"No strategy guides, no internet to show me where to go next, just my friends at school lying to me about unlocking sheik as a playable character" I was laughing for a good minute. I remember those times.
I was like 9 and was lucky enough to have older sisters for the hard stuff. Especially the Water Temple. I played that game like 10 times before I was able to do the hard stuff myself.
it’s funny that people really thought there were secret dungeons like the developers went to the trouble of designing a WHOLE dungeon just for most people to never even find it
@@alternateperez4086 I mean if I took the hard work and time to develop a whole dungeon for Ocarina of Time and they made it to where the only way anyone would see would be to do this wildly obtuse set of steps to get to it, I'd be pissed.
Fun fact, here's what the manga authors have to say about the majoras mask side story "The series launched at almost the same time as the game release, so that meant at the start we couldn't reference the actual game play, we had seen the opening demo and the intro images, but that wasn't enough to fill up all the pages. After pondering the problem for a while, we decided to write an original story... something symbolic, like a myth, which would fit in well but didn't need to match the game's specific details. So we took the overall impressions we got from majoras mask and put them into story form in a grand way. The story is entirely separate from the main one, but we hope you enjoy it just as much!" - Akira Himekawa 2001
Interesting note. After Link returned to his childhood he warned Zelda what Ganondorf was planning and what was going to happen. Ganondorf would be caught and charged by the Royal Family to be executed which we see the attempt in Twilight Princess. The Gerudo hearing that their king is about to be executed started a war in which they lost. Sending them to exile. In Four Swords Adventures which is after Twilight Princess and Ganondorf's death the Gerudo are back however as the curse continues a new male gerudo was born and he became Ganon by stealing the trident.
In the Majora's mask manga the dragon that's armor became Majora's Mask itself killed and ate humans that came to kill it and were trying to gain a wish. Sorry if I'm coming off as annoying.
That’s what I wonder about. How does Ganon get charged if the king didnt believe in Zelda’s visions? Is this also when the events in Majora’s Mask begin; after Link returns and warns Zelda?
@@letshuman8985 After returning to his time Link warns Zelda of what Ganondorf has planned and has Ganondorf arrested. That's what leads to his attempted execution in Twilight Princess
I believe the explanation for how Link doesn't get lost in the Lost woods permanently is Navi. He has a fairy from the forest helping him, so if he takes a wrong turn, he simply ends up where he started instead of eternally lost. Then, the theory follows, when he goes searching for Navi after the events of OoT, he DOES end up lost in the Lost woods, which causes him to become the Stalfos as seen in Twilight Princess.
@@ummygummy5346 The dead thing can’t be true because Link from Twilight Princess is a direct blood descendant of the Hero of Time, meaning that Link cannot have died as a child during or before Majorca’s Mask. Furthermore, the Hero’s Shade doesn’t match the appearances of the other Stalfos in the game, not to mention that only adults who die in the Lost Woods become Stalfos. Children become Skull Kids.
But his "Stalfos" form, as seen in TP, is clearly that of a fully grown adult. If what you say here were actually the case, then wouldn't Link appear as a Stalchild? OoT/MM Link died as a fully mature adult, and only *appears* to his distant descendent in the form of a wolf or skeleton.
I've heard 2 theories on the fierce deity: 1) it's been long assumed that termina is a parallel universe of Hyrule. It having an exact counterpart of each person. With that being said, the theory goes that the fierce deity is the Link of termina who died before the events of Majora's mask. 2) (my favorite one) The fierce deity is actually the 4th god or goddess of the triforce who symbolizes justice, punishment, wrath, or order and is the upsidedown triangle in the center of the triforce. This being is incredibly powerful (ie. Has there own special divine sword). Being the center upsidedown triangle symbolizes that there actions is solely dependent on the will of the 3 goddesses who call upon them when desperate action is required.
Yeah I prefer the second theory too. I always assumed that Links termina counterpart was Tingle. I know that sounds like a joke but there's really no one else it could be. He's not a Kokiri so he ages just like Link, plus the fact that he doesn't have a fairy.
The ones who made Majora's Mask had their own Link/Hero of Time, who is actually portrayed within the manga. If I remember properly, Majora is portrayed as a dragon that wants to rest, and Link had to put him to rest. One of the scales was the thing that was fashioned into Majora's Mask. Well, the Fierce Deity mask is the yin to Majora's yang. The creators of both masks (who, basically, sealed away both the villain *and* the Hero of Time) were the ones sealed away in time and dimension in order to suffer penance for abusing the Tetraforce to do so. This led to two options: The Ancient Realm in BOTW, or the Twili from TP. The Tetraforce likely would have led to the resurgence of Ganon, Zant's madness from a potential Majora's Bind/Curse, and Ganon's strengthening after the death of Zant occurs. Sealing him away would have led to a seal on the Triforce of Power, whiiiich the Tetraforce could have broken and gone to the extent of allowing it to corrupt the Triforce of Wisdom (Possessed Zelda from TP).
Totally agree with you about the lack of information making games more magical. I've got an 8-year-old cousin that I like to share these old games with. She particularly likes Pokemon and Zelda, but whenever she's curious about something she just...looks it up online. Like she said that she used a walkthrough for most of OOT, which made me die a little inside. Figuring out how to beat OOT with my neighbor and brothers was a highlight of my childhood, and I think she inadvertently cheated herself out of something special. I didn't say anything because she's 8 and I didn't want to upset her, but it did give me a little perspective on what we've lost in this age of information. Occasionally she'll tell me things like "My friend said you can get a shiny if you do this" or "I heard there's a way to get the Master Sword early," things like that. The playground rumor is still alive, but it's not near what it was when I was a kid
I can get that, but I also think we've gained something from it too. As a kid I gave up on quite a few games because I couldn't figure out what I needed to do. I didn't have the patience to puzzle it out and none of my friends played the games I did. I was pretty effectively isolated in that regard. I'm not a horribly patient person but thanks to the internet I don't get nearly as lost or frustrated as I used to get. I can actually play through and enjoy the entire game fully without wanting to tear my hair out.
i don't think it's objectively a bad thing. some people just aren't good with puzzles. i used to give up playing games entirely and just fuck around in the overworld because i had no idea what to do and walkthroughs weren't really a thing back then. i eventually got better once i was like 11-12 and figured things out on my own but some of those games i never picked back up. i might've really enjoyed them if i could have actually played them.
I really prefer to believe that the tree his mother turned into was the tree his house was on in the beginning of the game, like she continued to watch over him and give him a home even in this forest where he didn't belong.
The forest temple was originally meant to be the wind temple, which is why the forest room in ganon's castle has wind puzzles, amd the forest medallion looks like a gale
Relating to this, the Water Temple was originally supposed to be the Ice Temple, hence the medallion and room in Ganon’s castle being more ice-themed. The 1997 leak supports this with text referencing Wind and Ice Medallions.
This would have been very interesting. The Forest Temple is my favorite in OOT (top 5 temples of all time), largely due to the music, atmosphere, and WOW factor coming off of the 3 medallions. Like welcome to OOT B*tch. Took me so long as a kid to beat...Kept dying to phantom ganon like a pleb
@@ThreeMusketeersGaming69 I don’t like the forest temple, but I can't deny it has some incredibly unnerving atmosphere and is a huge step up from the previous three dungeons.
I think Goose Boose said it best regarding Nintendo's stance on Redeads: if the game is darker in tone (Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess) the Redeads are reanimated corpses, while the more light-hearted entries explain that the Redeads are manifestations of Ganon's dark magic. It was even stated that the townspeople fled when Ganon stormed the castle town with his minions in Ocarina of Time.
Just a very slight correction for around the 25:30 mark, the Kakariko/Romani Ranch sign isn't in Japanese, it's in Hylian. A Japanese player who could read or just wanted to decode the signs into Japanese would see the mistake, but most Japanese players either wouldn't have noticed or just assumed it was a reused texture if they did notice. For comparison, Kakariko Village in Japanese is written as カカリコ村 . Edit: I'm so glad that guard who dies in the marketplace is on here because that cutscene deeply affected me as a kid
Thanks for leaving this comment, I was scrolling down looking to see if someone explained what the fuck he was talking about because the sign in the video is very clearly (for someone with Japanese literacy) not in Japanese, so I was extremely confused.
Ohhh okay i thought i was maybe going insane, like “i’m not an expert at japanese….but i’m fairly certain that there sign is just some random bullshit…”
@@Isseinoyuu A year late, but all the hylian in OoT uses the fictional hylian script, but all the characters have an equivalent hiragana (iirc) and hence all the text is actually Japanese
My take on the "Hero falls timeline" is that the the Triforce gave each of the holders a future where they are most important. The adult timeline games seem to have a slight focus more on Zelda, the child timeline games are more Link centered, and the "Fallen" timeline are mostly where Ganon is in power.
It's an interesting take and I'd be on board with it, as if the Goddesses weren't actually aspects of good but only seek to maintain a perpetual balance of the eternal fight between good and evil and the Triforce was their way of ensuring it. I think a lot of folks are just going with "multiverse" in a more generic sense, probably based on Zelda in Breath of the Wild being aware of events that happened in different timelines and it's possible they all converged back into a single timeline at some point between the known ends of each split and known history of BotW's point of view.
Except that the Downfall Timeline is a what-if scenario based upon Link dying against Ganon. The 2 other timelines both occur at the same time, but parallel universes due to Link being sent back by Zelda to basically the beginning of OoT, where he warns Zelda and the King of Hyrule. This leads to TP, while simultaneously the Adult timeline continues even after Link is sent back to the past.
@@IamSupreme333 I know, I'm just slightly bitter about my favorite Zelda games being what-if scenarios, it felt like such an afterthought when they drew up that timeline. I've read so many other fan theories for the timelines over the years that were more thoughtful and clever that Nintendo's official explanation left me disappointed.
I’ve always thought of OOT as a watershed moment in Hyrules history. Since there were time traveling shenanigans it split. That’s why there is a downfall timeline in oot and not in every game. At least that’s what I tell myself. But in the end they really never had a plan.
Hello! I am actually a user who slightly assisted LeroySinclair in building this iceberg. I helped with several entries. I can assure you that none of these entries are “joke entries,” although some are a bit outlandish. My main criticism of this final draft of this iceberg is that some entries are either too high or too low for my personal tastes. That, and sometimes it builds too much off the Mario 64 Iceberg. But I guess if any iceberg is going to do that, Zelda 64 would have the most reason to. Regardless, I am fairly pleased with the final product and am thankful that you took the time to cover this. I’m glad I subscribed. I’ve been living and breathing icebergs lately. Anyways, if you want to ask me any questions, I can comment on pretty much every entry on the iceberg.
I consulted him on a few points, but the main one I couldn't find anything on, as I said in the video, was the "unintended lens of truth locations". Do you know what that's all about?
@@NEScRETRO Ah. I figured you might ask about that. Unfortunately, there isn’t much to it. Basically, it invokes the theory of “what if there was content that you missed?” It refers to the feeling you might have had when first playing the game. Should I use the lens here? What if there is an invisible monster or npc? What is lurking just out of sight? Are there secrets hidden in strange areas? Maybe there is a hidden dungeon here? I personally remember being younger and being afraid that an invisible monster or trap could be lying in wait anywhere. I constantly used the lens everywhere. The lens of truth opened you up to a completely new dimension that was hardly utilized, but could still somehow bring about a sense of paranoia. Who was to say how much of the game was actually invisible? It was unnerving to think of the possibility that you could return to Kokiri Forest and use the lens to uncover a secret that had been waiting for you from the very start of the game... Who knows? Maybe there is still invisible content? Will you be the first to find it? Are the devs hiding a terrible secret somewhere? (Joking) 😝 That’s essentially it. “Unintended locations” just refers to all of the nonspecific places that theoretically could’ve had something invisible hidden in them. I’ve heard that many people thought to use it in the desert to interact with the pyramid or make more pyramids appear. Sorry there isn’t much to it. 😅 it’s more of a feeling/experience than a specific location or secret. But again, thanks for taking the time to delve into this. It means a lot.
@@romantisanon4647 @Romantis Anon oh okay, thats sort of what I concluded and tried doing, going back to the Deku tree or even the area before the clock tower in Majora's Mask, to try using the lens of truth, but to no luck, but I get you! But thats really interesting, I now wish I explained it more as a fear/phobia, as those sorts of things always lend themselves nicely to icebergs, but oh well. Also, I totally get what you mean about the placement of certain things. Ben drowned should be higher consider its the most famous video game creepypasta next to lavender Town Syndrome. Also, some of the glitch ones, but then again, if they were all grouped together, it would be a bit of a drag to talk about them all in a row, so i guess I actually prefer them spread throughout lol. Thanks for assisting with this iceberg though! I'm glad it covered both games, as I feel that made it more "complete", at least in regards to the era of zelda I'm most familiar with!
