@drtaimur rehman u should make clips of the videos so people come for the long form interview this is a must . if u really want to spread ur message . short clips make people think n then some will go for the longer version.
@@Taimur_Laal great. Want to thank you both for starting this. Ammar and you mention so many books and the writers, is it possible that you can show these books or at least put it in the description so that if anyone wanted to explore more and can dig into it. 🙏
Undoubtedly this is one of the best insight podcasts we have currently. We lack Intellectual Honest people! Advice, please mention the list of topics you will discuss and share the links or references you guys mention. E.g. The Harrod-Domar model, Habib Jalib, Dr. Mehboob ul Haq report, etc...
How can we broadened the horizon of our youth to assimilate such critical analysis.and response,as majority of Pakistani youth have no critical thinking skills.
Sirs: Enjoyed the podcast and learned a few things. Also, agreed with a few and disagreed with some points. Looking forward to such future podcasts. I am interested in the "nationalization" area for clarity. By the way, BUSH nationalizing the US airline industry? Heck no, not the way nationalization happened in Pakistan. Apples and cucumbers in my opinion.
Resplendent podcast. Since a get to know about taimur rahman and amar ai jan, l had this very longing to hear these two progressive together. Thanks amar and taimur for such a beautiful podcast initiative. I hope it will continue and thus shall we will learn more and more about progressive socialism 😊
سوال۔ قدرتی وسائل پر حق ملکیت مقامی عوام کا ہے یا صوبے کا یا وفاقی حکومت کا؟ عوام کا عمومی رجحان یہ ہے کہ پٹرول، لوہا، گیس وغیرہ نکل آئی ہے اب انہیں بنا کسی خدمت کے رائلٹی دی جائے۔ صحیح نقطہ نظر کیا ہے۔ وضاحت فرمائیں
Loved the last session, can you respond on following argument please? The argument: "Secularism is fighting a lost battle" - Ghamidi Explanation: Secularism in the West was justified because it opposed the authority of the Church, an institution without a true religious foundation. Saint Paul had already abolished the Biblical law (Sharia), so what remained was the Church's dominance, which lacked any genuine religious basis. In contrast, in Islamic countries, secularists are engaged in a losing battle. The struggle here is not against religious leaders, such as mullahs (whom I also dislike), or any other authority. Instead, the conflict is with the Quran and its Sharia, which no one-neither individuals like Saint Paul nor any Muslim community-has dared to challenge over the past 1,400 years. As a result, whether or not one believes in Islam, any attempt to fight against it in Islamic countries is ultimately futile. More on this by Ghamidi here: th-cam.com/video/GF-Y_WlMoWY/w-d-xo.html Full lecture here: th-cam.com/video/PTVKneoI9Co/w-d-xo.html
Agreed. That's why it is important to expose the lies of Islam. The truth is like all other religions Islam is also a man made phenomenon and a very dogmatic and tribal one.
@@Taimur_LaalThank you for replying. I would love you to respond to his arguments point by point which he has mentioned in his detailed video that I put the link to in my last comment. I wasn't able to find any great counter narrative to what he had said and I really believe you can help me with this apparent confusion. Thanks again!
Very good conversation and analysis, my major problem however is, that when you view all these events retrospectively and don’t draw parallels between what is happening in Pakistan currently, makes you irrelevant. Jo jo ap ne mention kiya esp post 1971, yeh SAB KA SAB abhi ki “state” ker rahi hai, but haram hai k app je ya Ammar ne eik dafa bhi parallel draw kiya ho. Venezuela ki election rigging is rigging and must be talked about at least 4/5 times in the show but Feb 8th🤥 uska zikr tk nahi. Again like I said, these intellectual dishonesties make this whole discussion irrelevant for عام آدمی۔ like myself.
