Maybe because the reason is because they simply died The kokiri forest was made into a monster den practically the kokiri wanted their land back but because the hero of time took the sword they had nothing
Honestly I’ve always wanted a twilight princess sequel with link being older than we’ve ever played him as maybe 20s-30s with him looking for a way back to midna maybe in distant lands. It could even be darker than the original. Doesn’t have to be but would be cool.
I want a zelda taking place in a modern society. And have the forest and planes separate the city from old hyrule castle. A desert leading to an ocean with runes hidden in the desert. Link will be a teen who likes to explore and zelda with be the adopted daughter of the great leader Ganon. Old magic will be hidden in the forest with what's left of the Shieka and koroks. The fish people live in the ocean and birb people live in the runes of floating islands. Monsters are everywhere except the city's and towns because reasons. The goddesses have been forgotten and the triforce has been lost to time. I am half asleep and forgot the names of some of the races of hyrule.
That forest looks so mysterious, I wish Ordon village hadn’t changed the original game, honestly it looks way more mystical and special. Those trailers and the beta horseback battle with OoT’s Link voice always gives me a very cool feeling of awe
It was the first Zelda game with ''realistic graphic'' at that time and i remember how amazing it was. I got this game for christmas 2006 for my Gamecube . Remember , during that time we never had a Zelda game with these type of graphics before . It was a dream comes true , I was not controlling a character , i was Link. The trees , the sunlight ,everything feel so real. I know how dumb it may sound but back in the days for us it was a huge deal. I still missed the realistic look of Twilight princess for the Zelda series. I don't hate cel-shading but i personally think it completely breaks the immersion. Faron and Ordonna are my favorite provinces in TP .
I agree. I wish we had a Zelda with graphics a bit more like Shadow of Colossus. It'd be awesome. And I think they should've kept that forest in the game, it looks like a nice place to explore! The game's forest is just so small...
Honestly theres only 2 games that have kept me up all day all night and pretty much all day again straight right after buying it and 1st was TP and 2nd was RDR2 i guess you can say 3 because i was a big MapleStory fan but mainly talking about consoles here. I still remember everything pre ordering TP getting it at the GS at the mall and just laying in bed with all the lights off at 3am playing it i was only around 10 at the time but just that feeling i miss it, it was like nothing else in the world mattered it was just me, my GC and TP
I remember being so excited looking at those beta forest photos. I even printed them out and used them as my birthday invitations and had a zelda tp birthday.
When I first saw the screen shots and first trailer of twilight princess, I thought it was a grown up link from majoras mask after he returned from his adventures.
great video Jesse, lots of screenshots and clips I've never seen, thanks for putting together so much information about the early days of Twilight Princess, its truly facinating, looking at these alternate versions of Zelda games always leaves me with such a strange feeling, it's quite sad thinking about how different it could have been, all the cut content, unused enemies mechanics, scenes etc. But Im also sure they did the best they could, and most likely we got the better game in the end. But who knows? haha, thats the part that will always haunt me, we'll never know.
Add purple poisoned fog to the open forest footage and we almost have a portion of the actual game. Also, start with your horse and lantern on at night at the ranch and quietly go to the Temple of Time by looking at the scenery with all the camera angles (first person included) and you have a dreamy ballad even more magical that what this early footage shows.
This game I followed religiously in the magazines before it even got a name. I have an Electronic Gaming Magazine from the early 2000s with a screenshot of a sasquatch like creature in the forest. I can't remember if that made it into the game but I've never seen it covered. Edit: I see the screenshot in the video. Left this comment early.
I’ve always wondered why the warp songs aren’t in the order the game wants you to get them. The normal ocarina songs are as they go: Zelda’s Lullaby, Epona’s Song, Saria’s Song, Sun’s Song, Song of Time and then lastly, Song of Storms. However warp songs go like this : Forest, Fire, Water, Spirit, Shadow and then lastly, Light. If the order you actually get them in (if you follow Nintendo’s intended path) is light, forest, fire, water, shadow and then lastly, spirit, then why are they ordered differently in the menu when the others are ordered on when they want you to get them? Is this another case of them completely restructuring the game last minute and they wanted you to get them in the displayed order rather than the learnt order?
