I request both respected teachers to continue these sessions to let the youth know actual history which is manipulated in educational material, huge respect & prayers for both of you
Dr Aman Ali Jan is a gem of a person. He is one of the big political intellectuals of our time. Very informativesession and a great series of podcasts.
Great initiative! I am learning a lot from both of you. One thing I would like to see would be a book list in the description, maybe? Both of you mention a number of texts and I have to pause the video and note down the name of the book. Would be a big help if you could list the books mentioned in the video so I can listen uninterrupted and then check out the books for a deeper dive!
شاندار اور جاندار ! اللّٰہ خوش رکھے آپ دونوں پاکستان کا اصل سرمایہ ہیں!! اپنی وی لاگ میں اس طرح کی eye opener ڈسکشن کے بعد اسی موضوع سے متعلق books اور سورسس وغیرہ بھی recommend کر دیں تو ہم غریبوں کا بھی بھت بھلا ہوگا ! ابوبکر گلگت بلتستان
25:51 I guess Ammar is talking about a chapter on politics of Pakistan from Aijaz Ahmed’s book ‘Lineages of the Present’ about South Asian Polity. . I read it 3-4 months ago. Good book
Ammar ali jan is a rationale and intellectual person, always talk with fact and figures. Knowledge based is so strong❤ on the other hand sir lal is my favorite in all circumstances!
This podcast is a great idea and I am looking forward to future episodes. Can the microphone be placed slightly closer to Dr. Taimur? It is picking up the echo.
Though Bhutto started with good intention,his authoritarian style of governance earned him so many enemies.His constitutional amendment to his own Constitution speak volume about his struggle to consolidate power in his own hands.
Two handsome progressive intellectuals are seen in very good discussion but it is just an informative. What is opinion about the Nationalization done by Bhutto sb? Did it really benefit the poor people of Pakistan? What did it impact on economy of Pakistan?
Sir podcast was fantastic, but as viewer of your podcast i want to suggest you to make outline and discuss topics completely, many things and sentences were incomplete, and this things creates ambiguity
Main baain bazo ka aawaz bunland karnay kay mission wazih tor par kartay aaay hain. Aap kay sath bolnay wala pakistan ki sarmayadarun or zalim javgirdarun kee makarion ki tarikh koujagar karnay walay nojawan sarmaya baraaay pakistN kitab ka khub surat or khub surat himat rakhnay walay nay hamin samjhaya to main aap donumn ko dilli salam paish karta hun. tum donun kayliyeh yeh assi sala burhadast ba duaa hay. Dua yeh bhi hay keh Allah pak aap ko or is piyaray nojawan ko insani millat ya millati insaniya ki khidmat kayliyeh lambi umau ata farmaay. Or phir mujhay in rajaat pasandun kay samnay daikhay kayliyeh umar day or bas. Aamin.
I watched the whole video with great interest because I’m reading a book which is linked with zia but still dr Ammar did not clarify the topic of this video thoroughly.
Interesting episode, why don't you also make an episode on whether Communists actually supported the Pakistan movement and why when it was mainly supported by big landlords to avoid land reforms?
Exactly you are right haqiqi man'no main usi kaminay nay badal kar kay rakh dia is ma'ashray ko, aur voh hamaray ander sarayat kar chuka hay, bura kahtay hua'y bhi hum usi par chal rahay hain😢
So basically Bhutto and Imran khan similar and in the same position. 😮 kind of scary. Where Pakistani military stands with money or public . With Israel or without . Behind close door what happens in Pakistan no one knows . Then you wonder why no Swiss accounts opened by Bhutto and imran khan . But definitely zillions of Swiss accounts by everyone in leadership and army leadership of Pakistan 😂😂
Sir mjha abhi tk yah smjh ay ha. 1) Bhutto Govt anti-america thi, js ki wja sa America na Bhutto ki opposition ko use Kya Bhutto ka against. 2) us wqt ki opposition na religion card khyl ka Bhutto ka Patta saaf Kya American order pa. 3) communist labors or gharib community ko represent krta Hein or un ki govt bnana Chahta Hein. 4) Jb bhi Pakistan ترقی or خودمختاری kra ga to America opposition yah establishment ka through Religion Card khyl ka development ka jabaza nkal da gi. (Kkya mein ksi hud tk theek smjha Hoon? 😊 )
Why not mention the surveiling techniques and curtailing of rights that happened in Bhutto's era? I think it's important to see the fascist tendencies in Bhutto's populism One reason for Imran Khan's prominence especially among the youth is how he used digital technology. Bhutto had his own means too. That was later employed by the establishment by using Islamization. I think that deserves more attention before coming to the generalist explanation of narrating events.