عمار علی جان کے مطابق محبوب الحق نے 22 خاندانوں کو expose کیا، جبکہ میری یاداشت کے مطابق ان سے کہیں پہلے شبلی بی کام کی 22 سرمایہ دار خاندانوں اور دیہی خداؤں پر کتب شائع ہو چکی تھیں۔ از راہِ کرم اصل صورتحال واضح فرمائیں۔ ڈاکٹر تیمور کی حیران ہونے کی اداکاری، ان کی علمیت کے پس منظر میں مصنوعی محسوس ہوتی ہے۔
Two things can be true at the same time. While nationalization of assets in public interest was needed and done, continued ownership of the industry by the state and not communities itself did result in a decline in manufacturing culture in Pakistan. Today we don't manufacture anything other than what local artisans and trade people can produce by hand. This is despite that we have more educated engineers than ever before. It would be good to see a harsher realistic critique of post nationalization policies
sir, there is no like button just showing a dislike button I looked in just an hour, and your video has reached 126 dislikes. viewers instead of pressing the like button, are pressing dislike, or this only happens to me.
A sindhi wants socialism in Pakistan but capatalism in india.. Sir socialism specially authoritarian socialism is never good for minority.. Wese hi muhajirs ko naukari nai milti government ki aap private bhi nai karne do. . Aese to koi adani ambani Pakistan se nai ajega.. Aur muhajirs Pakistan chorne pe majbur hojahenge because we dont trust sindh government. Thanks
I know they are describing Pakistan, but my heart says they are describing India. When will Indian students feel angry enough to act, as Bangladeshi students have?
Bangladeshi students had no other choice trust me! They killed 6 students in the first day in peaceful protests. When more students joined in, they cracked on more and killed many more students! And just to kill a massive number of students without any accountability they shut off internet all over the country. And although still this date they say officially about 900 students and common people were killed, actually the killed many more! Do you know they used helicopters with snipers to shoot our civilians in the head when internet was cut off? We still found it out cause we were outside of the country and various videos in social media were emerging eventually. And after about 5 days they thought they had killed enough people to scare and scatter the students. And then people kind of paused it but hasina did not let it slide like her usual self. Every Bangladedhi knows that if you are in the hit list of Hasina, you will either go today fighting her or you will go in the middle of the night some days later when you keep silent. And she was doing exactly that. About 20k students were abducted, arrested in various cases and abducted and killed in the middle of the nights from their homes after they paused! So now if you give the choice to someone, where they have to march on the roads and protest with the risk of getting shot in the head but there may be still a 50 percent chance of you winning and getting the dictator out, and another choice where you do nothing, sit silent and you will be killed and abducted in the middle of the night and there is no chance of getting the dictator out, which would you choose then? It really was death for them in all sides, so the best they can do was march ahead and take the risk, which still had some chances of getting the dictator out!
Taimur sir with all due respect ap aur ap ki sooch sy mutafiq communists/Marxists kaisy democracy py baat krr skty Hain jb k communish ki foundation he dictatorship of poor people upon rich people hai?😅 Socialists phir bhii baat krr skty Hain democracy py kion k there are present examples of socialists democratic countries like Sweden etc. Sir I really wish ap k Saath koii online QnA session hoo skay jis sy mery zehn mein joh questions Hain inn saarii philosophies sy related woh pooch skon aur ap k intellect sy faida utha skon.
What you are terming a democracy is in effect dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. It is only in response to that that Marxists talk of dictatorship of the proletariat and it is not something that springs forth out of nothing. Lenin answers your question in his book 'State and Revolution': "Bourgeois states are most varied in form, but their essence is the same: all these states, whatever their form, in the final analysis are inevitably the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie." Furthermore, this bourgeois democracy is only for the exploiting minority where the majority is kept suppressed. Later in the same text Lenin states: "And so in capitalist society we have a democracy that is curtailed, wretched, false, a democracy only for the rich, for the minority. The dictatorship of the proletariat, the period of transition to communism, will for the first time create democracy for the people, for the majority, along with the necessary suppression of the exploiters, of the minority."