@@NEScRETRO No worries! You did excellent! I love these long format videos! You legit made my day with this! The N64 games are the ones I’m most familiar with, so I’m excited that I was able to help partake in the meme. But yeah. Placement was definitely weird. I just helped discuss and research certain entries for the iceberg. I had little, if any, say in the placement. Oh well. Ah! Before I forget. There is one thing I would like to add on to: “Evil is rewarded with Heaven;” Koume and Kotake are killed. Their ghosts appear. But they are depicted as having halos and ascend into the heavens at the end of their cutscene. This is weird enough as it is, but the implications for religion, free will, morality, and the afterlife within Hyrule are heavy. Does evil truly exist? Is that why Ganon is never truly killed/erased but only pacified/sealed away? Are the Goddesses and Demise just playing a game with everyone? Is this why Majora is so playful; “Lets play good guys against bad guys”? Is everyone simply a piece being used by them only to be called up to Heaven upon their deaths as a reward for "being good players/toys" in their game? Are the villains and heroes subconsciously driven to fulfilling their roles for the Goddesses’ amusement? The Twinrova defeat cutscene was honestly just a joke, but if looked at from an in-universe perspective, it raises a lot of weird questions about existentialism within Hyrule. It’s definitely a crackpot theory, but I guess that’s why it’s in the bottom layer hahaha
@@romantisanon4647 thats a really good view on the "evil deeds" thing. I didnt quite take that angle on it, but now I wish I had! Oh I did have another question. On "Malon is an alcoholic" did you guys mean Cremia? Or is it because she's excited to drink the chataeu romani?
Ocarina of Time is the one game I go back and play and the music will literally bring tears to my eyes many times through out the play through. This game has this emotional nostalgia that no other series has for me and I’m into ALOT of series in pop culture. Something about OoT is magical and hasn’t been given a true remastering.
Just literally finished Oot again as I make a point of playing through Oot every couple of years. Can confirm does bring tears of nostalgia going through the game.
@@ShinobiBen_ Sometimes I’m always hesitant to go back on that journey! It’s been since the 3DS re-release since I’ve played OoT. Insane feels everytime!
My 5yo and 6yo and I sing them all the time. When I was growing up I sang popular songs, pop songs, hymns, etc with my family Now I sing video game melodies with my kids. Of course song of storms is our favorite lol
I think that the "Majora is a Hero" point is moreso referring to the fact that the Majora Child on the moon says "Let's play good guys against bad guys" and then hands Link the Fierce Deity's mask, and says that Link is the bad guy. This is compounded by the Fierce Deity's mask's description which reads "Could this mask's dark powers be as bad as Majora?".
gandondorf kept the trains running on time. nobody fought each other if theyre all the same in the same world. link doesnt even know who he is, gandondorf does know himself.
@EmeraldSquid the SquidKid I think it's because some things are so subtle that most kids hardly notice, I know I was scared out of my mind playing the forest and shadow temple though.
@EmeraldSquid / Squidkid they hid the dark things so well . Makes me think the ESRB rating groups back then just looked at games at face value without digging into them. Saw this a ton with games back in the 64/ps1 days
Having read the manga for Majora’s mask as a kid (and every other manga from Akira Himekawa in the series) I can give a bit more on the dragon. He did actually kill a LOT of people, but only because they came to try and kill him for his armor, which in turn was carved into the mask. The armor, who h was actually filled with evil power, was rumored to grant wishes, but Majora the dragon killed anyone and everyone who came to try and take it. Majora assumed the fierce deity was coming to try and kill him as well for the armor, but instead caused him to dance for three days in turn killing Majora and then turned it into a mask, hoping to seal the evil power of the armor, which unfortunately didn’t work.
"This is going to be a long video." *gets goose bumps, reclines in my seat, turns my sound system up to 30, grabs my joint and my margarita and relaxes* Yes magic music man, sing me more of that melody.
I always thought it was constructed during a war w/ Hyrule, and got flipped by the goddesses to point the fingers with fire towards Termina as a play on its original insult
@@linkthepig4219 there's a bible story about people who went against God by building a tower to reach heaven, and the stone tower looks just like it. Also worth noting that God made them speak different languages so they couldn't work together to ascend, similar to how the stone tower can be flipped and link falls into the sky or something
This is such an incredible video. We were very fortunate to get to experience this media at the time we did. It’s truly something that can never be replicated. The mystery of a Zelda game as a child in the early 2000’s is one of the most captivating things I’ve had the fortune of experiencing. 🙏
A little personalization story I had with my brother is that when we first played oot when we were kids we named link zelda because that's what we thought his name is because of the title of the game. Anyway when we first met zelda and she asked us for links name, link of course responded with Zelda. Zelda responded with "Really? That's my name too!" I remember it so vividly but I've never seen anyone else have this little message and only my brother and I remember it. I kept trying over and over again but everytime I tried it zelda would respond with the usual "hmmm, sounds familiar" line. Just thought I'd share and if anyone else remembers something like this please respond
most likely just a mandela effect. you'd be surprised how unbelievably real fake memories can seem lol. as for your brother also remembering, im not sure. but then again i had a similar situation where me and my older brother swore up and down that we both remembered something happening one way but it ended up just being a fake memory we both had. we even had the same story and everything, it was super bizarre.
@@nickpanov6456 it’s a joke, a while ago there where a lot of iceberg videos on Mario 64, where people made up a conspiracy that every copy of the game is personalized based on the player, because some people remembered things that no one else does
@@daydreams6956 right - especially when the memory is from childhood, it's more likely our young minds simply misunderstood something at the time. Our older minds then retroactively attempt to explain the mistaken conclusion, which still might not be rational. As for shared false memories, these are also possible AFAIK. Besides, all it takes is for one kid to come to such a conclusion and point it out to another kid, who can then easily adopt the same idea (if they don't just call BS on it) and thus end up with an identical/similar false memory that's reinforced whenever it's brought up again. Take a personal example of a false memory. When I was very small, I believed I had 'another family' and could describe who was in it. When I later told my mum, she explained that I was describing her sister's family, which I met when I was even younger. The inexplicable idea of some 'other family' was just a child's understanding of one of my hazy very first memories.
Oh it was insane though lol do you remember those cheat codes from back in the day? Like I remember one for banjo kazooie that said like, get 100% then go to mumbos mountain and run counter clockwise around stonehenge exactly 99 times and then ONCE clockwise, banjo will say "we've been at this a while" and mumbo will come turn you into a plane. Once you're the plane you can fly to freezeezy peak.... And on and on and on
Oh you don't EVEN know. Back then even a rumor that kinda looked legit flew as legit. Doctor an image and suddenly all of your friends and you fully believed it. Those were the wild west days of the internet. Now when someone posts something incorrect on TH-cam they're obliterated in the comments section
I remember trying to find secret ways into Termina, while playing Ocarina of Time, and falling for rumours that you could unlock a secret purple tunic that would combine the abilities of the Goron and Zora Tunics
I would love to see them have a game made that allowed to you go through the timeline, properly, and let you choose which timeline you want, basically, a let you choose the ending type of game.
The Royal Family Curse is talking about how every Zelda game, there’s a king and queen. Queen always dies, daughter is always named Zelda and must hold the triforce. Always a boy in green who also holds the triforce. And Hyrule is always destroyed. And there’s always an loop. And at the end of skyward sword the main bad guys curses the Royal family. Sorry not so good on my Zelda knowledge, but I know that.
I don't think there's a royal family curse. It's never been a Zelda thing that the queen always dies due to a curse. She just happens to be dead and therefore non-present in every Zelda game. Also, not every Princess Zelda holds the Triforce or faces the return of Ganon and therefore Hyrule doesn't get destroyed every generation.
@@rosedragon3498 people can always use lore from future games to understand past lore to be fair. Just look at vaatividya's dark souls 1 remastered lore videos of you want an example of what I mean.
I'm impressed at how creative some of those rumors for unlocking secret characters/events/whatever in games that weren't actually possible were, I still remember actually grinding for HOURS in FF7 to get the "resurrect" spell on the revive materia because I was so curious about seeing if Aerith could be revived.
It wasn't until this video that I realized the walls and floors of the "Under the Well" area in OoT were actually skulls. I always just thought it was dirt. But now getting a better look at it, the pixels form the shape of skulls. I'm mindblown right now!
Yeah, no, that "Welcome to Kakariko Village" sign is not in Japanese, it's in the fully translatable Hylian language (yes, it exist) that translates _to Japanese_
Also its reuse in Majora's Mask is just a case of "we need a sign and we already have an asset that works", keeping in mind they made this game in a year and reused Ocarina of Time assets to save time.
I should have been more clear on that point, as I meant to mention FROM hylian it translates to Japanese, welcome to kakariko village lol. Another flub on my part. I'll do my best to improve in the future!
It's not really a fully realized language, it's just a very basic cipher for Japanese. It would be more accurate to call it "the decodable Hylian alphabet".
I was 8 years old when I got LOZ back in 1987. It was a Friday and my parents took me to Toys R US and I scored LOZ, I played until I couldn't keep my eyes open and all weekend long. It was a adventure for sure. I'll never forget that time. I still have my original game saved that I could never delete.
I got the weirdest deja vu during the intro. Like I’ve seen this exact video before a long time ago even though it’s only been uploaded a day ago. It was really strong deja vu too, the kind where you feel like you know it’s happened before.
I feel like I've seen other in depth discussions (over an hour long) about Nintendo game's icebergs on TH-cam from different channels so maybe you watch some of those
Hey bud, I can feel the appreciation you’ve got for these franchises and their games, every video you make takes me to when I myself was first exploring these worlds, I appreciate you and your efforts, it goes a long way my friend
It’s very strange, I have the exact same memory of being able to grab the fire arrows at Lake Hylia for the first time with the longshot. The memory is so strong in me that I still attempted to do this while I was playing through Ocarina on Switch a few days ago. My long term memory is generally really good, and I usually remember most aspects of my favourite games, even after 20 plus years. It’s so strange we have the same memory, or dream?
Same I thought this was real cause I swear I remember hook shot-ing to it and being like LOL aren't these little pillars stone? So I spent the rest of the game trying to hook shot random things in case it worked!
@@midnight11111 I have similar beliefs! That or as we evolve I think we're maybe becoming more aware of various parallel versions of ourselves who had experienced things differently.
It is possible, via the scarecrow's song. Play near the base of the "island" and it'll appear. But you need Longshot to reach the scarecrow there, which means you can only grab them just minutes before beating the water temple and having the lake filled anyway.
@@snf327 Heck, if I'm remembering right, in the Master Quest version of the game there was a room in the Water Temple with 3 torch sconces on a far wall in a triangular formation that required Fire Arrows to get through because they were out of range of Din's Fire. Think it may have just led to a Gold Skulltula though? Idk it's been years. Anyways, basically encouraged you to get the arrows before clearing the temple, especially since you get the Longshot much earlier in Master Quest Water Temple.
@@material_equivalent1645 when you look at an iceberg, you only see the tiny part at the top not making up the entire body of the iceberg. Most the iceberg is below the surface of the water So in a nutshell, the above visible iceberg is what most people see in the game, he started with that. The deeper he goes into the game (iceberg) the more neat substance, hidden items/Easter eggs or theories he gets at represents the rest of the larger than visible game (iceberg) most do not see.
I personally liked when there were no timelines and fans could just debate it on their own. but the link dying timeline does make sense to me with the retro games bc it adds credence as to why there would be games with more monsters and ruin. as well as explaining ganon retaining the triforce and never reverting back to his gerudo form in those games.
Well before it was classified link dies timeline, fans used to call it, hero doesn't return timeline, as when link became a kid again to go to the spirit temple, he just decided not to return and stay as a kid, leading to no one stopping future ganon
I think it's poorly named, rather than Hero Falls it should have been something like "Hero disappears". Similar to like a multiverse, there's a timeline where Link disappears after taking the sword from the Temple of Time. This then creates another timeline where Link succeeds as an adult and life continues on without him when he then returns the sword back to the Temple of Time but rather than Link returning he instead creates another timeline where he retains the knowledge he had and prevents Ganondorf from taking power.
@@Jbrickzz_Official Do I understand this correctly? The theory was that basically Twilight Princess timeline Ganon thrived at the absence of Link? This makes so much more sense. The problem with the downfall timeline has always been the fact that this is a timeline with Twinrova alive, and the description of the Imprisoning War not matching the events of OOT when Ganon kills Link. How are there even knights alive to give up their lives for the Sages. Not to mention how bad it is have a timeline when OOT Link loses. The timeline can be more easily explained if Link never intervened in Ocarina of Time (and with good reason). And while at it, let's talk about how Four Swords can be their own timeline with no Triforce or at the very least no Master Sword. To me the theory that there is a timeline where Zelda never returns Link to his childhood after beating Ganon fixes this theory. It would also split the timeline in 4. The Twilight Princess and Wind Waker timeline and the timeline of no Wind Waker (Adult Link stayed and thus there was a hero so no need to flood Hyrule). And a timeline where Twilight Princess doesn't happen but A Link to the Past does since Link didn't snitch on Ganon. I am more of a fan of this theory.