Dukh yeh hai benazir ne APne Abu ki legacy ko le kar NHI chalie. Sirf Apne mafad par Pakistan ko becha AUR bilkul opposite position rakhi zulifqar ke mutable. AUR hum benazir Jo ke jageerdar bradri ko support Karti thi heroine BNA kar rakha hai
I often listened to the University of Nibraska sallybus on Afgan Jihad but never found the material on the internet. Seems like a conspiracy by the left.
@@Taimur_Laal with due respect it is a very lazy answer by you. Egypt pyramids were made 4000 years ago before the creation of the internet , with your logic there should never be a reading material or picture of the pyramid. I also often listened to ANP and Muzammil shah that this material was used to change the mind set of Pashtuns. Right has that luxury to make any comment and do propaganda on it but left has to be more scientific when making claims. If some one from left has kept the evidence and made it public then it would be a great service to Pakistan and their religion . From 1980 when this project started I often wonder there was not a single person from left who tried to document all these jihadi sallybus and made it public in the age of internet. It will change the political fabric of pakistan. Right now there is no room for left politics in Pakistan. In a normal country parties like PTI and PMLN would be the parties of the left but due to the social structure of Pakistani society they are compelled to use Islamic touch. I am 36 year old guy and what I realized now as a political party you can never be win the heart and mind of people of Pakistan without using islam. I can write lots of lots of lines on that but you have to understand people from left need use Islam in a right way in Pakistan to gain their footing in Pakistani politics. And to defeat the wrong jihadi propaganda you need to come up with the evidence of that sllaybus. It will have a huge effect on young Pakistanis.
One was sufficient know you are 2 It is difficult to save Pakistan from you as generals wish Pakistan to be...... Advance good bye to Hafiz Muneer 9 start general by himself
General want Pakistan to look like Eritrea. You meant Asim Muneer whose after paneer in his Swiss accounts . Making Mula by false arrests and collecting bail money 😂😂
Bhuto himself is responsible for his downfall. And his fall landed the country in mess which we are still suffering from unwittingly he is responsible for the failure of sour revolution of Afghanistan. Had he not created the circumstances for zia' coup,politics of the region would have been different ,and in the right direction.
Cpim general secretary comrade sitaram yechury has passed away..... red salute to comrade ✊
अफ़सोस, जनाब येचुरी के जाने से लेफ्ट को बड़ा झटका लगा है । बड़ी मुश्किल से होता है चमन में दीदावर पैदा।
I request both respected teachers to continue these sessions to let the youth know actual history which is manipulated in educational material, huge respect & prayers for both of you
Dr Aman Ali Jan is a gem of a person. He is one of the big political intellectuals of our time.
Very informativesession and a great series of podcasts.
Dr. Taimoor, Sir you are an amazing anchor. Dr. Ammar, Sir hats off to you. Keep going and growing this laal discussion.
The only credit I deserve is that I actually listen :)
Dr. Ammar is a delight to listen to. Keep it coming.
This show must continue regardless of how many views and attention it gets.
Dr Taimur Rahman is a well read professor and his vlogs are based on good information and good research. I try to watch all of his vlogs
Simply awesome, i can listen to this stuff for 10hrs
Great initiative! I am learning a lot from both of you. One thing I would like to see would be a book list in the description, maybe? Both of you mention a number of texts and I have to pause the video and note down the name of the book. Would be a big help if you could list the books mentioned in the video so I can listen uninterrupted and then check out the books for a deeper dive!
Could you please share that list!
@@beepboop7880 The Vanguard of the Islamic Revolution by Vali Nasr, Surkh Salam by Kamran Asdar Ali, Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile
its nice to see that intellectual discussion between two intellectual comrades
شاندار اور جاندار ! اللّٰہ خوش رکھے آپ دونوں پاکستان کا اصل سرمایہ ہیں!! اپنی وی لاگ میں اس طرح کی eye opener ڈسکشن کے بعد اسی موضوع سے متعلق books اور سورسس وغیرہ بھی recommend کر دیں تو ہم غریبوں کا بھی بھت بھلا ہوگا ! ابوبکر گلگت بلتستان
Genuinely enjoyed the genuine and genius discussion ❤ looking forward to many more such a fecund discourse 👏🏻
25:51 I guess Ammar is talking about a chapter on politics of Pakistan from Aijaz Ahmed’s book ‘Lineages of the Present’ about South Asian Polity. . I read it 3-4 months ago. Good book
Ammar ali jan is a rationale and intellectual person, always talk with fact and figures. Knowledge based is so strong❤ on the other hand sir lal is my favorite in all circumstances!