@@aslaan.s brother my point is the so called democracy of capitalist society is way better than the autocratic regime system in communism. I am just talking about democracy not whole capitalism. Yes commies and socies are right capitalists have it's faults but so does communism. I don't care what lennin wrote in his book. The only thing that matters is that when he got power in Russia he used brutality to suppress the opposing voices and made Russia one party state just like today's China. There is no place of disagreement, difference of opinion in an autocratic state like commies and people are fed with whatever propaganda the state wants through out their lives. There can be no intellectual or personal growth in such states.
@@alhanrauf6455 the dictatorship of the proletariat is a temporary phenomena in transition towards socialism. It is not a permanent condition like the bourgeois concept of dictatorship. Understanding the concept of democracy by keeping the notion of bourgeois democracy is a skewed understanding of socialist form of democracy. Unlike the democracy of the few in bourgeois notions, democracy is very much different in socialist terms, it is the democracy for all.
@@kifayatullah0 one thing history tells us is once a dictator comes in power he never wants to leave it. I am also a bit inclined towards Democratic socialism but it is a big no from me for communism till now. I am still exploring communism.
In Pakistan communism cannot work because the Army will be in control which is already in control so nothing would change. Socialism is the future where people of Pakistan see themselves where all the power and money won't be in the hand of military only and civilians will be part of the government too! Because when control is in military hand that happens nothing is transferred to the general public because Pakistani Military has elitist habits with a capitalistic mindset. So communism is not workable in Pakistan because of Pakistan Military elitist mindset where they want to control everything benefit only themselves will run all corporate industrial and agricultural system making public work for them as peasants. Then no one can ask from them for any rights. Even China which started as communism moved towards socialism because local population was not getting benefits as all the money was benefited by some people their leaders gradually moved towards socialism. The only reason Pakistan Army is ready to move towards China model is having power control and money in their hands. Then they won't care if they run that model through capitalism instead of communism or socialism. What they seek is total control of the economy!
@@krishnavishwakarma1969 one can't justify dictatorships for fighting capitalism it should be ideological why does the common man have to give up his freedom in this war
@@farooqme19 What you are referring to is a symptom resulting from imperialist aggression. You might want to look up histories of these socialist countries and the objective conditions they survived through. Each country that experienced a socialist revolution was faced by invasions followed by crippling sanctions. USSR, China, Korea, Cuba and Vietnam all faced invasions and sanctions in case you were unaware. To deal effectively with such existential threats these states became much more centralized, having learnt the lessons from the experiences of the Paris Commune of 1871. Though in the case of USSR, CIA acknowledged the fact that it was no dictatorship but rather a 'collective leadership': www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf Venezuela is also under sanctions and the US has been deliberately engaging in destabilizing it in order to topple its socialist government. In any case, Venezuela has multi-party elections so I am not sure where your accusation of it being a dictatorship comes from. I suppose you don't have any issues if there are attempts to strangle the people of these countries from the outset. What freedom are you talking about exactly in pre-socialist societies that a common man may have had to give up? Before the revolution these countries faced famines, diseases, illiteracy, unemployment, extraction of surplus by colonial and corporate entities among other things. After the revolution, these same socialist countries, that had been backwards in terms of development compared to the west, advanced more freedoms to their people than any of the capitalist countries. Famines became a thing of the past, near complete literacy was achieved through universal free education, model healthcare was established that raised life expectancy greatly, free housing was provided to those who earlier did not have it, land was distributed amongst the peasantry, hardly any inflation in the economy, a 40 hour working week, rise in wages and close to no unemployment improved the lot of the working people, as well as the considerable decision making powers for the working people at the workplaces spread democracy to the workplaces etc. On top of that, these socialist countries achieved all these freedoms for its people without exploiting the third world countries which is exactly what the capitalist countries did, denying the vast majority of humanity its freedom in the process.
sir recently meri fsc huwi hay i wanted to become mbbs doctor lakin meray fsc may marks kumhay i will repeat mdcat next year but to be in safe zone I have interest in this subject political science too ,please guide me about this ,but my parents are saying kay agr mdcat na huwa agli dafa or phir political science ki degree ka kia karo gin and they are saying kay koi scope nahi plz guide me I am in delimma kay uni may admission lay loon kue kay agr sciences may bs karo gin to un may mujay interest bhi nahi hay or phir mujay wo mdcat ki tiari kay liye itna time bhi nahi dayngi ,sir plz guide me ,there is no one to guide me thanks!!