"Hero is defeated" is such a poor name for it, it makes more sense if you consider it any form of link isn't there, if he dies, or whatever let's Ganon be victorious I don't remember where I heard it, but I like the idea of the Hero defeated timeline is the abandoned timeline, at the end of OoT link goes back to around the time of his first meeting with Zelda, blah blah, leads to majoras and tp. But what about that timeline you play through in the child parts of OoT post master sword pull? Any timeline where Ganon goes drunk on triforce power and can't unpig himself is the original games timeline.
You *CAN* Longshot to the platform in Lake Hylia where the Fire Arrows drop prior to filling the Lake back up with water. You need the Scarecrow's Song to do it, though.
I used to think there was some way to skip the entire forest temple. Maybe on my first playthrough of OOT, I got my friend to do the temple for me because I was stuck, but I remember using Din's fire to light the torches and activating the elevator. Then, obviously, the elevator went up instead of down and took me to the sky temple, because Nintendo would clearly design a dungeon just to hide it behind some random condition like lighting an elevator on fire. Then, after getting the tetraforce from the sky temple, I unlocked the fierce diety mask and Ganon's horse. After going back down the elevator, I was suddenly in womp's fortress in Super Mario 64. After getting the 100 coin star, I cartridge swapped to Majora's Mask, which unlocked Majora's mask, which would unlock sonic in the original super smash bros for exactly 13 hours when worn.
39:46 I believe the Wind Temple could be referring to another theory. People have theorized that the Forest Temple was originally a Wind themed temple in beta versions. This is backed up by the fact that the Forest Temple's room in Ganon's Castle contains a wind-based puzzle. Meanwhile all the other rooms more closely align with each respective dungeon.
Im an avid hunter and outdoorswoman and I played Oot obsessively during my young formative years and I think that game partially inspired my love of the outdoors. I'd think to myself "gee I want my life to be an adventure like this videogame!"
Redead are hylians: What makes this more interesting is the well supported theory that redeads are created by the skeikah or the royal family, and not Ganon. There's a good Zeltik video on it if you wanna check it out. It would mean that the redeads in the marketplace were actually a desperate last-ditch effort by the royal family to resist Ganondorf; one that ended in vain.
"Sold his soul to the devil." 'Devil' can also be used as 'demon' or 'evil entity/creature.' So far in the case of Majora's Mask? I always just assumed the 'devil' to be Majora itself. It's cursed pretty much everyone else so why not. Lol Majora is very equal opportunity when it comes to making others suffer.
I'm so lucky to have had an original experience with this game. Playing on an n64 and learning how to beat the dungeons when I was little were peak grandma's house activities
AMAZING video, I watched/listened it indeed while doing my chores and it was really good thanks for all the time and effort u put in keep doing what u do
idk if this was ever confirmed by nintendo or if it's just widely accepted headcanon but Telma in Twilight princess is said to be half-gerudo, and the last decendant of the gerudos
Super late comment but thought id share. In 5th grade I met one of my best friends because I heard him say he liked Zelda and we spent all recess talking about OoT. Long story short we both lied to each other about unlockables/secrets, and I spent a couple hours trying to get into dampes hut to find a painting that would turn Epona into Yoshi. Lol. Still one of my best friends to this day.
1. Nintendo, as far as I'm aware, has never confirmed such. 2. Mido would have no way of knowing such information, as it's not his business. 3. If Link's mother canonically became any tree, it would be the one Link lives in.
@@mikeskis9657 I remember it that way too, but when I looked it up I couldn't find any proof of courage being on the left other than a reddit post of someone talking about it.
@@codypitcher1447 I swear to everything holy that the lower left was the triforce of courage, maybe it was an earlier build of the game but when we walked into the organ room the lower left lit up on his hand
Having a really bad week and your iceberg videos are providing me with some serious entertainment, engagement and distraction. Thank you so much, youre amazing man
Thank you! That means so much, really! I'm in the middle of making my pokemon iceberg, so I'm hoping to have that done in a week or two, so hopefully you'll enjoy that one as well!
@@NEScRETRO Oh man i cant wait and im so glad you replied. You make these videos better than anything else ive seen. Ill be looking forward to whatever you put out :)
@@NEScRETRO oh yeah man by the way, if you ever need some copyright-free piano music for your videos, hit me up. Ive released a few albums of some soft piano stuff, if you wanna hear/use any of it, let me know :)
Started to play videogames at 6, I'm not 38 and Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are still in my top videogame ever. That feeling the first time i explored those games was amazing. Recently only one games gave me that same feeling Elden Ring. True masterpiece
"They're all just individual stories unless stated otherwise" My brother in Hylia, that is all of them. Even before Hyrule Historia there was very clear connective tissue across a number of the games. As you stated, OoT and MM are directly linked to each other. So are Zelda 1 and 2. As for A Link to the Past, well its in the name. Wind Waker's intro shows what happened after Zelda sent Adult Link back and caused him to dissappear from thar timeline. After defeating Puppet Ganon, the real Ganondorf remarks "You are indeed the Hero of Time reborn." Twilight Princess has the Hero’s spirit who, even without the direct confirmation from HH, is still strongly implied to be the same Link from OoT and MM, given he knows the Song of Healing and was a previous weilder of the Master Sword. BotW has a cutscene where Zelda, when giving Link the Master Sword, directly mentions every past weilder in the timeline. Skyward Sword was always established as the furthest back in the timeline before HH's release, and the ending of that game sets up future events. We can split hairs and nitpick about the finer details and the placement of other games all day, but there is definitely evidence of a timeline behind the scenes or at least a basic framework there. There's a downfall timeline because one, it's the game that splits the timeline in the first place and the other Links aren't creating other timelines, and two, because the Hero’s defeat leads directly into an event known as the Imprisoning War which sets up the events of the classic games. The placement of the games taking place after Link dying somehow making them less canon or less significant is definitely a weird take. I really don't think Nintendo views it this way, especially with Link Between Worlds being such a massive love letter to this specific era of Zelda games. I've always found the myth that Nintendo released an official timeline specifically to get fans to stop arguing as very silly, especially with how notorious the company is for not caring about fan debates or requests.
BotW Zelda wasn't giving Link the master sword if I'm thinking of the right cutscene. Link was able to pull it at a very young age. She was knighting him as a champion.
Zelda songs just make me wanna cry for their value itself and everytime I play Zelda I feel nostalgic thou they weren't really a part of my childhood. I just fell in love with the tracks, everytime a new song started in your video I got the crying vibe chills again.
Your content is fantastically in depth. I loved hearing about the old triforce rumors from back in the early days of the Internet. People came up with the craziest ways to "get the triforce", it was all very nostalgic. Great work!
i know i keep commenting on your videos but tbh i just love your icebergs sososo much! nintendo in general is a longtime special interest of mine, particularly mario and loz, and i love hearing your personal thoughts/anecdotes about the theories!! plus your videos tend to make me want to play/replay specific games (restarted oot and started pokemon pearl because of your icebergs), these just bring joy all around :-) im still saving your blair witch project for a special night where i can sit down and devote my full attention to it (found footage horror is another big interest and bwp is my favourite), but i just wanted to say i really love your videos and you seem to put a lot of care into them!!
You actually CAN get to the Fire Arrow ledge with the Longshot. You first need to get the scarecrow song and play it to make him appear. Then you can stand near the edge of the platform, close to where you would begin to fall due the slope being to steep. You have to stand pretty close to the edge, but it's certainly possible.
the way you described your experience with oot / mm as a kid really spoke to me! i remember my friends and i were constantly on the phone helping each other figure out how to progress in the game. so nostalgic
No no, you’re not understanding “OOT changed my life” and I say that in the kindest most non-confrontational manner possible. I first played this game when I was maybe 4. The Nintendo 64 was the first console I had any real experience with, and, sure, I also played & loved other classics like Golden Eye with my brothers, Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Mario 64, Pokemon Stadium/Snap, Starfox-the list goes on. But OOT? Man, that s*** really did change my life. It’s what made me fall in love with gaming. It was the first game I would willingly skip meals or lose sleep over. It was the first game that I played so much that I had dreams about it. A game I’ve played so much to exhaustion at this point that I know it inside and out. The open world, the colours, the models, the gameplay, the puzzles, the challenge, all to someone who had never cared much for video games before picking it up. This video game introduced me to a world [video games] that would later on become a huge part of my life. I’d even go so far as to say this game was my safe space. Having a bad day? Play OOT. Got bullied at school again? Get lost in the open world of OOT. Parents yelled at you and you felt alone? Talk to NPCs until you learned their speech word-for-word. Woke up on the wrong side of the bed? Sit in the open world and just listen to the OST. This game made me. On top of being a huge comfort I had as a kid, it also opened up an entire franchise to me, one of which I fell in love with. The original Zelda? Classic. Skyward Sword? Link Between Worlds? /BOTW/?! Just amazing. I owe countless hours and entertaining time surfing on the web to this franchise and to this game. So many hours I spent making fan art of my own, writing innocent fan fiction, so many friends I made that I still talk to to this day. Heck, I owe my art/drawing *and* writing hobbies solely to this game. This game introduced me to a world of creativity. And so many times, this game was the only one to wipe away my tears and encourage me to carry on, comforting me in times of tragedy. This game was my best friend growing up. This. Game. Changed. My. Life.
Great video dude! You really managed to make it nice and creepy, great atmosphere. The most disturbing part was definitely seeing Adult Link run around with the double magic meter, but only 3 hearts.
50:53 You can find Gorman in the Milk Bar, exhibiting signs of intoxication. He has a blush and is hiccuping and, if that isn't enough, he flat out asks if you can get tipsy from milk. The 3DS version even adds a quest where he's feeling "sick" and his brothers make a special milk to treat him, which could be seen as alleviating the effects of a hangover.
I know these games have been out for over 20 years but i still love seeing these types of videos about them lol. If anything we need MORE content on these games
I just looked up "chateau" and it refers to "a large French country house or castle, often giving its name to wine made in its neighborhood." Example: "Château Margaux". So I think Chateau Romani must be an alcoholic drink made from or mixed with milk. I always knew it was a name for a type of estate so the item always confused me but the association with vineyards is new info to me and now a lot of things make a whole lot more sense. A while back I read that in an earlier stage of development, the swordplay was much more complex allowing you to do different types of slashes and manually jump. It was probably inspired by Zelda 2. But it was probably too complex so they dumbed it down to a simple three slash combo. Looks like that beta footage shows the older sword combat they worked on. It would have been pretty cool but way ahead of its time. There definitely was a loose continuity between the games from the beginning. The entire Zelda 1 map is the southern tip of the Zelda 2 map. LttP was always said to be a distant prequel to Zelda 1. And Ocarina of Time was originally conceived as depicting the Imprisoning War mentioned in LttP. After that the continuity building was much more intentional in the main console games which I think not coincidentally coincides with Eiji Aonuma's recruitment to the Zelda dev team. After that it's pretty obvious Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were made to be sequels to Ocarina and Majora in different timeline branches, as confirmed during their development by Aonuma himself as well as in-game text. At that point they should have put all the old school pre-OoT games into a separate parallel universe instead of relegating them to the "Downfall" branch just to make fans happy with a single timeline but to say there was no intended continuity is just a straight up mistruth. They just didn't think too deeply about it and made up the Downfall timeline when Aonuma kept adding sequels that demanded continuity while conflicting with the loose canon established earlier on. I think the Minish Cap and Four Swords games are the worst fit in the timeline and they really bent over backwards to make them fit instead of just making those games their own Four Swords universe.
I always just figured that the Downfall timeline made sense because he first used his pig beast form canonically in Ocarina, and then became used to it and grew stronger and ruled over hyrule more and more as time passed, idk just a thought 🤷
I loved this video, it was so in-depth on some of the things I noticed as a kid but never looked into. Most of my Zelda memories lie with Majora's Mask and it will probably always be one of my favourtie Zelda games. My only complaint with the video is the last part, where the music holds this really loud and constant note the whole way through. It was a bit loud and distracting when not listening with headphones and I could barely hear you over it. Other than that, great work, it was a hell of a video and I had so much fun watching that it even seemed like it was shorter than it really was!
When you said "all the kids I meet while playing Ocarina of Time (...) I no longer really talk to them or know what happened to them, and while that may sound depressing, it's just life (...) it's just the way it goes" you just proved how much influence Ocarina have on you. Remember: time passes, people move... Like a river's flow, it never ends.
One thing overlooked on the triforce menu thing, the lighting source (assuming the medallions and heart pieces are hollowed/recessed) is at the top left, leaving shadows in that same corner (again assuming a recess for the medallions and heart container) this means that there is not a hollowed out spot for the triforce, but instead a raised area as the shadows are on the bottom right section, meaning the raised portion blocks the light. I don't think I've heard anyone put this point forward, but its worth noting.
