Model Railroading 101 All About Standards For Beginners MR101
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This month's episode of MR101 focuses on standards. Whether we're talking about NMRA standards, club standards, or your own personal standards for your layout, applying standards consistently can make the difference between having fun and being frustrated with the hobby.
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Dan's questions and caveats are so helpful, he always clears up the questions i didnt know i had yet.
Recently went to my LHS, (all scales represented). Simple shopping list, N scale NMRA standards gauge tool, (misplaced my old one), Micro Trains coupler adjusting tool, (that pliers-like looking thing), and a new "Bright Boy". Nada on all three. Oh, I bought some other stuff after browsing to be polite. Bought what I went there for from an online retailer. The mantra "Support your local hobby store." is getting harder all the time. I propose a new mantra, "Stock it, or suck it." I'll phone ahead next time to avoid an almost 60 mile wasted round trip. Sheesh! No standards tool! Like going into a paint store and no brushes!
I can remember years ago some maintance of way workers made a 1:1 scale gauge from sheet metal and wood and displayed them using it on one of the yard switches to check that it was proper. LOL
I put a 1 inch bolt through the center hole. The gauge never gets hidden or lost under other stuff. Makes a handle for testing laid track.
I am so glad that you have highlighted the importance of model railroad standards. As usual, the presentation, editing and graphics were excellent. I especially like the opening. One small criticism: there was too much discussion of issues with Dan’s coupler height gauge. Could have just noted the situation without belaboring it.
One dislike already? Probably from the unmentioned TH-camr that just jams the coupler height gauge together. lol. Great video. I knew about the coupler and wheel gauge checks but didn't know about the overall dimensions of the gauge being a template for overall passage area. That's awesome!
We have a fan out there.
Next time I will hit the dislike button first just so that turd doesn't get the satisfaction!
No but we ended up seeing it Sunday in a couple spots where it ran.
Thanks for the informative videos. It took me till my 60s to finally get my own trains but I am a complete novice. Your videos are a lot of help! Keep them coming, I can use all the advice I can get!
Excellent! Glad you found the channel. Comments like this are what keeps me going!
Yet again with this series, I presumed this would all be review.
And, yet again, learned a few things.
Great job guys!
That was the intention. So much to know, for sure!
Another beauty video ,have not seen a bad one yet, and I have many to catch up on.
This is one of the better model RR resources on youtube hands down.
Great job boys !!!!
Thanks, Paul! More great content to come, and much more variety as well. If you enjoy the content, please share it with your friends and family!
I am an experienced modeler and find these topics quite interesting. Gauges should have NO droop, especially coupler height gauges. Should explain the differences between standard shank couplers and top and bottom shank couplers. As for weight you don't have the wheels and trucks on the flatcar. If you use metal wheelsets the weight will increase.
Good shit. I'm never disappointed by your offerings, and John's rants are a bonus!
I will endeavor not to disappoint you in the future. :D
That's the spirit!
Just one comment , no trains are junk some people now are collecting the trains we grew up with that were HO. Not to say anything bad about you scale guys but there all different ways we all enjoy the greatest hobby on Earth. I enjoy watching you tube channels on scale to 027 as well as retro HO with classic horn hook couplers. So enjoy the hobby in the way you do. Andy
The hole in the middle !
N scale chapter : "the profile on the outside is basically all about clearances and incidentally the hole in the middle is in case you wanted to mount this on a stick" ...The answer is in the question.
The sides is the width of cars... the top is for the height of cars... in a tunnel... put the gauge on a long dowel and slide it through the tunnel... find the $?*$E@$!? protrusion of cardboard that flips my auto carrier consists...
Man you should lay your own railway...
No Iam not talking about model railway...
What about a real one?
I bet you'll do it better than others..
What a massive amount of knowledge and collection!!!
I can listen to you for ages..
Bare beginner. Awesome. I'm having a ball just learning. Thanks
Refer back to this episode often and you will be guaranteed to have a better time in the hobby. This stuff is the building blocks to good operation of your equipment and that's worth paying attention to!
Standards and tolerances do make a difference. I think a lot of people take all that for granted. You could have something be at the upper end of a tolerance and another thing at the lower end and they might not work very well.
Looks like not many are old enough to remember the days of putting two locomotives on the track and they would operate in opposite directions. As a kid, I tried doubleheading my Tyco Silver Streak with Tyco Midnight Special and that is what happened :)
In addition to the overall gauge measuring clearance, the 90-degree notch on one side is the height of loading docks. The angle on the opposite side is clearance for nearby obstructions like signal bridge footers or ground-throw switch actuators. Overall, a good video which explains the use of the NMRA gauge. Oh, why the hole in the middle? Put a bolt through and two nuts, one on each side of the gauge, and the gauge will not lay flat and will be easier to pick-up.
Why put your standards gauge on a stick? Easy! It's to allow you to reach into a tunnel, or under a bridge or where every your fat human hands would be in the way, but you still need to check vertical or lateral clearance. Thanks for the show.
David
Also handy for beating people or going to protests.
I use a telescopic stick magnet for my go-no go gauge. It can also be used for poking people in the eyes while keeping a safe distance at protests.👀
I have never been so early to a TH-cam video. Great one as usual!
Thanks - glad you got to it!
I will give this video a 10 out of 10 good work. keep up the awesome work!!!!!
Dang Right! Those of us in Large Scale just let it all hang out! Nice Video
Fixed the problem,thanks for your help
Great video Dan and John, I learned a lot about standards
Excellent! So did we!