I think you must pursue some technical degree like mbbs, bds etc. Natural science has no scope in Pakistan specially if you take your degree from public sector universities.
I am loving this podcast. Being introduced to Dr. Ammar Ali Jan, is amazing.
This is the number one podcast of two leading socialist intellectual..
@drtaimur rehman u should make clips of the videos so people come for the long form interview this is a must . if u really want to spread ur message . short clips make people think n then some will go for the longer version.
Good suggestion
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TH-cam shorts game may entry zaroori hai Red Room k liye
direly needed this kind of podcast
2 professors, absolutely worth watching !
Dr Ammar and Dr Timoor, two legends, two mentors ❤
Bahut hi Shaandaar Gallbaat 🙏👍✊🙏
Dr Taimoor ki voice i dont know seems different (pitch) but Dr Ammar's voice is so clear and good to hear. please do something about it.
I"ve sent your feedback to the production team. Hopefully it will be better in the next episode.
@@Taimur_Laal great. Want to thank you both for starting this. Ammar and you mention so many books and the writers, is it possible that you can show these books or at least put it in the description so that if anyone wanted to explore more and can dig into it. 🙏
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Great content. Keep it coming!
That’s amazing podcast, I much appreciate both you and learning a lot. Love from Uk ❤❤
It is very good podcast. Here revealed most of aspect of truth. Thanks
A pleasure to hear intelligent conversation
Very educative.Thanks Mr.lal and his ver knowledgeable friend.
Amazing and mind blowing podcast! Please keep it up! 💖
Lovely, blessings to hear you both.
Excellent Podcast
Dr Ammar Ali Jan is love❤
Thanks for the analyses
Amazing discussion ❤❤❤
Undoubtedly this is one of the best insight podcasts we have currently.
We lack Intellectual Honest people!
Advice, please mention the list of topics you will discuss and share the links or references you guys mention. E.g. The Harrod-Domar model, Habib Jalib, Dr. Mehboob ul Haq report, etc...
This is great - straight forward discussion no Lara Lupa no Haee Haye ! ✊🏽
My teacher taimur rehman saab❤
It's a great learning platform. One suggestion plz Also share some reading materials relevant to Podcast Topics relevant
Very informative.
Thank you . Enlightening.
Ammar ali jan is such an amazing person. 🫡
Dr. Taimur, visit our small poor state Bangladesh. We want to see you in Bangladesh. See our lives and struggles. You are welcome 💛
Bangladesh is a poor state? Then what is Pakistan?
@@TZovro We are called poor, so, may it is definitely...
@@ABDULLAHMOHAMMEDFAISAL lool 😂 greenery to hai Pakistan mai to wo bhi nahi hai…
Wah bhai wah Amar Ali Jaan zindahbad Taimur Sir zindabaad
thank u sir
My leader Dr Ammar
Love you both sir❤❤❤❤❤❤
Watching you is just like watching Netflix ❤
Good work
Only political analysis that everyone needs to watch in Pakistan.
Love your talk.you people are making me believe that we still have brains lwft in pakiatan
please make video on ghulam Ahmad parvez
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Very interesting debit
Respect
Amazing dr saab... Aap ney tho Mera Pora prospective hi change kardeya inn 2 episodes mey.
❤ from Peshawar🚩
Liked your role in Dil dosti etc. Say hii to Naseer Sahab
How can we broadened the horizon of our youth to assimilate such critical analysis.and response,as majority of Pakistani youth have no critical thinking skills.