Excellent analysis
Views on your videos are increasing 👌
Keep it up❤
Interesting information
Thank you for your service both of you
Happy to see u n listen
Ammar Jan aap Dr ban ga'y, Wow ❤ zabardast
Wonderful initiative!
thank you for brining the new episode.
This podcast is a great idea and I am looking forward to future episodes. Can the microphone be placed slightly closer to Dr. Taimur? It is picking up the echo.
Informative discussion
Thank you sir
Great analysis.plz vlog about how left together in pakistan in present days.
Great intellectuals
Good discussion, some discussion on left movement in Pakistan after 1947 and Gadar party movement
Best Duo!
Though Bhutto started with good intention,his authoritarian style of governance earned him so many enemies.His constitutional amendment to his own Constitution speak volume about his struggle to consolidate power in his own hands.
Elite, Mullahs, and Baloch Pushtuns nationalists hated him.
@@Taimur_LaalHazrat Sindhi was not a Socialist Taimur Comrade
45:20 دل دہلا دینے والی حقیقت 😢
Bohot khoob
Continue doing these podcasts…
Great❤
I wanna do something practically for left please guide.
We need help spreading our ideas through social media. Can you help with that?
@@Taimur_Laal yes offcourse, I am already doing this in my surroundings
@@Zeb_hun_yrr need your help to amplify it.
@@Taimur_Laal Can you please let us know how we can help?.
Love you sir left i am commonest
آپ کا یہ آئیڈیا مہمان - مہمان والا اچھا ہے ۔برقہ کرم آئندہ اوائیڈ کیجئیے گا
Please make a programe on Saur Revolution.
Two handsome progressive intellectuals are seen in very good discussion but it is just an informative.
What is opinion about the Nationalization done by Bhutto sb? Did it really benefit the poor people of Pakistan? What did it impact on economy of Pakistan?
Please impove your mic quality.
First 🥇...heheh😅
بلوچستان میں آپریشن کے خلاف پنجاب میں کس نے آواز اٹھاٸ تھی۔۔ کچھ ریفرنس دے سکتے ہیں?
Taimur paji tinn episode ho gaye ne, tuhada audio halle vi theek ni hoya... Ah vi CIA di sajish ta ni ? 😢😂
KGB ka faliure😂
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Sir podcast was fantastic, but as viewer of your podcast i want to suggest you to make outline and discuss topics completely, many things and sentences were incomplete, and this things creates ambiguity
Main baain bazo ka aawaz bunland karnay kay mission wazih tor par kartay aaay hain. Aap kay sath bolnay wala pakistan ki sarmayadarun or zalim javgirdarun kee makarion ki tarikh koujagar karnay walay nojawan sarmaya baraaay pakistN kitab ka khub surat or khub surat himat rakhnay walay nay hamin samjhaya to main aap donumn ko dilli salam paish karta hun. tum donun kayliyeh yeh assi sala burhadast ba duaa hay. Dua yeh bhi hay keh Allah pak aap ko or is piyaray nojawan ko insani millat ya millati insaniya ki khidmat kayliyeh lambi umau ata farmaay. Or phir mujhay in rajaat pasandun kay samnay daikhay kayliyeh umar day or bas. Aamin.
I watched the whole video with great interest because I’m reading a book which is linked with zia but still dr Ammar did not clarify the topic of this video thoroughly.
Interesting episode, why don't you also make an episode on whether Communists actually supported the Pakistan movement and why when it was mainly supported by big landlords to avoid land reforms?
Sir deadly waiting for political Islam
Taimoors mic is not working
Exactly you are right haqiqi man'no main usi kaminay nay badal kar kay rakh dia is ma'ashray ko, aur voh hamaray ander sarayat kar chuka hay, bura kahtay hua'y bhi hum usi par chal rahay hain😢
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So basically Bhutto and Imran khan similar and in the same position. 😮 kind of scary. Where Pakistani military stands with money or public . With Israel or without . Behind close door what happens in Pakistan no one knows . Then you wonder why no Swiss accounts opened by Bhutto and imran khan . But definitely zillions of Swiss accounts by everyone in leadership and army leadership of Pakistan 😂😂
army was against Bhutto 😢😢
army is against Imran Khan 😢😢
Basically army serves USA's interests, rightly said paid mercenaries
Hazrat Sindhi was not Socialist Taimur Comrade
Weak minds and limited thinkers doesn't have stomach for digesting these gossips .