I was hoping in Twilight Princess HD we were going to get beta content like Wind Waker HD. Sadly, it ended up being just a higher res remaster with it's only new features being the Cave of Ordeals and Hard Mode mirror mode. Twilight Princess deserved a sequel and hopefully one day we may get one after the Sequel to BOTW.
The fact that they cut something just because they thought people like the demo is a big shame because I think most people would have preferred the bigger open and denser Forest... I'm honestly kind of butt hurt now ...
Personally I think they should take all this unused content from time constraints and not enough for the tech at the time to pull off and put it into a remake. Not all this remaster/re-port BS they've been doing. But that's just my opinion.
From what I understand, they already do this with each subsequent 3D Zelda release. Apparently, some of Wind Waker had a couple of dungeons cut from the final product, but they were unable to graft them back in for WWHD since the assets/puzzles/room layouts were already repurposed for later Zelda games. My guess is that they don't let a lot of good ideas go to waste; they might just have to be tabled for years at a time.
I feel like this context makes the trailers for TP make so much more sense. Always wondered why they changed so much and why certain features seemed removed from the village area. I like that it became it's own story rather than a direct sequel to OoT, tho I'd still love to see that in the future. Definetly feel like it would of been great to have seen more open forest areas, but something tells me there were limitations at that time to include it all in the final
theres a animation of a dog inside the canoe which wouldve taken place in ordon village, but the only place the dog is found in is in hyrule castle town and the canoe is in zora river.
dream _Zelda_ 35th celebration: remakes of _Ocarina of Time_ and _Majora’s Mask_ in a style somewhere between _Twilight Princess_ and the N64 games, with added side-quests and vamped-up dungeons, and then a new _third_ game in the Hero of Timeline saga…
I don't know, maybe it's from all my replays of this game but I couldn't imagine Twilight Princess without Ordon Village. I think Kokiri Forest could have been neat as a way of world building from OoT but having a farm town of ordinary people for Link to grow up in and get attached to speaks to me more.
While I think ordon might’ve not been an original idea an we could’ve got the kokiri forest. I personally think it doesn’t make sense for the kokiri forest to be located where ordon is. I think if the forest temple is the deku tree that the kokiris forest would be the area right before the path leading up to the temple and would further line up with the lost woods being off to the left there. I think ordon even though not an idea yet would’ve always been located outside of hyrule just to the south of kokiri forest even in ocarina of time.
It would contradict the timeline. Wind Waker happens in the adult timeline where because Link is sent back to his childhood there is no hero and the gods are forced to flood Hyrule
@@clouds-rb9xt which is why I said this Link would fall into obscurity so that legend wouldn't remember him. I'm talking about someone not the hero of time
@@clouds-rb9xt yeah that's where my head is at with this. I know it's a stretch because like you said the writing has to be done carefully not to contradict anything. When Twilight Princess footage was first released, I actually thought we were getting a pre-flood Hyrule
Thanks for the interesting video o.O Twilight Princess is my all-time favourite game ^o^ However, could you link where you got those interviews from? Even though I think you probably showed us the most interesting things in those interviews, I would really like to read through them myself since I'm really kinda obsessed with Twilight Princess ^^'
@@xwarxdogx6664 I'm almost done with ac origins. I have the pokemon games coming out on Friday. And I'm thinking for finishing guardians of the galaxy. But I did buy it to play it so it's only a matter of time.
Man I hope twilight princess and wind waker come to switch !!!!!!!! Would’ve liked both villages but if I had to pick one… would’ve preferred it’s as a sequel to ocarina of time
I think this game got a little too good. Like despite loving zelda games, a few of the zelda principles were holding this game back more than helping it. But where the devs did get creative.. this game was amazing. It's cool that it broke away from wind waker to create a true legend.. but boy a wind waker 2 would have been the best.