Sirs: Enjoyed the podcast and learned a few things. Also, agreed with a few and disagreed with some points. Looking forward to such future podcasts. I am interested in the "nationalization" area for clarity. By the way, BUSH nationalizing the US airline industry? Heck no, not the way nationalization happened in Pakistan. Apples and cucumbers in my opinion.
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Pleased to hear right discourse in Pakistan
You guys should interact with mobile journalist, those have progressive mind set.
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میری بس ایک ہی دعا رہے گی کہ اللّٰہ آپ دونوں کو عمران ریاض خان کی طرح اس ملک و معاشرے میں ہر دل مقبول کرے۔
اللّٰہ عمران ریاض کو اپنے پاس بلا لے جلد از جلد کیوں کے ہم اسے ذیزرؤو نہیں کرتے۔
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آپ کو ان سے پہلے جانے کی ضرورت ہے کیونکہ آپ ایک محب وطن پاکستانی کے لیے دو لفظ خیر کے نہیں پھوٹ سکتے اپنے منھ شریف سے 😊
Imran riqz ki trah ???? Yehi sahi mazey ki bat ki ap ne
کیا بات ھے مطلب کیا ہی بات ھے 😂
Legends ki bezti na kro Imran Riaz k sth compare kar k
Resplendent podcast. Since a get to know about taimur rahman and amar ai jan, l had this very longing to hear these two progressive together.
Thanks amar and taimur for such a beautiful podcast initiative. I hope it will continue and thus shall we will learn more and more about progressive socialism 😊
سوال۔ قدرتی وسائل پر حق ملکیت مقامی عوام کا ہے یا صوبے کا یا وفاقی حکومت کا؟
عوام کا عمومی رجحان یہ ہے کہ پٹرول، لوہا، گیس وغیرہ نکل آئی ہے اب انہیں بنا کسی خدمت کے رائلٹی دی جائے۔ صحیح نقطہ نظر کیا ہے۔ وضاحت فرمائیں
Asian lions . Love from India ❤
Apki awaz bhot door say aa rahi, voice quality is very low
PIA, Railways, Steel Mill are perfect examples of state run disasters.
Sir ap log Tu red room per upload Nahi Kar rahe
Plz fix sound quality, there is some problem on Dr taimur's side
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Sir...please improve sound quality
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And today we call Baluchs agents of India
Why the captions not in English?
Just turn on CC from youtube. They do autocaptions in English.
Taimor plz use collar mic
Religion+ capitalism= Democracy recent
سرکاری اداروں کی نجکاری اصل میں عوام دشمنی ہے
Sound problem. Not clear or loud 🔊📢
@@SajjadAhmad-jw3ol check your system. It seems fine here.
@@Taimur_Laal okay 🆗👍
Loved the last session, can you respond on following argument please?
The argument: "Secularism is fighting a lost battle" - Ghamidi
Explanation:
Secularism in the West was justified because it opposed the authority of the Church, an institution without a true religious foundation. Saint Paul had already abolished the Biblical law (Sharia), so what remained was the Church's dominance, which lacked any genuine religious basis.
In contrast, in Islamic countries, secularists are engaged in a losing battle. The struggle here is not against religious leaders, such as mullahs (whom I also dislike), or any other authority. Instead, the conflict is with the Quran and its Sharia, which no one-neither individuals like Saint Paul nor any Muslim community-has dared to challenge over the past 1,400 years.
As a result, whether or not one believes in Islam, any attempt to fight against it in Islamic countries is ultimately futile.
More on this by Ghamidi here:
th-cam.com/video/GF-Y_WlMoWY/w-d-xo.html
Full lecture here:
th-cam.com/video/PTVKneoI9Co/w-d-xo.html
Agreed. That's why it is important to expose the lies of Islam. The truth is like all other religions Islam is also a man made phenomenon and a very dogmatic and tribal one.