@@929er13 I’m gonna blow your mind here. It’s not incorrect it’s just morphed by urban native speakers, a little like ‘water’ becomes ‘wadder’ in most forms of American English
I'm so happy you took my advice (the one I commented in your "Super Mario 64 Iceberg: A Deeper Look" video) about showing footage of what you're talking about. Seriously, it makes for a much smoother and enjoyable experience overall. Great video :)
yes! I made a point to do so, very much because of your comment lol. I hope to continue improving and making content that you, and many more can enjoy!
There's also an interesting connection between the Gorons, Gerudos, and Ikana: On the Road to Ikana and in the Stone Tower Temple, the player encounters an enemy called Nejiron, which essentially resemble cursed Gorons. We also find the Gorons' region in OoT and the Ikana region to be similar environments; mountain and canyon. "Death Mountain" would've also been a more appropriate name for the Ikana region. Additionally, There's Dampé, who watches over the Kakariko Graveyard in OoT and the Ikana Graveyard in MM. The Shadow Temple is the dead/undead dungeon in OoT, and it's in Kakariko, next to Death Mountain; similarly, Ikana is the dead/undead land in MM, which is a mountain/canyon environment, like Death Mountain. Next, there's the connection between the Triforce and the Spiritual Stones along with their corresponding races: The Goron's Ruby corresponds to Din, contained in the Triforce of Power, which is obtained by Ganondorf, a Gerudo. The Gerudos also have red hair, alluding to the 'red/fire' attribute. The Gorons and Gerudos have other similarities as well; environmental (mountain/canyon and desert/valley, both dry) as well as biological (Gorons being all-male, from what I know at least, and the Gerudos being all-female with the exception of Ganondorf; male Gerudos being born every 500 years, iirc.) Another short observation is that in the original NES LoZ, the player fights Ganon in Death Mountain. A final similarity being the temples: the Fire Temple, Spirit Temple, and Stone Tower Temple all have some Eastern references (Fire Temple had Islamic chanting, and a "fire temple" is a place of worship in Zoroastrianism; Spirit Temple makes references to Egyptian, Persian, and Indian culture; Stone Tower Temple alludes to the Tower of Babel). There's also some similarities between the Spirit Temple and Stone Tower Temple; both are the final temple of each game, both reference symbolism of duality in some way, both allude to desertous environments, and both have bosses fought in pairs and with similar names (Twinrova and Twinmold).
Maybe not insightful to the timeline, but it's worth noting that OoT seems to put a stronger emphasis on the sun while MM has a stronger emphasis on the moon. In OoT, one of the central aspects of the game is the Temple of Time because it's the location Link uses to travel in and out of the child and adult timeframes; The symbolism found on the Door of Time and on those giant blue blocks in some of the adult dungeons depicts the sun and beams of light emanating from it. There's also the Triforce in general, with the Golden Goddesses alluding a lot to light. Taking the Master Sword also brings about Link's transition to his adult age, where he is a Hylian, and he first meets Rauru, the Light Sage, whom is also Hylian. Zelda is of course Hylian as well. A lot of emphasis on the Hylian race. Additionally, the song we learn in the Royal Family's Tomb is the "Sun's Song", which circles through the day and night cycle and stuns the ReDeads and Gibdos (alluding to 'light/life' defeating 'dark/death'). There's also the "Prelude of Light" which is the Warp Song for the Temple of Time. (The Ocarina of Time and Master Sword utilizing blue and yellow could also allude to blue skies and sunlight, along with Link and Zelda's blue eyes and blonde hair.) Kind of a joke here, but worth interpretation as well: the overall atmosphere of OoT is more lively and uplifting, suggesting 'sunlight/daytime', while MM's overall atmosphere is despairing/depressing and revolves around death, suggesting 'moonlight/night/darkness', which fits the central theme of the cursed Majora's Moon. The Hyrule Field theme even starts with the chime of the Sun's Song and induces a feeling of adventure/excitement and utilizes more major key notes, and even Hyrule Field itself has visually brighter graphics, while the Termina Field theme utilizes more minor key notes and evokes a more 'vigilant/unsettled' feeling, and is even kind of 'cloudy/overcast' and just somewhat visually darker than Hyrule Field overall. MM also has the quests that are completed at night, such as fighting "Them" (the aliens); more moon references. It's also interesting how defeating Ganon in OoT restores light (sunlight) to the Kingdom of Hyrule, while defeating Majora restores the natural state of the moon. Another kind of joke-y interpretation: the name "Majora's Mask" and central theme of the moon could be referring to a solar eclipse, where the moon 'masks' the sun in a sense.
45:32 the reason for the dance troupe hint was because if you wore certain masks (can't remember which ones) in Ikana Castle the ReDeads would just dance around rather than attack you. It was a hint to make that mini dungeon easier rather than just adding to lore.
Dang man, i grew up on these games. My older brother had the gamecube collection so i loved these games, even when i didnt know what to do. Of course now, ive replayed these games too many times to count. Majoras mask is my favorite game ever, so this list hit different. Thank you
A theory about bootstrap paradoxes like that are that they are the result of a long line of variances. Initially, there was now song, and kid Link met them man, playing random notes. The man tell adult Link of said annoying random notes, prompting him to do the same to get a certain reaction or some such. When he goes pack, he plays different notes than initially due to the man not remembering the noise so well. This repeats, each time changing the notes slightly, over and over and over and over and over, until eventually the man thinks that the notes are a song, and begins to remember them slightly better. Knowing that it’s a song, though without the trauma of a sudden indoor storm, means the memory is still very weak, so the song, too, changes slightly each time this loop happens. Each time Link goes back, he plays an unknown song, based off of the poorly remember notes that the man gave him as an adult. Eventually, the notes line up just right to be the song of storms, and the resulting trauma of an INDOOR STORM burns the song into his mind, resulting in the loop as it is now.
The eye in the Fused Shadows is the same as Majora's Mask, there's also a Sheikah eye on the back too. I've always wondered what the lore implications were.
The implication is that terminian shiekah sorcerers grew envious of hylian divinity and sought to.invade the realm of the gods and became dark interlopers of war fueled by their superiority complex. They met their fate at the hands of the light spirits when they were banished to a gap between light and dark, the twilight realm. In a twist of fate, one lone descendant of this dark tribe came closer than any of his kind to achieving his ancestors sinister goal, a destined recipient of a fragment of the golden goddesses power would also be exiled to the mysterious gap between dimensions for similar heretic crimes, ganondorf the king of thieves would manipulate and possess the man known only as zant and offer the hopeless and banished society a glimpse of true divine retribution. On a more tinfoil hat side note, some speculate the dimensional invasion had inside assistance by friendly shiekah who betrayed the royalty of hyrule and sided with their terminian mask-wielding counterparts after growing tired of serving the relatively helpless royal family for countless millennia thus explaining the distrust we see between shiekah and the royal family after the events of the interloper war, the secrecy surrounding the mask of truth in ocarina of time, evidence of conspirators and traitorous shiekah like bongo bongo as well as a general plot to control or should I say, understanding the shiekah people had of their technological and tactical superiority over the kingdom of hyrule as well as many other curiosities between the shiekah and the royal family pre and post-interloper war. Conclusion: a plot to steal the triforce was lead by a clan of mask wielding sorcerers and aided by the shiekah, it resulted in the dissolution of the divine pact the shiekah had with the royal family to protect the chosen ones eventually leading to the downfall of the kingdom as seen in twilight princess when the protectors of the royal simply were not present to intervene due to being exiled during the attack giving the plot against the gods one final chance to be fulfilled.
"No strategy guides, no internet to show me where to go next, just my friends at school lying to me about unlocking sheik as a playable character" I was laughing for a good minute. I remember those times.
They had Strategy Guids for OoT though, because I got one back when it came out just to beat the F'n water temple.
I was like 9 and was lucky enough to have older sisters for the hard stuff. Especially the Water Temple. I played that game like 10 times before I was able to do the hard stuff myself.
My evil ass was the youngest out of everyone and I held all the secrets 😈 gotta rub a little salt in the wound here and there 😂
unironically a playable sheik would go so hard though, i wonder if there's a proper rom hack about that somewhere
Gerudos went extinct bc Link is perpetually icing the only set of testicles that exist in the desert
Only male pair
Link himself saves the gerudo population
But gerudos marry outside their race
@@dankmansalley417 where is that implied in OOT though? As far as the game goes, they stay within the desert, and seemingly isolate themselves.
@@chrisgeorge619 in breathe of the wild they do mention it Atleast
it’s funny that people really thought there were secret dungeons like the developers went to the trouble of designing a WHOLE dungeon just for most people to never even find it
If I was a developer of that dungeon and that happened, I'd be out for blood. lol
Game development's hard enough already.
@@arnox4554 your comment doesn't make sense
@@alternateperez4086 yo mama
@@alternateperez4086 I mean if I took the hard work and time to develop a whole dungeon for Ocarina of Time and they made it to where the only way anyone would see would be to do this wildly obtuse set of steps to get to it, I'd be pissed.
Idk, some devs have done stuff like that, ie: purposely hiding secret stuff that's hard to find
Fun fact, here's what the manga authors have to say about the majoras mask side story
"The series launched at almost the same time as the game release, so that meant at the start we couldn't reference the actual game play, we had seen the opening demo and the intro images, but that wasn't enough to fill up all the pages. After pondering the problem for a while, we decided to write an original story... something symbolic, like a myth, which would fit in well but didn't need to match the game's specific details. So we took the overall impressions we got from majoras mask and put them into story form in a grand way. The story is entirely separate from the main one, but we hope you enjoy it just as much!" - Akira Himekawa 2001
I really love videos where I can just sit and listen to someone talk about video games for a long time
Thank for you enjoying!! I'm just putting the finishing touches on my latest video and should be uploading it tonight or tomorrow morning!
Interesting note. After Link returned to his childhood he warned Zelda what Ganondorf was planning and what was going to happen. Ganondorf would be caught and charged by the Royal Family to be executed which we see the attempt in Twilight Princess. The Gerudo hearing that their king is about to be executed started a war in which they lost. Sending them to exile. In Four Swords Adventures which is after Twilight Princess and Ganondorf's death the Gerudo are back however as the curse continues a new male gerudo was born and he became Ganon by stealing the trident.
In the Majora's mask manga the dragon that's armor became Majora's Mask itself killed and ate humans that came to kill it and were trying to gain a wish.
Sorry if I'm coming off as annoying.
@@red5158077 the manga isn't canon. The author themself openly said so.
@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen I know it's not canon
That’s what I wonder about. How does Ganon get charged if the king didnt believe in Zelda’s visions? Is this also when the events in Majora’s Mask begin; after Link returns and warns Zelda?
@@letshuman8985 After returning to his time Link warns Zelda of what Ganondorf has planned and has Ganondorf arrested. That's what leads to his attempted execution in Twilight Princess
I’ve always wondered who pierced links ear during the time skip. He pulls out the master sword with unpierced ears and wakes back up with them pierces
Pierced my ear because of Link : )
Dude.. isn't it obvious? It was Rauru. He been watching link sleep for 7 years, there's no telling what he has been doing to his body.
I like to think the Earrings are magical in property, and serve some kind of purpose of protecting Link during time stasis or some other purpose.
@@andreasul2608 that’s... that’s terrifying
@@andreasul2608 ayo😭😭
I believe the explanation for how Link doesn't get lost in the Lost woods permanently is Navi. He has a fairy from the forest helping him, so if he takes a wrong turn, he simply ends up where he started instead of eternally lost. Then, the theory follows, when he goes searching for Navi after the events of OoT, he DOES end up lost in the Lost woods, which causes him to become the Stalfos as seen in Twilight Princess.
That is my understanding of the whole thing too. The dead thing really does make sense. Not sure if I believe it though.
@@ummygummy5346 The dead thing can’t be true because Link from Twilight Princess is a direct blood descendant of the Hero of Time, meaning that Link cannot have died as a child during or before Majorca’s Mask.
Furthermore, the Hero’s Shade doesn’t match the appearances of the other Stalfos in the game, not to mention that only adults who die in the Lost Woods become Stalfos. Children become Skull Kids.
But his "Stalfos" form, as seen in TP, is clearly that of a fully grown adult. If what you say here were actually the case, then wouldn't Link appear as a Stalchild? OoT/MM Link died as a fully mature adult, and only *appears* to his distant descendent in the form of a wolf or skeleton.
A stalfos of a child that somehow grew into an adult wearing knight armor? Pretty sure Link became an adult and died in battle.
He's not a stalfos, it wouldn't made sense since he would have turned in a skull kid
I've heard 2 theories on the fierce deity:
1) it's been long assumed that termina is a parallel universe of Hyrule. It having an exact counterpart of each person.
With that being said, the theory goes that the fierce deity is the Link of termina who died before the events of Majora's mask.
2) (my favorite one) The fierce deity is actually the 4th god or goddess of the triforce who symbolizes justice, punishment, wrath, or order and is the upsidedown triangle in the center of the triforce.
This being is incredibly powerful (ie. Has there own special divine sword).