True and they were great sequels, genuinely incredible games.. I shouldn't overlook them.. *a 3D wind waker sequel is what would really make everyone go crazy. EspEcially now, I couldn't imagine the reactions. But yeah if nintendo was smart they'd at least port those two ds games first, the wii u pulled it off and they are super tight.
@GooberMealSundays I'm more or less in agreement; I'm curious, though, what were some of the features where the devs got creative? Any particular examples? Just interested in your perspective.
@@BoojieD well wolf link in particular was new and different. Midna as a character was still one of the most original characters we've seen in the series. I think the beginning of the game, and the middle of the game, really tried to create a story with their dungeons and the stuff you had to do.. there were amazing sequences of- explore dungeon, explore over world. That was something that made the original 1987(?) game so fun. This game had those moments where wolf link had to use his sniffer and swap back to interact with characters which was cool too. Funny enough the beginning of the game is great as well, I think because of how it averted expectations and really established a comfort (if not boring) zone to create immersion. This applies to kakariko and hyrule castle town even better, at that point you're in game. Being stuck in twilight as wolf link is still fun too, it's shocking and disorientating and still requires exploring and thinking. And can't forget about the dungeon where you have to go back in time and control those statues to get the master sword, that was great. The game doesn't references it's predecessors as well as wind waker, but it does do them justice. But remember that crazy cutscene with the girl who lost her memory? What did that mean!? Well unfortunately, I think the ending fell flat. They're were two really cool dungeons back to back, each with super cool original gimmicks (the hand enemies in twilight were sure spooky) but then the game was ending.. and it tried to incorporate zelda and gannon in some really odd and silly ways. Like energy tennis... again? By 30 hours in, I had honestly forgot about them and wanted something more. Maybe they got caught up in making it such a legend that it lost its realism. Another problem was that there came a point where link being silent no longer fit with the rest of the environment, but I guess that kind of change was considered too risky. At the end it felt like they wanted him to speak. The final dungeon as an ending in hyrule castle was probably due to time constraints though. I mean those characters helping didn't amount to anything, I remember backtracking to speak with them only to find they were only generated for the cutscene. The last dungeon was okay, the few puzzles and combat made it still memorable. For some reason it had been a while since we had seen multiple items needing to be used in the final part of the game, and whipping out old tools brought me back in time to reflect before beating the game, which was smart. And getting all the heart pieces has never been easier. I also still appreciate the good graphics on old characters, we just deserved another reason to hear m's lament.
Oh my gosh and the combat really stepped up a few notches, another reason to explore. The boss designs were super fun, I loved the way they sometimes had a difficult to understand weakness that was well communicated discretely (I think of the fire temple first). But this doesn't include ganon and the variations of him in the fights at the end, for the reasons above. Horse riding will always be super cool though, what a marvel.
Your evidence is weak and inconclusive. Just because Ordon Village was designed for E3 doesn't made they had some completely different village there before, let alone this specific one from OoT.
Did you love Twilight Princess? or would you have rather had Wind Waker 2 or a third Hero of Time game?
Maybe because the reason is because they simply died
The kokiri forest was made into a monster den practically the kokiri wanted their land back but because the hero of time took the sword they had nothing
Ok
Wind Waker 2 100%
Honestly I’ve always wanted a twilight princess sequel with link being older than we’ve ever played him as maybe 20s-30s with him looking for a way back to midna maybe in distant lands. It could even be darker than the original. Doesn’t have to be but would be cool.
I want a zelda taking place in a modern society. And have the forest and planes separate the city from old hyrule castle. A desert leading to an ocean with runes hidden in the desert. Link will be a teen who likes to explore and zelda with be the adopted daughter of the great leader Ganon. Old magic will be hidden in the forest with what's left of the Shieka and koroks. The fish people live in the ocean and birb people live in the runes of floating islands. Monsters are everywhere except the city's and towns because reasons. The goddesses have been forgotten and the triforce has been lost to time.
I am half asleep and forgot the names of some of the races of hyrule.
That forest looks so mysterious, I wish Ordon village hadn’t changed the original game, honestly it looks way more mystical and special. Those trailers and the beta horseback battle with OoT’s Link voice always gives me a very cool feeling of awe
I allways have that dream of "playing every version of every Zelda game" to see which i love more.