I disagree. Pakistan was developing normally till the Afghan jihad. That is what caused us to get side tracked.
There IS secularism when Pakistan has opportunistic relations with North Korea, Cuba, China... all of these socialists.
@@Taimur_LaalThank you for replying. I would love you to respond to his arguments point by point which he has mentioned in his detailed video that I put the link to in my last comment. I wasn't able to find any great counter narrative to what he had said and I really believe you can help me with this apparent confusion.
Thanks again!
Where's my comment?? Deleted!!! 😯😯
Ab Waqt Aagaya Hai Sindh Ki Azaadi Ke Liye 😲
dr taimur wearing blackstone in every podcast 😄
Blackstone? I don't understand.
Why didn't the imperial power try stopping land reforms in India?
Why is India always an exceptional case?
Send this book in pdf rule by fear
What does he mean by “experiment of colonisation”?
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Very good conversation and analysis, my major problem however is, that when you view all these events retrospectively and don’t draw parallels between what is happening in Pakistan currently, makes you irrelevant.
Jo jo ap ne mention kiya esp post 1971, yeh SAB KA SAB abhi ki “state” ker rahi hai, but haram hai k app je ya Ammar ne eik dafa bhi parallel draw kiya ho.
Venezuela ki election rigging is rigging and must be talked about at least 4/5 times in the show but Feb 8th🤥 uska zikr tk nahi.
Again like I said, these intellectual dishonesties make this whole discussion irrelevant for عام آدمی۔ like myself.
Is this ancient history that we have to draw the parallels for you? I think you are smart enough to understand.
عمار علی جان کے مطابق محبوب الحق نے 22 خاندانوں کو expose کیا، جبکہ میری یاداشت کے مطابق ان سے کہیں پہلے شبلی بی کام کی 22 سرمایہ دار خاندانوں اور دیہی خداؤں پر کتب شائع ہو چکی تھیں۔
از راہِ کرم اصل صورتحال واضح فرمائیں۔
ڈاکٹر تیمور کی حیران ہونے کی اداکاری، ان کی علمیت کے پس منظر میں مصنوعی محسوس ہوتی ہے۔
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Who's this Naseeruddin Shah lookalike?
22 were ruling , 22 families were put on ECL. I DONT get it. Who put these ruling families on ECL. There was a power above them? Who
@@KS-ib2wp Yahya.
Malik Riyaz, jahangir Tareen. 😔
Two things can be true at the same time. While nationalization of assets in public interest was needed and done, continued ownership of the industry by the state and not communities itself did result in a decline in manufacturing culture in Pakistan. Today we don't manufacture anything other than what local artisans and trade people can produce by hand. This is despite that we have more educated engineers than ever before.
It would be good to see a harsher realistic critique of post nationalization policies
22 families did not include feudals so rubbish
No one names those 22 families. Is it a top secret?
@@ShahidAli-by4iz no not a secret.
Just Google
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sir, there is no like button just showing a dislike button I looked in just an hour, and your video has reached 126 dislikes. viewers instead of pressing the like button, are pressing dislike, or this only happens to me.
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Who will buy apartment's in London.
A sindhi wants socialism in Pakistan but capatalism in india.. Sir socialism specially authoritarian socialism is never good for minority.. Wese hi muhajirs ko naukari nai milti government ki aap private bhi nai karne do. . Aese to koi adani ambani Pakistan se nai ajega.. Aur muhajirs Pakistan chorne pe majbur hojahenge because we dont trust sindh government. Thanks
I know they are describing Pakistan, but my heart says they are describing India.
When will Indian students feel angry enough to act, as Bangladeshi students have?