Being the center upsidedown triangle symbolizes that there actions is solely dependent on the will of the 3 goddesses who call upon them when desperate action is required.
Yeah I prefer the second theory too. I always assumed that Links termina counterpart was Tingle. I know that sounds like a joke but there's really no one else it could be. He's not a Kokiri so he ages just like Link, plus the fact that he doesn't have a fairy.
The ones who made Majora's Mask had their own Link/Hero of Time, who is actually portrayed within the manga. If I remember properly, Majora is portrayed as a dragon that wants to rest, and Link had to put him to rest. One of the scales was the thing that was fashioned into Majora's Mask.
Well, the Fierce Deity mask is the yin to Majora's yang.
The creators of both masks (who, basically, sealed away both the villain *and* the Hero of Time) were the ones sealed away in time and dimension in order to suffer penance for abusing the Tetraforce to do so. This led to two options: The Ancient Realm in BOTW, or the Twili from TP.
The Tetraforce likely would have led to the resurgence of Ganon, Zant's madness from a potential Majora's Bind/Curse, and Ganon's strengthening after the death of Zant occurs.
Sealing him away would have led to a seal on the Triforce of Power, whiiiich the Tetraforce could have broken and gone to the extent of allowing it to corrupt the Triforce of Wisdom (Possessed Zelda from TP).
I like that 2nd one
No... read the MM manga, there's a bonus story that explains it.
@@imaguyandabeautifulbutterfly oh yeah. Link danced him to death
Totally agree with you about the lack of information making games more magical. I've got an 8-year-old cousin that I like to share these old games with. She particularly likes Pokemon and Zelda, but whenever she's curious about something she just...looks it up online. Like she said that she used a walkthrough for most of OOT, which made me die a little inside. Figuring out how to beat OOT with my neighbor and brothers was a highlight of my childhood, and I think she inadvertently cheated herself out of something special. I didn't say anything because she's 8 and I didn't want to upset her, but it did give me a little perspective on what we've lost in this age of information. Occasionally she'll tell me things like "My friend said you can get a shiny if you do this" or "I heard there's a way to get the Master Sword early," things like that. The playground rumor is still alive, but it's not near what it was when I was a kid
I can get that, but I also think we've gained something from it too. As a kid I gave up on quite a few games because I couldn't figure out what I needed to do. I didn't have the patience to puzzle it out and none of my friends played the games I did. I was pretty effectively isolated in that regard.
I'm not a horribly patient person but thanks to the internet I don't get nearly as lost or frustrated as I used to get. I can actually play through and enjoy the entire game fully without wanting to tear my hair out.
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@@QueenOfCatsX3 true. I was a pretty dumb kid. I don't think I ever actually beat a game until I was 10 or so
maybe thats just how some people want to enjoy it lol? kinda elitist of you
i don't think it's objectively a bad thing. some people just aren't good with puzzles. i used to give up playing games entirely and just fuck around in the overworld because i had no idea what to do and walkthroughs weren't really a thing back then. i eventually got better once i was like 11-12 and figured things out on my own but some of those games i never picked back up. i might've really enjoyed them if i could have actually played them.
I really prefer to believe that the tree his mother turned into was the tree his house was on in the beginning of the game, like she continued to watch over him and give him a home even in this forest where he didn't belong.
That sounds really nice I like to believe that’s the case.
it's the only tree house that is different
I love this idea, like she's continually sheltering him with her love even after death and he can always come back home to her.
The forest temple was originally meant to be the wind temple, which is why the forest room in ganon's castle has wind puzzles, amd the forest medallion looks like a gale
Relating to this, the Water Temple was originally supposed to be the Ice Temple, hence the medallion and room in Ganon’s castle being more ice-themed.
The 1997 leak supports this with text referencing Wind and Ice Medallions.
They made up for it by giving us the wind temple in Wind Waker.
This would have been very interesting. The Forest Temple is my favorite in OOT (top 5 temples of all time), largely due to the music, atmosphere, and WOW factor coming off of the 3 medallions. Like welcome to OOT B*tch. Took me so long as a kid to beat...Kept dying to phantom ganon like a pleb
@@ThreeMusketeersGaming69 I don’t like the forest temple, but I can't deny it has some incredibly unnerving atmosphere and is a huge step up from the previous three dungeons.
I can tell you how it felt to see Oot in the 90s. We were all stunned.
I know being 8yrs old for Christmas morning, it was amazing
I'd get up before my parents to play 64 from like 5-6 when the bus ran.
I was 15, and i loved it. Even after running through it had to go back and find all the secrets.......
The opening screen will never lose it‘s magic.
Yesss the graphics were so good back then!
I think Goose Boose said it best regarding Nintendo's stance on Redeads: if the game is darker in tone (Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess) the Redeads are reanimated corpses, while the more light-hearted entries explain that the Redeads are manifestations of Ganon's dark magic. It was even stated that the townspeople fled when Ganon stormed the castle town with his minions in Ocarina of Time.
Goose Boose is awesome and a big inspiration to me to branch out and do other types of videos in the future!
>lighthearted Zelda game
>introduced the dead hand enemy
@@NEScRETROI’m actually on the Shadow Temple boss Bongo Bongo
Just a very slight correction for around the 25:30 mark, the Kakariko/Romani Ranch sign isn't in Japanese, it's in Hylian. A Japanese player who could read or just wanted to decode the signs into Japanese would see the mistake, but most Japanese players either wouldn't have noticed or just assumed it was a reused texture if they did notice. For comparison, Kakariko Village in Japanese is written as カカリコ村 .
Edit: I'm so glad that guard who dies in the marketplace is on here because that cutscene deeply affected me as a kid
Thanks for leaving this comment, I was scrolling down looking to see if someone explained what the fuck he was talking about because the sign in the video is very clearly (for someone with Japanese literacy) not in Japanese, so I was extremely confused.
Ohhh okay i thought i was maybe going insane, like “i’m not an expert at japanese….but i’m fairly certain that there sign is just some random bullshit…”
Came searching for this comment lmao
I see how it can look similar to katakana to non-japanese speakers, but it is definitely not.
Ok
@@Isseinoyuu A year late, but all the hylian in OoT uses the fictional hylian script, but all the characters have an equivalent hiragana (iirc) and hence all the text is actually Japanese
My take on the "Hero falls timeline" is that the the Triforce gave each of the holders a future where they are most important. The adult timeline games seem to have a slight focus more on Zelda, the child timeline games are more Link centered, and the "Fallen" timeline are mostly where Ganon is in power.
It's an interesting take and I'd be on board with it, as if the Goddesses weren't actually aspects of good but only seek to maintain a perpetual balance of the eternal fight between good and evil and the Triforce was their way of ensuring it. I think a lot of folks are just going with "multiverse" in a more generic sense, probably based on Zelda in Breath of the Wild being aware of events that happened in different timelines and it's possible they all converged back into a single timeline at some point between the known ends of each split and known history of BotW's point of view.
Except that the Downfall Timeline is a what-if scenario based upon Link dying against Ganon. The 2 other timelines both occur at the same time, but parallel universes due to Link being sent back by Zelda to basically the beginning of OoT, where he warns Zelda and the King of Hyrule. This leads to TP, while simultaneously the Adult timeline continues even after Link is sent back to the past.
@@IamSupreme333 I know, I'm just slightly bitter about my favorite Zelda games being what-if scenarios, it felt like such an afterthought when they drew up that timeline. I've read so many other fan theories for the timelines over the years that were more thoughtful and clever that Nintendo's official explanation left me disappointed.
@@robintst Yeah Nintendo should’ve gave more effort to make their shit sound not retarded
I’ve always thought of OOT as a watershed moment in Hyrules history. Since there were time traveling shenanigans it split. That’s why there is a downfall timeline in oot and not in every game. At least that’s what I tell myself. But in the end they really never had a plan.
Skull kid wearing the link mask is so terrifying
What if Skull Kid stole and wore the Fierce Deity Mask?
Yeah I didn't think MM could still scare me at 28 but wow that shits creepy as hell.
Imagine if it was a transformation mask...
@@JC-oq5ex MM is cool but can also be dark and creepy. Ikana canyon always gave me the chills.
@@JC-oq5ex I’m 28 as well and equally scared
Hello! I am actually a user who slightly assisted LeroySinclair in building this iceberg. I helped with several entries. I can assure you that none of these entries are “joke entries,” although some are a bit outlandish. My main criticism of this final draft of this iceberg is that some entries are either too high or too low for my personal tastes. That, and sometimes it builds too much off the Mario 64 Iceberg. But I guess if any iceberg is going to do that, Zelda 64 would have the most reason to.
Regardless, I am fairly pleased with the final product and am thankful that you took the time to cover this. I’m glad I subscribed. I’ve been living and breathing icebergs lately. Anyways, if you want to ask me any questions, I can comment on pretty much every entry on the iceberg.
I consulted him on a few points, but the main one I couldn't find anything on, as I said in the video, was the "unintended lens of truth locations". Do you know what that's all about?
@@NEScRETRO Ah. I figured you might ask about that. Unfortunately, there isn’t much to it. Basically, it invokes the theory of “what if there was content that you missed?”
It refers to the feeling you might have had when first playing the game. Should I use the lens here? What if there is an invisible monster or npc? What is lurking just out of sight? Are there secrets hidden in strange areas? Maybe there is a hidden dungeon here?
I personally remember being younger and being afraid that an invisible monster or trap could be lying in wait anywhere. I constantly used the lens everywhere. The lens of truth opened you up to a completely new dimension that was hardly utilized, but could still somehow bring about a sense of paranoia. Who was to say how much of the game was actually invisible? It was unnerving to think of the possibility that you could return to Kokiri Forest and use the lens to uncover a secret that had been waiting for you from the very start of the game...
Who knows? Maybe there is still invisible content? Will you be the first to find it? Are the devs hiding a terrible secret somewhere? (Joking) 😝
That’s essentially it. “Unintended locations” just refers to all of the nonspecific places that theoretically could’ve had something invisible hidden in them. I’ve heard that many people thought to use it in the desert to interact with the pyramid or make more pyramids appear.
Sorry there isn’t much to it. 😅 it’s more of a feeling/experience than a specific location or secret.
But again, thanks for taking the time to delve into this. It means a lot.
@@romantisanon4647 @Romantis Anon oh okay, thats sort of what I concluded and tried doing, going back to the Deku tree or even the area before the clock tower in Majora's Mask, to try using the lens of truth, but to no luck, but I get you! But thats really interesting, I now wish I explained it more as a fear/phobia, as those sorts of things always lend themselves nicely to icebergs, but oh well.
Also, I totally get what you mean about the placement of certain things. Ben drowned should be higher consider its the most famous video game creepypasta next to lavender Town Syndrome. Also, some of the glitch ones, but then again, if they were all grouped together, it would be a bit of a drag to talk about them all in a row, so i guess I actually prefer them spread throughout lol. Thanks for assisting with this iceberg though! I'm glad it covered both games, as I feel that made it more "complete", at least in regards to the era of zelda I'm most familiar with!
@@NEScRETRO No worries! You did excellent! I love these long format videos! You legit made my day with this! The N64 games are the ones I’m most familiar with, so I’m excited that I was able to help partake in the meme.
But yeah. Placement was definitely weird. I just helped discuss and research certain entries for the iceberg. I had little, if any, say in the placement. Oh well.
Ah! Before I forget. There is one thing I would like to add on to: “Evil is rewarded with Heaven;”
Koume and Kotake are killed. Their ghosts appear. But they are depicted as having halos and ascend into the heavens at the end of their cutscene. This is weird enough as it is, but the implications for religion, free will, morality, and the afterlife within Hyrule are heavy. Does evil truly exist? Is that why Ganon is never truly killed/erased but only pacified/sealed away? Are the Goddesses and Demise just playing a game with everyone? Is this why Majora is so playful; “Lets play good guys against bad guys”? Is everyone simply a piece being used by them only to be called up to Heaven upon their deaths as a reward for "being good players/toys" in their game? Are the villains and heroes subconsciously driven to fulfilling their roles for the Goddesses’ amusement? The Twinrova defeat cutscene was honestly just a joke, but if looked at from an in-universe perspective, it raises a lot of weird questions about existentialism within Hyrule. It’s definitely a crackpot theory, but I guess that’s why it’s in the bottom layer hahaha
@@romantisanon4647 thats a really good view on the "evil deeds" thing. I didnt quite take that angle on it, but now I wish I had! Oh I did have another question. On "Malon is an alcoholic" did you guys mean Cremia? Or is it because she's excited to drink the chataeu romani?
It's 3 am... perfect time to spend about 2 hours listening to someone talk about zelda.
Ocarina of Time is the one game I go back and play and the music will literally bring tears to my eyes many times through out the play through. This game has this emotional nostalgia that no other series has for me and I’m into ALOT of series in pop culture. Something about OoT is magical and hasn’t been given a true remastering.
Just literally finished Oot again as I make a point of playing through Oot every couple of years. Can confirm does bring tears of nostalgia going through the game.