Beta stuff like this fascinates me so much. What I wouldn’t give to play these early build
It was the first Zelda game with ''realistic graphic'' at that time and i remember how amazing it was. I got this game for christmas 2006 for my Gamecube . Remember , during that time we never had a Zelda game with these type of graphics before . It was a dream comes true , I was not controlling a character , i was Link. The trees , the sunlight ,everything feel so real. I know how dumb it may sound but back in the days for us it was a huge deal. I still missed the realistic look of Twilight princess for the Zelda series. I don't hate cel-shading but i personally think it completely breaks the immersion. Faron and Ordonna are my favorite provinces in TP .
I agree. I wish we had a Zelda with graphics a bit more like Shadow of Colossus. It'd be awesome. And I think they should've kept that forest in the game, it looks like a nice place to explore! The game's forest is just so small...
We need another realistic Zelda. Will probably never happen though
Honestly theres only 2 games that have kept me up all day all night and pretty much all day again straight right after buying it and 1st was TP and 2nd was RDR2 i guess you can say 3 because i was a big MapleStory fan but mainly talking about consoles here. I still remember everything pre ordering TP getting it at the GS at the mall and just laying in bed with all the lights off at 3am playing it i was only around 10 at the time but just that feeling i miss it, it was like nothing else in the world mattered it was just me, my GC and TP
I remember being so excited looking at those beta forest photos. I even printed them out and used them as my birthday invitations and had a zelda tp birthday.
Hope you enjoyed the video
When I first saw the screen shots and first trailer of twilight princess, I thought it was a grown up link from majoras mask after he returned from his adventures.
Same bro
great video Jesse, lots of screenshots and clips I've never seen, thanks for putting together so much information about the early days of Twilight Princess, its truly facinating, looking at these alternate versions of Zelda games always leaves me with such a strange feeling, it's quite sad thinking about how different it could have been, all the cut content, unused enemies mechanics, scenes etc. But Im also sure they did the best they could, and most likely we got the better game in the end. But who knows? haha, thats the part that will always haunt me, we'll never know.
Add purple poisoned fog to the open forest footage and we almost have a portion of the actual game.
Also, start with your horse and lantern on at night at the ranch and quietly go to the Temple of Time by looking at the scenery with all the camera angles (first person included) and you have a dreamy ballad even more magical that what this early footage shows.
This game I followed religiously in the magazines before it even got a name. I have an Electronic Gaming Magazine from the early 2000s with a screenshot of a sasquatch like creature in the forest. I can't remember if that made it into the game but I've never seen it covered.
Edit: I see the screenshot in the video. Left this comment early.
They also had a goblin where a bunch of gorons combined. The screenshot is of the beta guardians.
I’ve always wondered why the warp songs aren’t in the order the game wants you to get them. The normal ocarina songs are as they go: Zelda’s Lullaby, Epona’s Song, Saria’s Song, Sun’s Song, Song of Time and then lastly, Song of Storms.
However warp songs go like this : Forest, Fire, Water, Spirit, Shadow and then lastly, Light.
If the order you actually get them in (if you follow Nintendo’s intended path) is light, forest, fire, water, shadow and then lastly, spirit, then why are they ordered differently in the menu when the others are ordered on when they want you to get them? Is this another case of them completely restructuring the game last minute and they wanted you to get them in the displayed order rather than the learnt order?
I was hoping in Twilight Princess HD we were going to get beta content like Wind Waker HD. Sadly, it ended up being just a higher res remaster with it's only new features being the Cave of Ordeals and Hard Mode mirror mode. Twilight Princess deserved a sequel and hopefully one day we may get one after the Sequel to BOTW.
Would love that !!!!
WWHD didn't get Beta content though
The fact that they cut something just because they thought people like the demo is a big shame because I think most people would have preferred the bigger open and denser Forest... I'm honestly kind of butt hurt now ...
Me too!
