto to Hamilton and.niagara region. That's where go buses should pickup passengers and run more local or less used line like London to Sarnia. ST Catharines to Welland, Barrie to Orillia and Wasaga, Collingwood.
The buses would be great with connecting the smaller towns that are near the trains but not on them and time them with all trains like if a train is delayed then keep the bus to wait
Go Buses should improve the frequency and provide express service inside the GTA, especially in Toronto. The express route of TTC is a fake express route. Given the fare integration in GTA, Go Buses has the potential to perform better in coordinating with local transit.
There are no trains connecting the Golden Horseshoe suburbs, and it would be very expensive to achieve that with a new train line. Go Bus will be key for suburb to suburb commuting. Also, Ontario could strike a deal with NY state for hourly buses to Buffalo ?
I like GO Buses because it has a better environment and is more comfortable. GO Trains don't have enough leg room if someone sits in front of you face-to-face, and you cannot make seats incline.
How about calling it GO Rex. You could even market it with a fast dog. Perhaps a greyhound…
Hudson would get jealous.
I have a question that’s hopefully not too off-topic. Can you do a video about how regional transit systems are funded and managed?
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. We have BART, Caltrain, AC Transit, Samtrans, the VTA in Santa Clara County (San Jose, for those looking for the way) , SMART, the Sonoma-Marin Area Rapid Transit, Golden Gate Transit, which is operated by the Golden Gate Bridge District… and so on.
When I left Los Angeles in 1987, buses operated by the SCRTD (Southern California Rapid Transit District), OCRTD (Orange County RTD), along with municipality operated buses from Long Beach, Santa Monica and Culver City, were the sum total of public transit in the greater Los Angeles and Orange County area.
Fun fact interlude: George Takei , known famously as the helmsman Lt. Sulu on the starship USS Enterprise, served on the SCRTD Board of Directors from 1973 to 1984. In 1978, he was elected to serve as the Vice-President of the board. It was during that time that George was called away from the set the of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture,” to cast the deciding vote for the creation of Metro Rail, LA’s first heavy rail transit system. Although he was replaced on the board in 1984, he remains a huge advocate of public transportation systems. The SCRTD eventually evolved into what is now known as the MTA.
So here’s my question. How did the totally car-centric LA metropolitan area, get a regional transit system, that while not perfect, seems to work reasonably well and is still growing, while about 600 kilometers to the north, in the same state, the transit systems are still made up of fiefdoms with their own boards, fighting for their share of new taxes and government subsidies?
Thanks in advance.
Why not stretch out the web to increase where busses go. As a person living rural who medically can’t drive. I’m sure there are more, but Lindsay has a large number of people who work in Oshawa. For these workers they have to drive hwy35/115 interchange to get a bus. Once driving most people will not stop and get on a bus. I’m sure there are more examples, these would get more cars off the road.
It will grow if you let it. Sydney in Australia has better night services because the politicians were convinced improved services would work better. Customers sometimes are a bit slower to adopt when further from the city centre but are learning.
You sound almost exactly like Doug DeMuro.
They need buses for the areas that still don't have all day/all week service and the *should* have buses to connect *between* the rail lines as the system is *still* just designed to get people to Toronto. There are no intercity connections in this province now that greyhound is gone.
One set of doors on long double decker buses must have horrible dwell times...
We need better suburb to suburb connectivity. Going from markham to oakville for example is impossible
If the GO bus had a washroom, it makes sense to keep for off-hour service
If Ontario Northland and GO Transit keep expanding they could end up overlapping and merging into a new agency called No-GO.
The GO Buses serve a different niche than the trains, especially those that go along the 407 corridor (bus 40 my beloved)
Do these express bus services funnel passengers onto the train corridors outside the city centre?
You should fix Aix-la-Chapelle in Germany. It’s a complete mess
Say what you will about metrolinx and the Go system but i personally love this system ( still needs upgrades off course).
Use the buses to expand service to new routes that aren't served by trains.
Is good to use bus back to Stouville and Markham area
Would there ever be a solution to improve all day service on RHill line?
This is my suggestion open.substack.com/pub/reecemartin/p/a-transit-proposal-for-toronto-the?r=1eh3ax&
When Go Transit will start electrification works?
2000 SEATS on a 12 car go train . If it is not full including plus deadhead moves we gotta recalculate the over all effiencey . Busses subsidie truck technoagy to boot . Not a god schene .
all for sending our leaders to soeul. i loved it there and coming back to toronto was such a letdown
Recently Malaysia has announced their new "Light Rapid Transit" trams that doesnt run on rails but painted lines on roads, it's an autonomous vehicle and its damn slow in my opinion. Not sure how successful will ridership levels be...
When it comes to public transit, southern Ontario just needs more. More trains. More buses. More frequency. More dedicated lanes. More service within each municipality. More service between municipalities without having to go through Toronto. More service to and from Toronto.
We are so far behind, it's all going to help. And as far as cost goes, if it'll let me get rid of my car, I don't care if the property tax eats up my auto insurance. It's still a win.
my main argument for go buses is that hourly train service to Hamilton Go is not happening and you are not taking the route 16 away from me
excellent overview RM why can't Toronto be like the NJ Transit system where both Buses and electric commuter rail exists. Let's take Princeton to New York City via New Brunswick you have both NJ Transit Coach USA 100 bus and Princeton Dinky to Princeton Junction and then NEC line from there to NY Penn. In the case of New Brunswick NJ Bus or NJ Transit trains. Same with Summit NJ Morris and Essex lines or 70 bus to 108 bus direct Lakeland 78 bus.
isn't that what we currently have with GO buses and trains
@TheTroyc1982 correct however in the case of NJ Transit they still retained parallel bus routes to the train lines unlike Toronto which is trying to phase them out.
Even Vancouver still has parallel bus routes going still
what could the GO system look like in the greater horseshoe area over the next 50ish years? Right now places like Cambridge, Brantford, Niagara and further west have nothing. I try to use go when I can but the kitchener weekend schedule makes it hard to get to toronto and the fact the it's a hub and spoke of the city means it can't take me the the aforementioned south or west locations, or go to barrie without going through toronto. Being outside of the gta, none toronto centric go upgrades are top priority for the long term.
Seoul is one of the largest cities in the world with a population of forty million people.
Sixty percent of the population of South Korea lives there. Canada has a population of just under forty million (500,000 more to go!) in the largest country in the so-called "free world"!
Anyone know when the confederation GO (and other stations beyond West Harbour) are expected to go into service? I frequently take the bus from there, and the shelters don't even have glass yet.
2025 seems to be the date for parking and amenities to be completed.
So why run buses instead of trains at night? I get that you need to perform maintenance on the track from time to time. But that can't be so much that it would be completely impossible to run trains, right?
I would think that the biggest barrier would be staffing. But a train doesn't really need more personal than a bus. So why?
You forgot Laurier university lol
Turists just want beer and Maple syrup
I just wish GO Bus services aren't so convoluted. Why tf does the Kitchener Line and Milton Line GO buses have so many damn branches?????
Transit!!