@@ShinobiBen_ Sometimes I’m always hesitant to go back on that journey! It’s been since the 3DS re-release since I’ve played OoT. Insane feels everytime!
My 5yo and 6yo and I sing them all the time. When I was growing up I sang popular songs, pop songs, hymns, etc with my family
Now I sing video game melodies with my kids.
Of course song of storms is our favorite lol
@@ShinobiBen_ love to hear it!
@@yardh Song of Storms is a classic! It makes a come back in the new Zelda! I won’t spoil it tho.
I think that the "Majora is a Hero" point is moreso referring to the fact that the Majora Child on the moon says "Let's play good guys against bad guys" and then hands Link the Fierce Deity's mask, and says that Link is the bad guy. This is compounded by the Fierce Deity's mask's description which reads "Could this mask's dark powers be as bad as Majora?".
gandondorf kept the trains running on time. nobody fought each other if theyre all the same in the same world. link doesnt even know who he is, gandondorf does know himself.
Another interesting fact, in MM, one of the masks on the Happy Mask Salesman's bag is the same as the face on the mirror shield.
😭 The Deku butler mourning in front of his sons empty shell is so sad. Pretty dark for an E rated game as well.
@EmeraldSquid the SquidKid I think it's because some things are so subtle that most kids hardly notice, I know I was scared out of my mind playing the forest and shadow temple though.
I know 😭, poor butler
@EmeraldSquid / Squidkid I was always scared of the hand enemies that would fall from the ceiling and grab you.
@@davidmedford1166 Still gives me heart attacks when replaying it.
@EmeraldSquid / Squidkid they hid the dark things so well . Makes me think the ESRB rating groups back then just looked at games at face value without digging into them.
Saw this a ton with games back in the 64/ps1 days
Having read the manga for Majora’s mask as a kid (and every other manga from Akira Himekawa in the series) I can give a bit more on the dragon. He did actually kill a LOT of people, but only because they came to try and kill him for his armor, which in turn was carved into the mask. The armor, who h was actually filled with evil power, was rumored to grant wishes, but Majora the dragon killed anyone and everyone who came to try and take it. Majora assumed the fierce deity was coming to try and kill him as well for the armor, but instead caused him to dance for three days in turn killing Majora and then turned it into a mask, hoping to seal the evil power of the armor, which unfortunately didn’t work.
"This is going to be a long video."
*gets goose bumps, reclines in my seat, turns my sound system up to 30, grabs my joint and my margarita and relaxes*
Yes magic music man, sing me more of that melody.
Woke up from a 2 hour long depression nap to this absolute masterpiece. Thanks man :)
We’re all depressed man. Just don’t do anything crazy...
are you ok?
I used to be there 4 years ago. I truly thought nothing would get better. Now life is great. Keep fighting bud ❤️
It took a video on TH-cam to make you not depressed.....
Stay strong man.
Hey, you got this! Everything will be ok.
F for that brave town guard. He did his best.
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I’ve played through oot so many times since it released and only first saw the sting guard a few months ago haha
Sadly he didnt exist in the 3d remake :(
I am also surprised the "Stone tower is the tower of babel" was not on the iceberg
What is that?
Anyone can make an Iceberg. That means information will be left out due to human error.
I always thought it was constructed during a war w/ Hyrule, and got flipped by the goddesses to point the fingers with fire towards Termina as a play on its original insult
@@linkthepig4219 there's a bible story about people who went against God by building a tower to reach heaven, and the stone tower looks just like it. Also worth noting that God made them speak different languages so they couldn't work together to ascend, similar to how the stone tower can be flipped and link falls into the sky or something
@@Citural
Ah I think I may have heard of that story.
I love how whenever he’s going down a rabbit hole he ends it with “LIKE, COMMENT, AND SUBSCRIBE”
I always heard that the shark behind bars was in reference to GameShark and how Nintendo definitely didn't like cheats
This is such an incredible video. We were very fortunate to get to experience this media at the time we did. It’s truly something that can never be replicated. The mystery of a Zelda game as a child in the early 2000’s is one of the most captivating things I’ve had the fortune of experiencing. 🙏
A little personalization story I had with my brother is that when we first played oot when we were kids we named link zelda because that's what we thought his name is because of the title of the game. Anyway when we first met zelda and she asked us for links name, link of course responded with Zelda. Zelda responded with "Really? That's my name too!" I remember it so vividly but I've never seen anyone else have this little message and only my brother and I remember it. I kept trying over and over again but everytime I tried it zelda would respond with the usual "hmmm, sounds familiar" line. Just thought I'd share and if anyone else remembers something like this please respond
EVERY COPY OF OOT IS PERSONALIZED
@@buisnessman1237 objectivly wrong
most likely just a mandela effect. you'd be surprised how unbelievably real fake memories can seem lol.
as for your brother also remembering, im not sure. but then again i had a similar situation where me and my older brother swore up and down that we both remembered something happening one way but it ended up just being a fake memory we both had. we even had the same story and everything, it was super bizarre.
@@nickpanov6456 it’s a joke, a while ago there where a lot of iceberg videos on Mario 64, where people made up a conspiracy that every copy of the game is personalized based on the player, because some people remembered things that no one else does
@@daydreams6956 right - especially when the memory is from childhood, it's more likely our young minds simply misunderstood something at the time. Our older minds then retroactively attempt to explain the mistaken conclusion, which still might not be rational.
As for shared false memories, these are also possible AFAIK. Besides, all it takes is for one kid to come to such a conclusion and point it out to another kid, who can then easily adopt the same idea (if they don't just call BS on it) and thus end up with an identical/similar false memory that's reinforced whenever it's brought up again.
Take a personal example of a false memory. When I was very small, I believed I had 'another family' and could describe who was in it. When I later told my mum, she explained that I was describing her sister's family, which I met when I was even younger. The inexplicable idea of some 'other family' was just a child's understanding of one of my hazy very first memories.
30:44 “the internet wasn’t heavily fact checked back in the day”
Lol like it’s any better now
Oh it was insane though lol do you remember those cheat codes from back in the day? Like I remember one for banjo kazooie that said like, get 100% then go to mumbos mountain and run counter clockwise around stonehenge exactly 99 times and then ONCE clockwise, banjo will say "we've been at this a while" and mumbo will come turn you into a plane. Once you're the plane you can fly to freezeezy peak....
And on and on and on
Word lol
Oh you don't EVEN know. Back then even a rumor that kinda looked legit flew as legit. Doctor an image and suddenly all of your friends and you fully believed it. Those were the wild west days of the internet. Now when someone posts something incorrect on TH-cam they're obliterated in the comments section
@@seanmusser6002 within seconds lol
i wish somebody could dig up some of those old rumors. ive looked and im coming up with nothing.
I remember trying to find secret ways into Termina, while playing Ocarina of Time, and falling for rumours that you could unlock a secret purple tunic that would combine the abilities of the Goron and Zora Tunics
I swear this is the best Zelda video ever it's like taking you down a rabbit hole
I've heard some wild things, but boy oh boy, that magic flute one was a trip....
I would love to see them have a game made that allowed to you go through the timeline, properly, and let you choose which timeline you want, basically, a let you choose the ending type of game.
Keep dreaming, we're all just waiting for BotW 2. I'm sure this comment will seem dated soon! I hope you're right.
@@sirkittius if they don’t make it dated then I guess my art won’t be for nothing🤟🏻
@@sirkittius ngl i wished we had zelda: invasion it sounds creepingly awesome
The Legend of Zelda: Timeline of Heroes sounds like a good title for something like this
The Royal Family Curse is talking about how every Zelda game, there’s a king and queen. Queen always dies, daughter is always named Zelda and must hold the triforce. Always a boy in green who also holds the triforce. And Hyrule is always destroyed. And there’s always an loop. And at the end of skyward sword the main bad guys curses the Royal family. Sorry not so good on my Zelda knowledge, but I know that.
keep in mind the game came out in 98 so skyward sword wouldnt have existed
Boy in green (or "champion" blue)* 😂
I don't think there's a royal family curse. It's never been a Zelda thing that the queen always dies due to a curse. She just happens to be dead and therefore non-present in every Zelda game. Also, not every Princess Zelda holds the Triforce or faces the return of Ganon and therefore Hyrule doesn't get destroyed every generation.
@@rosedragon3498 people can always use lore from future games to understand past lore to be fair. Just look at vaatividya's dark souls 1 remastered lore videos of you want an example of what I mean.
I'm impressed at how creative some of those rumors for unlocking secret characters/events/whatever in games that weren't actually possible were, I still remember actually grinding for HOURS in FF7 to get the "resurrect" spell on the revive materia because I was so curious about seeing if Aerith could be revived.
It wasn't until this video that I realized the walls and floors of the "Under the Well" area in OoT were actually skulls. I always just thought it was dirt. But now getting a better look at it, the pixels form the shape of skulls. I'm mindblown right now!
Yeah, no, that "Welcome to Kakariko Village" sign is not in Japanese, it's in the fully translatable Hylian language (yes, it exist) that translates _to Japanese_
Also its reuse in Majora's Mask is just a case of "we need a sign and we already have an asset that works", keeping in mind they made this game in a year and reused Ocarina of Time assets to save time.
I should have been more clear on that point, as I meant to mention FROM hylian it translates to Japanese, welcome to kakariko village lol. Another flub on my part. I'll do my best to improve in the future!
It's not really a fully realized language, it's just a very basic cipher for Japanese. It would be more accurate to call it "the decodable Hylian alphabet".
Dude makes a nearly 2 hour video and you come with that smartass comment. There's a way to offer a correction without being a douche.
@@NEScRETRO nana its cool you were still pretty much right
"No, Dean, I didn't forget" cracks me up EVERY TIME
i really love how you relate these things to your childhood memories with these games!!
I was 8 years old when I got LOZ back in 1987. It was a Friday and my parents took me to Toys R US and I scored LOZ, I played until I couldn't keep my eyes open and all weekend long. It was a adventure for sure. I'll never forget that time. I still have my original game saved that I could never delete.
Glad me and my friends weren’t the only ones who referred to making it to adult Link as “Getting big”.
35:42 That's where your wrong Sakon clearly tells you that he's not doing anything suspicious.
I got the weirdest deja vu during the intro. Like I’ve seen this exact video before a long time ago even though it’s only been uploaded a day ago. It was really strong deja vu too, the kind where you feel like you know it’s happened before.
Yea it was really weird. I definitely felt it too. Perhaps it’s just because so many Zelda videos start like. I’m not sure
I feel like I've seen other in depth discussions (over an hour long) about Nintendo game's icebergs on TH-cam from different channels so maybe you watch some of those
@@memelord7567 yea bing them a lot en mass they help fill the time
Was very possibly the kind where you see it in a dream the night before and recognize it as it happens, it happens to me sometimes.
Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask and Final Fantasy 9 will always have a place in my heart. Three of my favorite experiences as a kid.
My favs too!! 🥺💖
Hey bud, I can feel the appreciation you’ve got for these franchises and their games, every video you make takes me to when I myself was first exploring these worlds, I appreciate you and your efforts, it goes a long way my friend
It’s very strange, I have the exact same memory of being able to grab the fire arrows at Lake Hylia for the first time with the longshot. The memory is so strong in me that I still attempted to do this while I was playing through Ocarina on Switch a few days ago. My long term memory is generally really good, and I usually remember most aspects of my favourite games, even after 20 plus years. It’s so strange we have the same memory, or dream?
Same I thought this was real cause I swear I remember hook shot-ing to it and being like LOL aren't these little pillars stone? So I spent the rest of the game trying to hook shot random things in case it worked!
@@midnight11111 I have similar beliefs! That or as we evolve I think we're maybe becoming more aware of various parallel versions of ourselves who had experienced things differently.
It is possible, via the scarecrow's song. Play near the base of the "island" and it'll appear. But you need Longshot to reach the scarecrow there, which means you can only grab them just minutes before beating the water temple and having the lake filled anyway.
@@TheTrueGuardian Ahhhhh yes! I always mess up the scarecrow song 😢 that makes sense lol
@@snf327 Heck, if I'm remembering right, in the Master Quest version of the game there was a room in the Water Temple with 3 torch sconces on a far wall in a triangular formation that required Fire Arrows to get through because they were out of range of Din's Fire. Think it may have just led to a Gold Skulltula though? Idk it's been years.
Anyways, basically encouraged you to get the arrows before clearing the temple, especially since you get the Longshot much earlier in Master Quest Water Temple.
You go so much farther then most people do about icebergs, and it's really quite impressive
That's what I aim for!
Yeah excelĺent work man!
What does the word "iceberg" mean to you people
@@Psylent wondering the same thing... video has good information but wtf is an iceberg if not a physical iceberg? SMH
@@material_equivalent1645 when you look at an iceberg, you only see the tiny part at the top not making up the entire body of the iceberg.
Most the iceberg is below the surface of the water
So in a nutshell, the above visible iceberg is what most people see in the game, he started with that.