Bangladeshi students had no other choice trust me! They killed 6 students in the first day in peaceful protests. When more students joined in, they cracked on more and killed many more students! And just to kill a massive number of students without any accountability they shut off internet all over the country. And although still this date they say officially about 900 students and common people were killed, actually the killed many more! Do you know they used helicopters with snipers to shoot our civilians in the head when internet was cut off? We still found it out cause we were outside of the country and various videos in social media were emerging eventually. And after about 5 days they thought they had killed enough people to scare and scatter the students. And then people kind of paused it but hasina did not let it slide like her usual self. Every Bangladedhi knows that if you are in the hit list of Hasina, you will either go today fighting her or you will go in the middle of the night some days later when you keep silent. And she was doing exactly that. About 20k students were abducted, arrested in various cases and abducted and killed in the middle of the nights from their homes after they paused! So now if you give the choice to someone, where they have to march on the roads and protest with the risk of getting shot in the head but there may be still a 50 percent chance of you winning and getting the dictator out, and another choice where you do nothing, sit silent and you will be killed and abducted in the middle of the night and there is no chance of getting the dictator out, which would you choose then? It really was death for them in all sides, so the best they can do was march ahead and take the risk, which still had some chances of getting the dictator out!
Pakistan, Ukraine, Germany, Britain, above all America --do they ever give happiness or peace of mind to the otherwise peaceful world?
KISI INDIAN KAY MOH SE PEACE KA WORD SHIT JESAY LAGTAY HAI...HAHAHHA PEACE PHUL WORLD
India also
lumping pakistan with the rest of these countries is a gross misunderstanding of international relations
Why exclude India? Because you are Indian? Honestly!
Taimur sir with all due respect ap aur ap ki sooch sy mutafiq communists/Marxists kaisy democracy py baat krr skty Hain jb k communish ki foundation he dictatorship of poor people upon rich people hai?😅 Socialists phir bhii baat krr skty Hain democracy py kion k there are present examples of socialists democratic countries like Sweden etc.
Sir I really wish ap k Saath koii online QnA session hoo skay jis sy mery zehn mein joh questions Hain inn saarii philosophies sy related woh pooch skon aur ap k intellect sy faida utha skon.
What you are terming a democracy is in effect dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. It is only in response to that that Marxists talk of dictatorship of the proletariat and it is not something that springs forth out of nothing. Lenin answers your question in his book 'State and Revolution':
"Bourgeois states are most varied in form, but their essence is the same: all these states, whatever their form, in the final analysis are inevitably the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie."
Furthermore, this bourgeois democracy is only for the exploiting minority where the majority is kept suppressed. Later in the same text Lenin states:
"And so in capitalist society we have a democracy that is curtailed, wretched, false, a democracy only for the rich, for the minority. The dictatorship of the proletariat, the period of transition to communism, will for the first time create democracy for the people, for the majority, along with the necessary suppression of the exploiters, of the minority."
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@@aslaan.s brother my point is the so called democracy of capitalist society is way better than the autocratic regime system in communism. I am just talking about democracy not whole capitalism. Yes commies and socies are right capitalists have it's faults but so does communism. I don't care what lennin wrote in his book. The only thing that matters is that when he got power in Russia he used brutality to suppress the opposing voices and made Russia one party state just like today's China. There is no place of disagreement, difference of opinion in an autocratic state like commies and people are fed with whatever propaganda the state wants through out their lives. There can be no intellectual or personal growth in such states.
@@alhanrauf6455 the dictatorship of the proletariat is a temporary phenomena in transition towards socialism. It is not a permanent condition like the bourgeois concept of dictatorship. Understanding the concept of democracy by keeping the notion of bourgeois democracy is a skewed understanding of socialist form of democracy. Unlike the democracy of the few in bourgeois notions, democracy is very much different in socialist terms, it is the democracy for all.
@@kifayatullah0 one thing history tells us is once a dictator comes in power he never wants to leave it. I am also a bit inclined towards Democratic socialism but it is a big no from me for communism till now. I am still exploring communism.