😍
Sir mjha abhi tk yah smjh ay ha.
1) Bhutto Govt anti-america thi, js ki wja sa America na Bhutto ki opposition ko use Kya Bhutto ka against.
2) us wqt ki opposition na religion card khyl ka Bhutto ka Patta saaf Kya American order pa.
3) communist labors or gharib community ko represent krta Hein or un ki govt bnana Chahta Hein.
4) Jb bhi Pakistan ترقی or خودمختاری kra ga to America opposition yah establishment ka through Religion Card khyl ka development ka jabaza nkal da gi.
(Kkya mein ksi hud tk theek smjha Hoon? 😊 )
Why not mention the surveiling techniques and curtailing of rights that happened in Bhutto's era? I think it's important to see the fascist tendencies in Bhutto's populism
One reason for Imran Khan's prominence especially among the youth is how he used digital technology. Bhutto had his own means too. That was later employed by the establishment by using Islamization. I think that deserves more attention before coming to the generalist explanation of narrating events.
Col Oliver Nath.???
😢
Sir,General Zia's revolution cemented the vision of Mr Jinnah..
Lie
Comred sitaram yechuri red sellutte
Dukh yeh hai benazir ne APne Abu ki legacy ko le kar NHI chalie. Sirf Apne mafad par Pakistan ko becha AUR bilkul opposite position rakhi zulifqar ke mutable. AUR hum benazir Jo ke jageerdar bradri ko support Karti thi heroine BNA kar rakha hai
Islam is political, better term is Weaponized islam.
I often listened to the University of Nibraska sallybus on Afgan Jihad but never found the material on the internet. Seems like a conspiracy by the left.
@@asadullahbappi3763 why would you find the material on the net? It was printed at a time when the internet did not exist.
Yes . Why did he waited so long to grasp the reality. Lol your comment made me chukle @@Taimur_Laal
@@Taimur_Laal with due respect it is a very lazy answer by you. Egypt pyramids were made 4000 years ago before the creation of the internet , with your logic there should never be a reading material or picture of the pyramid. I also often listened to ANP and Muzammil shah that this material was used to change the mind set of Pashtuns. Right has that luxury to make any comment and do propaganda on it but left has to be more scientific when making claims. If some one from left has kept the evidence and made it public then it would be a great service to Pakistan and their religion . From 1980 when this project started I often wonder there was not a single person from left who tried to document all these jihadi sallybus and made it public in the age of internet. It will change the political fabric of pakistan. Right now there is no room for left politics in Pakistan. In a normal country parties like PTI and PMLN would be the parties of the left but due to the social structure of Pakistani society they are compelled to use Islamic touch. I am 36 year old guy and what I realized now as a political party you can never be win the heart and mind of people of Pakistan without using islam. I can write lots of lots of lines on that but you have to understand people from left need use Islam in a right way in Pakistan to gain their footing in Pakistani politics. And to defeat the wrong jihadi propaganda you need to come up with the evidence of that sllaybus. It will have a huge effect on young Pakistanis.
@@asadullahbappi3763 please read.
www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/03/23/from-us-the-abcs-of-jihad/d079075a-3ed3-4030-9a96-0d48f6355e54/
Again .. just criticizing capitalism and Middle eastern monarchies are not enough
Tell us what happened where leftist or socialist came into power ?
communist never cease to entertain
One was sufficient know you are 2 It is difficult to save Pakistan from you as generals wish Pakistan to be...... Advance good bye to Hafiz Muneer 9 start general by himself
General want Pakistan to look like Eritrea.
You meant Asim Muneer whose after paneer in his Swiss accounts . Making Mula by false arrests and collecting bail money 😂😂
Bhuto himself is responsible for his downfall. And his fall landed the country in mess which we are still suffering from unwittingly he is responsible for the failure of sour revolution of Afghanistan. Had he not created the circumstances for zia' coup,politics of the region would have been different ,and in the right direction.
In secular logo ko Islam se bahot taklif ha. Aur Qayamat tak aisay rotay rahen ge becharay
Dictator nai Islam ka Naam lekr sirf mulk ko loota hai , aur molvio nai unke dhokai me aker khud ka aur Islam ka dono ko nihayat nuqsan puhanchaya hai
@@nowie4007please don't argue with this mulla, he won't understand
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Allah/ God ke naam pe Gareebo ki maar li, Ameer logo ne Clergy ki madad se.
Religion is diesease for poor and boon for rich.
There is nodifference between political Islam and Zionism. MahmoodButt
Very well said