The deeper he goes into the game (iceberg) the more neat substance, hidden items/Easter eggs or theories he gets at represents the rest of the larger than visible game (iceberg) most do not see.
I personally liked when there were no timelines and fans could just debate it on their own. but the link dying timeline does make sense to me with the retro games bc it adds credence as to why there would be games with more monsters and ruin. as well as explaining ganon retaining the triforce and never reverting back to his gerudo form in those games.
Well before it was classified link dies timeline, fans used to call it, hero doesn't return timeline, as when link became a kid again to go to the spirit temple, he just decided not to return and stay as a kid, leading to no one stopping future ganon
I wonder whatever happened to the Golden sword, maybe it'll show up in Botw 2?
I think it's poorly named, rather than Hero Falls it should have been something like "Hero disappears".
Similar to like a multiverse, there's a timeline where Link disappears after taking the sword from the Temple of Time. This then creates another timeline where Link succeeds as an adult and life continues on without him when he then returns the sword back to the Temple of Time but rather than Link returning he instead creates another timeline where he retains the knowledge he had and prevents Ganondorf from taking power.
@@Jbrickzz_Official Do I understand this correctly? The theory was that basically Twilight Princess timeline Ganon thrived at the absence of Link? This makes so much more sense. The problem with the downfall timeline has always been the fact that this is a timeline with Twinrova alive, and the description of the Imprisoning War not matching the events of OOT when Ganon kills Link. How are there even knights alive to give up their lives for the Sages. Not to mention how bad it is have a timeline when OOT Link loses. The timeline can be more easily explained if Link never intervened in Ocarina of Time (and with good reason). And while at it, let's talk about how Four Swords can be their own timeline with no Triforce or at the very least no Master Sword. To me the theory that there is a timeline where Zelda never returns Link to his childhood after beating Ganon fixes this theory. It would also split the timeline in 4. The Twilight Princess and Wind Waker timeline and the timeline of no Wind Waker (Adult Link stayed and thus there was a hero so no need to flood Hyrule). And a timeline where Twilight Princess doesn't happen but A Link to the Past does since Link didn't snitch on Ganon. I am more of a fan of this theory.
"Hero is defeated" is such a poor name for it, it makes more sense if you consider it any form of link isn't there, if he dies, or whatever let's Ganon be victorious
I don't remember where I heard it, but I like the idea of the Hero defeated timeline is the abandoned timeline, at the end of OoT link goes back to around the time of his first meeting with Zelda, blah blah, leads to majoras and tp.
But what about that timeline you play through in the child parts of OoT post master sword pull?
Any timeline where Ganon goes drunk on triforce power and can't unpig himself is the original games timeline.
You *CAN* Longshot to the platform in Lake Hylia where the Fire Arrows drop prior to filling the Lake back up with water. You need the Scarecrow's Song to do it, though.
I used to think there was some way to skip the entire forest temple. Maybe on my first playthrough of OOT, I got my friend to do the temple for me because I was stuck, but I remember using Din's fire to light the torches and activating the elevator.
Then, obviously, the elevator went up instead of down and took me to the sky temple, because Nintendo would clearly design a dungeon just to hide it behind some random condition like lighting an elevator on fire. Then, after getting the tetraforce from the sky temple, I unlocked the fierce diety mask and Ganon's horse. After going back down the elevator, I was suddenly in womp's fortress in Super Mario 64. After getting the 100 coin star, I cartridge swapped to Majora's Mask, which unlocked Majora's mask, which would unlock sonic in the original super smash bros for exactly 13 hours when worn.
Almost Thought you were serious then until i read halfway through
Ok
i personally never grew up with these games, but i love these older games so much. Majora's Mask is my favorite game ever
Miyamoto: No Tetraforce.
Also Miyamoto: Tetra in Wind Waker.
Miyamotomoto
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@@mehrunesterror4128 Look out, I think Miyamotomoto likes you.
39:46 I believe the Wind Temple could be referring to another theory. People have theorized that the Forest Temple was originally a Wind themed temple in beta versions. This is backed up by the fact that the Forest Temple's room in Ganon's Castle contains a wind-based puzzle. Meanwhile all the other rooms more closely align with each respective dungeon.
forest temple medallion symbol also resembles wind too
lol water temple room
The "twenty-three is number one" hint is actually a pun in Japanese.
I guess "ni-ju-san" and "ichiban" rhyme?
@man with a username big michael jordan fans
@@kanyewestgaming9105 🤣
Ni-juu san wa ichiban!
Im an avid hunter and outdoorswoman and I played Oot obsessively during my young formative years and I think that game partially inspired my love of the outdoors. I'd think to myself "gee I want my life to be an adventure like this videogame!"
Redead are hylians:
What makes this more interesting is the well supported theory that redeads are created by the skeikah or the royal family, and not Ganon. There's a good Zeltik video on it if you wanna check it out. It would mean that the redeads in the marketplace were actually a desperate last-ditch effort by the royal family to resist Ganondorf; one that ended in vain.
Broke: The ancient cistern is based off the spiders thread
Woke: Majoras mask is based off the magic flute
The Luigi Theory sounds like some shit I would’ve heard in elementary school when we were all playing this game
"Sold his soul to the devil."
'Devil' can also be used as 'demon' or 'evil entity/creature.'
So far in the case of Majora's Mask? I always just assumed the 'devil' to be Majora itself. It's cursed pretty much everyone else so why not. Lol
Majora is very equal opportunity when it comes to making others suffer.
I'm so lucky to have had an original experience with this game. Playing on an n64 and learning how to beat the dungeons when I was little were peak grandma's house activities
AMAZING video, I watched/listened it indeed while doing my chores and it was really good thanks for all the time and effort u put in keep doing what u do
I’m absolutely in love with how in-depth your content is. You put love and care into these videos and I’m always looking forward to what comes next!
idk if this was ever confirmed by nintendo or if it's just widely accepted headcanon but Telma in Twilight princess is said to be half-gerudo, and the last decendant of the gerudos
“Imp” is also used to describe a devious, misbehaving child. I think it’s more likely that’s the definition being used when describing Skullkid.
Midna's cursed form is refered to as "Imp Midna" as well in twilight princess iirc
Your videos make me so damn happy, they satisfy me to the point of being infinitely rewatchable for me. Thank you for being around dude
Super late comment but thought id share. In 5th grade I met one of my best friends because I heard him say he liked Zelda and we spent all recess talking about OoT. Long story short we both lied to each other about unlockables/secrets, and I spent a couple hours trying to get into dampes hut to find a painting that would turn Epona into Yoshi. Lol. Still one of my best friends to this day.
Why doesn't Mido just tell Link "Well maybe you have friends and Saria likes you, but I live in your mom"
1. Nintendo, as far as I'm aware, has never confirmed such.
2. Mido would have no way of knowing such information, as it's not his business.
3. If Link's mother canonically became any tree, it would be the one Link lives in.
@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen dam u suck
@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen you're really lame for that
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Wow. I didnt see this comment get so much traction lol. But yeah it was just meant to be a joke haha.
the Mandela Effect is when multiple people remember the same thing one way than it truly is. if it's just one person, that is called misremembering
Like when I remember (and so does my best friend) the triforce of courage on the lower left triangle vs the right
@@mikeskis9657 I remember it that way too, but when I looked it up I couldn't find any proof of courage being on the left other than a reddit post of someone talking about it.
@@codypitcher1447 I swear to everything holy that the lower left was the triforce of courage, maybe it was an earlier build of the game but when we walked into the organ room the lower left lit up on his hand
Admittedly, I always remember Courage being the top third of the Triforce.
Having a really bad week and your iceberg videos are providing me with some serious entertainment, engagement and distraction. Thank you so much, youre amazing man
Thank you! That means so much, really! I'm in the middle of making my pokemon iceberg, so I'm hoping to have that done in a week or two, so hopefully you'll enjoy that one as well!
@@NEScRETRO Oh man i cant wait and im so glad you replied. You make these videos better than anything else ive seen. Ill be looking forward to whatever you put out :)
@@NEScRETRO oh yeah man by the way, if you ever need some copyright-free piano music for your videos, hit me up. Ive released a few albums of some soft piano stuff, if you wanna hear/use any of it, let me know :)
Started to play videogames at 6, I'm not 38 and Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are still in my top videogame ever. That feeling the first time i explored those games was amazing. Recently only one games gave me that same feeling Elden Ring. True masterpiece
"They're all just individual stories unless stated otherwise"
My brother in Hylia, that is all of them.
Even before Hyrule Historia there was very clear connective tissue across a number of the games.
As you stated, OoT and MM are directly linked to each other. So are Zelda 1 and 2. As for A Link to the Past, well its in the name.
Wind Waker's intro shows what happened after Zelda sent Adult Link back and caused him to dissappear from thar timeline. After defeating Puppet Ganon, the real Ganondorf remarks "You are indeed the Hero of Time reborn."
Twilight Princess has the Hero’s spirit who, even without the direct confirmation from HH, is still strongly implied to be the same Link from OoT and MM, given he knows the Song of Healing and was a previous weilder of the Master Sword.
BotW has a cutscene where Zelda, when giving Link the Master Sword, directly mentions every past weilder in the timeline.
Skyward Sword was always established as the furthest back in the timeline before HH's release, and the ending of that game sets up future events.
We can split hairs and nitpick about the finer details and the placement of other games all day, but there is definitely evidence of a timeline behind the scenes or at least a basic framework there.
There's a downfall timeline because one, it's the game that splits the timeline in the first place and the other Links aren't creating other timelines, and two, because the Hero’s defeat leads directly into an event known as the Imprisoning War which sets up the events of the classic games.
The placement of the games taking place after Link dying somehow making them less canon or less significant is definitely a weird take. I really don't think Nintendo views it this way, especially with Link Between Worlds being such a massive love letter to this specific era of Zelda games.
I've always found the myth that Nintendo released an official timeline specifically to get fans to stop arguing as very silly, especially with how notorious the company is for not caring about fan debates or requests.
BotW Zelda wasn't giving Link the master sword if I'm thinking of the right cutscene. Link was able to pull it at a very young age.
She was knighting him as a champion.
“My Brother in Hylia” fucking send me, dog.
Zelda songs just make me wanna cry for their value itself and everytime I play Zelda I feel nostalgic thou they weren't really a part of my childhood. I just fell in love with the tracks, everytime a new song started in your video I got the crying vibe chills again.
Your content is fantastically in depth. I loved hearing about the old triforce rumors from back in the early days of the Internet. People came up with the craziest ways to "get the triforce", it was all very nostalgic. Great work!
The background music is not “Watching this at 1 am” friendly. I love it.
i know i keep commenting on your videos but tbh i just love your icebergs sososo much! nintendo in general is a longtime special interest of mine, particularly mario and loz, and i love hearing your personal thoughts/anecdotes about the theories!! plus your videos tend to make me want to play/replay specific games (restarted oot and started pokemon pearl because of your icebergs), these just bring joy all around :-) im still saving your blair witch project for a special night where i can sit down and devote my full attention to it (found footage horror is another big interest and bwp is my favourite), but i just wanted to say i really love your videos and you seem to put a lot of care into them!!
My next video is going to be around 7 hours long, and it's so close to being done, so I hope you enjoy that one just as much!
@@NEScRETRO DANG seven hours? hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im sure ill enjoy it, cant wait :DD
Amazing video. This was my dinner entertainment for like 5 dinners straight. Love from UK.
You actually CAN get to the Fire Arrow ledge with the Longshot. You first need to get the scarecrow song and play it to make him appear. Then you can stand near the edge of the platform, close to where you would begin to fall due the slope being to steep. You have to stand pretty close to the edge, but it's certainly possible.
the way you described your experience with oot / mm as a kid really spoke to me! i remember my friends and i were constantly on the phone helping each other figure out how to progress in the game. so nostalgic
No no, you’re not understanding “OOT changed my life” and I say that in the kindest most non-confrontational manner possible.
I first played this game when I was maybe 4. The Nintendo 64 was the first console I had any real experience with, and, sure, I also played & loved other classics like Golden Eye with my brothers, Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Mario 64, Pokemon Stadium/Snap, Starfox-the list goes on. But OOT? Man, that s*** really did change my life. It’s what made me fall in love with gaming. It was the first game I would willingly skip meals or lose sleep over. It was the first game that I played so much that I had dreams about it. A game I’ve played so much to exhaustion at this point that I know it inside and out.
The open world, the colours, the models, the gameplay, the puzzles, the challenge, all to someone who had never cared much for video games before picking it up. This video game introduced me to a world [video games] that would later on become a huge part of my life. I’d even go so far as to say this game was my safe space. Having a bad day? Play OOT. Got bullied at school again? Get lost in the open world of OOT. Parents yelled at you and you felt alone? Talk to NPCs until you learned their speech word-for-word. Woke up on the wrong side of the bed? Sit in the open world and just listen to the OST.