Loved the video. Learned alot more! I am learning alot more now
this explains a lot. thanks for the info.
You are most welcome.
Great video!
John: If it’s tight one way or the other. It can only be tight one way. The other way is loose.
I love this channel
The channel loves you too!
As a total novice I found the video pretty useful for understanding how to get smoother operations out of my trains. One note, I would have liked to seen in this (or in the box car build video - trucks & couple segment) would be a little more detail on using the coupler gauge.
Example: using the gauge for "deck height" before adding the coupler box was mention, but never shown. The same is true for "shimming" the coupler box and or coupler arm. Thanks.
Understood - but remember the series is "101" as in introduction to basics.
tsgmultimedia understand. Again , very helpful video 👍👍
tsgmultimedia I did have one other question on the Track/Wheel Gauge.
I run On30 engines from little Porters to up to bigger Moguls (I.e. Hawthorne/Bachmann - Xmas trains) on HO track, but some of the cars seem closer to O scale (height & width). Any suggestions on which standards gauge or gauges I should use? As on single one seems to cover this, seeing your video makes me think the right gauges would help me a lot.
Thanks again 👍
Here's all the stuff I could have used as a kid.
Great Presentation guys this helped me better understand the standards gauges .....Cheers-Rich.....
Excellent - glad you got to watch!
Heavy up front, light in back! I pull doubles and triples semi trailers and thats the rule!
Very important, thank you....
It really is, yet so many people don't get it.
I think you should also the template with loco and bogies, and I think the three point on HO template also applies for three rail with middle rail system.
Baaaah... Having fun is relative. There's nothing more fun than the occasional uncoupled runaway section of cars resulting in mass destruction and carnage! It's far more exciting that way and exciting is fun.
I guess it's a matter of perspective! :))
Oh, come on... you can't tell me that train-car-demolition-derby doesn't put a smile on your face, even just a little?
Depends on the train, I guess!
Yeah, I suppose if your that attached to material things... (ha, ha). It would actually be a lot of fun to build trains specifically for crashing into things, head-on's and the like. Make parts fly off, etc. The goal would be to simulate the most realistic train crashes for video... or something. That would be a lot of fun! What do you think?
Only if you could also have explosions.
Gauge on a stick? No reason if stick parallels gauge. But, if attached perpendicular to the gauge, like a garden rake, it allows for finished tunnel clearances to be checked without running an arm through it and potentially damaging scenery or structural work
Enjoyed the video. Thanks for the information. However, I am finding almost impossible to find anyone in the UK that sells them. Hattons didn't seems to know about them. . .uh ! Does anyone know where you can get one from in the UK. (Not prepared to spend silly money on import postage). Tried e-mailing some UK dealers but getting nowhere !!!!
Thanks,very helpfull
Were you able to solve your problem?
So, if the track is out of gauge, how do you fix it? In the example you showed, the rail wasn't secured very well to the ties. How do you fix that?
John, what you were saying about the coupler on the gauge dropping down slightly... It's been like in all of the reviews both in HO and the N Scale. Dan needs to some how straighten back so they don't droop
The centerline extends out from the coupler box and extends to the adjacent coupler box.
WOW! That opening! I dropped my phone
That's good... right?
MTH doesn't seem to follow the standard wiring theme. Thanks guys super job
MTH is not the best manufacturer either, so that's not terribly surprising :))
Couplers in general would make a good video.
Not sure there's enough to talk about.
What, if any, penalties do manufacturers incur by not adhering to a NMRA standard (Large scale?)? Also, can we assume that any item that falls within a guage range will still work with each other? Such as 16.50 to 17.07mm track will work together at the extremes and truck wheels within that range will work with any guage track within that range? (A truck at 17.07mm will work with a track at 16.50mm)? If they would not work, why then allow too large a range?
Good question. Let us know if you figure out the answer!
If a product is not in compliance, they cannot claim it is NMRA approved. It is also a marketing thing that if a product gains official approval, it is a bonus feature to advertise as such......
I laugh whenever I see people criticizing the fact that you guys are so strict about coupler height. More than likely they have not experienced first hand what happens when the coupler height is off. One member at my model railroad club had a low coupler on one of his locomotives and the entire 50 car train he was running became detached at the top of a hill because of this. Needless to say there was a huge derailment when the train came rolling down the grade and hit a sharp turn. At least half of the cars wound up on the floor and were severely damaged (some wound up in the trash can by the end of the night). Hopefully this "first hand account" is enough to convince some of these people to change their opinions on this subject. Great video as always!
Thanks, and yes, you are probably right about that. Yet, they persist. It happens about once or twice a month now. :))
So now that we have established that Dan's height gauge is drooping... Can he be made to redo ALL of his loco reviews, where products were disqualified from EPIC model status, based on coupler height? :P
I can think of a few that will be granted one additional spike if that is the case :p
Except the centerline extends from the shank of the gauge to the coupler box of the model. oops!
Were do you get that gauge?
Try searching online for "NMRA Standards Gauge" and let us know what you find!
First comment
First response?
Well...... You BOTH get a cookie!! 😜😜
the other guy has droopy eyes
One has droopy eyes, one has no personality. You can't win with these guys.
Got really tired of the coupler rant...
There's a little slider on the bottom of the player that lets you fast forward or rewind.
@@tsgmultimedia Pretty sure having to do that just exaserbates the mood.