Personally I think they should take all this unused content from time constraints and not enough for the tech at the time to pull off and put it into a remake. Not all this remaster/re-port BS they've been doing. But that's just my opinion.
From what I understand, they already do this with each subsequent 3D Zelda release. Apparently, some of Wind Waker had a couple of dungeons cut from the final product, but they were unable to graft them back in for WWHD since the assets/puzzles/room layouts were already repurposed for later Zelda games. My guess is that they don't let a lot of good ideas go to waste; they might just have to be tabled for years at a time.
I feel like this context makes the trailers for TP make so much more sense. Always wondered why they changed so much and why certain features seemed removed from the village area. I like that it became it's own story rather than a direct sequel to OoT, tho I'd still love to see that in the future.
Definetly feel like it would of been great to have seen more open forest areas, but something tells me there were limitations at that time to include it all in the final
theres a animation of a dog inside the canoe which wouldve taken place in ordon village, but the only place the dog is found in is in hyrule castle town and the canoe is in zora river.
dream _Zelda_ 35th celebration:
remakes of _Ocarina of Time_ and _Majora’s Mask_ in a style somewhere between _Twilight Princess_ and the N64 games, with added side-quests and vamped-up dungeons, and then a new _third_ game in the Hero of Timeline saga…
trying to mimic that kind of style myself. I think it would make for a nice vr game
I don't know, maybe it's from all my replays of this game but I couldn't imagine Twilight Princess without Ordon Village. I think Kokiri Forest could have been neat as a way of world building from OoT but having a farm town of ordinary people for Link to grow up in and get attached to speaks to me more.
What happened to the deku Tree sapling in OOT that's a mystery no one's ever spoke of.
So true man !!!
Only thing I can Think of is Botw
And the tree grew giant thousands of years later
wind waker
He only appears in the Adult Timeline. TP is in the Child Timeline.
While I think ordon might’ve not been an original idea an we could’ve got the kokiri forest. I personally think it doesn’t make sense for the kokiri forest to be located where ordon is. I think if the forest temple is the deku tree that the kokiris forest would be the area right before the path leading up to the temple and would further line up with the lost woods being off to the left there. I think ordon even though not an idea yet would’ve always been located outside of hyrule just to the south of kokiri forest even in ocarina of time.
I wanted a wind waker prequel where Link would fail, somehow fall into obscurity, forcing the gods to flood Hyrule
It would contradict the timeline. Wind Waker happens in the adult timeline where because Link is sent back to his childhood there is no hero and the gods are forced to flood Hyrule
@@clouds-rb9xt which is why I said this Link would fall into obscurity so that legend wouldn't remember him. I'm talking about someone not the hero of time
@@stavrosbegetis2173 Ah, so a sort of forgotten failed hero who appears before Wind Waker but after Ocarina of Time but ultimately is forgotten?
@@clouds-rb9xt yeah that's where my head is at with this. I know it's a stretch because like you said the writing has to be done carefully not to contradict anything. When Twilight Princess footage was first released, I actually thought we were getting a pre-flood Hyrule
I think both would have been cool. Fanservice is good for longtime fans.
2:41 I kinda like this transformation vs the one in thr game. Idk just sayin. BTW awesome channel dude glad I found this
Thanks for the interesting video o.O Twilight Princess is my all-time favourite game ^o^
However, could you link where you got those interviews from? Even though I think you probably showed us the most interesting things in those interviews, I would really like to read through them myself since I'm really kinda obsessed with Twilight Princess ^^'
@@Queenskii004 Yeah, I really would've liked to check them out for myself as well :/
Cool, I never imagined that.
I yearn to play this version of the forest someday....
What’s the name of the song in the background? I know the name but who did the cover?
I got this on the Wii U. Haven't got to it yet.
This game broke my Zelda curse as in it was the first Zelda I finished rather than get really far and never finishing the game.
@@Reddeth6332 Wind Waker was the first Zelda I beat. I was a dumb kid and couldn't figure out Ocorina and Mask.
Ok
Gotta play it ASAP when you can . Super dope game !