This game made me. On top of being a huge comfort I had as a kid, it also opened up an entire franchise to me, one of which I fell in love with. The original Zelda? Classic. Skyward Sword? Link Between Worlds? /BOTW/?! Just amazing. I owe countless hours and entertaining time surfing on the web to this franchise and to this game. So many hours I spent making fan art of my own, writing innocent fan fiction, so many friends I made that I still talk to to this day. Heck, I owe my art/drawing *and* writing hobbies solely to this game. This game introduced me to a world of creativity.
And so many times, this game was the only one to wipe away my tears and encourage me to carry on, comforting me in times of tragedy. This game was my best friend growing up.
This. Game. Changed. My. Life.
@@PuffyMono I got two jobs aside from TH-cam :'(
Great video dude! You really managed to make it nice and creepy, great atmosphere. The most disturbing part was definitely seeing Adult Link run around with the double magic meter, but only 3 hearts.
50:53 You can find Gorman in the Milk Bar, exhibiting signs of intoxication. He has a blush and is hiccuping and, if that isn't enough, he flat out asks if you can get tipsy from milk. The 3DS version even adds a quest where he's feeling "sick" and his brothers make a special milk to treat him, which could be seen as alleviating the effects of a hangover.
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A little hair of the cow that bit you, eh?
The first time I incountered the Forest Temple, I was in fucking love. The music was so gorgeous. It's incredibly nostalgic for me ❤
Forest Temple, Fire Temple and Spirit Temple music is still great to listen to. Overall the music of OOT and MM is still great.
My laptop gotten messed up right when I reached the temple 😔
I know these games have been out for over 20 years but i still love seeing these types of videos about them lol. If anything we need MORE content on these games
I just looked up "chateau" and it refers to "a large French country house or castle, often giving its name to wine made in its neighborhood." Example: "Château Margaux". So I think Chateau Romani must be an alcoholic drink made from or mixed with milk. I always knew it was a name for a type of estate so the item always confused me but the association with vineyards is new info to me and now a lot of things make a whole lot more sense.
A while back I read that in an earlier stage of development, the swordplay was much more complex allowing you to do different types of slashes and manually jump. It was probably inspired by Zelda 2. But it was probably too complex so they dumbed it down to a simple three slash combo. Looks like that beta footage shows the older sword combat they worked on. It would have been pretty cool but way ahead of its time.
There definitely was a loose continuity between the games from the beginning. The entire Zelda 1 map is the southern tip of the Zelda 2 map. LttP was always said to be a distant prequel to Zelda 1. And Ocarina of Time was originally conceived as depicting the Imprisoning War mentioned in LttP. After that the continuity building was much more intentional in the main console games which I think not coincidentally coincides with Eiji Aonuma's recruitment to the Zelda dev team. After that it's pretty obvious Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were made to be sequels to Ocarina and Majora in different timeline branches, as confirmed during their development by Aonuma himself as well as in-game text.
At that point they should have put all the old school pre-OoT games into a separate parallel universe instead of relegating them to the "Downfall" branch just to make fans happy with a single timeline but to say there was no intended continuity is just a straight up mistruth. They just didn't think too deeply about it and made up the Downfall timeline when Aonuma kept adding sequels that demanded continuity while conflicting with the loose canon established earlier on. I think the Minish Cap and Four Swords games are the worst fit in the timeline and they really bent over backwards to make them fit instead of just making those games their own Four Swords universe.
I always just figured that the Downfall timeline made sense because he first used his pig beast form canonically in Ocarina, and then became used to it and grew stronger and ruled over hyrule more and more as time passed, idk just a thought 🤷
I loved this video, it was so in-depth on some of the things I noticed as a kid but never looked into. Most of my Zelda memories lie with Majora's Mask and it will probably always be one of my favourtie Zelda games. My only complaint with the video is the last part, where the music holds this really loud and constant note the whole way through. It was a bit loud and distracting when not listening with headphones and I could barely hear you over it. Other than that, great work, it was a hell of a video and I had so much fun watching that it even seemed like it was shorter than it really was!
When you said "all the kids I meet while playing Ocarina of Time (...) I no longer really talk to them or know what happened to them, and while that may sound depressing, it's just life (...) it's just the way it goes" you just proved how much influence Ocarina have on you. Remember: time passes, people move... Like a river's flow, it never ends.
One thing overlooked on the triforce menu thing, the lighting source (assuming the medallions and heart pieces are hollowed/recessed) is at the top left, leaving shadows in that same corner (again assuming a recess for the medallions and heart container) this means that there is not a hollowed out spot for the triforce, but instead a raised area as the shadows are on the bottom right section, meaning the raised portion blocks the light. I don't think I've heard anyone put this point forward, but its worth noting.
Names like "Kotake" are romanized Japanese so it's "Koh-TAH-kay" not "Koh-TAYK". Same goes for anything like "Kah-kah-REE-koh" and "Mee-KAO"
I always wondered if it was ko-tayk or ko-tah-kay. Lol
dont forget "zeh-ru-dah"
lol kotake is by no means pronounced kotah >KAY< , maybe if it were of murican origin, but originally there's no kay sound at the end. more like keh.
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@@929er13 I’m gonna blow your mind here. It’s not incorrect it’s just morphed by urban native speakers, a little like ‘water’ becomes ‘wadder’ in most forms of American English
I'm so happy you took my advice (the one I commented in your "Super Mario 64 Iceberg: A Deeper Look" video) about showing footage of what you're talking about. Seriously, it makes for a much smoother and enjoyable experience overall. Great video :)
yes! I made a point to do so, very much because of your comment lol. I hope to continue improving and making content that you, and many more can enjoy!
@@NEScRETRO It's seriously great to have a positive impact on someone ! I'm excited for your future uploads and for your channel to grow :)
There's also an interesting connection between the Gorons, Gerudos, and Ikana:
On the Road to Ikana and in the Stone Tower Temple, the player encounters an enemy called Nejiron, which essentially resemble cursed Gorons. We also find the Gorons' region in OoT and the Ikana region to be similar environments; mountain and canyon. "Death Mountain" would've also been a more appropriate name for the Ikana region. Additionally, There's Dampé, who watches over the Kakariko Graveyard in OoT and the Ikana Graveyard in MM. The Shadow Temple is the dead/undead dungeon in OoT, and it's in Kakariko, next to Death Mountain; similarly, Ikana is the dead/undead land in MM, which is a mountain/canyon environment, like Death Mountain.
Next, there's the connection between the Triforce and the Spiritual Stones along with their corresponding races: The Goron's Ruby corresponds to Din, contained in the Triforce of Power, which is obtained by Ganondorf, a Gerudo. The Gerudos also have red hair, alluding to the 'red/fire' attribute. The Gorons and Gerudos have other similarities as well; environmental (mountain/canyon and desert/valley, both dry) as well as biological (Gorons being all-male, from what I know at least, and the Gerudos being all-female with the exception of Ganondorf; male Gerudos being born every 500 years, iirc.)
Another short observation is that in the original NES LoZ, the player fights Ganon in Death Mountain.
A final similarity being the temples: the Fire Temple, Spirit Temple, and Stone Tower Temple all have some Eastern references (Fire Temple had Islamic chanting, and a "fire temple" is a place of worship in Zoroastrianism; Spirit Temple makes references to Egyptian, Persian, and Indian culture; Stone Tower Temple alludes to the Tower of Babel). There's also some similarities between the Spirit Temple and Stone Tower Temple; both are the final temple of each game, both reference symbolism of duality in some way, both allude to desertous environments, and both have bosses fought in pairs and with similar names (Twinrova and Twinmold).
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@@JJschannel255 Yeh
Maybe not insightful to the timeline, but it's worth noting that OoT seems to put a stronger emphasis on the sun while MM has a stronger emphasis on the moon.
In OoT, one of the central aspects of the game is the Temple of Time because it's the location Link uses to travel in and out of the child and adult timeframes; The symbolism found on the Door of Time and on those giant blue blocks in some of the adult dungeons depicts the sun and beams of light emanating from it. There's also the Triforce in general, with the Golden Goddesses alluding a lot to light. Taking the Master Sword also brings about Link's transition to his adult age, where he is a Hylian, and he first meets Rauru, the Light Sage, whom is also Hylian. Zelda is of course Hylian as well. A lot of emphasis on the Hylian race. Additionally, the song we learn in the Royal Family's Tomb is the "Sun's Song", which circles through the day and night cycle and stuns the ReDeads and Gibdos (alluding to 'light/life' defeating 'dark/death'). There's also the "Prelude of Light" which is the Warp Song for the Temple of Time. (The Ocarina of Time and Master Sword utilizing blue and yellow could also allude to blue skies and sunlight, along with Link and Zelda's blue eyes and blonde hair.)
Kind of a joke here, but worth interpretation as well: the overall atmosphere of OoT is more lively and uplifting, suggesting 'sunlight/daytime', while MM's overall atmosphere is despairing/depressing and revolves around death, suggesting 'moonlight/night/darkness', which fits the central theme of the cursed Majora's Moon. The Hyrule Field theme even starts with the chime of the Sun's Song and induces a feeling of adventure/excitement and utilizes more major key notes, and even Hyrule Field itself has visually brighter graphics, while the Termina Field theme utilizes more minor key notes and evokes a more 'vigilant/unsettled' feeling, and is even kind of 'cloudy/overcast' and just somewhat visually darker than Hyrule Field overall.
MM also has the quests that are completed at night, such as fighting "Them" (the aliens); more moon references.
It's also interesting how defeating Ganon in OoT restores light (sunlight) to the Kingdom of Hyrule, while defeating Majora restores the natural state of the moon.
Another kind of joke-y interpretation: the name "Majora's Mask" and central theme of the moon could be referring to a solar eclipse, where the moon 'masks' the sun in a sense.
45:32 the reason for the dance troupe hint was because if you wore certain masks (can't remember which ones) in Ikana Castle the ReDeads would just dance around rather than attack you. It was a hint to make that mini dungeon easier rather than just adding to lore.
Gibdo mask
@@gravy7861_ I believe Garo mask works too, I don’t remember what the 3rd mask is
You’re genuinely a great creator, I enjoy your voice and the way in which you speak. Incredibly in depth and comprehensive, we all appreciate it.
Dang man, i grew up on these games. My older brother had the gamecube collection so i loved these games, even when i didnt know what to do. Of course now, ive replayed these games too many times to count. Majoras mask is my favorite game ever, so this list hit different. Thank you
A theory about bootstrap paradoxes like that are that they are the result of a long line of variances. Initially, there was now song, and kid Link met them man, playing random notes. The man tell adult Link of said annoying random notes, prompting him to do the same to get a certain reaction or some such. When he goes pack, he plays different notes than initially due to the man not remembering the noise so well. This repeats, each time changing the notes slightly, over and over and over and over and over, until eventually the man thinks that the notes are a song, and begins to remember them slightly better. Knowing that it’s a song, though without the trauma of a sudden indoor storm, means the memory is still very weak, so the song, too, changes slightly each time this loop happens. Each time Link goes back, he plays an unknown song, based off of the poorly remember notes that the man gave him as an adult. Eventually, the notes line up just right to be the song of storms, and the resulting trauma of an INDOOR STORM burns the song into his mind, resulting in the loop as it is now.
The eye in the Fused Shadows is the same as Majora's Mask, there's also a Sheikah eye on the back too. I've always wondered what the lore implications were.
The implication is that terminian shiekah sorcerers grew envious of hylian divinity and sought to.invade the realm of the gods and became dark interlopers of war fueled by their superiority complex. They met their fate at the hands of the light spirits when they were banished to a gap between light and dark, the twilight realm.
In a twist of fate, one lone descendant of this dark tribe came closer than any of his kind to achieving his ancestors sinister goal, a destined recipient of a fragment of the golden goddesses power would also be exiled to the mysterious gap between dimensions for similar heretic crimes, ganondorf the king of thieves would manipulate and possess the man known only as zant and offer the hopeless and banished society a glimpse of true divine retribution.
On a more tinfoil hat side note, some speculate the dimensional invasion had inside assistance by friendly shiekah who betrayed the royalty of hyrule and sided with their terminian mask-wielding counterparts after growing tired of serving the relatively helpless royal family for countless millennia thus explaining the distrust we see between shiekah and the royal family after the events of the interloper war, the secrecy surrounding the mask of truth in ocarina of time, evidence of conspirators and traitorous shiekah like bongo bongo as well as a general plot to control or should I say, understanding the shiekah people had of their technological and tactical superiority over the kingdom of hyrule as well as many other curiosities between the shiekah and the royal family pre and post-interloper war.
Conclusion: a plot to steal the triforce was lead by a clan of mask wielding sorcerers and aided by the shiekah, it resulted in the dissolution of the divine pact the shiekah had with the royal family to protect the chosen ones eventually leading to the downfall of the kingdom as seen in twilight princess when the protectors of the royal simply were not present to intervene due to being exiled during the attack giving the plot against the gods one final chance to be fulfilled.