In Pakistan communism cannot work because the Army will be in control which is already in control so nothing would change. Socialism is the future where people of Pakistan see themselves where all the power and money won't be in the hand of military only and civilians will be part of the government too! Because when control is in military hand that happens nothing is transferred to the general public because Pakistani Military has elitist habits with a capitalistic mindset. So communism is not workable in Pakistan because of Pakistan Military elitist mindset where they want to control everything benefit only themselves will run all corporate industrial and agricultural system making public work for them as peasants. Then no one can ask from them for any rights. Even China which started as communism moved towards socialism because local population was not getting benefits as all the money was benefited by some people their leaders gradually moved towards socialism. The only reason Pakistan Army is ready to move towards China model is having power control and money in their hands. Then they won't care if they run that model through capitalism instead of communism or socialism. What they seek is total control of the economy!
Taimur Sahab bilkul hubahu julfiqar bhutto se lagte he , bas aage se kuch bal ud jaye aur thoda agression aa Jaye.
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Why is it that countries usually end up in dictatorships after adopting Communism? (Maduro,Kim Jong UN)
To fight capitalism 🇺🇸, ruler also adopt very totalitarian regime.. it's two bad fighter
@@krishnavishwakarma1969 one can't justify dictatorships for fighting capitalism it should be ideological why does the common man have to give up his freedom in this war
Just Google whose rich. North Korea or South Korea. You will get the answer which economy works for people. From USA
@@farooqme19 What you are referring to is a symptom resulting from imperialist aggression. You might want to look up histories of these socialist countries and the objective conditions they survived through. Each country that experienced a socialist revolution was faced by invasions followed by crippling sanctions. USSR, China, Korea, Cuba and Vietnam all faced invasions and sanctions in case you were unaware. To deal effectively with such existential threats these states became much more centralized, having learnt the lessons from the experiences of the Paris Commune of 1871. Though in the case of USSR, CIA acknowledged the fact that it was no dictatorship but rather a 'collective leadership':
www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf
Venezuela is also under sanctions and the US has been deliberately engaging in destabilizing it in order to topple its socialist government. In any case, Venezuela has multi-party elections so I am not sure where your accusation of it being a dictatorship comes from. I suppose you don't have any issues if there are attempts to strangle the people of these countries from the outset.
What freedom are you talking about exactly in pre-socialist societies that a common man may have had to give up? Before the revolution these countries faced famines, diseases, illiteracy, unemployment, extraction of surplus by colonial and corporate entities among other things. After the revolution, these same socialist countries, that had been backwards in terms of development compared to the west, advanced more freedoms to their people than any of the capitalist countries. Famines became a thing of the past, near complete literacy was achieved through universal free education, model healthcare was established that raised life expectancy greatly, free housing was provided to those who earlier did not have it, land was distributed amongst the peasantry, hardly any inflation in the economy, a 40 hour working week, rise in wages and close to no unemployment improved the lot of the working people, as well as the considerable decision making powers for the working people at the workplaces spread democracy to the workplaces etc. On top of that, these socialist countries achieved all these freedoms for its people without exploiting the third world countries which is exactly what the capitalist countries did, denying the vast majority of humanity its freedom in the process.
Bhutto did carry rigging in the 77 elections. Why didn't you mentioned that. I think that is intellectual dishonesty
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sir recently meri fsc huwi hay i wanted to become mbbs doctor lakin meray fsc may marks kumhay i will repeat mdcat next year but to be in safe zone I have interest in this subject political science too ,please guide me about this ,but my parents are saying kay agr mdcat na huwa agli dafa or phir political science ki degree ka kia karo gin and they are saying kay koi scope nahi plz guide me I am in delimma kay uni may admission lay loon kue kay agr sciences may bs karo gin to un may mujay interest bhi nahi hay or phir mujay wo mdcat ki tiari kay liye itna time bhi nahi dayngi ,sir plz guide me ,there is no one to guide me thanks!!
I think you must pursue some technical degree like mbbs, bds etc. Natural science has no scope in Pakistan specially if you take your degree from public sector universities.
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