@@xwarxdogx6664 I'm almost done with ac origins. I have the pokemon games coming out on Friday. And I'm thinking for finishing guardians of the galaxy. But I did buy it to play it so it's only a matter of time.
"Maybe we could of had both." 😅I want both
i don't care what we get just as long as its not a breath of the wild 3 or age of calamity 2
Nice breakdown.
Man I hope twilight princess and wind waker come to switch !!!!!!!!
Would’ve liked both villages but if I had to pick one… would’ve preferred it’s as a sequel to ocarina of time
I think this game got a little too good. Like despite loving zelda games, a few of the zelda principles were holding this game back more than helping it. But where the devs did get creative.. this game was amazing. It's cool that it broke away from wind waker to create a true legend.. but boy a wind waker 2 would have been the best.
@Dragon76 Baby Phantom Hourglass was Wind Waker 2
True and they were great sequels, genuinely incredible games.. I shouldn't overlook them.. *a 3D wind waker sequel is what would really make everyone go crazy. EspEcially now, I couldn't imagine the reactions. But yeah if nintendo was smart they'd at least port those two ds games first, the wii u pulled it off and they are super tight.
@GooberMealSundays I'm more or less in agreement; I'm curious, though, what were some of the features where the devs got creative? Any particular examples? Just interested in your perspective.
@@BoojieD well wolf link in particular was new and different. Midna as a character was still one of the most original characters we've seen in the series. I think the beginning of the game, and the middle of the game, really tried to create a story with their dungeons and the stuff you had to do.. there were amazing sequences of- explore dungeon, explore over world. That was something that made the original 1987(?) game so fun. This game had those moments where wolf link had to use his sniffer and swap back to interact with characters which was cool too. Funny enough the beginning of the game is great as well, I think because of how it averted expectations and really established a comfort (if not boring) zone to create immersion. This applies to kakariko and hyrule castle town even better, at that point you're in game. Being stuck in twilight as wolf link is still fun too, it's shocking and disorientating and still requires exploring and thinking. And can't forget about the dungeon where you have to go back in time and control those statues to get the master sword, that was great. The game doesn't references it's predecessors as well as wind waker, but it does do them justice. But remember that crazy cutscene with the girl who lost her memory? What did that mean!? Well unfortunately, I think the ending fell flat. They're were two really cool dungeons back to back, each with super cool original gimmicks (the hand enemies in twilight were sure spooky) but then the game was ending.. and it tried to incorporate zelda and gannon in some really odd and silly ways. Like energy tennis... again? By 30 hours in, I had honestly forgot about them and wanted something more. Maybe they got caught up in making it such a legend that it lost its realism. Another problem was that there came a point where link being silent no longer fit with the rest of the environment, but I guess that kind of change was considered too risky. At the end it felt like they wanted him to speak. The final dungeon as an ending in hyrule castle was probably due to time constraints though. I mean those characters helping didn't amount to anything, I remember backtracking to speak with them only to find they were only generated for the cutscene. The last dungeon was okay, the few puzzles and combat made it still memorable. For some reason it had been a while since we had seen multiple items needing to be used in the final part of the game, and whipping out old tools brought me back in time to reflect before beating the game, which was smart. And getting all the heart pieces has never been easier. I also still appreciate the good graphics on old characters, we just deserved another reason to hear m's lament.
Oh my gosh and the combat really stepped up a few notches, another reason to explore. The boss designs were super fun, I loved the way they sometimes had a difficult to understand weakness that was well communicated discretely (I think of the fire temple first). But this doesn't include ganon and the variations of him in the fights at the end, for the reasons above. Horse riding will always be super cool though, what a marvel.
I haven’t played this game yet but I might buy it for the Wii
Do it !!!! Great game !!!
@@xwarxdogx6664 it’s observably over priced
@@theeeveesquadd1370 lol that sucks I can find em for original price or 30 bucks used 🤣
On the wii u It's much better
Your evidence is weak and inconclusive. Just because Ordon Village was designed for E3 doesn't made they had some completely different village there before, let alone this specific one from OoT.
Twilight Princess is the best Zelda game ever IMO.
head.canon